Preview: Kings at Sixers, THE RETURN OF KEVIN MARTIN
THE OPPONENT
The Sixers, who the Kings faced in Sacramento two weeks ago, are an average offensive club and a devastatingly bad defensive club ... even worse than the Kings! (No small feat.) This is a big change, considering the team was good defensively last season. Eddie Jordan, eh?
Philadelphia has won six of 10, but still sits 14 games under .500.
LAST TIME
Elton Brand and Marreese Speights trounced the Kings interior late, giving the Sixers a walk-away victory.
KEY BATTLE
The backcourt battle. The size problems this Sacramento backcourt could cause will be on full display, with Iverson and Louis Williams starting for Philadelphia. The Kings starters have a combined 10 inches on their counterparts. That's a big deal on offense -- it's not as if you'd think A.I. and Lou could guard Evans or Martin anyways -- but potentially also on the other end. Both Sixers have a quickness advantage, and we know penetration is devastating to the Kings defense. But in terms of challenging shots, the Kings could mitigate the overall effectiveness of the Sixers backcourt. Assuming the Kings get beat up again inside, a big points margin from the guard positions could prove vital.
BOLD PROCLAMATION
Kevin Martin will score at least 20. So will Tyreke Evans.
NUMERIC PREDICTION
Kings by 14.
DETAILS
The game will begin at 4PM Pacific on Comcast SportsNet and KHTK 1140 AM. Two game threads (4 and 5:15), a post-gamer (6:45) and a recap (tomorrow morning).
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Bold proclamation emboldened:
The Kevin-Tyreke pair will put up sixty.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
by iashwash on Jan 15, 2010 11:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
We will without a doubt in my mind win this game and come up with at least 2 wins on the road, maybe 3 if Martin explodes on offense (which he will).
by MexicanSKFan2Death on Jan 15, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not a good sign.
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by iashwash on Jan 15, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, putting "explode" and "Martin" into the same sentence is a terrible idea.
by russak on Jan 15, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok let me rephrase that
“maybe if Martin excells on offense (which he will).”
by MexicanSKFan2Death on Jan 15, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One minor thing
Wasn’t Martin’s wrist broken on a play involving AI when he was with Memphis? No blame to Iverson, of course, things like this happen. But I hope he stays the hell away from Kevin tonight.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jan 15, 2010 11:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying Iverson is a dirty player?
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by iashwash on Jan 15, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, I love Iverson.
Don’t want him on my team at this point, but I still like watching him play.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jan 15, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...I heard
he never takes showers before games
by markdog333 on Jan 15, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You could say
He doesn’t practice good hygiene.
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by iashwash on Jan 15, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not the real game
"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan
Go Kings!
by Panzerfaust on Jan 15, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
over/under on K-Mart's minutes tonight:
24
Purveyor of Bull Plop
by SayWhat? on Jan 15, 2010 11:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
i think it's close late
(under 10 points) and he plays closer to thirty
Section214 is my hero. Good shakes!
by debrixtha1 on Jan 15, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Westphal
said on Sportsline yesterday he sees Martin playing 15-20 minutes.
58-14 Beats 44-6!!
by what_the_crap on Jan 15, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean
Wednesday
58-14 Beats 44-6!!
by what_the_crap on Jan 15, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday was Wednesday. Yesterday.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jan 15, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Today
is Friday
58-14 Beats 44-6!!
by what_the_crap on Jan 15, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly,
so yesterday, yesterday was Wednesday
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by vfettke on Jan 15, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yesterday squared?
58-14 Beats 44-6!!
by what_the_crap on Jan 15, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he also said
he doesn’t really know Martin yet. I think he’ll be surprised that Martin is saying “I’m good let me keep playing”. And if he has his typical “comeback game” performance PW will say “play on young fella, play on”
Section214 is my hero. Good shakes!
by debrixtha1 on Jan 15, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too much firepower
Lots of points because both backcourts create problems for the other but the Kings overwhelm them early, it tightens up, we overwhelm them at the end.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 11:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I never thought I'd be so happy to see another man take off his suit
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by vfettke on Jan 15, 2010 11:32 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
LOL
It’s OK, from all accounts manlove and Kevin isn’t new around here…
by MustangMBS on Jan 15, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JT returns to Philly
And, the Kings have more then cheese steak sandwiches on their mind. Still leaving a bad taste in their mouths is the holidays lose to the 76ers at Arco. Losing 116-106 in the last game of 2009 was never in the plans; especially after the win over Denver where the gang from StR stoked up the crowd to help the Kings fight back to win. So this is payback time and the dish will be served on the basketball court and not in the food court. Tonight Tyreke & Kevin will be your servers. You might not remember them because they both were off the last time we meet, but you will remember them after tonight.
Not only were Reke & Martin missing but also Beno was barely around last game hitting 3-11 for 9pts and 2 assists. Thankfully, Omri & Donte were able to contribute a combined 42pts and 15 rebounds to keep us in the game. But, with so much firepower off the bench starting, our bench wasn’t able to provide the necessary scoring and was outscored by the eventual 10pt margin of victory.
That’s not to say that Philly wasn’t good. They were remarkably good, shooting 52.5% from the field and 53.2% from 3pt range. For the month of January, they’re 3-3 and in 2 of their 3 wins they shot over 50%, and are averaging 47.5% from the field and nearly 40% from 3pt range, so don’t think the game in Sac was a fluke.
And, as I said, it was the reserves that beat us last game. Rodney Carney in particular who had 14pts on 4-5 from 3pt range. So, when the reserves are on the court we need to defend the 3, but there isn’t much concern about the starters since none of Philly’s starters are really good 3pt shooters. AI is the only one shooting over 33% from 3’s and he’s only 5-10 unfortunately he went 2-2 against us.
In spite of the 76ers 12-26 record and being 5-13 at home, they have stepped up their game. Since the addition of AI, they are 5-5 over the last 10 games, and they have had their best success against Pacific conference teams. They team rebound and don’t just rely on Dalembert who averages 9 boards. Brand and Iguodala average almost 7 rpg, and Young and Speights average 5 rpg. As good as they can be offensively the 76ers are only average defensively. They’re 4th in steals and 7th in blocks, and are a decent defensive rebounding team.
The Kings on the other hand have been slowly dropping out of the top 10 in offensive categories like PPG, FG% & 3P%. But, most of that can be attributed to Tyreke’s injury and the strength of our schedule over the last 2 ½ weeks. But with the return of Tyreke, Martin & Donte, we can expect the Kings to move back into the top 10 in scoring. Our rebounding has also dropped us into 10th place, and I can’t blame that on the injuries. And, I don’t believe that the addition of Hilton, will improve that on this road trip, but hopefully JT & Spencer will.
Martin may start, but probably gets a short stint in his 1st game back. AI isn’t as quick as he used to be, and his arthritis should make it easy for all of our guards to stay with him. I’d like to see the Kings play AI & Williams tight, since both are excellent shooters, and I don’t expect either to get past their man. In any shoot out contest, the Kings win with Martin, Beno, & Tyreke, but there’s no reason to give Philly’s guards open shots.
JT is playing at home in front of family and friends, Slump Over I hope. Casspi outscored and out rebounded Iguodala in the last game, and Donte outplayed Young. JT had 15/11 to Dalemberts’ 2/7, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see a frontcourt of Thompson, Greene & Casspi again.
Dalembert is 2nd in the league in blocks, but he’s also 6th among centers in fouls. So, I’d really like our bigs to go at him early, and try to get him in foul trouble. Not that it would be a key to a victory, it’s just that I’d like to see our bigs go on the offensive once and a while.
Keys: Don’t double down low, and stay with your man. Philly will hit every shot if you leave them open. And, the 76ers bigs aren’t going to hurt us much in the paint.
Work the offense, and don’t take quick 3’s. They are not shooting a lot of 3’s, so we’re better off with high percentage 2’s. Dalembert is a shot blocker but Tyreke should be able to get to the basket and cause havoc.
Control the pace of the game and don’t turn the ball over. We should win the offensive boards, and limiting turnovers, limits Philly’s possessions. The more possessions you give them, the more likely their shooters’ will get hot. Plus Philly shoots it’s best in the 1st 15 seconds of the shot clock, so an up & down the court game plays right into their strength.
Our starters match up well against theirs, and our bench is far better with everyone but Cisco back, so I see the Kings getting out to an early half time lead, and finishing strong. I like the Kings by 11, 110-99, and a winning record on this road trip. Go Kings.
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by HighTops on Jan 15, 2010 11:34 AM PST reply actions 19 recs
Nice analysis!
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jan 15, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Love me some HT
Rec’d.
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by section214 on Jan 15, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm digging you man
No, not that way.
Rec’d.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
by otis29 on Jan 15, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I told you at the game, I like what you're doing here, HT
Your detailed analyses are worthy of a separate post, but piggy-backing them on Ziller’s previews puts all the commentary in one place. Very effective.
Excellent analysis too, BTW.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Green light, Go!
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by SavageBeast on Jan 15, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pour some sugar on me
OK, forget I said that.
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great analysis as usual
Curious, how do you know about the ‘first 15 seconds of the shot clock’ stat?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its available on 82games.com
that I know of.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
by ForThree on Jan 15, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks High Tops
STR lucky to have you posting, I will be sitting in section 102 pulling for JT to get out of the slump
by kman949 on Jan 15, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you really wanna pull him out of the slump?
He’s just a fat Philly chick away…
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
by Balky Needs on Jan 15, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wonderful pre-game, as usual thanks HT, rec'd
I still see Philly as a tough match up
- their interior game can be effective and against this Kings team, particularly so
- the other AI had an off game, expect him to show more tonight (Igoudala)
-this is a road game. The Kings have won only 3 thus far. All road games are struggles for this young squad
I expect some confusion with the addition of another star on the court – Tyreke may have some confusion as to whether to adapt to him or the other way around. If that happens –
I say leave Tyreke in and take Hilton Armstrong out!
Bold Prediction: Kevin Martin will have a TS% of > 70%, the game will be close PW will decide to put KMart back in and he will match his point total to his jersey #. Hilt Armstrong at one point in the game will look at Jon Brockman and just start shaking his head.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
let me add:
the ESPN Accuscore predicts Sixers 104 Kings 102.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks to everyone, I'm happy to do it as long as you enjoy the analysis
No doubt about it bte, they are dangerous, and more so since AI came on board. But, even with their current success, their inside scoring isn’t very impressive. In the last 6 games against such interior powerhouses like NY, NO, DET, TOR, WAS, & DEN, the 76ers are outscored in the paint 49-37. So, I’m not to worried about Dalembert going off for 30 like Howard.
If Philly is going to hurt us, it’s with their outside shooting and fast break points. lttg asked above about their scoring early in the possession. The 76ers have outscoring opponents in January, 23-12 in fastbreak points. And, they take 42% of their FGA’s in the first 10 seconds of the possession shooting 54% and scoring 37pts a game . So, 23 or the 37 pts are off the fast break, and the other 14 are most likely open jumpers in transition.
By comparison, over the last 6 games the Kings outscored opponent in the paint by 5 and get outscored on the fast break by 4. But the Kings were playing against ORL, DAL, LAL, PHO, DEN & GS, some teams that make a living off Fast Break Pts and interior offense.
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by HighTops on Jan 15, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh -
We’re still talking about the game tonight? :)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking more Elton Brand and if he is playing, Speights
for their interior.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Their points are part of the 37pt interior average
Brand averages 68% jumpers and only 4.5 pts come from in close. Now, Speights is more of an inside scorer with 45% of his shots being near the basket, but he’s really not a hugh offensive threat and only had 8 pts in the last game. But, if there was one player to worry about, my money would be on Speights.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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by HighTops on Jan 15, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NO
Were talkin bout practice
sorry, i’m done now
saw this coming...
by anthonysam on Jan 15, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RECs-N-EFFECT
Oh yeah baby.
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
by Balky Needs on Jan 15, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin plays 20
but still scores 20. Tyreke scores 20 with 6 reb & 7 ast (2 being to KM)
by allbenji's on Jan 15, 2010 11:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Return of the King
Rejoice!
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by Aykis16 on Jan 15, 2010 12:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Elessar Telcontar
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wielding Anduril, Flame of the West!
The Wrist that was once broken has been forged anew!
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by Aykis16 on Jan 15, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
BRILLIANT!
IOU for you as well.
by nobodyinparticular on Jan 15, 2010 12:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Seek for the wrist that was broken;
In Arcorena it dwells;
There shall councils be taken;
Stronger than Hell-A spells.
There shall be shown a token
That doom is near at hand,
For Zenmaster’s Bane shall waken,
And the K-Mart forth shall stand
OK, kind of fizzled at the end there.
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
For obscure JRR Tolkein reference. Except I have to give you an IOU. I don’t know how to rec on my iPhone.
by nobodyinparticular on Jan 15, 2010 12:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you can.
It also doesn’t seem to auto-update in game threads, which sucks.
by lead_pipe on Jan 15, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nerd
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And yes
I’ve read them all around 15 times in the last 30 years.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
15 and 30
Sounds about right.
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All right, look, there's only one "Return," okay? And it ain't "of the King," it's "of the Jedi!"
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by vfettke on Jan 15, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
so are we calling Speed
a Jedi now? sounds good to me….
Section214 is my hero. Good shakes!
by debrixtha1 on Jan 15, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hobbits > Ewoks
and Jar-Jar ate 50% of the Star Wars “cool factor”
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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Those fuckin' hobbit movies were boring as hell. All it was, was a bunch of people walking, three movies of people walking to a fucking volcano.
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by vfettke on Jan 15, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
F the movies
They’re a comic book representation. The books are absolutely untouchable. And don’t try to dis the books because if you do, your house will be surrounded by a pitchfork-wielding mob before you can say Gollum.
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
I was kidding. It’s a Clerks 2 quote. The movies were fantastic. Never read the books though.
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by vfettke on Jan 15, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I suggest you YouTube "Clerks 2 Lord of the Rings"
the whole scene is hilarious
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by vfettke on Jan 15, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, it's good stuff.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It really is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRNUIxpTHvA
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by Aykis16 on Jan 15, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty funny
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I liked both the movies and the books.
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by Aykis16 on Jan 15, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The movies were good
Because they gave us some pretty cool imagery. But for us purists, there were, shall we say, problems.
Also, you just can’t condense 1000 pages of Tolkien into 9 hours of cinema not matter how good you are.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you've never seen the extended cuts, I recommend them.
They add around 45 minutes to each movie and none of it is filler. Still no Tom Bombadil or the battle for the Shire, but those were probably borderline unfilmable anyways.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i was always
impressed that they did the movies as accurately as they did.
But i did miss Ol’ Tom…..
Section214 is my hero. Good shakes!
by debrixtha1 on Jan 15, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see
how you can complain about the movies too much if you liked the books. There were a couple of just inexplicable decisions they made regarding story with the movies that left you just scratching your head as to why (especially in the 2nd one), but by and large, the movies were great.
I have read the books uncounted times, Simarillion, etc, I’m a huge fan, and though a couple of things bugged me a little, I can’t imagine why anyone would need to make LotR movies after these. Which is about as big a compliment as I can give them.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
by ForThree on Jan 15, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On balance I give the movies good marks
But there were several WTF moments that were just totally unnecessary.
Did you ever read Unfinished Tales or The Children of Hurin? Amazing stuff for the purist.
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A long, long time ago
Dune and the Erickson Malazan series have filled up my:
“really complicated series I have to read over and over again to figure out”
itch for a while now. I probably should get back to reading Tolkien’s supporting stories soon.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
by ForThree on Jan 15, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't recommend "The Book of Lost Tales" series
There not really stories so much as earlier versions of the ones you’ve read, esp. Silmarillion. It’s more an evolution of Tolkien’s thought process rather than separate, original stories.
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have each of them
And even I missed on Tom Bombadil. He was a major part of the first book.
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by Aykis16 on Jan 15, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They skipped four chapters in two seconds
From the crossing of the Brandywine to banging on the door at Bree. Four freakin’ chapters. And the Council of Elrond (the longest chapter in the trilogy) was portrayed as a two minute barroom scene—-ridiculous. And then there’s the geriatric fight scene that was randomly added. And what about Aragon’s strange death and resurrection mid-trilogy? What the eff was that?
I could go on, of course.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Still
They managed to actually make the movies, something that was thought impossible. And even though they weren’t perfect, they’re still really good. And for the purists like yourself, its not like the book still isn’t there. Some things work better in books than they do on film.
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by Aykis16 on Jan 15, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
It was definitely a cinematic achievement, no doubt. I just wish P-Jax would have consulted with me on a couple of points, that’s all. A few relatively minor tweaks and it would have been much truer.
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Peter Jackson really wanted to blow me away with those "Rings" movies, he would have ended the third one on the logical closure point, not the 25 endings that followed.
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by vfettke on Jan 15, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Logical closure point:
That scene where Gandalf and everyone is watching that HAWT hobbit on hobbit on hobbit on hobbit action. You know the one. (Skip to 1:20 or so.)
"El once, chico. Eleven."
by Juan Primo on Jan 15, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't care for the movies much
nice imagery but they missed on so much of the Depth of the history of the story and the world which made it so believable. Nonsense romantic scenes with Aragorn were chosen over what I thought were key story points. They inexplicably changed a few scenes completely in ways which made no sense to me, though I can’t remember at the moment which ones.
I could go on but I’d have to watch them again which i probably won’t do.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sam was a big miss IMO.
That special relationship wasn’t delivered convincingly at all.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean where Sam bricks in Frodo's mouth
god I love Kevin Smith movies
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by vfettke on Jan 15, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SModcasts>>>>>>>his movies.
And I think I’m the only person on this planet who liked Animated Clerks. That show was hilarious.
"El once, chico. Eleven."
by Juan Primo on Jan 15, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I liked those
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Animated Clerks was awesome
definitely not mean for ABC though
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by vfettke on Jan 15, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With
Although I can remember several such scenes
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
Although I put the Jar-Jar factor closer to 90%.
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Jar Jar wasn't that bad
It’s just that 30 year old fanboys of the original movies don’t realize that the Star Wars saga has always been kids’ movies.
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by vfettke on Jan 15, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He's right.
And the fanboys really need to get out of their mom’s basements.
by Carl on Jan 15, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Episode 1 was just a mess, and Jar-Jar was pretty bad.
A funny analysis of Episode 1 as a movie.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Episode 1 was a kids movie!
Because of the original trilogy and the fanatacism that followed it the basic premise of the prequels was already known. There were books, tv shows, games, toys, etc that established the Star Wars universe. So when Lucas wrote the prequels as kids movies, just like he did with the originals, people were pissed. It didn’t follow their pre-conceived notions of what the movies were supposed to be; notions that were based on memories of their childhood. Go watch the original Star Wars movies now. They were written for fucking children. Magic? Talking robots? Cool space battles? Sword fighting? Cutsie fucking muppets?! Kids movies!
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by vfettke on Jan 15, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't consider myself a fanboy.
That said, as someone who watches movies sometimes, I like the original series and did not like the more recent three.
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by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When did you see the originals?
and when did you see the new ones?
I saw the originals when I was a little kid and the prequels when I was quite a bit older. There’s a big difference in people’s perception of movies as they age. I still love the originals because there’s a certain sense of nostalgia there, not necessarily because they’re great movies. I enjoyed the prequels less because at the time I saw them it was more obvious that they were kids’ movies
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by vfettke on Jan 15, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have a great point
and I have the same age/experience as you.
But I can watch Star Wars and Empire now and still find at least one or two grown up themes and dialogue, though you may have to hunt for it.
The other four are special effects wrapped around selling toys.
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by ForThree on Jan 15, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hm.
I guess I probably saw them first when I was in elementary school at some point? Young definitely. Still, there are lots of kids movies which adults can still enjoy.
Pixar does this all the time. Hell, even the old muppet movies are great as an adult. I don’t think anyone can argue that the more recent Star Wars trilogy has little to offer adults in either story or acting.
Episode 1 was the first movie I saw Natalie Portman in. I remember watched Garden State years later and being surprised that she’s actually a very good actress.
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by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The prequels have certain adult themes as well
you just don’t relate to them as much because you see the new ones as crappy kids movies, while the originals still hold a special place in your heart.
Pixar movies are kids movies, but they purposely insert adult jokes into them so that adults find humor. It doesn’t change the fact that they are kids movies, though.
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by vfettke on Jan 15, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not arguing that the original trilogy was intended for kids.
I’m saying that, watching it now, there are quite a few moments of dialogue and story that I enjoy as an adult, just as I enjoy moments from the Pixar movies.
I did not find the same to be true of the new trilogy (although whatever the third one was called was significantly better than the first two).
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by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't enjoy the new ones as much either
but I attribute that to the fact that the originals will always be special to me. I’ll never not like them. For example, I was young when Pauly Shore was really famous. I loved his movies. I recognize now that they are garbage, but still love watching them.
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by vfettke on Jan 15, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I guess I don't find the same to be true for myself.
I don’t really get nostalgic for movies.
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by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The original Star Wars movie was a brilliant piece of cinema and storytelling
After that, meh. And the last three were just shitty. There was no compelling story and the acting was abysmal. It was all special effects and no substance.
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No!
It was brilliant cinema for its time, and the storytelling was great for children!
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by vfettke on Jan 15, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And don't get me wrong, I still love Star Wars
but they are children’s movies
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by vfettke on Jan 15, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The original movies had logical and traditional story arcs
A New Hope:
Luke: farm boy dreams of going off to fight for fortune and glory.
Han: selfish rogue finds love and a cause
Try it for Episode 1. It was a mess.
As a trilogy it’s much better. You get the full Anakin/Darth arc, but Episode 1 has trouble standing alone.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not arguing that the original Star Wars movie was the pinnacle of cinematic sophistication
It’s pretty campy in places with a fair amount of meh acting. But it was a very pure storyline with minimal wasted dialogue, and it was of course totally groundbreaking. Even Joseph Campbell raved about the original story. Episodes 1 through 3 were just crap. I can’t think of a single good thing to say about them.
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed on 1-3
though the race was fun of course.
That f-ing whiner they got to play Skywalker killed everything. This emotionally wrecked erratic guy was ready to be a Jedi and everyone agreed? Crap.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Quotas were down across the board.
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by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have watched the original movies
actually about a month ago. They still hold up as movies. They appealed to children and adults. The prequel trilogy: Episode 1 was just a mess. 2 and 3 were much better though.
The above link is long, but worth a watch. Episode 1 had many movie making problems, having nothing to do with fanboyness.
As a fan boy, Jar Jar was annoying, and the cellular explanation of the force was blasphemous, but Jar Jar in the last two movies(not a main character) was fine.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still really like the original
Although I admit to nostalgia being a factor. The next two: ehh!
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Empire rocked I thought
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Han's annoying fixation on Leia
And C3PO’s constant whining bug the hell out of me. Other than that though…
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was terrible
the first two movies, they had movies and the merchadising plan eveolved from it.
After Empire, it seemed they wrote a merchandising plan and then bothered to make movies around it.
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by ForThree on Jan 15, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hadn't realized the nerd quotient around here was so high
but if you like quality fantasy writing, check out the Malazan series by Steven Erickson, its tremendous.
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by ForThree on Jan 15, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SavageBeast
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
by iashwash on Jan 15, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
read Gardens of the Moon about a month ago
have Deadhouse Gates on my nightstand.
I am big fan of George RR Martin and his Song of Fire and Ice Trilogy (plus his added fourth book).
And as mentioned previously, great respect for the Enders Series by Orson Scott Card.
Lastly, Richard A. Heinlein for the 60s view of SciFi.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The original Ender books was fantastic
The rest I just thought were OK. Heinlein was amazing, sex, politics and sci-fi.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good call on Ender's Game.
One of the best science fiction works of all time. Card can tell an incredible story, though I wouldn’t consider him a great writer.
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by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see being just ok with many of the other Ender books though I thoroughly enjoyed so many of them
but Speaker of the Dead is one of the best follow up books ever (the book after Ender’s Game)
by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoyed it quite a bit
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I’ve liked them all. Really liked Ender’s Shadow. Amazing that I could be entertained by the same story but from another character’s pov.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Off of Sc-fi
I’ve been reading the Dresden Files books and enjoying them much more than I thought I would
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Look interesting
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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not hokey at all
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really a lover of Mysteries or Fantasy
More of a Sci-Fi and American lit guy, but I like that idea. Have a lot of books in cue, but I think I might add one of those. Thanks for the rec.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sci-fi and History for me
Try the jack McDevitt stuff. Some very good ones in there.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He and Brin's Upflift War stuff
for pretty pure Sci-Fi. Scalzi is too I suppose though he has a problem creating climax (don’t say it!) moments. Still I just read Android Dreams and enjoyed it a lot.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you know your Shakespeare at all
I highly recommend Christopher Moore’s take on King Lear, Fool. Filthy and hysterical.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Moore is a smart, crazy, funny guy
If you like novels.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
heh, I read Lamb
smacks of cynism. Silly but fun read.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, very funny
and cynical I guess.
He’s laughing at some things that could use some laughing at though.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cool
I have Engines of God – by McDevitt on my to read list(excel spreadsheet, lol) which is almost 600 books long! I’ll move it’s priority up. Have Scalzi’s Old Man’s War on the list too.
Brin is one of my favorites.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you read the Uplift War books by David Brin?
I like them a lot. I’ve read the John Scalzi stuff lately and found them enjoyable as well.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YES!
Wow, I haven’t thought about those in forever. Fantastic!
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by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just recently re-read Uplift War
very good book.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But it will always be the first Dune Book
at the top for me just barely over Stranger and few of the other Heinlein books. Hmmm what else.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The last one was just as just about as good though
by MustangMBS on Jan 15, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I got tired of being somewhat dissappointed.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The middle novels kinda sucked
But it really took off in the last few
by MustangMBS on Jan 15, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you referring to Chapterhouse Dune?
I didn’t like that one. Hugely long and no resolution at all.
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually yeah..
I like the fact that Duncan was who he ended up being… The whole deal. I can see your point though.
The writing was so much better though and it made the story go better than the middle, but then they sucked so it may be harder to compare.
by MustangMBS on Jan 15, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The two right before that were surprisingly good, I thought
Especially after Children of Dune, which I found to be a total yawner.
I don’t know, if I read them again I might feel different. It’s been a while.
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Dune
probably my most read book
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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the other Dune books made me want to put sand in my eyes
by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
right
and eat the worm
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think God Emperer
was my favorite Dune book.
The books written by his kid are sort of blasphemous, but I still read them anyway.
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by ForThree on Jan 15, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've read some of those
they are a bit slow at times, but I like the world so much they’re still interesting.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
more than kind of slow to me
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya
I’ve likely stopped reading them. But I made it through a couple of the trilogies.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In the end Duncan becomes...
Wait, should I tell you? Oh hell why not. He is a composite of all the previous Duncan Gholas and remembers everything for thousands of years back…
by MustangMBS on Jan 15, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You ruined it!
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking about the others
written by his kid. I read all the originals multiple times and liked them all very much. Sorry, I was unclear.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Phillip K Dick books
Which every other Sci-fi movie in the last 20 years have been based on are interesting.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Once you pick up a Dick, you can't put it down!"
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jan 15, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Autorec'd
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And flagged too
Can I do both?
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jokes aside, the list of sci-fi movies
based on his work is amazing.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He ain't got nothing on HG Wells
I can’t think of any other SF author who has had more movies made from his works.
by hozr on Jan 15, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I haven't counted but its close
Blade Runner, Screamers, Total Recall, Confession d’un Bario, Imposter, Minority Report, Paycheck, A Scanner Darkly, Next and I think there were a few rip-offs not on the list that they changed enough not to give him credit.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you go by sheer volume it's not even close
Looking at IMDB, the filmography for HG Wells has 83 entries while the filmography for DIck only has 20.
Even if you eliminate all the redundancies I still think Wells has DIck beat but not by nearly as much.
by hozr on Jan 15, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've enjoyed
The Simon R Green Nightside series, Most of the Jack McDevitt (sci-fi) books and most of the Neil Gaiman (he’s an interesting guy)books as well.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yay
for people bringing up author’s I haven’t read that they liked.
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by ForThree on Jan 15, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A few more.
Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson.
A Deepness in the Sky and A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge.
Here’s a quote from Snow Crash: “Until a man is twenty-five, he still thinks, every so often, that under the right circumstances he could be the baddest motherfucker in the world. If I moved to a martial-arts monastery in China and studied real hard for ten years. If my family was wiped out by Colombian drug dealers and I swore myself to revenge. If I got a fatal disease, had one year to live, and devoted it to wiping out street crime. If I just dropped out and devoted my life to being bad.” – Hiro Protagonist
And if you like well crafted world building, Vinge is amazing.
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by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and if you like dark fiction.
Check out the His Dark Materials series by Philip Pullman. It begins with The Golden Compass (which was, inexplicably, repurposed as a children’s film). However, if you’re the sort of person who is easily offended from a faith / religious standpoint, you probably will not enjoy these. Certainly not their conclusion.
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by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rate those as fairly good
And I’m easily unimpressed.
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pullman writes juvy fiction
so it’s not surprising that the film was targeted at the same audience.
by hozr on Jan 15, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that it's been marketed this way.
And maybe that was indeed Pullman’s target audience. But having read them? They’re awfully dark for the YA genre. And the religious / atheist themes and conflict would, I think, prove very complex for many younger readers.
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by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uplift are great
Earth by Brin as well.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I also really liked the combo of authors who wrote
Lucifer’s hammer, Footfall, Mote in God’s Eye, Hmmm, Brin and – ?
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right Niven and Pournelle
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by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who both wrote some very god books on their own
and others that were just – OK.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bear and ...another B?
They did a Foundation trilogy, I know
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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I highly recommend
Glen Cook’s Black Company.
All his other stuff sucks except Swordbearer, but he is more Fantasy than SF
by MustangMBS on Jan 15, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too Much crappy fantasy pretending to be sci-fi
but I havn’t read those, kind of off fantasy these days.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tolkien is a bad place to start
Because everything else is a disappointment, IMO
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His commitment to world-building was definitely best in show.
I wouldn’t consider his the greatest story or the finest writing, but he created so many firsts and is the orignator of so many staples of the genre, that his importantance and impact are undeniable.
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by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His mastery of language is unmatched
I personally have not encountered any other stories in the genre that I liked nearly as much, nor would I rate any fantasy writers as being in his league. If I have any criticism at all, it is that his late Middle English war saga style was a little over the top at times, but his imagination and richness of ideas were and are amazing.
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Glen Cook
writes fantasy from the perspective of grunt soldiers (at least to start)
The first book, Black Company, is tremendous, so many great characters, scenes, dialogue.
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by ForThree on Jan 15, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
The next few are slow, but the later trilogies rock. It is gritty and harsh at times. Not the syrupy stuff that is so abstract.
by MustangMBS on Jan 15, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bad dudes abound
Raven was my favorite character for a long time. Did you read all the way through?
by MustangMBS on Jan 15, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, more than once for most of them.
Croaker’s wit and sarcasm is amazing. Goblin and One-Eye…all the great dialogue.
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by ForThree on Jan 15, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
... another B?
I think that would be Gregory Benford. Yet another author who has written a bunch of good books of his own.
by hozr on Jan 15, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep that's him
Thanks. Kept wanting to say Ben Bova, but knew it wasn’t him.
Hasn’t been mentioned yet, but the whole 18+ novel Robot-Empire-Foundation saga by Azimov is interesting as well.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also Kevin Anderson
who co-wrote the Dune follow ons with Herbert’s son also wrote a pretty decent space opera called “The Saga of the Seven Sons.”
by hozr on Jan 15, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ender's Game was awesome
The sequel was interesting. But the next one lost me completely.
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by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The later novels got better
But nothing competes with Ender’s game. That was amazing.
by MustangMBS on Jan 15, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you expect the nerd quotient
To be anything other than sky high around here? Just askin’?
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
good question
I hadn’t thought about it I guess.
Given the stigma that at least used to be applied to “gamers” or fantasy novels, I don’t expect so many to admit it I guess.
:)
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
by ForThree on Jan 15, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's the internets.
STR nights aside, our shame remains safely anonymous for the most part.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only for those that attend.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Jan 15, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nerdy sports geek
is pretty much an oxymoron for the most part.
by hozr on Jan 15, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you mean redundancy
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Paging the Department of Redundance Department?
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*Redundancy
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps the Hollingers of the world have made sports more accessible to us nerdy types.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Almost Compared The Kings to an RPG for My First Fanpost
I was going to talk about experience levels and hit points, with lots of references to Chrono Trigger and Secret of Mana, how this Kings team is venturing into areas where the experience level is not high enough for the enemies, hence the close losses.
Maybe I will still write it since the so-called “nerd quotient” appears to offer a favoring welcome to such an article.
by #12Pick...who? on Jan 15, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have CT and SoM on my computer
God bless roms and emulators. Also, Super Mario 3 is some hard shit.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
by iashwash on Jan 15, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You just took the StR nerd quotient
bent it over, and nailed it from behind
www.mancancook.net
by vfettke on Jan 15, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have both of those.
On my modded PSP.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rober Jordan's Wheel of Time
….it rivals Lord of the Rings for epic-ness
Section214 is my hero. Good shakes!
by debrixtha1 on Jan 15, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
definitely true
and a lot of people love it.
My only problem is, it bugs me when powerful characters act stupidly, and Jordan could have cut 6,000 pages out of his story, by having otherwise intelligent characters not be stupid and sit down to have a 30 minute conversation about what was going on.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
by ForThree on Jan 15, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've enjoyed WoT.
It seemed like Jordan got lost somewhat after book four. Then he really picked it up in book nine. Book ten you can completely skip as there is no character movement (literally – no one moves) or plot development. Eleven was fine.
I remember I used to joke that Jordan would die before he ever finished this damn series (which I started reading 13 years ago). Then he did – yeesh. I will say, I love Brandon Sanderson and his telling of the final three books has started off excellently (better than I can remember the series being in a while, in fact). Read his Elantris if you get a chance.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
got all of his stuff
And i really like him. His Mistborn books are pretty good. He’s still not jordan though :)
Section214 is my hero. Good shakes!
by debrixtha1 on Jan 15, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He dragged it on too long and then he f-ing died!
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By far my favorite fantasy series...
…is the Song of Ice and Fire by George R.R. Martin. The first book is A Game of Thrones. The possibility of magic or supernatural beings is really only hinted at throughout most of the series. It’s much more a story of medieval battle and political intrigue.
Personally, I rate it second to Tolkien and far, far above Jordan’s Wheel of Time. Oh and don’t get too comfortable with any of the main characters because no one is safe and Martin shows no mercy.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You'd like Steven Erickson
though there is more magic. Its all about politics, characters and motivations, told from amazing perspectives. And the history of the world is amazing.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
by ForThree on Jan 15, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll check it out.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes agree with both of you (Jaycee and ForThree)
also in addition to the others I have mentioned I enjoyed Sara Douglas Wayfarer Redemption series and Terry Goodkind’s Wizard First Rule and onward. And Salvatore for the most part.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't agree with you fully on Goodkind.
I enjoyed the first few (through Blood of the Fold, I think?), but after that it gets too formulaic. Richard gets kidnapped. Richard teaches his kidnappers the error of their ways. Richard is freed. Richard preaches to everyone for a chapter or two. Bleeech.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agree - and sheild your eyes if the TV version is on
I think they are better than Robert Jordan (R.I.P.)’s WoT.
And if you haven’t read Alan Moore’s WatchMan it is a treat. Graphic novel, but I recommend it.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just wish he'd write it!
Song of fire and Ice is great but the wait between books is interminable. I do enjoy the killing off of major characters though
Section214 is my hero. Good shakes!
by debrixtha1 on Jan 15, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you do know that A Dance with Dragons
will never ever happen. Shame isn’t it. If you enjoyed those as much as me then I would recommend you consider the Stephen Erikson books that For Three mentions above. The first is Gardens of the Moon.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
is it official?
Never going to come out?
Section214 is my hero. Good shakes!
by debrixtha1 on Jan 15, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's being sarcastic.
He’s just taking so damn long on it. He’s put out other stuff and has been committed to the HBO adaptation of Ice and Fire, so he’s clearly working…just not on finishing ADwD. His last update was something to the effect that the manuscript was well past 1,000 pages. He’s still a long way from sending the thing to a publisher though. At this point I’m not holding my breath – it’ll come out eventually.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don't scare me like that
i was starting to search the web for info! (growls under his breath)
Section214 is my hero. Good shakes!
by debrixtha1 on Jan 15, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
which is the same thing he said about
Feast of Crows. We are talking years
by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy effing sh*t
Biggest thread jack ever!
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Jan 16, 2010 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyreke as quoted in the Philly paper
“I’m looking forward to the next contract,” he said. “That’s what I’m here working for, that next contract, whether I’m going to be a King player or wherever I’ll be.”
Should this concern us as much as it does the folks who chose to comment on it in their paper?
I was uncool before it was cool
by Dirkula on Jan 15, 2010 12:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And, um, Kevin Martin is back.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jan 15, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
I don’t think Tyreke is the most well-spoken athlete we’ve had here in Sacramento – and he’s still only 20 years old.
I’m guessing what he was trying to say and how it came out are two different things.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
by otis29 on Jan 15, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Context is needed
What exactly did the reporter ask?
by KingsJunkie on Jan 15, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not shocked to hear that.
That Team Tyreke article made it very clear that Tyreke is very…goal-oriented. He might leave if we don’t have a competitive team. However, if that’s the case, I’ll be more worried about the fact that we’re not winning than Tyreke’s inevitable departure.
"El once, chico. Eleven."
by Juan Primo on Jan 15, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey TZ
Kings have only won once since you’ve been doing the “Kings by 14” numeric prediction. It’s soft.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
by Aykis16 on Jan 15, 2010 12:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I vote to get Mike Prada
At least he understands what pain is.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Jan 15, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and into my starting fantasy roster.
Right next to Omri and Spence.
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
by Balky Needs on Jan 15, 2010 12:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The last time Kevin played against Iverson,
he broke his wrist.
If necessary have Brockman act as his bodyguard this time around…
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
by nothingbutnet on Jan 15, 2010 12:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hey Ziller change the numeric prediction.
This 14 point win stuff is a bad omen.
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
by nothingbutnet on Jan 15, 2010 12:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Consider me amused.
I love how this thread went from a Kings pregame analysis to a discussion of Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, old-school RPG’s, and our favorites works of fantasy and science fiction.
Thank heavens for the internet (and Tyreke Evans).
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
by Jaycee on Jan 15, 2010 1:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
OK all you geeks
Give the damn Kings some light sabers cause they have to go kill them some damn Orcs. And yes, I read the JRR myself.
by MustangMBS on Jan 15, 2010 1:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Donte apparently got his Twitter account hacked
Folks are blasting him for “sending” them porn links.
Take it out on the Sixers, young fella!
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 15, 2010 1:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Donté Twattéd mé!
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jan 15, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
How do I get a Twatter account?
Uh oh. I have a feeling I just set myself up.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
go to the same site
and key in your checking account and PIN #, they will take care of the rest
by betweentheeyes on Jan 16, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
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by section214 on Jan 16, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone else noticed
That 90% of this thread long since ceased to have anything to do with basketball? Just sayin’.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yep
At least its not about trading Martin for LaBron
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 15, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't DorkTown Royalty?
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jan 15, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you knew the answer to that question
Before you asked it.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jan 15, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Go Kings
A little over two hours before threads will be filled with:
1) Tyreke and Kevin can’t play together
2) Kevin’s a ball hog, he shoots too much
3) Spencer is terrible
4) Kevin is hindering the development of Tyreke
So much to look forward to!
:-)
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
by ForThree on Jan 15, 2010 1:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ewwww
negative nancy
saw this coming...
by anthonysam on Jan 15, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
more like...
Sarcasm Sam
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
by ForThree on Jan 15, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually feel bad now
because I don’t read books at all. StR is the only type of literature I read
The future begins now...
by edm7 on Jan 15, 2010 2:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I read through game-threads at a college level.
by russak on Jan 15, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you wear Pampers too?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Jan 15, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If this is your way of calling me a child prodigy, thank you.
by russak on Jan 15, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
If you were a child prodigy you would be wearing cloth diapers.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Jan 15, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Depends"
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why bother with the easy joke?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Jan 15, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm easy, I'm a joke
No bother.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Well played.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Jan 15, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen K-Mart's jersey...
I have it at my house and wearing it tomorrow to the Verizon Center in Section 228. Let’s Go Kings.
BOOK IT!
by kingme18 on Jan 15, 2010 2:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't think I've been this excited since the season started for a game...
I hope JT uses this game to get out of his “funk”. I expect Reke to have a big homecoming also.
Lots of good vibes going into this one tonight. Beers gettin cold, voice gettin warmed up to yell obscenities at the TV.
LETS GO KINGS!
Scot Pollard for President
by ThePrince on Jan 15, 2010 2:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Feels almost like that night before christmas when you were young
KINGS WILL BE 09-10 CHAMPIONS
by haze0945 on Jan 15, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have to say yes.
better though because I’ll be drinking.
Scot Pollard for President
by ThePrince on Jan 15, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets Go Kings baby!
King Kevin and King Tyreke will definitely put up 20+ points!!
Go Kings : )
Natural Go Getta!
by slamson on Jan 15, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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