Post-Game Thread: Kings at Bobcats
by Tom Ziller on Jan 18, 2010 1:39 PM PST
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L's in Philly Washington Charlotte
If the Kings manage to play with the same bubbling chemistry in the 2nd half of the Charlotte game. I’d expect competitive outcomes in Atlanta, Orlando, and Miami.
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HIs dome piece when I'm done stomping it.
Man that guy never fails to screw us.
His pipes are clogged.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jan 18, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
No, no...
You’ve got it confused. When Bavetta comes to YOUR house, you can be pretty sure something needs fixing.
by unfair weather on Jan 18, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sure if something needs fixing
Dick Bavetta can fix it. Look at all the other things he’s fixed!
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 19, 2010 7:45 AM PST up reply actions
Never go to his house...looks like the old guy from Family Guy..
…more touch fouls..
by getPGwithbounce on Jan 18, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Eeeeww
Illegal use of the hands
"HARK! BUT LOOK OVER HERE, IT'S A COST CONTROLLED COCO CRISP! DOES MY USE OF ALLITERATION HYPNOTIZE YOU?" (PL78)
by CaliforniaJag on Jan 18, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
I read a stat somewhere once...
…back in 04-05 timeframe, and they did a team’s winning percentage in the playoffs by referree…I wasn’t shocked, but the Kings were like 1-11 or something like that whenever Bavetta officiated a Kings game in the playoffs at that point. Based on anecdotal evidence here, I’d say that winning percentage has gotten worse since then. It was EASILY the worst record of any team to any official by a LONG SHOT.
Noc. is an engima to me.
In the same game he has the ability to be incredibly clutch and choke.
Not hitting every shot is choking?
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jan 18, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
No, missing easy layups and poor shot slection is choking.
by Webber's Ankle on Jan 18, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
No
but I’d rather have Tyreke driving to the basket for a contested layup then Noc any day of the week
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So, Noc is driving clear to the hoop, and he should start looking around for someone else to pass to?
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
I was only half paying attention
but I recall one layup attempt in a lot of traffic that he shouldn’t have taken
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Noc took some off balance contested shots. He also missed a very easy transition layup.
And yes, Tyreke had some pretty poor shot selection in the previous games. Not tonight.
by Webber's Ankle on Jan 18, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
But he was a choke artist in those games by your definition, right?
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
The Philly and Orlando games were hardly contested in the 4th quarter
And Tyreke frankly blew in the Philly game and didn’t show up in the 4th of the Orlando game.
Against the Wizards, in the 4th, I’d say you’d be crazy to say that he was even mediocre.
by Webber's Ankle on Jan 18, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
Now Sim's,
lets not be combatitive. Everyone’s opinion matters.
Spread the Love
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You shouldn't say that
As an admin you can compare IP addresses and actually know who that is.
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Perhaps I'll let you think I have this power.
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Only 214 & Tz have that power IW.
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And I know who it is,
but I’m not ratting him/her/it out…yet.
And it’s not me, by the way.
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And 214 can verify that it is also not me.
I will admit I thought it was 214 at first.
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I'm happy for you.
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No... I AM!
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by tomroadrunner on Jan 18, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
I see my man finally logged in a Nocioni-type game
13 pts, 5-11, 3-7 from 3pts, 1 reb, 1 assist, 1 block on 22 mins of action. Nice!
Still we lost so… BOO!
There can only be one Noce!
by NoceOne on Jan 18, 2010 11:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He also made two big threes
in the 13-0 run that got us to within one and gave us some hope. Unfortunately, he also missed a layup and a tough in-traffic runner in the last couple of minutes.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 19, 2010 8:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's me
No it isn’t.
Yes it is.
Sorry, I’m having a polite disagreement with me; see other thread.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jan 18, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
Jordan did it, too. Get a fucking grip, you whiny asses.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Of course Jordan missed shots.
So does Tyreke but they are generally consistent in their performance down the stretch of a single game. I was simply pointing out that in a span of 1 minute, Noc. goes from hitting 2 key three pointers to bricking a layup and taking a couple stupid shots.
by Webber's Ankle on Jan 18, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
You understand "generally consistent" is an oxymoron, right?
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Omit the word "generally" and I still stand by it.
by Webber's Ankle on Jan 18, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not the one who put it there.
A guy has an open shot, he takes it, end of story. No one hits them all, and we don’t even have anyone hitting half of them, aside from Beno.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
I'd love for Noc. to take open shots but that's not what we're arguing about.
by Webber's Ankle on Jan 18, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
Who said that again?
No, missing easy layups and poor shot slection is choking.
by Webber’s Ankle on Jan 18, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
How is poor shot selection an open shot?
by Webber's Ankle on Jan 18, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
An easy layup isn't open?
I love ya, but you’re bad at this.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Missing an easy layup in crunchtime is choking for anyone, even Jordan.
by Webber's Ankle on Jan 18, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Then Tyreke is a choker.
Honestly, your name tells us your intent.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
And no where am I saying he shouldn't take the easy layups?
He obviously should be taking them and he should be making them.
by Webber's Ankle on Jan 18, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
You said he should never miss them.
But a lot of people do. Why don’t all of these guys shoot over 90% from the free throw line? Chokiness?
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
To me: missing a free throw, layup, taking bad shots late in a contested game is choking
My point isn’t that Nocioni is a choke-artist. I’m simply saying that it’s incredible that a guy can make the threes to put us back in it but can’t do the simple stuff late in the game.
by Webber's Ankle on Jan 18, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
I would agree with that.
I don’t consider that to be the same as choking. The game is hard, no matter how easy they make it look sometimes.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
I wish there was a different term for it myself
To me, the label of a “choker” is more fitting of a guy that’s flat scared to take a shot in crunch time. I don’t think Nocioni is that guy, I think he’s the type of guy that wants to take the last shot, but he tends to rush it or get out of his normal rhythm.
Either way, the term itself is rather harsh.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
Well now we're just arguing over the definition of the term.
I tend to use the word liberally as opposed to an all-encompassing term that reflects a player’s game. This is, however, personal preference.
by Webber's Ankle on Jan 18, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Sure
I don’t think we are in disagreement necessarily. I just think the word itself comes off very negatively, so it’s like waving a red flag in front of a bull.
I know I hated hearing that word used about Webber, Peja and Christie back in the day. It’s almost the type of word that reflects negatively on them as a man, not just as a player.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
choking to me is..
when your down by 2 at the end of the game and you miss the 1st one, and miss the 2nd one on purpose and get a lane violation
I call it: When you're down by two at the end of the game,
and you miss the first one, then you vomit all over the floor and pass out.
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by tomroadrunner on Jan 18, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
seriously who the hell told him THAT was a good idea?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
We were talking about the choking thing
Noc seems like one of those guys you probably don’t want shooting the ball down the stretch. He seems to rush his shot a bit during crunch time.
I noticed that last year when he badly missed a few wide open jumpers late in the fourth of close games.
Making shots in the 4th – it’s not for everyone.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
He made a pair of threes in the fourth that helped the Kings come back
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
Sure
But the last two minutes of the fourth is a whole different animal.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
If he doesn't hit those threes
The last two minutes don’t mean squat.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 18, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Why don't they cut the game from 48 minutes to just two, so it would all matter?
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jan 18, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree
That’s like Grant Napear saying that a technical foul in the first half is going to come back to haunt a team.
If Nocioni doesn’t miss his first two three pointers of the game, maybe we win right? I mean, you could do that all day long.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
Wow we really need a BIG man/men
How long till we make another trade?
by EWEEZY on Jan 18, 2010 1:43 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Deadline.
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If then.
Might have to wait for the draft.
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I'm pretty sure we're giving Noc up for expirings at the deadline.
He was asking when do we do a next trade. That’s my best guess.
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That assumes someone wants him
I’m not at all convinced of that.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jan 18, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
Celtics seem to want him..Noc, K9 , HA and May for Allen and S.Williams..Almost 20 mil in expirings we could get Lebron!
Judgment day is coming!
I don't see any evidence that the Celtics want Noc
That may just be our imaginations.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Jan 19, 2010 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
Everyone wants Chapu!
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Jan 19, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
10 blocks, 19 assists, 20 turnovers.
That last one is killing us.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Worst officiating this season
So bitter right now. So bitter.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
Point-counterpoint
Touché.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jan 18, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
when was the last time the kings won a game with bavetta as the official?
he’s the crawford to our duncan
by VenomySnicket on Jan 18, 2010 1:43 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Funny
Seemed like every game I went to Arco for last year was officiated by Bavetta. No woner I didn’t see many wins
The future begins now...
No.
It was all Bavetta. The Kings got Dicked.
by unfair weather on Jan 18, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
We have a Duncan?!?
Fuck, let’s get him some minutes!
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jan 18, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Best half of basketball they have played in a while...
That’s the type of effort we are used to seeing this season. Unfortunately, that is also the type of consistency we are used to seeing this season. Evans is really starting to get that he can get anyone easy open looks at almost any time with his penetrations. Super game by Donte – fun to watch his development…
"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."
yeh i dont think they deliberatley screw us
but i have no doubt that being a young team costs the kings about 6 points a game
by thisismellow on Jan 18, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Let's not forget we shot 14-21 from the FT line.
Including two martin misses :(
I was just hoping...
For a competitive 2nd half, now I feel kind of greedy and pissed off cause we really should have won.
by EWEEZY on Jan 18, 2010 1:47 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Awesome Westphal
Asked if it was a good block he says “it was a good block.” And then rephrased “I thought it was a good block.” Thn turned around adn said “and so did the replay”
The future begins now...
That's two points right there
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From this game, I can conclude that
The Kings >( Charlotte – Wallace)
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
But
The Kings < (Charlotte + Bavetta)
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surely tonight you mean Kings>Kings-JT
Spencer 6 points (3/4 fgs), 4 rebounds, 1 block
Jt 6 points (3/10), 4 rebounds, 0 blocks
Jt with 5 extra minutes
by thisismellow on Jan 18, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
How many double doubles has Spence had this season again? 14 vs 5..
Efficiency: 17.5 vs 12.9
FG shooting .477 vs .473
RB per 40: 12.6 vs 10.2
PPG: 14.1 vs 10.7
Rather Have JT in 2nd year then Hawes in 3rd
Judgment day is coming!
yeh i'll give you those stats
but again, Spencer draws the blame from numerous people which is unfair and false. I am biased, because I do believe that Spencer could turn out to be a “very good” player in this league. How many 21 year olds have 30 point, 11 rebound games against Gasol and Bynum? Sure that’s one game, but you have to admit that the kid has some skills and a lot of potential. Personally, I hope he reaches this potential for the Kings.
by thisismellow on Jan 18, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Problem is he is just to inconstant with his game. 1 Great game does not make up 4-5 lousy ones..
Judgment day is coming!
he is a 21 year old number 10 draft pick
whose first season and a half was spent training against Brad Miller. He has work to do, but the kid has a ton of potential.
by thisismellow on Jan 18, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
I agree but so does JT, Putting up the #‘s he has with all the games he played as a sophomore is great IMO. I think 1-2 more years he will be a pivotal role for the kings as starting PF. We got no one better really right now and you cant get better if you don’t get the chance to play.
Judgment day is coming!
i like JT too
but personally i dont think his ceiling is as high Spencer’s. Where Spencer’s lack of time occurs due to inconsistency, unfortunately JT’s often occurs due to fouling other bigs who he does not seem to be able to stop in the post.
by thisismellow on Jan 18, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Why...
Why did the Bobcats stop the full court press? Seems like Kings came back when they stopped doing that.
coz it was starting to result in Tyreke layups :)
by thisismellow on Jan 18, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
we should have been
…getting those layups in the first half then!
by henryclemente on Jan 18, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
it was definitely ugly in the 1st
at least these youngsters figured it out
by thisismellow on Jan 18, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
House Money
No rebounds in 10 minutes. ’Nuff said.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
One game, cut him.
This has become unbelievably tiresome.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Yeah
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 18, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
ah
at least he had probably the best block of the kings season so far!
by thisismellow on Jan 18, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Westphal said he liked Hilton protecting rim
cough Spencer cough
by getPGwithbounce on Jan 18, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
I wsh that's all we needed
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
I'd love to blame the refs on this one
but generally speaking, when you go down by 24 points at some point during the game and you can’t pull it off in the end, you only have yourself to blame
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That
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
This argument doesn't hold water...
… you can either blame the refs for blowing calls in a close game, or you can’t. You can’t pick and choose when to blame the refs. If it was a comeback from 15 pts, could you blame them? What about a 10 pt lead? What’s the cutoff? Why ever blame them at all, then? Even a close game throughout, you could always say “if you didn’t want the game to be decided by the refs you should have just blown out your opponent”.
by henryclemente on Jan 18, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
What we’re saying here is that the refs made such a massive amount of bad calls in favor of the illustrious Charlotte Bobcats (with about 20 people in attendance) that the Kings were in a 20+ point hole. Then we had our comeback stopped (after Wallace happened to come back in) by a horribly obvious goal tending call where Donte clearly swatted it at the apex, not 5 cm on its way down.
I don’t know, man. I scoffed at a few bad calls that game, but had much stronger feelings toward other reasons for defeat.
And honestly, I’m glad they lost that game. If they had won, they’d leave thinking they can always take it easy and win down the stretch. That’s a horrible habit to pick up.
The refs didn't blow the game for us
the fact that we sucked the entire first half did. There were some obviously blow calls, but if the Kings didn’t get themselves in such a huge hole it would never have been an issue.
www.mancancook.net
So...
… please enlighten me as to when we can say the refs blow it for a team. Is it only when a game is close throughout? Specifically, how bad does a team have to play, and for how long of a stretch, before we absolve the refs of any wrongdoing?
by henryclemente on Jan 18, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
I honestly don't know, nor do I care
Because the refs are not the ones playing basketball. The Kings sucked for the entire first half. There is no excuse for that. If they played like they should have no one would be worrying about some blown calls down the stretch. But they didn’t. They played atrocious fucking basketball for 24 minutes, which is inexcusable. Sure, the refs made some shitty calls, especially on Donte’s block. So please, enlighten ME as to how the Kings would have had to worry about blown calls at the end of the game if they weren’t playing catch up for the entire second half.
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Of course they wouldn't...
… and that’s not what I am arguing. The point I am trying to make is that you can’t say Don’t blame the refs “on this one”. It begs the question— when can you blame them and when can’t you blame them? You obviously can’t answer this because you’v’e dodged the question twice.
by henryclemente on Jan 19, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
Or you're being an idiot
I think you’re taking my original quote “I’d love to blame the refs on this one” a little too literally. I’m sorry to name call but your nitpicking my choice of words rather than crafting a real argument to the actual point I was trying to make which was that we lost because we sucked for the first half, not because the refs made crappy calls.
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If i was the one being an idiot...
… you’d be able to refute my argument and answer the question instead of resorting to name calling and repeating yourself.
by henryclemente on Jan 19, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
There's no argument to refute
You’re basing your whole point on what my choice of words seemed to imply to you; that what I said meant that in some cases it was okay to blame refs for the outcome of a game. But I was only talking about this game, and how the refs could not be blamed for it when the Kings played terribly for the first half. I’m not picking and choosing when I blame refs because my original point had nothing to do with any other games or situations, only yesterday’s Kings vs Bobcats game. That’s it. So you’re the idiot for continually bringing up a counter argument to a point that I did not make but you seem to think I did.
www.mancancook.net
Really?
I’m the idiot? You can’t even answer a simple question about the very statement you made. If you can’t blame the refs for yesterday’s game, when can you blame the refs?
it’s like you saying “today is not a cold day”, then being asked “so, what would be cold for you?” then not being able to answer it..
Nothing to do with other games? So I can make a statement like “KM sucks” , without taking other games into consideration? Nonsense. You’re twisting and turning to avoid my original and very simple question. Based on your criteria, when can we blame refs for a loss?
If you can’t answer just don’t bother replying.
by henryclemente on Jan 19, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think the refs should ever be blamed
sure, they suck a lot of times, but winners win. And yes, you are an idiot for starting a completely debate by saying that my arguement didn’t “hold water” by stating that I can’t pick and choose when to blame refs, which is something I wasn’t doing at all
www.mancancook.net
Haha..
.. now that’s a different story completely. If say, you can NEVER blame the refs under any circumstances. That’s perfectly fine with me, and I have said as much.
But that’s not what your previous posts said. You clearly said you can’t blame them for this one, even citing a specific reason why (bad first half). By citing this reason over and over, you further implied that under certain circumstances you can/can’t blame the refs.
If that’s not what you meant, then fine, thanks for the clarification. But don’t call me an idiot because of your lack of clarity.
by henryclemente on Jan 19, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Did it without Spence and JT.
Not sure if I should even take serious consideration of this or scoff at it.
No, you should.
Because a one-game sample is super-meaningful.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
We've done what we've done without spence
All year. How meaningful is that to you?
when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??
by diehardkingsfan5 on Jan 18, 2010 4:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think we have to look at what we did with
Donte and Brock on the floor. And what we did not do with Shock and Awe on the floor.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
Yep
Not saying Brock+Donte>Shock+Awe, but I am saying that they bringa very different skill set.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
With the way Donte is playing D
and not really needing shots. I think he should start because of how he complements Speed Freke
The future begins now...
I agree
It is becoming clear now that the logjam will be an issue….even without Cisco. Something must be done about this asap IMO
by thisismellow on Jan 18, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
and not necessarily to create more W's
but simply for development of these players
by thisismellow on Jan 18, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
I'll be honest
I still don’t see it. The G rotation is Reke, Kevin, and Beno. At the F you have Donte, Omri, Noce, JT. C you have Hawes and Brockman.
I think for now, it;s doable. Once Cisco comes back, hopefully Noce will be traded and he would just take his place. I think is more about just findng the right combinations. It’s early still, especially with Kevin just coming back
The future begins now...
you have a point
bit IMO there is something to be said for “regular minutes” and familiarity for these youngsters…..rather than spot minutes depending on who is playing well. uncertainty would be hard to deal with for a lot of youngens and there is no doubt that the rotations are at times not predictable due to this logjam
by thisismellow on Jan 18, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
You've made the rotation sound very simple
and very effective. I like it and I bet PW will accept it soon too. I used to like Noc a lot, but I have to admit I’m really looking forward to him being dealt. Omri is such a consistent scorer, even more so than I remember Cisco being, especially in the clutch. He just has to get better at D which he will.
if Ime is still getting minutes...
… there is no logjam.
by henryclemente on Jan 18, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Is that JT and Hawes?
Should be “Shocked” & “Awwww” based on the way they react to fouls…
"HARK! BUT LOOK OVER HERE, IT'S A COST CONTROLLED COCO CRISP! DOES MY USE OF ALLITERATION HYPNOTIZE YOU?" (PL78)
by CaliforniaJag on Jan 18, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
I'm tired of the bad officiating
We had at least 2 good opportunities in the last 3 minutes to take the lead
The Donte block was clean, but he had the wide open three to make :/
"i thought rasheed wallace was the best kings player or whatever that rookie's name is"
by Imminentfailure on Jan 18, 2010 2:00 PM PST reply actions
Would've liked to see Beno take that shot
although Green was even more wide open
by DirtyDribblers on Jan 18, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
0 rebounds in 10 minutes does not equal athletic in my book
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
Doesn't mean he isn't either
Just that he may not be a good rebounder.
by nobodyinparticular on Jan 18, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
And so he's good at?
What is the benefit of a center that can’t rebound or score?
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
Block shots...
…but I never said that was worth playing him.
On the other hand, 10 minutes on a brand new team is hardly enough time to say whether or not he can rebound.
by nobodyinparticular on Jan 18, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not ready to call him a bust yet
Especially since we were paid to take him!
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
But I gotta say
that not a single rebound for a guy who is trying to make an impression with a new team is definitely NOT a good sign.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
This
"HARK! BUT LOOK OVER HERE, IT'S A COST CONTROLLED COCO CRISP! DOES MY USE OF ALLITERATION HYPNOTIZE YOU?" (PL78)
by CaliforniaJag on Jan 18, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Too many ways to interpret that message.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
And 0 FUCKING REBOUNDS
Using that excuse is becoming very tiresome. Was this his first NBA game? He should be able to pull in more than 0 rebounds
when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??
by diehardkingsfan5 on Jan 18, 2010 4:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If he'd made 10 pts and 10 rebounds
You’d be singing his praises, one game or not.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
So the lesson should be
Giving him the benefit of the doubt after one game and do not think he’s a superstar after one game either. I think that should work
The future begins now...
Okay
I’ll give him the benefit of my doubt! :)
Come on, I’m entitled to some doubt after all the love I gave Mason and May.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
Haha, you did, huh?
I don’t think anyone here cares much for Armstrong to be honest, but I do agree that it was just one game. He did seem to be on the lookout for blocks, trying to protect th rim; something I have not seem from our young bigs yet.
I think we’ll have a better idea of how bad or how decent or how good he is in the next 8-10 games, at least.
The future begins now...
Apparently it is for some folks
10 minutes on a brand new team is hardly enough time to say whether or not he can rebound.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 18, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Combined with 3 years of stats
I’d say it gives me a pretty strong hint. But then I’m a hater and as Andy would remind me, it’s only one f-ing game. :)
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
Maybe Brockman stole all his rebounds
Hey, that excuse works for Hawes, so why not?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 18, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like I should be glad I had to work...
Or is it like the “bad day of fishing” comparison?.?.?
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
Not sure if this has been mentioned
Brockman played more minutes this game than JT and Spence combined
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 18, 2010 2:02 PM PST reply actions
JT was in early foul trouble
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
which unfortunately due to his inability to guard bigs in the post
not stirring, just pointing out that this area of his game has still not developed at the rate i would have hoped
by thisismellow on Jan 18, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe we should have pulled the trigger on Okafor
Seems like the biggest reason (other than worrying about making a big traded before seeing Speed play with this team) was slowing down the offense. Okafor seems like a very rich man’s Brockman as he has more height/length, better shot blocking, better offensive game.
by nobodyinparticular on Jan 18, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
only if we "have to" win now
as hard as it is to watch at times, i believe the long term gains far outweigh the short term ones that Okafor and his big contract bring. The guy only average 11 & 9 and you throw away any further moves in the future. not worth it if you ask me
by thisismellow on Jan 18, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
I see what you're saying
But I think part of my point was that just like Brockman, Okafor brings more than just numbers. His clogging defensive presence is something that is a big part of his game. With the Kings using Brockman so much this game for a similar purpose—rebounds and clogging the lane—I would think a higher quality player in that mold would make the Kings that much better.
As for winning now, I’m not sure that the Kings would really hurt their ability to win in the future by making a move like that. Of course this is off topic, but to go into just a little bit, the two considerations that I would use in terms of going for it are
A) I have a hard time thinking the Kings could add a player of similar caliber in the next couple years unless they get a top 5 draft choice beyond 2010. (there doesn’t seem to be anyone of that style and caliber in the 2010 draft) There certainly aren’t any veterans in the NBA on the level of Okafor who are young enough and will be available in the next 3 seasons.
B) The Kings have 3 contracts (Beno, Nocioni, Garcia) that could be moved at some point in the next season or two in order to add significant payroll flexibility if necessary.
by nobodyinparticular on Jan 18, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
both valid points nobody
i guess it’s been argue to death anyway and is now done and dusted
by thisismellow on Jan 18, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe there was never an actual trade for Okafor in place
and it was just a rumor.
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who loses minutes now that martin is back?
Very easy. Spencer. I was afraid Donte and Brockman would have some good stretches and then PW when sit them in the 4 th quarter. Good game for Donte and Brock. Further proof that you do not need 5 scorers on the floor. You need a balanced team.
by noreboundsnorings on Jan 18, 2010 2:03 PM PST reply actions
What's wrong with Casspi?
Defense suffering, shot is horrible right now… Making some boneheaded plays.
by nobodyinparticular on Jan 18, 2010 2:06 PM PST reply actions
he's a rookie
he started to believe the hype, it happens. Wait a week or two, he’ll hit bottom and get back to being good. They have a word for a consistent Omri the way he played for several weeks: All-Star.
He’s not that good yet, and may never get that good for season’s at a time. Give him some slack, it will get better.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Certainly not ready to bury him on the bench.
Just trying to figure out what’s wrong with him. I agree that it could be believing the hype. Hopefully he can refocus his game and get back to that All-Star level of play.
by nobodyinparticular on Jan 18, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Is it just coincidence...
…that Casspi’s poor play has coincided with the losing streak? I think the team has needed his energy/production more than anyone is really talking about.
by henryclemente on Jan 18, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
I know those missed threes hurt the team
I don’t know if it’s the tangible missed shots, the intangible energy or a combination or both that has hurt the team that most. But one thing is for sure—the Kings do play better when Casspi plays well.
by nobodyinparticular on Jan 18, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
I thought the story of the game
on the good side for us was Donte getting eaten alive in the first half defensively, adjusting, playing much better defense in the second half and doing a great job on the defensive glass.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
...not goaltending...
I’m still shaking my head at that call.
by nobodyinparticular on Jan 18, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
I'll be honest
live action I thought it was goal tending for sure. On the replay I was wrong, but its tough to not get a goal tending call that close to the rim when the ball is in the air that long.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Yeah
I felt it was a clean block in live action, but then again I know my bias makes me WANT it to be a clean block so I will often shift that way. Perhaps you simply made a more unbiased call than I (although as you mention it seems like it was the wrong call).
by nobodyinparticular on Jan 18, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Heading out
Have a great MLK Day.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
You too SB.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
Methinks
The frustration that the players show after they don’t get a call affects their attitude towards the game. Eventually they’ll have to learn to play through it or just be quiet, especially if the call isn’t going to be reviewed. Watching your whole bench get pissed only really helps the other team. Everyone lost focus except for Tyreke and Beno, who created momentum with their playmaking skills.
Plus officiating seems to be a leaguewide problem. We aren’t the only ones complaining about bad calls, its EVERYWHERE on NBA forums.
"i thought rasheed wallace was the best kings player or whatever that rookie's name is"
by Imminentfailure on Jan 18, 2010 2:09 PM PST reply actions
I completely agree.
Although it wasn’t a factor in this game, Jason Thompson is a huge culprit of this. One bad call and the kid hangs his head and mopes for quite some time instead of playing through it. Great players don’t worry about the calls and keep playing.
by Webber's Ankle on Jan 18, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
not always true
Tim D complains like crazy and it would be hard to argue that Kobe never whines. Fortunately for them, they get more calls and need to argue and whinge less
by thisismellow on Jan 18, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
obviously
i hate Jt’s whining (he seems better the last coupla games though), but to say he is alone would be false
by thisismellow on Jan 18, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
JT and some time....
The Kings are going to need a couple weeks to find their roles. Things have to shake out. And, it seems the person most effecting the downturn of the team is JT. JT is slumpin, and hope he will come out. If he were scoring and playing well the Kings would be winning a few of these games. JT is that all important third scorer/big man, and the guy who usually brings tons of energy.
you people need stop taking the PaintMaster's name in vain.
It’s really starting to upset me and the rest of the fellows in my cult.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
They don't let the calls affect their game though. If anything, they'll elevate their game.
JT get’s all emo. But again, as Sims said, JT isn’t Duncan or Kobe
by Webber's Ankle on Jan 18, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
You have to earn respect
JT has to channel that aggressiveness into a polished game. There’s always flashes of brilliance but he gets too “blinded” when he gets called for fouls and finishes without consistency.
On a side note, I swear to god JT has picked up his first foul at least within the first 3 minutes of the game, and seems to be one of the first to pick up a foul very early in the game. It seems to be a bad habit…
"i thought rasheed wallace was the best kings player or whatever that rookie's name is"
by Imminentfailure on Jan 18, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Or; "Team blows through 3, then blows comeback"?
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
Or "Kings comeback enough to win, but ref's whistle out the wrong end"
And yeah, the wrong end can be taken multiple ways and all are correct.
Barkley just said
“Ship that Rookie of the Year award to Sacramento by Pony Express.”
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
No insults to necessary
The man is genuine, doesn’t take himself seriously and speaks his honest opinion, the world be damned. You might not respect what he does, but you have to respect how he does it.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
amen to that
this kid already “is” amazing and will only bring success and attention to this franchise. for all my cursing on draft day (again), I have the utmost respect for GP and his scouting. the guy is amazing!
by thisismellow on Jan 18, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
I think thats the first nice thing Chuck has ever said about Sacramento.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
I went to a game back when he played for Phoenix
and he complimented the cheerleaders (then the Fast Break)
by betweentheeyes on Jan 18, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
This is just one hell of a year for rookie PGs
Tyreke is playing amazing, Jennings hit 55 earlier this year, Flynn has been playing well, and Curry is just flat out amazing. I could only imagine a team that had Curry at PG and Tyreke at SG. This rookie game should be amazing.
Just for fun
Upcoming schedule up until the All Star Break:
@ Atlanta
@ Orlando
@ Miami
Golden State
@ Utah
Charlotte
@ Denver
San Antonio
Phoenix
@ Toronto
@ NY Knicks
@ Detroit
I want to say 6 wins, but I’ll go 5. What you got?
The future begins now...
5 sounds about right.
ATL, ORL, MIA — We’ll probably win one (MIA). It would suck to go 0-6 on this road trip.
GS, UT, CHA — We’ll win two
DEN, SA, PHX - One.
TOR, NY, DET – We’ll probably get one, but I wouldn’t be shocked if we get two.
"El once, chico. Eleven."
Tor? NY? DET?
those SHOULD be wins, but then again, philly and washington should have been wins. I think we finally break through at ATL and we sneak one out in Miami as well. SO being the optimist, pencil me in for 8
by VenomySnicket on Jan 18, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
Was it just me,
or do the Kings seem completely lost on how to defend using the zone?
The Bobcats have a great defense but aren’t exactly the best offensive team in the league.
We seem to make the front court of opposing teams consistently look like allstars.
Just sayin
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love was on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
Since winning isn't important
Maybe we can just use the Kings moral victory record. So they have 15 “real” wins and “moral victory” wins over the Lakers and Cavs just off the top of my head. We lost to the Mavs by one in Dallas, so I am sure that qualifies.
Maybe if we work hard enough, we can make the Moral Victory Playoffs.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 18, 2010 5:52 PM PST reply actions
Why is it that we have to categorize losses as "moral victories"
Can’t we just be encouraged that this team is consistently competitive regardless of the fact that the team we all root for (presumably)?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
The problem with moral victories
is that you have to have morals to enjoy them. That leaves you and me out, I’m afraid.
This season has still exceeded my expectations. I’ve really enjoyed watching this team.
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Because my laptop is acting like a bitch today (and some days unfortunately)
I didn’t finish my sentence because it seems like every 2 seconds I type I lose the ability to type. Sigh.
Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that why can’t we be encouraged by competitive games? For me, this season anyway, wins are just a cherry on top. There is a few steps to take before we are a playoff team. That’s what I know.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I am encouraged by all of those
but you guys knew that already. And I’m with you Pookey, there’s a couplemore steps to be taken before we can discuss playoffs on a consistent basis. I enjoy seeing the kids grow every game. Hell, I even enjoy them regress and then figuring it out a couple games later.
The future begins now...
I'm encouraged.
We’ve been playing better all year than I expected us to.
Tyreke has been better than I expected. The learning curve at the point is the steepest, and he’s farther along than anyone had a right to expect him to be. Though I still deplore his tendency to take off-balance jumpers early in the shot clock and drive the lane without knowing where he’s going to throw it if there’s too much traffic.
Casspi is leaps and bounds ahead of where any 23rd pick should be, and the fact that he’s been a beast at both ends of the court has probably contributed a great deal to his recent head-on with the rookie wall. Wait a week or so for him to get his legs back under him, and he should be back to his previous form. Having Martin back should help, since his minutes will probably go down.
Brockman. Wow. Second round pick who is that good? Almost unheard of.
Martin is going to be better once he gets his legs back, and his wind. He probably played too many minutes in the first game back when he should have been eased back in, regardless of how well he was playing. But Martin & Evans together could end up being lethal.
Beno has been, by turns, consistent and spectacular. A huge upgrade from last year’s Beno.
Donté has shown that he’s got the upside and talent that Evie berated us for doubting. Huge strides this year. No longer the human white flag of surrender, only accumulating garbage minutes.
JT is in a funk, but again, probably due to fatigue. He’s played a lot of minutes in a lot of games for about a year and a half. They have a name for it. Sophomore Slump. He’ll be ok.
The rest of the cast & crew has been up and down, but you’d expect that from everyone but Hawes, because they’re role players. Hawes, though, has shown flashes of brilliance, and I’m willing to suspend disbelief for the moment and see him as a potentially good big for years to come. Certainly Petrie does, since he gave him an extension over the summer.
I do have to chime in one little bit about Hilton Armstrong, though. I think SB is right. Ten minutes in a game where you’re trying to prove that you belong on the floor on your new team and you don’t grab a single rebound? Definitely not encouraging. But I’ll wait to pick up my pitchfork and light my torch until he’s actually been to a real practice in Sacramento. Poor kid. It must be tough to join a new team on the road like that.
The fact is, we were never going to be a playoff team this year, and over the summer most of us predicted anywhere from 20-35 wins. We’re on pace for that, despite having our leading scorer for only 8 of those games so far. Despite having a few games decided by the three guys in the striped shirts. Despite depending heavily on rookies and second year players and having a new coaching staff.
But our team is (usually) fun to watch. They’re likeable guys. They’re young and fiery and tough. Not saying the losses aren’t tough, or that I’m getting used to them, but the Kings are a much, much more exciting team than the past two years, and if you want to talk upside, we have boatloads. And Petrie.
The future’s so bright, we all oughtta be wearing shades.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 18, 2010 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 11 recs
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The future’s so bright, we all oughtta be wearing shades.
Or at least pants…
by OrangeLazarus on Jan 18, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
All true
Rec’d.
I’d also add that we had our expectations inflated prematurely by our play in November/early December. The losses are harder to take when we know we’re capable of 4 or 5 game winning streaks. At the end of the day, if you told me in the summer that the Kings would be 15 and 25, i’d have been happy with that.
Pookey, that's the point of my recent comments
I want us to compete, to try to win every night, by fielding our most competitive team, not the “team of the future.” I don’t expect us to win, and I am not disappointed if we give a strong effort and it is clear in my mind we are doing everything we can to put us in a position to win.
In my opinion, that hasn’t always been the case the last few weeks. We’ve succumbed a bit to playing the youngsters too much and more than they can clearly handle or favoring the development of a few young players to the detriment of the overall team effort. In doing so, I think we take a step backward, not forward.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 18, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
It's interesting you say that CC
Because most of this fanbase doesn’t agree with you. There isn’t virtually anyone who doesn’t believe Noc is a better player than Omri at this point. Now, other than Chapu who is a crackpot (which I say with much appreciation), and NoceOne, who is on a different tip all of his own, but realistic nonetheless, most people would not agree that playing Noc is the best chance for victory every night. I’m not saying that most people are right, but at some point doesn’t Paul Westphal hold the final say here? Noc isn’t getting those minutes you speak of CC.
Furthermore, When you have a team with 9 players 25 or younger (Tyreke Evans, Sergio Rodriguez, Jason Thompson, Omri Casspi, Spencer Hawes, Sean May, Donte Greene, Hilton Armstrong, Jon Brockman),who do you take out of the rotation that are young? The other 6 veterans are: Kevin Martin, Francisco Garcia, Ime Udoka, Beno Udrih, Kenny Thomas & Noc?
I understand your point that you would like to see the Kings win more (I too would prefer that as well). I just don’t think it’s realistic at this point.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
This^^^
All the lineup changes and tinkering shows me that Westphal is doing what he can to win. He’s willing to try different things to see what works. Plus, as you mention Pookey, he has no choice but to play youngsters. Westphal could just barely field a starting 5 of veteran players, so he has no choice but to play the youngsters. If the young guns do certain things that keep us competitive and in games then doesn’t he have to stick with those guys?
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I can think of many ways to compliment you
But that wasn’t one.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Yessah. :)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Moral victories are awesome
We got both games against the Lakers, the Cavs game, the one against Dallas, maybe even a couple more there. So we really have 15 wins, 4/5 moral victories, 19/20 losses. I like that record a lot!
The future begins now...
And CC
I don’t think we’ll have a moral victories playoffs. They vary per team and the NBA has always been hesitant to mix things up a bit. I don’t think Stern would be open to the idea.
The future begins now...
I am still waiting for our...
Moral championship rings!
by OrangeLazarus on Jan 18, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Well, we need the playoffs first
Looks like CC is working on that. I think we’ll get 1st or 2nd seed. We definetely need the home court advantage.
The future begins now...
Doesn’t playing tough on the road count as a moral victory? So woldn’t the heirarchy of the moral victory playoffs have the higher ranked teams with home-court disadvantage?
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
Smart my friend
I think this is a question for CC. What is our record on the road when we play an over .500 team close until the 4th quarter but then lose the game in the last 2 minutes and 13 seconds, taking into ccount Jon Brockman played over 14 minutes and 48 seconds?
The future begins now...
Wins-Losses record or Moral-Victories record?
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
Moral Victories-Losses
Is there any win that isn’t a moral victory? SO MV-L is always higher than W-L.
I wonder if we can have a MVER. Greene would be tops. That and the SSRS, Doratio fills up all the super-advanced metrics.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
There isn't such a thing as a moral loss
Unless the game involves strippers and large amounts of money
The future begins now...
by edm7 on Jan 18, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ed
You’re a wiseguy tonight, but this is pretty hilarious. Well done.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 18, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
I think I missed the question among the
jokes and moral lessons.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 18, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe the NBA
Can expand the playoffs to 20 or 24 teams :)
12 teams per conference, top four seeds get byes.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 18, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
About the goaltending call
Something we should all keep in mind is that there were two Bobcat players directly under the basket ready to grab that rebound. There is a huge chance that while Donte stopped that particular look at the basket, the rebounder would have had a clean dunk immediately after.
Still, his parents chose well when they named Bavetta “Dick.”
I might be mistaken
but didn’t Dante slap that ball off the glass pretty hard? I think it was even rebounded by a King
Was it?
Hi Str!Now LeaguePassAddiict isn’t the only chica on the board…
by Rhondda the musician on Jan 18, 2010 11:09 PM PST reply actions
Hey Rhondda
You are the same Rhondda from the wee early days of StR…no?
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
I think she is.
She’s been posting at EC for the last week or so.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
yes, yes, a thousand times yes!
i tried to log in with my old info as ‘Rhondda Nunes’ but Str wouldn’t let me…the fix is in….& TZ has the answer….(snicker)
The board’s gotten really busy while I’ve been gone, no?That’s a good thing!
by Rhondda the musician on Jan 19, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
Welcome back, Rhondda
The place needed a shot of class.
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And you expected Rhonda to provide this?
I kid I kid.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
ha,ha,ha!
Too funny, pookey; let me go put on my black satin gig dress just for you….
by Rhondda the musician on Jan 19, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
I'd say there's a couple more people floating around
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
I think about 85% of the people here don't know here.
Fair estimate? LOL
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Don't know her^
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I'd bet that's a fair estimate
Maybe even higher. She’s good peeps, I remember that.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
No doubt
Gotta love your Sacramento Kings!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Gotta Love Your Sacramento Kings!
So…should I wait till the Kings make .500 to do a new version of my song; or make a new version about the baby royals now as a way of offering encouragement?
by Rhondda the musician on Jan 19, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Tough question.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
If I wait till they're at .500.....
I might have a long wait…but if I make it too soon, it might imply that everything’s going hunky-dory….
Which it certainly is not. with the change in coaching & some good new talent, things are going in the right direction…
but i can’t pretend that i woulda liked a few more wins by now: & ‘tho I’m happy with the change in coaching I’m far from satisfied with things as they are now.A full-fledged dichotomy!
by Rhondda the musician on Jan 20, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
We rarely run into real conundrums like we used to eh Rhondda?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
0-6 in the East Coast
So hard to say this guys but its gonna 0-6 in this East coast trip of the Kings.I still remain optimistic though with the way the Kings have been playing esp. that game with the Bobcats, it could have gone our way but for now lets just say, again we loose huhu. But look on the bright side they fought up a great fight in the 2nd half, i hope they win maybe just 1 on this road trip. Go Kings…..
beat what you can't beat.
love what others hate and stand up when you fall.
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