Kings At Wizards - Post Game Thread
by section214 on Jan 16, 2010 6:30 PM PST
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PrintIt's ___________________ fault.
Choices seem to inlcude Spencer Hawes, the Evans/Martin project, David Stern, Dick Bavetta, Jack Ruby, Ruby Dee, Billy Dee Williams, Justin Williams, Justin Timberlake, and my Timberlake shoes.
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You're with yourself?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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No, there were a few other people around.
The named names.
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Choices does not include Ziller?
14 pt club and the no game thread club? Spells disaster.
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Hawes is the dean of that school
When you have an open jump shot, particularly from 4-5 feet, please, please, please just take it. Or take a seat.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 16, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
He's not the only one
It’s almost epidemic with this team. Which I don’t understand – if your set offense results in an open shot, why not take it?
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
Agreed
And that’s what you’re looking for: a good, makeable shot. If you don’t have the shot, keep passing until you do. Make the other team work on defense, but don’t then let them off the hook by turning a good shot into no shot and possibly a 4-5 point swing going the other way.
I can understand it if it’s an outside shot, but the Kings continually turn the ball over trying to turn 10-foot shots into something closer. Just shoot it, make it, let the other team sweat a little.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 17, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Good Point
although I would point out that the Kings have a shooting percentage at the rim of 61% with JT at 60% and Spence at 59%. And the team only shots 37% on shots inside 10ft but not at the rim. So, I guess if you think you can get a higher pecentage shot, it’s not the worst decision in the world to try. But, your point is valid, when the paint is crowded and the player you are trying to get the ball to is defended then just take the 10 footer..
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Well now that you mention it ...
I seem to recall Ziller about 6 to 8 weeks ago say that he thought the kings would stay near .500 until the end of december and then fall in the standings.
I would like to present this as Exhibit B against Ziller.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 16, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
We need a guy who can change peoples shots
Not Spencer Hawful
do you know how stupid that sounds
when Spencer had 4 blocked shots tonight?
To make Spencer the scapegoat tonight is ridiculous.
by thisismellow on Jan 16, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
from behind and weak side....not shot changing
who’s afraid of Spencer?
by getPGwithbounce on Jan 16, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
Shoes.
It was definitely the shoes.
And maybe the lack of bench production.
And maybe KMart’s tired legs. And we shoulda started Donté, though he may have fouled out by mid-third quarter.
And if somebody would flatten Boykins once or twice a game, that would be nice.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 16, 2010 7:36 PM PST reply actions
Just throwing names out there
He was projected #3 last year, after all. Ed Davis?
I haven't seen Ed Davis
The guy I like is Dexter Pittman. 6’10" 290 lbs. I only seen him twice, but he looked like a great athlete for his size and has nice instincts and footwork around the hoop. He lost a ton of weight and just starting to realize his potential.
do you know how stupid that sounds
when Spencer had 4 blocked shots tonight?
To make Spencer the scapegoat tonight is ridiculous.
No -
I have Timberlake shoes. Would you like to see my dick in a box?
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Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jan 16, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
Why does 27ft get a private screening?
Not. Fair.
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Why would you want one?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Are you saying Section doesn't look as good as he does in his pictures?
Because the man is PHOTOGENIC.
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Yeah he's purely photogenic.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
You guys are correct -
I can’t tell you how many times people meet me and say, “You’re not nearly this ugly in the picture I saw of you.” That would make me photogenic, right? Right?
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I was just thinking to myself the other day
You look just like Joe.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
And you look like pooh
(section giggles to self like a school girl)
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I hope your wife doesn't know about this habit.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I hope not.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Looks like a penis
Only smaller.
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JT's funk not listed as a fault option?
by getPGwithbounce on Jan 16, 2010 7:45 PM PST reply actions
Judging from what I saw in the game thread,
no. Spencer’s presence is dragging JT down, apparently.
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blaming Spencer for this game ...
is just as retarded as when 49er fans were blaming Crabtree for their season going down the drain.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 16, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
I realize there are those eternal optomists that feel everything is AOK.
I personally predicted we would win 34(+-4) games this year. Judging by our talent and coaching staff, I feel like this is a fair expectation.
We are currently won 2 of our last 12 games. Given some of our recent competition its not a stretch to say we have had a tough schedule as of late.
My complaint isn’t having lost to the Lakers, Magic or Cavs but our losses to Philly, Washington, Golden State and Minnesota don’t seem to register.
When we play good teams we seem to rise to the occassion but when we play bad teams we seem to play with less energy and toughness.
The swagger and hustle seem to be absent in many of the players.
We played really tentative tonight. What’s going on?
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
I thought that I was being optimistic when I predicted 31 wins
34 is twice as many as last year. You don’t see that happen too often unless a team drafts Tim Duncan and David Robinson returns from injury. It’s an awfully ambitious number. But I bet the mood of the Kings players is closer to your mood than mine.
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When we play slow it seems like we lose,
but I could be wrong. Lets take advantage of our youth.
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by nothingbutnet on Jan 16, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
last year's team > 17 wins
the Kings’ best player was out for a huge chunk of the season, they made a coaching change midseason, and also traded two important pieces (Miller and Salmons) of their offense midseason. Plus, I think the Kings tanked a lil’ bit at the end. I’m not saying that they would have made the playoffs or anything, but their record wouldn’t have been as bad without having to deal with all that crap. For those reasons, I don’t see a 34 win record as a real doubling of last years, although it technically would be… if that makes any sense.
by Pollard4LIfe on Jan 16, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
Damn,
if I would have just guessed lower I would be in a much better mood.
Optimism rears its ugly head!!
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by nothingbutnet on Jan 16, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
Somewhere between our numbers is fair
this stretch has been rough. I guess I cope because I still think there’s tons to hope for here; so much more than last year, that these losses don’t bug me that much.
We’ll see how the people involved handle some adversity; it was going to happen of course, they are getting their first real taste now.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Last year we were so bad, I didn't expect much.
This year I’m so excited about our potential that I get bummed when we lose games we should win.
Higher expectations = higher dissappointment
We will be good…eventually
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
by nothingbutnet on Jan 16, 2010 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
Playing to our opponents level is not new for this team...
we’ve been doing it for years. Think back to how many times in years past we’ve “gotten up” for the Lakers, Spurs or Jazz and how we’ve played down to a Minnesota or New Jersey. I think it’s as much mental as anything else. This team needs to have the mindset that it will play hard for 48 minutes every night. The mental toughness is just not there.
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As opposed to 3 weeks ago when it was?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Shot selection eas bad.
Hawe’s passed up a lot of short jumpers and opted to pass the ball. Casspi did the same thing.
Ball movement wasn’t that great. No plays were set for Thompson.
I like our transition offense much better than our 1/2 court O. With such a young athletic team, does it seem like we should be running more?
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
No doubt
Westphal himself has said that the team should “attack, attack, attack” all game on offense. That has certainly not been the case recently – below our season average in 5 of the last 6.
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I think he needs to tell young Omri
Torah! Torah! Torah!
by betweentheeyes on Jan 18, 2010 1:41 AM PST up reply actions
Would set plays...
for JT had made things better or worse?
JR said it best in post game that you cannot have players making TOs who aren’t assisting. Between the two, Hawes and JT had 8 TOs against 2 assists, 6 for 18 shooting, had their shots sent back at them 6 times.
Besides being chronic fouler and NBA leader in hacking, JT is a TO making machine.
Among PFs, he ranks only below Boozer, Bosh, Amare and Zack Randolph in TOs committed. The difference is these guys score a lot more points and are consistently double teamed. Those four are consistent low post threats. JT is the opposite of that. In his last 7 games, JT has 25 TOs, at least 3 TOs in every game.
(By comparison, our primary ball handler Tyreke has only 18 TOs in last 9 games. When you have a PG making only 2 TOs/ game, and your PF averages 3.5 TOs/ game, something is amiss with your PF.)
TOs by definition halt momentum and trigger point swings. It is hard to quantify, but JTs run of TOs lately has to be about a 10 point swing in score, with us not getting a shot, and the opposing team getting a run out or chance to seize momentum.
If someone wants to defend JT with the Philly game as an example, be my guest, because it reinforces my opinion. JT has a ‘breakout’ game, or a ‘brilliant’ game as I think Ziller termed it, and the Kings still flop against one of the league’s worst teams, that speaks to the level of impact his best (or close to best) has on the outcome.
I don’t mean to bash JT. He is a hustler and an athlete and an all-around nice guy. That much is obvious. But he also has to be singled out as the main culprit for our plummeting record (along with Noccioni), which is only 2 games ahead of 4th worst record in the NBA. Instead of being a much-needed stabilizing, productive, and emerging force surrounding a rookie SF, a rookie PG, and a 21 year old center, he is an unreliable scorer, a chronic whiner, and thanks to the good sense of Geoff Petrie, has a likely future as back-up on another NBA roster not called the Kings.
One more not-so-pretty stat: JT has never missed a game as a pro. His teams record when he plays is 32-89. Ouch.
A little harsh...
…and while I don’t agree that he needs to be exiled, I do share some of your frustrations, particularly with respect to the turn overs. He seems to be very tentative on most of his interior passes. He also needs to learn to move the ball away from swiping hands on the way up to the rim. He gets stripped frequently, although sometimes he’ll draw the foul there.
Aside from the turnover issue, I can live with JT’s limitations, so long as the Kings eventually obtain a more domininant big man who would take some of the load off of JT and Hawes.
You know, every time I start to get frustrated with JT and start bemoaning his lack of agility, explosiveness and finesse, he’ll nail one of those feathery 15-foot set shots, and all is forgiven…for awhile anyway.
Better alternative
Make him the point guard. That was a helluva break he ran last night .
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 17, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Some concerns of mine also,
I do think your frustration has you over doing it a bit, but it’s mostly accurate. As for the TO’s, look at where they happen and why they happen not just the quantity.
Bad passes, traveling, and offensive fouls are the main problems that I see. But, it makes me ask why. Why is our PF who isn’t know as a good passer, getting the ball in the high post and being asked to initiate the offense. Why is our PF getting the ball outside the paint and having to dribble penetrate into the paint when he isn’t even a good ball handler. Expecially, when our PG who is a good ballhandler and makes his living off penetration, has the offense sagging into the paint waiting for him. And, why does our PF who has a limited post game trying to drive to the rim in the 1st place.
JT has gotten better at creating and driving to the basket, but he’s not a good finisher. And, he is not a good passer. So, you have to wonder why is trying to make shots that he’s not good at, and is it his fault or the fault of the offense. A good offense should be getting the players the ball at a spot where they are comfortable and confident about taking the shot. I think there are a lot of players on the KIngs that are getting to ball at a spot where they aren’t comfortable shooting it, and are trying to create a shot but don’t have the skill as yet to do it without turning it over.
I suppose that it might be necessary for them to try shots that their not good at just because we get better through experience and repetition. So, maybe failure today will lead to success in the future. I’m kind of a middle of the road guy, so I’d like to see an offense that gets the player the ball in a area where he feels good shooting, and then if occassionally if he wants to try something different he can. But, putting players in a bad situation to start with is a sure road to failure.
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Good observation.
We aren’t playing to our strengths right now and are forcing the ball which in turn is increasing our turnovers and reducing our field goal percentage.
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
by nothingbutnet on Jan 17, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Pet peev of mine,
but I like it when a team utilizes the full court press on “D” . We never seem to put pressure on opposing teams bringing up the ball. We go for steals, but thats about it.
We should play to our strengths and try and tire some of these older teams out especially since we have a deep bench.
When Reke walks the ball up every time, it gives the other team a chance to rest. Reke, Donte, JT,Kevin, Sergio, Beno, Armstrong, Noce… can all run.
“Run Forrest Run”
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
Agreed on pushing the ball up
If for no other reason than it would give us a few extra seconds on the shot clock. And we definitely have had possessions where we could use some more time on the shot clock.
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eh, too be expected
Two weeks ago people were ready to crown Omri as Jesus and JT as the PF/C of the future. Up and downs are to be expected, people run around like headless chickens because whether they’ll admit it or not, they like to huff and puff.
How’s the kid doing? Knows where he’s going next year?
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doing well
battling shoulder tendonitis but undefeated on the year, Temple, Babson, Bucknell, Rider Boston College all interested in him his fav so far is a small school in NY Hartwick College. I just want him to go where he will be happy
You forgot how to reply? :P
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Unfortunately, just like PW, we're starting to forget about Noc.
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It's kind of hard to blame a guy who plays four minutes
The Kings were +5 while he was in there, too.
I think Westphal is playing for a draft pick. He has a great knack for taking out guys who are doing a good job.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 17, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Your honest opinion is that Westphal is tanking?
Wow. Just wow.
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You want to tackle the second sentence of that paragraph?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 17, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Right
You said that he is pulling players because he is playing for a draft pick. If you were being sarcastic, my apologies for missing it. Tough to tell with you.
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You miss a lot of things.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 17, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed. Why don't you take a few weeks off,
and give me an opportunity to miss you?
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The Kings
12-9 when Nocioni has started.
3-14 when Nocioni hasn’t started.
0-1 when he doesn’t suit up.
Stats courtesy of Basketball Reference.
3 and freakin 14! Please insert him back in starting lineup and let the kids play a little less until they demonstrate they are ready for prime time.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 17, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
Look at the numbers
They show the Kings are a better team when Nocioni starts.
I’m not saying he needs to play 40 minutes, but our slide coincided with his minutes hitting the skids, and I don’t think that’s just a coincidence.
I’m also not saying he’s the perfect player, because he’s not, but face it, we’ve got a roster full of less than perfect players.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 17, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
If they are all "less than perfect players" (which I agree with)
Why not give minutes to the “less than perfect players” that will actually be part of the future of this team? Unless you’re still thinking the record this year actually matters, or if you still think we are contenders for the 8th spot
The future begins now...
I think we should play to win every game
and play the best players we have now the minutes they warrant that give us a chance to do that.
Play JT, Hawes, Casspi, etc. 20-25 minutes a game, more if they are playing well. Donte is just below that group and deserves at least 15 minutes a night, more if he’s playing well.
We have a lot of guys who should be playing 15-25 minutes a game and really only a couple of guys who warrant playing more than 30 minutes a game. So there’s 160-170 minutes to spread around, so it’s not like our young players are going to be benchridden.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 18, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Equally solid analysis
CC lives in a blue house
There is a blue house at the dump
CC lives at the dump.
The logic is undeniable
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About as logical as
That was a stupid post.
High Tops made that post.
All posts made by High Tops are stupid.
I don’t think the last statement is the case.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 18, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
A good portion of that
Was during the time the team had that fairly easy stretch of games at home.
Let’s be honest – Nocioni has been playing subpar basketball of late, and if the team has to choose between getting him on track or seeing what they have in the youngsters, they should choose the latter IMO.
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Your fingers work well
for a mental midget.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 17, 2010 4:11 PM PST reply actions
It's probably totally wrong
For me to so thoroughly enjoy the fact that this comment calling Section a mental midget is an epic reply fail.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 17, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
You're not the only who laughed.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
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