Kings Offense Apparently Needs More Steam! Sixers 98, Kings 86
by Tom Ziller on Jan 15, 2010 9:27 PM PST
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PrintWhat a woeful little game for the Kings offense. Against a ghastly defense, and with top scorer Kevin Martin back in the fold, the Kings scored 86 points in 93 possessions, shooting 37 percent from the floor and turning the ball over a near extraordinary 19 times. Martin had three of those turnovers, as did sometimes sluggish Tyreke Evans. Jason Thompson, otherwise brilliant (19 points, 15 rebounds), coughed up the ball four times. Ime Udoka had three missteps in just 12 bench minutes. All that adds up to a lot of easy transition baskets for Philadelphia.
The shooting part was a bit more difficult to understand. Evans took only a couple iffy jumpers -- most of his 10 misses came at the rim (again). Martin shot 4-10, also having trouble finishing in traffic. But each got to the line at will (eight FTAs for Evans, nine for Martin), and that will be key going forward. And, of course, limiting those turnovers. Ugly, ugly turnovers.
On defense, the Kings stunk in two key areas: Samuel Dalembert and Elton Brand destroyed them in the paint, and Thaddeus Young destroyed them in transition. Dalembert and Brand combined to shoot 13-15 from the floor, just ridiculous production. No King could do anything with either of them. (And these are Philly's two untradable contracts!) Philadelphia's guards shot poorly enough (10-29 combined for Louis Williams and Allen Iverson) for the Kings to win this. But you can't let Dalembert and Brand destroy you in the process.
Martin looked good, mostly, in his return (two travels excepted). Until the closing minutes, he stayed in front of Iverson just fine, and made good decisions on offense. (These good decisions generally involved going to the rim or taking fairly open shots.) The word was that Martin was going to be limited to 15-20 minutes. That went out the window when Martin played the first eight minutes of the game -- Paul Westphal tried to give him frequent breaks, but it seemed like every time Martin sat the Sixers would start to pull away. (That showed up in the plus-minus: Martin was a team high +6. Only one other King -- Omri Casspi, who started but scored only six points in 32 minutes -- ended up in the positive.)
The Kings bench got massively outplayed. Beno Udrih shot decently (4-7 for nine points), but the other four reserves combined for 1-10 shooting. Donte Greene got exactly one possession of action before abbreviated garbage time: a defensive sequence to end the third quarter. (The Show played it beautifully, natch, forcing Marreese Speights into a fading three.) Udoka looked awfully tenative for such a cool customer, and even Jon Brockman appeared sluggish. (!) I'm not exactly sure how this rotation is going to shake out. Martin will soon play more minutes than he receives tonight (34), Andres Nocioni only saw five minutes (all at the power forward) and Sergio Rodriguez never got off the bench. Greene deserves more than two minutes, and I'm not exactly sure how he finds those. (Less burn for Udoka and Brockman -- yes, Brockman -- might end up the answer.)
Rough night. The Kings always seem to play so oddly in Philadelphia.
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Wierd game
Everyone looked a little uncomfortable, almost like a preseason game. The shooting was just bad, so many bunnies and open J’s missed. Let’s just write it off to new adjustments, and take it out on the Bullets tomorrow night.
Oh yah, trade Kevin!
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jan 15, 2010 9:37 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
they actually gave up that name and are now the Wizards
b/c so many people get murdered in DC by guns
by VirginiaBlue on Jan 15, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the update
I dont really follow the sport. :-)
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jan 15, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Virginia
Didn’t you hear? They changed the name back to honor their suspended teamate. Sarcasm. Live it. Love it.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
But will VB learn it?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Good take...
Sergio would have helped on the TOs and Donte’ could have helped on defense and maybe even offense…
Bad game, damn it.
15 4th Q points this outing
beats the 13 point 4th Q last game.
I am sticking with “imrprovement”.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2010 10:12 PM PST reply actions
I believe it was a 10 point fourth quarter against the Magic.
That would make 15 points a 50% improvement!
I think everyone needs to realize that as much as we've improved at home
this season, currently 12-9(23-18 pace) over last season’s 11-30, we are a young team and young teams often struggle on the road.
Currently on the road we are 3-14(7-34 pace) compared to last season’s 6-35 road mark.
I think we can get it together and do better than 7 road wins, but there is no road game that should be considered a sure win at this point, none.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Yet Kfan with those projections you just posted
That makes the Kings a 30 win team. That sounds like incredible progress to me. When you’re so far down as we were last year, you have nowhere to go but up. That doesn’t mean, however, that it will all turn around on a dime either. Patience is a necessary ingredient for fans to see how this ultimately transpires.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
it is an uphill climb
but not straight up, occassionally Sisyphian, but up nonetheless.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
sure looked to me like things turned on a dime
when Reke became focal point of team.
by VirginiaBlue on Jan 15, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
I don't find foul language or insults to be necessary in all but a few circumstances
However your reply is founded on cruel instigation asking to be spit upon, a disgrace to your already low self esteem. Your level of maturity is protozoan at best, your insights opaque, and your heart one chambered and fossilized.
I can muster only eff off, and be gone, you are not wanted here.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
This gets my vote for comment of the week!
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
BTE already got Comment of the Week for his
Bed and Breakfast nickname.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
Kmart I love you. My heart will go on.
does that make you feel better? lol. I can’t wait until they trade him and you have to buy another jersey.
by VirginiaBlue on Jan 16, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
wow
you blasted him, good. note to self: don’t get on bteyes bad side.
in reply to virginia blue, shake it off, one man’s opinion is just that, but you kinda had it coming. if you are going to slam on two beloved players (tyreke or kmart) on this board, you better have the goods to back it up. I don’t think they should be immune from criticism, but needs to be rooted in logic. and oh yeah, fans are not pleasant after crap games.
Yep
Progress, for sure. We’ve learned to win some at home. Now we need to learn to win some on the road. Then win more at home and then more on the road, etc. etc. etc.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
I think part of the reason the Kings looked off tonight (and I wrote this in my recap) is that the Kings desperately need Reke & Omri to be frenetic
The reason I say frenetic is that it throws teams off their game when they’re orbiting at the levels they’re both capable of. Without that orbit, the Kings are very ordinary and need to hit a massively high rate of their shots to win on any given night. Unfortunately, one of those nights was not tonight.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
when the team is winnig it is chock full of talent
when a team losses no one and nothing seems to work and talent (and coaching) are questioned.
This team needs more talent, it is just more obvious during this dismal month. The rookies are still rookies, JT has much to learn, as do Spencer and Donté. Martin is re affirmed as the teams’ best player, Beno is still a back up as is Nocioni, Garcia still injured. That is 9. Evreyone else; Udoka, Rodrguez, May, Armstrong are minimum contract players. It reminds us that accummulating talent, including the value of a future lottery pick, should be coveted.
If we review our checklists for what we hoped for this season before it began – play the rookies, show team chemistry, the emergence of a core and for me, play every game for 48 minutes – these hopes have all been met – though the last two 4th Quarters make one hesitate in regards to energy and drive. The team looks tired as it is steam that is in short supply these two losses.
Winning cures a ll ills, Losing rains on every parade, and yet – the sun will come out tomorrow.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Great stuff until the Annie ending. What happened there? ;p
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 15, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
I have a special place in my heart for Daddy Warbucks
and I left off Kenny Thomas from my list (as Sandy would also say) “Woof!”
by betweentheeyes on Jan 16, 2010 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
Great stuff bte.
Definitely rec’d.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I didn't even watch this game
But I didn’t have high expectations going in. Martin’s first game back, a road game, Philly not such a great matchup… I know we all were very excited with Kevin coming back and I’m sure it was deflating to see more of the same, but it’s going to take some time to work out the kinks. Kevin has the benefit of being a veteran and having played with lots of different players – Tyreke is learning on the fly.
The kids will be alright.
+1
Even great players take time to get used to playing with each other. I’m not talking about ‘Reke and K-Mart here as much as the entire team adjusting to a new great player. If you don’t believe that, think about how many time a team of the best NBA players gets beat by a team of internationals. And when they don’t get beat, how much practicing together it took to get there.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
Reke had a bad night away from the line
Dalembert played inspired. Brand with one of his better games, most of his shots with a defender in front. The turnovers were a problem but the Kings could have kept this closer in the last five minutes. After the time out they went small and that was it. I think JTs stats stood above the turnovers- add in the 5 assists and 3 blocks. He stepped up in front of hometown. Hope the slump is over.
Is Reke "sluggish" because he is exerting too much effort on the offensive end as PG?
If he was at Memphis his season would have been long over. To play an 82 game NBA season, playing mam defense is alright more work than the college zone, I wonder if his “sluggish” can be attributed to being leaned on too much.
Every rookie has to adjust to an 82 game schedule
It has nothing to do with what position they are playing. As much as you want to make ‘Reke a 2, watch K-Mart tonight and see how much he is moving without the ball. Next look at An Omri of One. It’s not the position. It’s the length of the season. Even Shock is showing it and he’s a sophmore.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
The road and being young had nothing to do with the loss
it’s the offensive scheme.
The KIngs had some lapses on defense, like they have had all season. Twice Omri switched on the screens, but the man guarding the ball(Martin,Evans) didn’t, and the screener was left open for a return pass and open shot. Once Martin lost track of his man, and when Iversen cut through the lane, Martin took after him leaving Green who Martin was guarding, in the corner for an open 3. Then there was Beno, doubling Brand when Hawes had him well defended, and Brand kicked it out to Iguodala for another open 3. Those 4 defensive lapse cost the Kings 10pts.
But, really the Kings lost the game on 14 turnovers by the starting line. And, it’s because of the offense we play. We give the ball to someone and then expect them to create their own open shot. Even when we drive and kickout, the player that receives the kickout isn’t always open. Then if there’s time on the clock, that player starts the same offense or if the offense was too long getting started he puts up a shot to beat the clock. Earlier in the season when some of the guys got hot and were making every shot, we won some games. Well, guys are missing their shots now and we’re losing.
I can’t blame Tyreke’s poor shooting on Dalembert waiting in the paint for him. Spencer was hitting his outside shots, and Dalembert was following him all the way to the top of the arc. Tyreke did and should have been able to get behind him and to the rim. But every team knows this now, and even if Dalembert wasn’t waiting, someone else was. And, you can’t blame Spencer and JT for turning over the ball, when you give them the ball15 ft from the rim and expect them to beat their man and the help defense that is sitting back waiting for Tyreke.
Kevin Martin wasn’t the problem, but his 19pts on 10 shots wasn’t the solution either. Kevin is a pure shooter and he’s going to perform no matter what offence we run. But you can’t add KMart to a team scoring 105ppg and expect the team to aver 135ppg. And, you can’t expect the rest of the team to score like Kevin Martin. The offense has to change,
Having Tyreke drive to the rim as your main offense every possession, isn’t the answer. And, just like Donte needed to be more selective in his shots, Tyreke is going to have to play like a playmaking PG when the defense is sagging and he’s not scoring at the rim. And, that means that the other 4 players need to move. Not move to a corner and wait for a kickout. They need to move to lose their man and get to an open space to receive a pass from Tyreke. We need some offensive sets that don’t call for the man with the ball to dribble to an open space and take a shot. That’s what were doing and that’s why were turning over the ball and putting up bad shots. We need to get the ball to the open man without dribbling.
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by HighTops on Jan 16, 2010 1:35 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
And yet we are 12-9 at home and 3-14 on the road
and we shoot 46.3% at home and 46.1% on the road and we shoot 35.8% from 3 at home and 36.1% on the road and we shoot 74.5% on FTs at home and 72.5% on the road, but we score 106.4 points at home and only 98.7 points on the road.
I think it has everything to do with it being a road game, and the reason that is important is because it is a young team.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 16, 2010 2:33 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Young, tired (they are hitting the NBA wall), and on the road
Totally agree. We can and have moved the ball in the past. Evans can and does finish at the rim. I’d pput money on us looking great tonight if I had any. :)
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
It's a mental hurdle IMO
Not a physical one. They just didn’t have any real ball or person movement last night.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Probably a little of both
I don’t think guys that age, are actually wearing out physically. But they are tired. And it’s hard to stay motivated for a season this long. It’s about mentally getting yourself into the game. That’s why they play better at home. The crowd gets the blood pumping and little aches and pains disappear.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
That must be true for veterans as well.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
It shouldn't be
I’m willing to cut the young guys a little slack. But the vets have no excuse.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
Yet vets make 'em all the time.
That’s what separates the men from the boys.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Not always easy to tell the difference
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
by SavageBeast on Jan 16, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
NIce.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
And yet if we had shot 50% we wouldn't have won
I’m not saying that the home team doesn’t have an advantage. What I’m saying is that the advantage isn’t the main cause of why we lost this game, and some of the others.
We are the 5th worst team in turnovers, and when you give good shooting teams 12 more FGA’s you are going to lose. We needed to shot 10% better than their 45% just to make up for the extra attempts they got. And, we outrebounded them. So, what makes us that bad of a team, that we turnover the ball that much. Is it because Tyreke & Beno handle the ball so poorly. Or, is it because our guy are always dribbling the ball into a crowd?
Is there anyone who doesn’t believes that the current offense is as far from the motion offense of the past, that is can be? Now I’m not saying that the KIngs should have a smooth running motion offense. No, on the contrary I believe that with the team we have and with a new coach, we are right where I expect. I was just trying to express my opinion that this isn’t an individual problem, but a team problem. And, it’s going to take time to fix the defensive lapses and to implement a team offensive concept, that isn’t a take off of the 1-4 Flat.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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Is there anyone who doesn’t believes that the current offense is as far from the motion offense of the past, that is can be?
We have a lot of motion and passing in our offense, more than most NBA teams right now in my opinion. It was especially noticable last night when we had 21 assist on 26 made FGs, and the assists were spread around a lot (many players had a few).
Of course we have our moments of letting Tyreke go one on one, and I’ve criticized the “Prevent Offense” that we run in the 4th quarter a lot heavily also, but for the most part I see our offense quite a bit differently I think.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
I would say you can blame JT and Spence for turning the ball over for most of their turnovers.
I saw a lot of lazy ill advised passes and if a player isn’t open swing the ball around instead. They were pressing too much. I think if their teammates were hitting more outside shots, the middle wouldn’t have been as clogged and the amount of turnovers would have been reduced.
Ba-da
And if we were making our lay-ups
the outside would have been more open. Bottom line, we didn’t shoot well all around.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
by SavageBeast on Jan 16, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Absolutely this:
Having Tyreke drive to the rim as your main offense every possession, isn’t the answer. And, just like Donte needed to be more selective in his shots, Tyreke is going to have to play like a playmaking PG when the defense is sagging and he’s not scoring at the rim.
He’s young, I know, but I’m having a hard time with the sheer quantity of times per game that Evans is driving to the rim and either misses or gets stripped. He has to learn to pass out of the paint, and to finish better in traffic, or at least draw a foul. That way defenses will collapse on him, giving open shots to other players.
When he’s on, he gets double or triple-teamed in there. When he’s not, they camp a big at the rim to block or strip or alter the shot, and he’s got nowhere to pass to.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 16, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
True
Excellent analysis.
Our offense seems to misuse the spacing on the floor. Whatever happened to back door cuts & multiple off the ball screens?
They can’t continue to stand around while the ball handler tries to juke his man.
Personally, despite his myriad flaws, I’d love to see the offense flow thru Hawes in the high post more.
That's worked in the past, but how does that help Tyreke
and if people aren’t moving, Spencer isn’t going to have any more success than Tyreke or Beno. Even Sergio who is as close to a playmaking PG as we’ve had in a while has had problems running the offense because of the lack of movement.
When they start running the screens & back door cuts, Tyreke will make the pass. We just need to run some plays for each starter. When was the last time we saw one of our players set a pick for one of our bigs to get him free in the paint? That’s what I want to see, pick the opposing center with our guard, and make their guard switch and defend our big in the post.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
I don't think I agree
The object of our offense shouldn’t be to get Hawes and JT mismatches, because they aren’t our strength. JT and Hawes both have glimpses of being good offensive players in every game, but they aren’t good enough yet to be consistent. Even if we got the mismatches with our bigs in the post, would that really turn into a lot of points? I doubt it.
The strengths of this team on offense are the perimeter players and the skill level of our bigs. I agree to a certain extent with your post above, though I think you are too harsh on our lack of movement. Our goal should be to get a slight advantage for our small guys and then let the play go from there. Getting Tyreke/Kevin/Omri a step, or free via screen, etc, then they decide, do they have the drive? Do they have a shot? Is help coming so I’m finding someone open?
I think this team is getting closer and closer to being Coachie’s dream in terms of having great guys to run an effective motion offense. But as we get closer, there are going to be a lot of turnovers, and we’re a couple years away from reaching our peak with this group.
I agree with you this team will be a good motion offense team; I disagree that they aren’t trying to do so yet.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
I think to be a good motion team you have to run sets for all your players
so I wasn’t suggesting running the offense threw the bigs. But, when you need to get a basket to stop a run or perserve a lead, it helps to have a play to run for your bigs. We are a team of scoring guards and wings and that should be our point of focus. what I don’t like is passing to an open man off penetration and then have that man dribble penetrate instead of shot the open shot.
If you want Omri to attack the rim then run a screen, that gets him into the lane. Don’t penetrate and drag the defense into the paint, kick out to Omrin, only to have him drive into the already crowded paint. Pick what you want to accomplish, then run the offense to get the player open, then give him the ball. That’s all I saying.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
I'm misunderstand still I'm sure
A motion offense doesn’t have to have plays for anyone in particular, though I’m sure competantly designed ones do. Of Evans/Martin/Casspi/JT/Hawes our bigs are arguably the two worst offensive players in the bunch.
I think your criticism isn’t really of the offense, its of the decision making of the players running it. In your example, someone penetrates and dishes to Casspi, its on Casspi then to make a good decision; presumably he was the open guy, so he has some options:
1) Shoot it – depending on spacing and how close the help is, this could be a good decision
2) If the help is arriving soon, he can find the next open guy – that next open guy then has the same options Casspi did
3) Drive the ball somewhere himself
I understand your issue with option #3, if Omri drives into traffic and creates a turnover, but its not necessarily always the wrong option. If Omri drives it, its on him to go somewhere useful, get a better shot or get in a position to get the ball to someone who will have a better shot. If you are saying we sometimes make bad decisions, I totaly agree. We often make bad decisions, but that’s explainable with our youth and unfamiliarity as a team I think.
The point of the offense though is to get the ball to guys with an advantage of some kind, which is a work in process for us, but I thought we did pretty well last night. What they do with the advantage is a different question (witness a couple of JT’s abysmal passes last night).
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
I agree with you observations
it the definition of a motion offense where we are in disagreement.
To me a motion offense is where players without the ball move to create a clear passing lane and an open shot.
When the ball handler penetrates to draw the double team which leaves a player open for a kickout pass, isn’t a motion offense. That’s basicly what every team in the league does when they run the pick & roll. Screen off the ball handlers man, let him drive into the paint and shot or kick out.
And, I’m fine with the Kings running penetration kickouts, just not the majority of possessions. There too perdictable and teams are doubling Tyreke early of waiting down low for him.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
There is a desperate need for better low post defense.
More than once last night a Phily player was allowed to walk right to the rim for a layup. Someone needs to step up and knock the opponent on his ass! Also, too much doubling off perimeter shooters to try to help down low resulting in open shots. If we had better post defenders, not as much doubling would be needed. What to do, what to do? (maybe a trade for a better low-post player?)
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Things that I see wrong with tyrekes game and needs to be improved. When he’s got the ball and he’s about to drive. I think he takes too much time trying to penetrate and this gives defenders time to set up on defense and it makes it worst when his teammates just stand there and wait for him to drive. The play makes it so predictible.
Sixers fan here
I just think the Sixers matchup very well against the Kings and we have seen it twice this season. I knew the key was to bang it down low to score our points. Dalembert and Brand have both been playing very well. I knew our guards (at least our starting ones) were going to have trouble guarding Evans and Martin, but once Jrue Holiday came off the bench he played some very good defense.
I am very high on Donte Greene and was disappointed he did not get some more time tonight.
Oh come on, say something rude so we can curse at you.
You won so it’s no skin off your nose, and it will make us all feel a little better to throw around onscenities.
I think you may be right. We don’t seem to match up well with the 76ers front line. On the other hand, last time you played us without our two best players. And last night we played about as lifelessly as I’ve ever seen us play. Hope things work out for you guys. I’ve never been a huge EJ fan as was/am glad we didn’t sign him. But I’d still like to see him succeed out in Liberty Land.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
FUCK THE KINGS!!!
Lol, nah. Eddie Jordan is a terrible coach and every Sixers fan who is not blind will tell you they want him fired right now. You may have noticed how the Sixers were noticably better with their reserves on the floor than their starters (Brand and Holiday).
What are you guys want the Kings to do with Martin? Trade him or try to make him work with Evans?
heh, the spirit lives on
I am surprised there is such quick distaste for Eddie Jordan. He is a bright coach and has league wide respect which is saying something positive. He is a Princeton offense disciple which places him in more reverent grounds here in Sacramento.
The Sixers are a team with talent that does not seem to mesh and like most NBA teams, have more than their share of bad contracts and/or bad luck.
It is great to see Elton Brand start to emerge and Thad Young is a young stud. SammyD is inconsistent, but his recent TV spots and big charity contribution show he has both a good heart and mind. Jrue Holiday will be at least solid and Lou Williams already is. Your young team is plagued with inconsistency, just like ours.
Good luck to your team Yo6 and thanks for commenting
by betweentheeyes on Jan 16, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
You said it yourself
I knew our guards (at least our starting ones) were going to have trouble guarding Evans and Martin
Most teams will have a similar trouble and it would be foolish to move Martin, unless the return is a very good interior guy.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 16, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for you're input Yo
I too believe the Kings just don’t match up well with the Sixers. You guys are a very athletic team, and Holiday did as good a job on Evans as I’ve seen anyone do this year.
I also was very disappointed Donté didn’t get more burn in a match that seemed tailor made for him. Hopefully it was because his ankle was still hurting too much to have him play anything other than a few possessions at a time, otherwise, I’m blaming the coaching staff for that mistake.
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Definitly a bad match up.
The Sixers always dictate the flow of the game against the Kings. What’s surprising is the Sixers are known for being terrible defenders, but after the 2 games against the Kings I would have thought they were a top 3 defensive squad. Watching the Kings offense against the Sixers is like watching The Shining: uncomfortable and disturbing.
Ba-da
We have some solid defenders (Holiday, Iguodala, Dalembert) but a horrible defensive coach, when the right mix of players are on the floor we can get some stops.
I am a Syracuse fan as well so I was a little pissed when Greene left school after one year (definitely was not ready) but he has developed into a solid NBA role player. His defense has even looked pretty solid, I remember watching him shut down Carmelo a week or two ago.
Donté has become the best defender on the Kings
and he’s by far the most athletic player on the team. He still hasn’t developed a consistent offensive game yet, but he has taken a huge leap forward (not really statistically mind you) in improving his game this year.
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PW played Ime for his defense, Donte should have had PT on Young & Spreight
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