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Still Lacking Steam! Fire More Coal! Wizards 96, Kings 86

When the going gets rough, the rough get tables.

Top Duos Minutes Points Shots* Pt/Shot Assists Turnovers
Martin/Evans 78 44 43 1.02 11 3
Jamison/Butler 75 33 34 0.97 3 1

Everyone Else Minutes Points Shots Pt/Shot Assists Turnovers
Kings 162 42 49 0.86 9 12
Wizards 159 63 56 1.13 16 9

I don't mean to oversimplify, but geez, man. Adding a scorer does not allow all other members of the team. In fact, quite to the contrary, if this team is going to play well on offense, it needs to play as it did when it was a desperate overachiever. That desperate modus operandi has been mostly dead since New Year's Day, and Sacramento desperately needs it back.

If the roster top to bottom doesn't improve right now, this will be an 0-6 road trip, and we're going to be opening Saturday afternoon draft watch threads while forgetting to schedule open game threads (whoops!).

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Tonight was the balls. Two stars and just a bunch of folliage.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jan 16, 2010 7:51 PM PST reply actions  

There will be bigs available

We’ll pick around 8th. Monroe, Cole Aldrich, Patrick Patterson, DeMarcus Cousins, Ed Davis, Epke Udoh, Larry Sanders – Favors will be gone by the time we pick somewhere around 8th, but some of these guys (and others) will be around.

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by section214 on Jan 16, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

8th

Just like last year when we were a lock for the 1st or 2nd pick? Anything can happen in the lottery as evident from last year

by elSAVinator on Jan 16, 2010 8:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Remember -

the guys that jumped over us last year were amongst the worse teams – their move did not impact the 8th pick. 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th – we’ll be somewhere in that range, and there will be big men available.

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by section214 on Jan 16, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

No doubt

But we have not even won a tie-breaker coin flip in the past several years. That either means that we’re due or we’re doomed.

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by section214 on Jan 17, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

We'll finish 8th

and the 9th, 10th, and 11th place teams will get the 1st, 2nd and 3rd picks.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 17, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

You better hope not, or no one will let you forget you said it first

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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by HighTops on Jan 17, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not too worried about it

to be quite honest.

Sheesh, if I predict that, I might as well go buy a lotto ticket.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 18, 2010 1:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Or we get lucky

And get the rights to Wall.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Jan 16, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry about your continued streak.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 16, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

This was one was pathetic

The other losses you could kind of sympathize with the team.

This one was almost as bad as the 2004 one.

About the only victory of the day was getting a Lakers fan to wear a Kings jersey for the day. Yes my friend is a Lakers fan and I forced a Webber jersey on him.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Jan 16, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

your friend? or acquaintance?

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by Ice_9ine on Jan 16, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Looking for sunshine

The Kings, who had been converting free throws at about a 73% clip, have converted 45 of 52 in the past two games (87%), due in part to Kevin Martin’s 17-17 from the line.

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by section214 on Jan 16, 2010 7:53 PM PST reply actions  

The Kings shoot better from the FT line around when Kevin is around?

Shocking.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

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by pookeyguru on Jan 16, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of bigs....did anyone watch Georgia Tech v NC?

Who did you like? Favors? Lawal? Henson, Davis, Patterson?

by getPGwithbounce on Jan 16, 2010 7:54 PM PST reply actions  

Ive always been a huge Lawal fan

Seems like at worst he will be a good role player and at best a quality starter. He has been playing well lately too, i believe.

"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"

-Chris Rock

by Big ZK on Jan 16, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Favors still hasn't impressed me

I don’t know what it is about him. I try to watch him whenever he plays, but he always seems to be in foul trouble or the guards never give him the ball. I realize that he has Lawal on his team, so he is a focal point, but if I didn’t know about him from draft sites, I would never think he was a NBA prospect.

by king4life on Jan 16, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I notice the freakishly long arms

but that’s about all that stands out. Lawal outworks him and out-hustles him every time I watch.

by busybe on Jan 17, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

It felt like Washington had about 10 staight scoring possessions in the 4th quarter

Thats what killed us. It was like Kings basket, Wizards basket, Kings basket, Wizards basket…… Then one time we didnt score and it all went down hill from then. And from what i could tell it wasnt even bad defense, the Wizards just would not miss. Young and Stevenson made some very tough well-defended shots. Tough loss but it was nice to see Kevin and Reke play so well together, I say we beat this team 9 times out of 10.

"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"

-Chris Rock

by Big ZK on Jan 16, 2010 8:20 PM PST reply actions  

Let's grab Jarvis Varnado w/ a late first round pick

Specialists (like brockman) can always do what they did in college in the league. He’s a decent rebounder as well.

by ucla06 on Jan 16, 2010 8:30 PM PST reply actions  

I like Varnado too

Did you see his stat line a few days ago against Arkansas? A triple double with blocks. 17 pts, 12 rebs, 10 blks. He’s averaging 11 rebs & 5 blks.

by busybe on Jan 16, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe Petrie will save us all....

We need a big. We have some parts to trade. Can Petrie do it? Fact is, Hawes and JT play too much alike one another (as has been said before here). Hawes or JT has to go, or make room for a defensive – rebounding – post liking center (if one exists). And there’s no way I want to lose JT.

by amonk81 on Jan 16, 2010 9:16 PM PST reply actions  

Step by step

We got Reke and Kevin to work together. Now we gotta get everyone else to work with those 2. We’re almost there

The future begins now...

by edm7 on Jan 16, 2010 9:23 PM PST reply actions  

they looked pretty good out there, but Reke needs to stop shooting those deep two’s and keep attacking the rim. Let Martin shoot the 3’s and mid range shots using his pumpfake to get to the line, and Reke can just bully his way to the rim like he has in the past. They should average 16-20 FT’s between the 2 if they’d stick to their strengths I would think.

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by joeytothelimit on Jan 16, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

You have to shoot the jumper occasionally to keep them honest

or it becomes harder and harder to drive, since the defender just sags farther off, daring you to shoot.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 16, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

you have to “Make” the jumper to keep them honest

I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken

by joeytothelimit on Jan 18, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Step by step is correct...

I do think we have to be patient with the Kings now that Martin is back. It may take a couple weeks to get into a rhythm, and for the players and coaches to identify their roles. I actually don’t even mind the losses because a higher pick may be had. As long as the Kings have a bright future, and they do. Some deals need to be, and will be made, as part of the rebuilding process.

by amonk81 on Jan 16, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

We need better shooting overall

This isn’t a team that can make up for a shooting slump with great defense. If we shoot in the high 40% range tonight it’s a much closer game.

I missed the game, so my judgment is based on the box score, but the shooting percentage is the one major difference between us and the Wiz tonight

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by vfettke on Jan 16, 2010 9:56 PM PST reply actions  

Side Note

That sentence is missing something painfully obvious, but the team made it painfully obvious what was missing. So I don’t know if it was a mistake or if Ziller is becoming slightly poetic with his criticisms.

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by iashwash on Jan 16, 2010 10:11 PM PST reply actions  

Let's play finish Ziller's sentence!

“…to start running the ‘Mike Brown Bermuda Triangle Offense.’”
“…to pass up more shots than Gilbert’s unloaded pistol collection.”
etc.

by TheJust on Jan 16, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

its like grant and jerry were talking about after 76ers game

Having a big scorer like Martin comeback after being away is good and tough on the kings. The good part is we get our leading scorer, veteran, and game finisher back. On the tough side, now everyone’s minutes will be affected and players have to get adjusted to playing with Kevin. In about 3-4 more games the team should be in more rhythm, and we will definitely not come up empty on this road trip. Just my thoughts.

by MexicanSKFan2Death on Jan 16, 2010 10:28 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Here are my thoughts

Its not Tyreke and Kevin we should worry about playing together. It’s the rest of the team learning to play with Tyreke and Kevin. Tyreke and Kevin are by far the most talented players on the team, and since their games perfectly complement each other, it makes sense that since Martin’s return (albeit only two games), they have been the only ones meshing. The others are still getting a feel for having Kevin on the court and it will take them a bit to adjust to having another player of his caliber on the team. I’m not too worried about them figuring it out. What I am worried about is us going 0-6 on this road trip. We just dropped the two easiest games of this trip. Charlotte is the next easiest, but their defense is absolutely superb and our offense has been decidedly subpar as of late.

I think at best we’ll go 2-4 on the road trip, but I’m thinking its going to be 1-5 with the lone win in Miami.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 16, 2010 11:17 PM PST reply actions  

Better set the expectations at 0-6 at this point

and be pleasantly surprised if it’s better,

by TheJust on Jan 16, 2010 11:27 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I would agree..

I would also add that there are probably a few other things going on.

Fatigue, these guys are just getting tired. They are young and the new guys are hitting the point where college games would be wrapping up and there would not be anymore games. Omri is looking tired and so is Evans. JT is even looking a bit tired. The only real fresh players seem to be Spencer, Brockman, and the rest of the bench.

The other players may also feel like ‘oh KM is back, we can relax’… I don’t know if this is completely true as they were kind of starting to miss a lot of shots before he came back, but this has to have some impact. I could see them thinking they can sit back now…

I agree that 1-5 makes sense. God that sucks!

by MustangMBS on Jan 17, 2010 12:14 AM PST up reply actions  

A little early

to be saying Ty and Martin’s games “perfectly complement” each other.

"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken

by thelettere on Jan 17, 2010 3:58 AM PST up reply actions  

One thing I like about last night

Tyreke was making a concerted effort to always know where Kevin was and get him the ball.

Kevin missed several wide open shots from Tyreke passes that are 75%+ shots for him normally.

Keep finding him Tyreke, Kevin will make it pay off.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Jan 17, 2010 6:32 AM PST up reply actions  

The team

has to adjust, they aren’t going to receive the ball as much as they used too, idk if that is a good or a positive.

KMart is taking shots away from the other players, but wouldn’t you trust a healthy KMart shot over some of the others??

In the end aslong as everyone is still developing and playing well together (which should bring wins) then I am ok with that.

saw this coming...

by anthonysam on Jan 17, 2010 12:01 AM PST reply actions  

So we're what? around 5 or 6 games better off at this point then we were

last season when we were the worst team in the league? But now we got two of the top 3 rookies in the draft? One who was on track to finish avg 25, 5 and 5, putting him in Jordan/Oscar elite company? Really?
Hm. I wonder if they’ll make a big change this season, or next?
Missed Noce tonight for his D, smarts, and tough presence at times.
I agree with the relaxation point, and was about to post:
Seems like, when Kmart and Cisco went down, the whole team played better because they all knew they would get minutes, have to pull their weight and step up. And now when the “old star” comes back to join the “new star”—there has to be some kind of subliminal relaxation, or plain just bummed b/c they know they have to defer minutes and shots—especially on a team not known for its passing skills.
At this point, I could care less about excuses or blame or how long it takes to gel—I just want to get my money’s worth and see the team that competed and was fun to watch again. That is starting to feel like a mirage already.

by VirginiaBlue on Jan 17, 2010 12:17 AM PST reply actions  

Then stop watching

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by Aykis16 on Jan 17, 2010 12:46 AM PST up reply actions  

@Aykis ... Nah. Emotional, kneejerk reaction much?

Ive been a Kings fan and watching prob a lot longer than you. And for the last 6 years Ive paid something to watch every game through league pass.
Statheads and irrational fanboys (“But Webber, he’s a superstar … they can’t trade him!! Wah”) come and go. Think ill just wait for the Kevin jock riders to be silenced when Petrie makes a move and they finally wake up and realize the team’s better off playing D, passing, keeping uptempo run and gun style without him gumming up the works with his limited, ugly-ass game.

by VirginiaBlue on Jan 17, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I worry the relaxation theory

may be right on the mark for Beno – but for other players like JT and Casspi, it makes no sense (they are both still starting and getting near the minutes they got pre-Martin).

I think their struggles have more to do with adjusting to a new player on the court (Martin), and also to a lack of adjustment to opposing defenses’ adjustments. The second point especially applies to Casspi, who had a 14 game streak where he was averaging close to 20 points a game. In the 5 games since, he’s shot 16 for 50 (34%).

So either teams have been playing him better, or he’s simply hit a cold stretch. Either way, I trust Casspi will come out of it. 14 games is not a fluke.

"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken

by thelettere on Jan 17, 2010 4:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I really want Hawes to succeed

but it has been brutally painful to watch him mature as a player. Tonight was just unbearable with bad shots and turnovers almost every time he touched the ball. It seems he has one good game for every three or four horrible games. It has become quite evident that he is not the long term answer for the starting center position.

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by kangsfan on Jan 17, 2010 12:41 AM PST reply actions  

Probably not...

…unless he turns into Rik Smits at some point. That’s the best ceiling analogy I can come up with for Spence.

by corbin on Jan 17, 2010 1:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm going to make a Fanpost about this eventually

but if you compare this season for Spencer to other 21 year old seven footers, the best statistical fits for Spencer in my opinion range from:

Brad Daugherty (this would be best case scenario minus the injuries)
Andrew Bogut (lots of similarities, Bogut at 21 is a little better at everything than Spencer)

-Spencer is about here statistically-

Nenad Krstic (probably the low end possibility for where Spencer’s career might go)

The guy we remember and occasionally compare Spencer too, Vlade was really a different guy at age 21 than he turned into. Vlade at 21 was solid rebounder, put backs, energy guy. The passing and all of the things we remember about Divac came later, and as he got all of those skills, his traditional center stats (rebounding) diminished.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Jan 17, 2010 6:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think the Kings can ever be winners with Kevin Martin as a starter...

They’re now 1-7 with K-mart in the lineup. He’s still shooting under 42%.. seems to bring down most of his teammates’ confidence and energy when he’s on the floor.. he lacks toughness, he’s apathetic on defense. It doesn’t seem like his teammates have fun playing with him.
Stellar free throw shooting doesn’t make up for being an all-around chemistry killer.

Donte Greene, Jon Brockman, Beno Udrih, Tyreke Evans, Omri Casspi, Jason Thompson- Those are the only keepers. If Spencer Hawes can learn not to get stripped every time he goes to the basket, he’d be great coming off the bench.

by bob cc on Jan 17, 2010 2:03 AM PST reply actions  

To add to the painfull truth

I have to agree. KM’s return shows what? That he can score whenever he’s free, that he can draw lots of fouls from anyone (like a feather in the wind..), that he contributes almost nothing on defense, that since he’s back the team didn’t reach 90 points against 2 of the weakest teams in the east (although everyone around promised he’ll upgrade our offense, especially at the end of games), that he’s teammates are completely lost in the game (don’t blame fatigue, nor lack of adjustment, Casspi, Greene, Brockman etc. are all passion motivated players – if they’re not a part of the game they’re not there at all). Hawes/JT guard the wind and K-Mart guard himself… Trade him fast or let him come off the bench for quick points when needed (if he can adjust).
The team looks disastrous

by 4DAvatar on Jan 17, 2010 5:37 AM PST up reply actions  

The team started tanking well before KM got back

You guys are forgetting some of the losses from before. The Kings offense hasn’t been hitting for a while. KM is coming back into a situation where there was already issues going on and young players getting fatigued.

Also, his defense is really improving this year because he now has two solid ankles.

by MustangMBS on Jan 17, 2010 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

True and not so true

Don’t mix between three major problems: The lack of a big man and playing Tyreke as PG were problems which existed from the beginning. K-Mart is another kind of a problem. Improving or not, he should have been THE star, the ex-factor, the one who makes his teammates better. He doesn’t/can’t do that.
The first two problems can be fixed with a proper trade, the third one can’t be solved (the nature of the player). So look at the equation and see the result. Trade problem three for problems one & two.

by 4DAvatar on Jan 17, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Hopefully

logic and cause and effect aren’t skills you use a lot to make a living.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Jan 17, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe it was too sophisticated for some...

As long as the trade (if it happens) brings a big man and a defensive PG, I’ll live with my deficiencies.

by 4DAvatar on Jan 17, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

In two or three years

we’ll have one of the best defensive PGs in the NBA, his name is Tyreke Evans.

We’ll also have time to see how the big guys on our team are growing and drafts/free agents/etc over that time. The Kings need more talented players to be good, its going to take some time.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Jan 17, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Another option

Which big guys do you anticipate will grow, and to what exactly? JT will be a decent PF, Hawes? May? We have no big men. As much as I think Hawes is very intelligent and very young, toughness and aggressiveness aren’t something you teach. As for the future, if we can’t trade now, than OK, wait, but if you can trade, than now is better than next year.

by 4DAvatar on Jan 17, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

There are lots of things wrong here

You’re best scorer isn’t a problem on a team. To say that KMart is a problems displays an amazing quality I am unsure how to describe… The only time KMart would be a problem is if he tried to take over a game and win it himself. The Kings would lose. They need every player in top form and scoring. K@be learned this lesson and Iverson didn’t for too long. Just having one primary scorer taking over a game and winning it doesn’t work in this league. Period.

The biggest problem with this team is youth and talent. Talent has to be developed and the team is young. Tons of potential that needs to be developed. Kevin Martin is the most developed talent on this team. Other players have to get there. We have great talent, but they have not got there yet.

Also, Kevin Martin is not a PG, he is a SG and is not expected to make his teammates better. He is expected to shoot and drive to the hoop. Understanding that he knows his role and plays it well would be a good place to start for anyone. Also, Tyreke Evans is a PG and he is a defensive presence that changes the game. You seem to infer otherwise.

by MustangMBS on Jan 17, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

In two years, there's every reason to believe Hawes could be an average NBA center

and I compared JT to Antonio McDyess at this time last year, which I still think is about right. Some people are ready to give up on Hawes, I’m not yet.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Jan 17, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Hawes

I didn’t say give up on him, but again, he may become wiser, more experienced but not more aggressive. He’s just not that kind of a player. You may play him next to a massive, tough PF (Brockman like with additional 2-3 more inches), which we lack as well. The Kings need a BIG (6"10+, 260+) defensive guy, otherwise we’ll always be contested underneath the basket.

by 4DAvatar on Jan 17, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Unless

he is playing for someone else as he achieves the key goal of the Blueprint, the contract., as he was quoted in the Philly paper.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 17, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we got him for 3 years after that

on his rookie contract. That’s off the top of my head, I’m definitely no expert on the subject

The future begins now...

by edm7 on Jan 17, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

We can have Evans

for a minimum of five years if you go all the way through his QO year. After that, we can pay him more than anyone else, at least per the current CBA.

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by section214 on Jan 17, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank section

I was too lazy to look it up. So then, yes, Tyreke will be a King for a minimum of 5 years, and hopefully 5 more after we give him a max contract.

The future begins now...

by edm7 on Jan 17, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

That's also not something teams are clamoring to change in the CBA

Mostly what they are trying to do right now is lower the % of BRI going to the players to 50% or if they can, 48%. It’s currently at 57%.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 17, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Um

Where is Sergio? Kings need a point guard that can get run the offense with the dribble and get out on the break and run. Too much iso with Evans/Udrih and Martin

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Jan 17, 2010 2:55 AM PST reply actions  

Too many players

Not enough time. I really think – right or wrong – Sergio is going to be dealt before the deadline. It’s either him or Beno – and each players respective minutes reveals which direction the organization is leaning towards.

Recall that Sergio’s frustration with his lack of PT in Portland is said to have been a big reason for their getting rid of him.

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-H.L. Mencken

by thelettere on Jan 17, 2010 4:24 AM PST up reply actions  

human nature?

      If I am Casspi, Green, Beno, or Brockman here is my sick thinking. We more than held the fort down while you were hurt again and you just step in and start? Oh, let me welcome you back so I can spend more minutes on the bench. Frustrations set in.
      Just because you get a leading scorer back does make everything all rosy. Do you think Orlando would rather have Vince or Hedo now? Vince scores more points, big deal.
      If Washington called and said Haywood and Young for Martin, I’m pulling the trigger.
      I’m not buying all the hype about Martin and Evans and the great backcourt pair they can make. I would prefer a Doug Christie type shooting guard who will defend, take a charge, and make the bullet pass from the top of the key to under the basket.
      More scorers and more offense do not solve everything. If they did, Phoenix would have would several rings by now.
      Hell, I’m frustrated. Better shut up before I make more stupid comments

by noreboundsnorings on Jan 17, 2010 9:14 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Ye, Me too

Let’s see Martin comes off the bench and prove he can knock his shots from there. His reaction after the game was pathetic!! (in general – all is well, it will take some time… hey, but I’m back).

by 4DAvatar on Jan 17, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Confused

The Kings were 2-8 in their last 10 before Martin’s return. So why do we not change things?

The Kings were 3-13 road before this road trip? So why do not change things?

The Kings lost to Philly at home, and Evans picked Arenas’ pocket to seal the win against the Wizards at ARCO. So why do we not change things?

If we can get a very, very good big for Martin, I’m all for the deal. Until that happens, he is one of our top two players, and him being on the floor gives us a greater chance of victory.

Martin > Greene, Martin > Udrih, Martin > Casspi, Martin > Udoka, Martin > Garcia. He is our best 2 guard. Even with an off-shooting night, he still had the best true shooting percentage of any of the starters. The Kings did not lose last night because of Kevin Martin, but in spite of him.

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by section214 on Jan 17, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

The Kings are 14-17 this season WITHOUT Martin.

They’re tanking right now, sure, and with Martin back they’ve only gotten worse. Couldn’t even break 90 points for two consecutive games.

K-mart should be coming off the bench when the Kings need guaranteed free throws; That’s really the only way he can contribute.

by Mike11188 on Jan 17, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Uneven sampling

5 of Martin’s 7 games have been road games, and Martin missed the softest part of the schedule. Maybe we should blame the KIngs losing 8 of 10 prior to Martin’s return on Martin, too. Sure, the team was so worried about his return that they started dropping games, right?

I find it amazing that you would designate Martin as a free throw specialist when he is easily the most effecient offensive weapon that this team has.

Oh, and just because you post as Mike11188 and bobcc does not mean that your opinion will carry twice as much weight.

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by section214 on Jan 17, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

"Oh, and just because you post as Mike11188 and bobcc does not mean that your opinion will carry twice as much weight."

That’s entirely true. I only use whatever e-mail account I’m currently logged in with (pseudonyms and all); not caring which. It will calm your suspicions of conspiracy to remember that this is just basketball we’re talking about… and Geoff Petrie, the Maloofs, Paul Westphal, or anyone else whose decision is worth influencing has better things to do than follow this thread.

by Mike11188 on Jan 17, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

It has nothing to do with them -

It simply has to do with this site, where virtually everyone uses one name to give their opinions. Believe me, I have zero worries that your opinions will carry any weight with the Kings.

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by section214 on Jan 17, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Well I have two e-mail accounts, I'm new to this site, didn't think it mattered; not trying to be sneaky or anything.

Anyways, the Kings lost to NO and MEM early in the season with K-mart.. then beat them without him in the next couple weeks.. I don’t think it’s really skewed all that much.

I’m trying to find out what their road record is with and without Martin.

by Mike11188 on Jan 17, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually

they beat Memphis with Martin and lost without him, but let’s not get caught up in facts. And they lost at New Orleans with him and without him, but they did beat New Orleans (minus Chris Paul and Peja Stojakovic) at home.

The Kings are 0-5 road with Martin, and 1-1 home.

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by section214 on Jan 17, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, not Memphis. Oklahoma City Thunder.

And the Kings’ road record without Martin is…?

by Mike11188 on Jan 17, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

This information is available on the internet

Its not section’s job to spoon feed you common sense.

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by ForThree on Jan 17, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

OKC

The loss with Martin was @ OKC, the win was at home without Martin.

The Kings are 3-10 on the road without Martin.

If it is your contention that the Kings should not play Martin based on a 23% road winning percentage without him, then go right ahead. This is the type of brilliance that would have the Nets sitting Brook Lopez, in my opnion.

I’m going to leave you to carry this conversation, as I do not see your point as valid and don’t believe that I ever will.

Trade Martin for stud help up front? I’m in. Bench our best or second best player because of what you have laid out? Ludicrous.

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by section214 on Jan 17, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Hopefully we agree that Kevin Martin needs to bring up his current FG%.

41% is pathetic.

I think he’s a chemistry-killer and liability on defense; you think otherwise. Fine.

by Mike11188 on Jan 17, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree regarding the FG%

That said, his true shooting percentage is 57% (tops on the team). So even at his current percentage, he is still the most efficient scoring threat on the team. Go figure.

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by section214 on Jan 17, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

TS% is just nerd stats.

How dare you cite that as evidence?

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by pookeyguru on Jan 17, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

(I would point out that Martin has had a much lower FG% since he started taking more 3's.)

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by pookeyguru on Jan 17, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

You're right, it's not "pathetic" per se.

I only just now noticed his 3PT% is high. 41% overall FG% is certainly “not good” though.

by Mike11188 on Jan 17, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

He's at 45% FG for his career

and 41% after 7 games this season. I think he’ll be alright. Plus I’d probably look at his TS% a bit more as that is what shows you how efficient he is.

I think the other guys also need to step up a bit. It’s a team game after all

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by edm7 on Jan 17, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Again, small sample size.

You’re basing everything on seven games. Two of which are him coming off of an injury, and two of which were him playing injured.

All of them were with a rookie starting point guard.

And also again, he is playing good defense this season, as opposed to last season when he was playing on a weak ankle and had no lateral movement.

I can see you don’t like the guy, but come on. Martin is our most efficient scorer.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 17, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey now!

How dare you make a logical argument. You’re a woman!

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by pookeyguru on Jan 17, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, seven games is a lot for a fragile guy

who misses 25-30 games every season due to injury.

And he takes 20 shots per game- granted, 7 of those shots are 3-pointers (an impressive 46% of which have fallen).

That 41% needs to go up. All I’m sayin’.

by Mike11188 on Jan 17, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Do FT's count as FG%?

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by pookeyguru on Jan 17, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Or Count toward FG%?

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by pookeyguru on Jan 17, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

So if I start posting under a different name...

…you won’t be worried?

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by pookeyguru on Jan 17, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

What are you going to come up with -

A bizarro pookey?

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by section214 on Jan 17, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought about being nice and considerate of all others.

Then I’d start making my basketball points and I’d give myself away.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 17, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Held the fort down?

We were 6 games below .500 before K-Mart’s return. Some people need to temper their expectations. In the West, you have to be really good to make the playoffs and we are not there yet! I believe we have the 3rd youngest roster in the league and probably the most inexpierenced team. Enjoy watching this team grow because the future seems a lot brighter then it did this time last year

by Doors Open on Jan 17, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Have you watched Kevin Martin play the last two games?

Because I’m seeing an awful lot of good defense from a guy you all are saying can’t defend.

Excuse me, but I do believe that he held AI in check in Philly for most of the night.

AI. As in, Allen Iverson.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 17, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Iverson shot 42.8% that game.

That’s actually higher than his (very lackluster) career average.

I thought it’s obvious in K-mart’s body language how little he cares about defense.. team defense, individual defense- I just don’t see the effort.

Donte Greene is the polar opposite.

by Mike11188 on Jan 17, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Confirming -

The Kings, who were the 4th worst team for points allowed while Martin was out, is going to be hurt by Martin returning to the lineup?

Riiiiight.

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by section214 on Jan 17, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you really suggesting we start Donté over KMart?

Really?

I don’t care who you are. If you know anything about the game, that’s plain stupid.

Offer KMart and Donté to any team in the league. Any. They take Martin without a second thought.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 17, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know

Some teams could use Donte’s skills more than Kevin’s.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 17, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Syracuse and the Reno Bighorns

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by section214 on Jan 17, 2010 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

The Knicks & the Nets.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 17, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

And I love Kevin & I agree with your argument LPA.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 17, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Knicks & Nets?

The Nets have Courtney Lee (11+ ppg) and the Knicks have Larry Hughes (10ppg). Both are terrible from three. You think they’d take Donté’s erratic performances over a 20+ ppg two guard?

I know they don’t struggle scoring points, but come on. No way.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 17, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

You win.

I’m not arguing this to be a devils advocate.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 17, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

In my opinion, Donte Greene has the potential to be a much better all-around player/teammate than K-mart will ever be.

Greene cares about playing defense and gets the job done.
He gets his teammates excited and having fun.
The chemistry is there with Tyreke, and at 21 years old,
I think he could be an all-star at his peak.

by Mike11188 on Jan 17, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with a lot you say Mike

How about this one? We keep them both and we have a great scorer and the potential of a great all-around player. Wouldn’t that be awesome?

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by edm7 on Jan 17, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I just want to see this team succeed

and I can’t see that happening with K-mart as a starter. If he stays, I’d very much hope I’m wrong.

by Mike11188 on Jan 17, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Because he keeps seeing the Kings lose when Kevin plays.....

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by pookeyguru on Jan 17, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Besides his apathy on defense,

There’s a lot less ball movement when Kevin’s in the game. He doesn’t seem to care nearly enough about getting his teammates involved, and doesn’t reciprocate his scoring in other areas. He’s one-dimensional.

The Kings are already a good offensive team without Kevin Martin; they just need more low-post presence and to learn how to close out games. I don’t see what K-mart offers them other than his free-throw shooting. Their offense isn’t going to get better by concentrating 30 points per game to one player.

It’s not so much about starting as it is about adjusting his role. I misspoke. He needs to pass the ball more, even if that means taking a lot fewer shots. If he’s willing to do that for the sake of the team, maybe it can work out.

by Mike11188 on Jan 18, 2010 3:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Uhm

You do realize that the lack of ball movement was one of the biggest problems on this squad prior to Kevin’s return…right?

Sorry, if you think Kevin shoots too much, that means your basketball knowledge is impotent. Out of the 20+ point scorers in the league last season (27 of them), only four did it on fewer field goal attempts per game. And the year before? Only two players averaged 20 points per game on less shots than Kevin Martin.

Complain about anything other than Kevin’s offense, but the stats show that he is one of the best offensive players in this league. If anything, he should be taking MORE shots.

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by otis29 on Jan 18, 2010 6:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh there's plenty of ball movement.

It’s just sloppy. But the first step is to rotate the ball, which they do.

by Mike11188 on Jan 18, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

All right I'm fooled

I figured you were a run of the mill troll and was going to ignore you, but you’ve at least put some thought and work into your point, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.

The other side of the argument is:

1) Kevin’s injurys don’t neccessarily mean he will be injured again, and they haven’t been permanent types of things. He hasn’t had reconstructive knee surgery or something like that which would cause him to lose a step.

2) Kevin has tried on defense this year, not playing on a bum ankle is probably a contributing factor. With Tyreke and Donte/Casspi, Kevin will be asked to guard the 3rd best little guy, a job he can certainly handle.

3) Donte and Tyreke have good chemistry because Donte’s game is so limited. All he does well on offense is dunk and shoot wide open 3s, its easy to have good chemistry with a player like that. Donte is getting tons better, but we’ll be pretty lucky if he turns out as good as Kevin. Its not outside the realm of possibility, but we’d be fortunate if it happens.

4) The Kings are a really bad offensive team without Kevin. The evidence is most 4th quarters, when NBA teams actually bother to play defense, are a complete disaster for our guys. Without Kevin, there is Tyreke, who we rely on way too heavily, Beno, who is having his best season but still not a killer go to guy, Casspi who makes an open shot but won’t be able to create one, and two young big guys learning their way in the NBA, neither of which have a go to move for points. Kevin is needed as a second legitimate weapon that can get a shot against good defense.

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by ForThree on Jan 18, 2010 6:11 AM PST up reply actions  

What the hell is going on around here?

Are the sacbee ‘contributors’ invading StR??

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by edm7 on Jan 17, 2010 6:51 PM PST reply actions  

When haven't they?

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by pookeyguru on Jan 17, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

But they are coming in full force now

I guess it’ll die down, it’s just annoying.

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by edm7 on Jan 17, 2010 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Why do you think I don't respond to them anymore?

Because it’s just not worth it.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 17, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm on the same boat

But lately it’s like they are trying to out-dumb each other. It’s truly amazing

The future begins now...

by edm7 on Jan 17, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Someone point this one out to Aykis

for post of the week.

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by ForThree on Jan 17, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

You don't think the Democrats or Republicans are behind this do you?

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by pookeyguru on Jan 17, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

No its those damn Libertarians!

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Jan 18, 2010 1:04 AM PST up reply actions  

The view from Section 114

This was the only game this season I’ll attend, so forgive me if I get somewhat long-winded in sharing thoughts and impressions.

Overall: It seemed like a very lethargic game; the only people on either side who struck me as playing with great energy were Greene, Nick Young, and Earl Boykins. There were a number of balls going out of bounds that might have been saved by diving, but I didn’t see anyone hit the floor. I was hoping that part of our new tough scrappy identity would be a bobbyjacksonesque willingness to do anything for a loose ball, but I didn’t see that in effect. Perhaps I should chalk that up to the fact that both teams had just played the night before.

Tyreke Evans: In the first quarter, we were down 6-14. Sacramento called time out, then Tyreke then went on a personal 9-2 run (as in, he scored the next 9 Kings points while the Wizards only answered with 2). During that run, he went behind his back in traffic on a drive that drew ooh’s from the Washington crowd. To see this coming from one of the youngest rookies in the league is just beautiful. There was no other stretch in the game when he was this impressive, but he looked like an all-star then.

He is certainly a competent ball handler (aside from the fact that he carries his dribble a little high at times), and by that measure he could certainly be our point guard if we want him to. But it seems like he tends to walk the ball up court (I remember only one possession when he jogged it up court, and that was in the final two minutes of the game) and it sometimes takes a while for him to initiate offensive sets. There are some advantages to taking your time (less risk of turnovers), but I feel like there’s more good in getting into an offensive set quickly (the chance to reset a broken play without a 24-second violation, a better chance at catching the defense off guard or forcing mismatches). I think that if the team ever moves Tyreke to full-time 2-guard, it will be because they feel that someone else can consistently initiate effective offensive sets more quickly without draining Tyreke’s energy too much.

Kevin Martin: Again, what impressed me more than anything about him was how smart he is— he always knows how to make the high-yield easy plays. Once in the second quarter, there was a Sacramento missed shot. It looked like Washington had the rebound, but they were bobbling it. Most of both teams started moving to the other end of the court, but a few seconds later, Evans came up with the ball. Kevin was standing under the basket for the easy lay-up. He always seems to make intelligent plays, and that is as much of a skill as his shooting prowess.

He certainly seemed to play unselfishly— he consistently passed the ball quickly when he didn’t have a great look at a shot or a drive. Still, he used up a lot of offensive possessions— 17 shots plus five possessions in which he drew fouls (not and-ones). This was the most on the team— Evans used 21 possessions. I consider myself to be in the pro-Kevin Martin camp, but I would like him best if he weren’t our first offensive option. I feel that his skills— using his cleverness and shooting to exploit holes in the unsuspecting defense— are best used when the defense is primarily keying in on someone else on any given possession. There is strong consensus on this site that in a perfect world, Kevin Martin should be a second banana, but I have seen little definition of exactly what that should mean. I would like to suggest that it not only means that someone else should be the vocal leader, but also that someone else should be taking more shots on a consistent basis. I don’t mean he should be an offensive afterthought, but that I’d rather see him using 15 possessions a game than 20. This will allow Kevin to be even more efficient when he does shoot.

No look at Martin would be complete without a few words about defense. There were very few plays when he impressed me as either good or bad on that end of the floor. Once, he was alone in the corner with Nick Young and did a very poor job of positioning himself to seal off the baseline. Overall, though, he didn’t strike me as a glaring liability.

Hawes: I still like him and I still could see him grow into being a starter on a contending team. Twice, he got the ball low in awkward position with weird angles, and he deftly put it in, showing touch that not many big men have. The fact that he has great footwork and great touch down low at the age of 21 (aside from being a good shooter and passer) gives me hope that if he can grow in some of his many weaknesses (rebounding, strength/conditioning, turnovers, the propensity to try to do too much, the propensity to get down when things don’t go well), he’ll become a valuable contributor. All of this depends on him to start to approach the game (and his offseason preparation) with a higher level of commitment and seriousness than we’ve seen from him in the past. I think this is not only possible but likely for a 21-year-old. We need him to turn that corner, but it’s a corner that can be turned.

Thompson: Here (as in my view of Hawes), I think my view is in the minority here. I love JT as hustle, muscle, and rebounding off the bench. I don’t love him as an eventual starting 4 on a contender. Perhaps this is because I see too much of my own game in him.

I’m a little over 6’6", so I’m one of the tallest guys on the average pick-up court. I play with a lot of energy down low, so I tend to earn my keep with points and rebounds. But then when I’m matched up against someone who really knows the game (like, someone who played serious college ball), they can absolutely shut me down.

I feel like JT earns his points and rebounds by being tall, strong, and energetic. That will be enough in the average game against Philly in January, and he will have enough of those games to have very good season averages if he plays a starter’s minutes. But if we ever go deep in the playoffs, he will be matched up against some of the league’s better bigs in games that really matter. I feel that the things he does well are able to be neutralized in these kinds of games, when it matters most.

Does this mean I hate him or think we should get rid of him? No. Someone on this site (was it Ayksis?) has likened him to Antonio McDyess. McDyess was a hugely important cog for the contending Pistons— off the bench. I just feel that we’re in more need of a long-term solution to start at the four than at the five. I mean, JT will be 24 this summer. Don’t most very good power forwards show more than this by the time they’re 24?

Back to the game at hand.

Casspi: I think I saw about four Israeli flags around the stadium. Casspi will probably have a devoted contingent of fans at every arena in the league. He seems like he’d be a fan favorite in Sacramento regardless of his nationality.

Greene: Last year, Greene was matched up against Antawn Jamison at the 4 for a few defensive possessions. Jamison abused Greene to the point where it wasn’t funny. On Saturday, Greene was matched up on Jamison for two defensive possessions at the end of the game. Jamison scored both times (taking it from a two-point Washington lead with under two minutes to go to a six-point Washington lead with under a minute to go), but at least it didn’t look as easy this time. Donté then responded by missing a 3.

He did show encouraging signs throughout, though, from an improving shot selection to a budding understanding of how to use his energy within the team’s defensive and offensive schemes. His ’oop from Tyreke at the end of the first half was awesome. I continue to love Greene, but (as with Spencer) I love him for what I hope he will become rather than for what he already is.

Udoka: Every time I saw him, this was all I could think of.

Washington: Bill Simmons recently wrote:

Only one ticket-related statistic matters in professional sports: net gate receipts. (The attendance number doesn’t matter because it’s so easy to manipulate; teams either fib or boost the total by giving tickets away for absurdly low prices, hoping to recoup some of it through concessions and merchandise sales.)

I went to this game because a friend from church who goes to a number of Wizards games had received some sort of complimentary customer’s appreciation pass for two seats at the WAS-SAC game. My wife and I went, and they gave us the best two tickets I’ve ever had— $99 dollar seats in the middle of the lower deck. There was a sizable pile of redeemed certificates for complimentary tickets. I’m sure this is happening all over the country, but the team finances can’t be doing well.

Building on my admiration that began at the WAS-SAC game last year, I would love to have JaVale McGee. He’s young and he changed the game defensively when he was in. He had four blocks in 13 minutes, and he would have had a fifth if it weren’t for Evans’ brilliance in drawing a foul from a good shot blocker. His ‘oop coming out of a time out was almost as awesome as Greene’s ’oop. He still has to figure it out offensively, but he has all the tools plus a great attitude.

Some commenter above said they’d trade Martin for Haywood and Young. Personally, I’m not sure if I’d want those two for free. Haywood is an effective center, but he’s 30 and he looks like he’s goofing off while he’s on the court. Nick Young scores points, but I can’t remember ever seeing him doing anything well besides isolation plays. If Washington were ever listening to offers for McGee, though, I’d hope Petrie would at least give it a try.

by twasserm on Jan 18, 2010 7:47 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

You should have made this a FanPost

to make sure more people read it. Great write up, and in depth thoughts on our guys.

Write more twasserm, we can always use more people that pay close attention like this to games.

I agree with all of your characterizations except Kevin’s a little bit. We’d have to be a really, really good team to want Martin shooting less in my opinion, because he is so efficient. My only qualm with Kevin is when he starts playing the whistle rather than playing the game. As long as he does his thing and tries to make shots rather than draw fouls, he’s great, and gets plenty of foul calls anyway.

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by ForThree on Jan 18, 2010 8:20 AM PST up reply actions  

knowing what you know twasserm, what would you want from the Kings in return for McGee

because I agree, he was a game changer, decent hands, raw on offense, goes after every ball on defense

by betweentheeyes on Jan 18, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Hard to say what we have that they'd want.

As an initial offer, I’d dangle either Casspi or Greene (love ‘em both, but you’ve got to give something to get something) plus a first round pick, lottery protected 2010, top-10 protected 2011, top-3 protected 2012, unprotected 2013.

Small forward might be one of their strongest positions, so we’d probably need to offer something else. The’re weak at the point guard; if they’d consider Sergio plus a first rounder with the same protections, I’d be happy. Or, if they like Beno, perhaps Udrih and Brockman for McGee and Mike James?

Really, there’s probably no good way to make this trade work for both teams. I’m just saying I’d love McGee.

by twasserm on Jan 22, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

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