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This is Why I Hate Basketball: Lakers 109, Kings 108

We might as well dig in and discuss the shot of the game.

Balls. BALLS. Big ol' matzo balls.

OK, ok, o.k., okay ... there was perhaps a bigger shot, a game-winning wing three in which a former MVP, former Finals MVP and -- hate him or despise him -- a big name shotmaker got wide open at the buzzer. When you saw him get so fricking wide open, and you saw him get the ball with time to set, and you saw the ball leave his hand a split second before the buzzer sounded ... yeah. I hate basketball. Go away, NBA.

Star-divide

During the first few moments of the game, I kept repeating that the Kings deserved to win this game. Spencer Hawes deserved to celebrate. Beno Udrih deserved to celebrate. Omri Casspi deserved to celebrate. Paul Westphal deserved to celebrate. Ime Udoka deserved to celebrate. The Kings offense was masterful, as good as its second half defense was bad. Funny that given how easily the Kings scored on the Lakers that the one critical possession in which Sacramento would come up empty would be a set of potentially game-sealing free throws. The trip to the line prevented a high Hawes-Udrih pick-and-roll, or a Casspi corner three. I'd take those plays over the free throws, at least against that defense at that time.

But it's fitting, and the youngsters need these scars, I suppose. Mike Bibby's bloody face can't inspire generations, but Jason Thompson's invisible tripping leg perhaps can. The next time the Kings and Lakers meet -- March 16 at ARCO, not a moment too soon -- L.A. fans will remember this, sure, and the Lakers themselves will remember the battles they've faced against these young punks. But we'll remember, and J.T. will remember, and Hawes will remember, and they'll all remember. And that will make the team stronger on March 16, and April 13, and next season, and the season after (by which time Kobe will have demanded a trade to CSKA Moscow). 

Sacramento's rebounding was rather poor, despite Hawes's 11 defensive boards. Donte Greene (who obviously had to concentrate on not breathing within five feet of Kobe) didn't manage one rebound in 30 minutes, but what hurt most was Thompson's foul trouble and general ineffectiveness: he's the team's top non-Brockman offensive rebounder, and he played only 25 minutes. That allowed Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom to easily dominate the glass. Defensively, the Kings fell apart in the second half, giving up 60 total points. Kobe is a fairly solid example of the difference in intensity for Sacramento's defense: Bryant went 3-11 in the first half, 10-16 in the second half.

That final defensive sequence -- Kings in a zone, Kobe pops out and pushes off on Sergio Rodriguez, Sergio slips and can't catch up, no one rotates out -- could have gone a million different ways. Kobe's not magick. He's not predestined to win games like this. But in retrospect, given the teams and player involved, it seems like canon handed down from the hill. It's not. Bryant is a great player. Great players score, often at critical moments. The Kings won't leave him open next time. If five guys have to fling themselves at him, he won't be open. That, you can count on.

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Honestly....

You guys should’ve won. I’m a big big big big Laker fan, and I’ll admit that the Lakers did not play well and the Kings played superb basketball.

But Kobe has done this before. Udoka should’ve made at least one free throw. Don’t give Kobe a window of opportunity. He’ll take complete advantage of it.

Well let me welcome everybody to the wild wild west. A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness.

by pharoah on Jan 2, 2010 6:35 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

nice

the respect is coming back.

by Dub_TC on Jan 2, 2010 7:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Pharoh...

talk to your brethren on the Laker Blog specifically West Coast 21..he came on to the blog last night to rub salt. It was classless. Thanks again for the credit

by want2win on Jan 2, 2010 7:15 AM PST up reply actions  

What? When? I was watching the conversation the whole time, and he did nothing but give props to the Kings, and answered to numerous foul mouthed comments with respect. Not tryna be rude but, the Laker fans that i saw on here didnt say one negative thing from what i read.

"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"

by moradi21 on Jan 2, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm going to go out a limb here

and say the Lakers should have won because they scored more points.

by Cool Dudes on Jan 2, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

As

soon as I saw the ball go to someone in a Laker uniform …. and saw the #24 on the jersey, and he had time to set his feet, I knew we were done.

As much as I wanna sit here and complain about how bad officiating is (LT on Shannon Brown, Greene on Kobe) …. letting Kobe get so wide open and not hitting your free throws is just a recipe for a loss.

Oh, and for everyone who bought the $40 lower bowl Mavs tickets last night, bite me. I tried calling for 30 minutes and kept getting “All circuits are busy” responses. Damn it!

by Dub_TC on Jan 2, 2010 7:04 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed

I never doubted that shot wasn’t going to go in.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Jan 2, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I was standing in line for Avatar, following the game on my dad's phone (he has a data plan, I don't)

And once I saw Udoka misses both free throws and LA called a TO with 4 ticks left, I said, “This is how you end up on the wrong side of SportsCenter highlights.”

Fuck Kobe for being so clutch.

by UCIrvine kings fan on Jan 2, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't help the Kings were playing 5 v. 8.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Jan 2, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Smills

You are right his left heel is out of bounds….and when you watch the replay in slow motion it is evident that Kobe pushe off because you see the elbow go up. If you set a screen your elbows cannot be up.. Big miss in FRONT OF TWO Referees

by want2win on Jan 2, 2010 7:12 AM PST reply actions  

they're

not going to call that on Kobe Bryant with under 5 seconds left in the game. They don’t have the balls to.

by Dub_TC on Jan 2, 2010 7:17 AM PST up reply actions  

they wouldn't call that on anyone with 4 seconds left

If Kobe’s arms were fully extended and/or rodriguez isn’t moving towards Kobe, they call it. But it has nothing to do with Kobe. Just because dude is flailing his arms doesn’t mean it was an obvious push off in real time. Hell, I thought Udoka nudged Pau to force the turnover before that.

by erocne on Jan 2, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

That won’t get called, ever. Neither will the one-step two-step before the jumper. Neither of those will get called at the end of the game for anyone. I’ve got no problem with either no-call.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jan 2, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

just so you know

the first thing kobe wasnt out and if you look at the video the whole bench looked at kobe’s foot to see if it was out. They didn’t argue that his foot was out so he wasnt out.

by lakers#1fan on Jan 2, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

just so you know

Your team needed bullshit call by refs to win this thing. Brown wasn’t tripped. He stepped on JT’s foot. Your team also needed no calls on a repeated basis to win this thing. We beat your team statistically in almost every way and it wasn’t the L@kers who won this for you. It was the referees. How about that?

You want to look at one thing. Look at the whole second half. How does it happen like that? Your team has a history of favoritism from refs. It is just salt in old wounds here so you are better off leaving us to heal in peace.

Or should we talk about 2002 and 27 foul shots in a 4th quarter compared to 9 for the Kings? There is a history that cannot be ignored. Even during the last game here in Sac. K@be fell out of bounds and they called a pushing foul cause the refs just couldn’t believe he lost his balance. There was more, but blah. I am sick of this shit and the preferential treatment of some players and teams.

by MustangMBS on Jan 2, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I want that game erased from my memory

I couldn’t sleep last night. I’m not watching anything basketball related today.
 That was terrible.

Ba-da

by Ba-Da Bing on Jan 2, 2010 7:41 AM PST reply actions  

Appeal

Can’t the Kings appeal the last shot to NBA because Kobe was kind of out of bounds? I’m not sure what the rules are, but it’s worth a try IMO.

by DesiFan on Jan 2, 2010 7:50 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I'm 100% sure

The officials looked at the heal of the foot. Even if the officials blew that, there would be no grounds for protest as determining whether Kobe’s foot was out of bounds is a matter of judgment.

Judgment calls don’t get granted do over’s.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Jan 2, 2010 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes

They reviewed mIlers three this year and also had a minute of a game replayed by the Heat after an improper disqualification. So yes, APPEAL this. We need to keep pitching a fit, because it CAN be overturned as it should be.

by Smills91 on Jan 2, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

if they appeal they'll lose...

kobe was on his toes the entire time. the shadow of his heel might have been out of bounds…but as for his actual heel…it never came down.

by rshinsec on Jan 2, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Whatever the reality

The tape would be inconclusive I think

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 2, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

This

100% correct. Let’s just learn from it and move forward.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jan 2, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

They went to the replay last night, it was inconclusive.

After he hit the shot, they reviewed it and looked at both his feet and whether the ball left his hand in time. It was good on both counts. Nothing you can do about that.

However, Sergio Rodriguez getting chucked out of the way was oddly reminiscent of Pau chucking JT a week ago to get to the hoop. The phantom call on JT when Brown tripped himself was a total joke. Yeah, call it whining if you must, but I’m F’n sick of it. The Kings never get those calls. NEVER.

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by The Czar on Jan 2, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Good Game

This has been the Laker pattern, recently. They fall behind early and come storming back at the end…Not a habit you want to develope, but a win is a win…

Sacramento looks really good, again! Udrih is getting scary. Although I’ve never cared for Bigs that shoot threes, Hawes looked great last night. With the style of play, it looked like the Lakers were playing an european olympic team raining 3’s from everywhere. With Martin and Francisco coming back, soon, this team is going to be a lot of trouble for everyone in the West.

Too bad for Sactown; they deserved to win last night. Hawes was was on the bench for the final sequence so Westphal must have put in an extra speed guy to cover the 3…Spencer’s face was priceless as he watched the ball leave Kobe’s hand with 0.1secs on the clock…He started for the locker room before the ball hit the strings. Mamba strikes, again!

by wuzzup on Jan 2, 2010 8:24 AM PST reply actions  

heartbreak

i was at the game last night at Staples Center, and there’s nothing worse than seeing what just happened. it was a mini-Robert Horry.

haven’t had the chance to read the game threads, so i’m sorry if any of this has been said already:

I was up in section 303, and didn’t catch the replays, so I couldn’t see that Kobe’s foot was out of bounds, or the phantom tripping, or if the foul by Donte was a clean block. But I definitely felt that the refs made some late whistles to bail out the L*kers on a couple of occasions.

L*ker fans around me were remarking how studly Spencer was during the game. I was almost believing he’d have to do the big balls dance if the Kings won.

Omri looks fearless. He doesn’t play like a rookie much. I can’t wait to see him and Cisco playing together.

My thoughts as Ime was stepping to the foul line at the end:

“Ime is rock-solid and will knock this down.

Ah, crap. Okay, he’ll get this next one

Damn, Kobe’s gonna win it on a 3.

…okay, its not Ime’s fault we lost this one."

I was told that the L*kers are the only ones who get the audience lights turned down during games, so it looks like a performance stage with the court lit and the bleachers all in darkness. If you haven’t seen this in person, I have to tell you that it is absolutely gorgeous. Every arena should do this. It had a nostalgic feel to it, like something you’d see in old films/photographs.

put me in, Coach

by LaBradford on Jan 2, 2010 9:03 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I'm pretty sure that

Its more about not showing celebs doing crank and talking on their cell phones.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 2, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate the eraser.

       “Oh mommy, it hurts.” Once those two free throws were missed, I knew we were done. Kobe was gonna just stick the dagger in us and then stand and look at us while we suffered.
        But the positives. Have you ever played no limit Texas holdem and decide to bluff and raise preflop? Sometimes you steal the blinds, and sometimes you have 3 callers behind you and now you go, holy poop. What do you do after the flop? Do you have the guts to fire the 2nd bullet? Do you have the guts to fire the 3rd bullet on the turn? Phil Ivey has the gots to fire all 3 bullets. This year we have some dudes willing to fire the 2nd and 3rd bullets. Evans, Casspi, Donte and (Brockman but in other ways besides scoring) have the big stones to fire those bullets. JT, Spence, and Beno are getting there. Garcia has them. I have sometimes questioned Martin though. (let me get the kevlar back on). This is what gives me hope. These dudes have some stones.
       In the glory years, the only person I thought who had "Kobe"stones was Bibby. I few year later Artest and Bonzi had those stones. If you want to compete with the likes of Kobe and Lebron, you need dudes with stones. We got em and those stones are growing day by day.
       However, when the other team has the player with the biggest stones (and the biggest ego I might had), there can be no mistakes from your team. No missed free throws, no defense lapses, and your starting power forward can not have 0 points.
      We do currently have the dagger killer, but we are getting there. Kobe can make up for the ineptitude of Bynum, Fisher being 1 for 9 in the first half, a clueless Morrison, and a lot of dickwads on the Lakers. He can “erase” all that. The Kings need all 5 players to fire on all cylinders to beat the Lakers. We had 4 1/2 last night.
      The day is coming when teams will have to face Omri, Evans, Donte, and whoever else wants to join the party knowing all of them will throw daggers and not miss 3 point shots off the side of the backboard a la Peja. Bring those “dickwads” back on, we can toe to toe with them and Kobe can kiss my perfect white ass.

by noreboundsnorings on Jan 2, 2010 9:45 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Casspi should get more shots in game situations right now

He and beno are the most clutch and Casspi is harder to defend.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 2, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Casspi is just gangster.

I want him taking 15 shots each game.

"El once, chico. Eleven."

by Juan Primo on Jan 2, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

He he needs to unload a full extended clip in each game. Just don’t be shooting like the bad guys in the movies, because we know they never hit anything..

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Jan 2, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

PW says they don't really run plays for Casspi

I think they should start.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 2, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I was so drunk at the end of the game

I’m pretty sure I just shouted “his foot was on the god damned line!” like 30 times in 2 minutes.

Dip til I rip

by Muff209 on Jan 2, 2010 10:02 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Both teams played hard.

I’m over it. On to the next one. Let’s just hope this brings increased defensive intensity.

by wabut on Jan 2, 2010 10:54 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I still can't get over it.

Lakers average about 21 infractions per game. In last night match up which was very physical, they get called for only 15 yet we get called for 24?

I’m cool with losing as long as its fair. I know, I know that we made mistakes as well but overall we shot 54% with over 50% from three point range, we beat them in every category except rebounding and still lost.

Makes you wonder.

by nothingbutnet on Jan 2, 2010 11:00 AM PST reply actions  

Good point

FT disparity was ridiculous – again.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 2, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

It's on us

As much as I want to highlight the bad officiating (it was bad) that kept the game close (unfortunately this happens a lot), we had the game in our hands and our offence stagnated and our defence was constantly terrible in the second half. We can’t expect the Kings to win games like these with bad defence because the reality is we’re not the Suns on offence. JT was a big factor in the loss and in my opinion contributed more to the loss than Udoka. JT is a starter and finished with 0 points and 6 fouls. Udoka finished with 13 points and 5 boards on 5/7 shooting…can u really expect more from Ime? We’re getting more than enough bang for our buck with him. Our lack of frontcourt depth showed. With no JT we have KT and Brockman…while both can contribute on boards neither can do anything on offence worth talking about, so i’ll stop talking (typing actually).

by Error on Jan 2, 2010 11:20 AM PST reply actions  

Memorandum

TO: Kings (young and old)

FROM: An Unsympathetic Fan

SUBJ: Fourth Quarter/Overtime Free Throws

Gentlemen:

Last night’s disappointment is what happens when you clank two free throws at the end of the fourth quarter with a two-point lead. If you will recall, a similar situation happened in a road game at Dallas.

There is no column in the NBA standings for “moral victory”.

To ameliorate such heartbreaks in the future, when you go to the stripe in the fourth quarter, MAKE YOUR FRACKIN’ FREE THROWS!

Thatisall.

by SierraSpartan on Jan 2, 2010 11:25 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Memorandum

TO: SierraSpartan

FROM: Someone who watched the ENTIRE fourth quarter, not just the last 8 seconds

Kobe jumped on Sergio’s back going for a rebound. No call. Shannon Brown steps on JT"s foot and JT fouls out of the game, taking our best rebounder out of the game. Kobe pushes off on Sergio. No call. DontĂ© breathes on Kobe. Fouls out of the game.

Should Udoka have made his freethrows? Yep, would have been nice. Were there other factors in the loss? Yep, three, wearing whistles around their necks.

StR Token Female

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 2, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

but

dude’s got a point. A good team overcomes bad calls. If Udoka hits them both, the game is in overtime. Although the calls were complete BS, the Kings still should have hit their free throws. It’s the one major thing they need to work on. it’s cost them a few games already. They’re 29th out of 30 teams in FT%.

But for a team that only won 17 games last year, I won’t complain one bit about them. They’ve far exceeded my expectations.

by Dub_TC on Jan 2, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

No if hit both we still would have won. We were up by 2, + 2 is up by 4. He hit a three, which means we win by 1

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Jan 2, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Its easy to say that a good team overcomes bad calls

when your team is the one that always gets good calls.

"Greg Ostertag is one of the finest centers in the history of Western Civilization." - Bill Walton

by submison on Jan 2, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

NO if Udoka hit’s both we are up by 4..That means we win by 1 for that 3

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Jan 2, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

OK

so then if he hits both, then Kobe’s shot means nothing. Still means the Kings need to make free throws.

by Dub_TC on Jan 2, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Jan 2, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

ironcally

I missed Udoka’s FT attempts. I thought he only missed 1.

by Dub_TC on Jan 2, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

both

our veteran presence off the bench. + K-9 left Kobe (it was his assignment) and followed Sasha into the paint for no apparent reason.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 2, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Udoka

He is the only reason we had that possession so we need to give him a little slack here. He knocked the ball off Gasol’s leg at the other end giving us that possession so in a way that cancels out his misses…

by MustangMBS on Jan 2, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

true

like I’ve said in a previous post ….. this team won 17 games last year. They’ve far exceeded my expectations. I will not complain about a loss to the defending champs, especially when they were missing both Reke and Kevin.

by Dub_TC on Jan 2, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Very good point

I can’t throw Ime under the bus for going 0-2 at the line without throwing JT under the bus for going 0 for the game.

There is never one thing that you can point to as the reason you win or lose. That’s why there is no moral victory, and why every possession is important. I wish I had a penny for everytime JR said value the ball.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Jan 2, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

actually If udoka makes 1 free throw

then bitchface somehow gets a foul call(probobly from the push off) & makes the three with a free throw & ties the game. Then the fakers get every call in overtime to win anyway

by allbenji's on Jan 2, 2010 1:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I wouldn't say we are a good team though

the Kings are an average team & average teams shouldn’t have to battle great teams + 3 refs & great teams SHOULDN’T need the refs to beat an average/mediocre team. The Kings will never be on an equal playing field with the fakers EVER! The only way we beat this team is if we are SO much better than them & blow them out because close games we will ALWAYS lose

by allbenji's on Jan 2, 2010 1:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

never said the Kings were “good.” But they’re 1,000,000% better than last year

Second, the Kings lost that game. Ime had 2 free throws, and missed them both. After all the BS calls and such, the loss still comes down to the missed free throws. They make them, it’s a W. Bottom line.

by Dub_TC on Jan 2, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

FT%

I seem to recall that SpeedRacer can hit his FT’s at a pretty good clip. The fact that he’s out is a big reason why Ime was even on the court at that point. With Kevin back, our FT% will go up, guaranteed.

Bring on the next [redacted]’s game in March!

by Deez on Jan 2, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Stop crying about the refs

Ain’t gonna do you no good.

This ref crying is a fan’s idiotic way about being delusional that their team is better than what reality is.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Jan 2, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Kobe missed two free throws in the 4th as well.

How are those misses any worse than Ime’s.

Overall we shot within our average on free throws for the evening, exceeded both our two and three point shooting percentages and killed our assist average. Our defense let down in the 2nd half but we were playing the defending champions so a comeback was almost eminent.

11 turnovers means we took care of the ball pretty well.

Bottom line we got screwed.

by nothingbutnet on Jan 2, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

he missed them, then the Lakers got the offensive rebound! That’s the difference.

by Dub_TC on Jan 2, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Because

our best rebounder had been dq’ed on a bogus foul call.

StR Token Female

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 2, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Can anybody help me out?

Game ended somewhat similarly to game 4 of ‘02 (sorry for the bad memories there) and I’ve had questions about the ending of game 4 for quite some time because I don’t remember certain things and was hoping somebody here might be able to answer my question or provide a link or something.

What was our possession immediately preceding the will smith (aka bob horry) 3? I remember a sequence where divac got fouled on the way to the hoop (by fox, i believe) for what i thought should have been an and 1. The refs waived the hoop off and divac proceded to miss one of the two free throws. Does anybody remember that sequence? Was it in game 4 at all? If so, was it late in the game? Thanks to anybody who can help out- this has aggravated me for years!

We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.

by outrider on Jan 2, 2010 11:27 AM PST reply actions  

If I were a lakers fan i would be terrified..

The Kings were definitely the better team last night. The Kings were the worst team last year!, and most of all The Kings didn’t even have three of their starters on the floor! The last two meetings have come down to the wire. Do not worry fellas, The Kings and the fakers will have more battles!

Natural Go Getta!

by slamson on Jan 2, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

no video, but found the answer...

fox did foul divac, who only made one of two. we all know what came next.

We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.

by outrider on Jan 2, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm chalking this one up to bad officiating again...

2 free points to Shannon Brown on a phantom tripping call? I mean c’mon, are they frickin blind? 2 freebies and we lose by 1. F_ you NBA! F_ you David Stern!

by TTown Kings on Jan 2, 2010 11:55 AM PST reply actions  

Chalk this one

To Udoka choking at the line and playing less aggressive than the Lakers in the 2nd half.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Jan 2, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

The l*kers are pathetic

It takes kobe scoring 40 and generous officiating to beat us twice? Have they beaten anyone at all yet in a tough situation? No wins on the road against winning teams – none.
Even their fans know they are no where near championship form – and its getting late.
Props to Beno, Hawes and Casspi for absolutely great F*ckin games.

And Kenny T was suppposed to guard Kobe but instead followed sissy sasha to the basket.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 2, 2010 12:06 PM PST reply actions  

Agree

I was disappointed when the foul on Beno with 6 seconds was only the first in the last two minutes. (non-shooting foul) He would have draino’d if he went to the line. After just making an awesome lay-up, and draino-ing two freebies to finish off the Nuggets, he would have been money and not cave to the pressure like Ime. I thought Ime would at least make the second one, but it wasn’t even close.

by bench_blob on Jan 2, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm...

In the two OT games the teams on both sides played well. That is different from having a game where one team beat the other team on almost all counts, they ended up ahead on rebounds, but that was it.

So, given that the Kings played way better ball I have to lay some ownership on all parties here. The referees are not supposed to impact or determine the outcome of a game. That is why they often call stupid fouls after missing a key one. They understand that they need to be fair and are trying to do that. I saw no such attempt at that last night.

The referees did impact the outcome of this game and I don’t think it is going too far to say that there is some ownership there. The no call on the over the backs and the phantom tripping calls did not lead to more balanced officiating. They just kept calling it the same way.

I understand what you are saying in that we need to be balanced and understand we could have put the game away, but at the same time the game would not have been in the balance if the refs have officiated it well.

by MustangMBS on Jan 2, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with most things you say section

My only complaint is that there were key calls by the refs that directly affected the outcome of the game, namely Donte’s 5th foul (I believe) when he cleanly stripped the ball from Kobe, and the Shannon Brown foul on JT. At least the latter happened in the last 2 mintes of a close game and both of those woudl’ve resulted in a defensive stop for the Kings. If those, fairly clear plays, would’ve been called correctly, there would’ve been no need for Udoka to hit those FTs as we would’ve had a bigger lead. Is all could;ve, would’ve, should’ve at this point, unfortunately. The loss also falls on the players mistakes (like not getting that board on Kobe’s missed FTs and a bad D play at the end) but whatever they did right shoul’ve stil been enough to beat the champions at home on that particular night. Unfortunately, other factors got in the way.

That being said, the L is on the record and the game is in the past. We got a big game tonight and it’s time for the players (and us) to concentrate on that.

Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...

by edm7 on Jan 2, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

That was rough

Big Warrior fan here, but I respect any team that can take the Lakers down to the wire. You should have had that one, Kings fans.

Props to your team. They’re doing extremely well this year! Good luck against the Mavs tonight.

by ryogahibiki on Jan 2, 2010 12:29 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks

The Dubs played Lakers tough recently too. Getting Bedriens and Turiaf back will help you guys.

by bench_blob on Jan 2, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Late to the dance but here's my thoughts

Sick with the flu so watching the ending didn’t make it any better.

Thomas should not have had to play Kobe, I’m sure he was under the basket to eliminate any tip-in offensive rebound like the last game.

Udoka stayed on Gasol trying to hinder his outlet pass. Udoka is 6’5" at best. Why wasn’t Hawes guarding Gasol?

The Kings only needed to defend one side of the court with 4 players, instead they had 3 players on the weak side.

Casspi should have been shadowing Kobe. There was bearly enough time for Gasol to make the short pass to Kobe. We didn’t need 2 people protecting a cross court pass to the weak side.

Kobe made and illegal moving pick on Sergio. But, what else is new.

PW got out coached by the refs. But, as I said already, Spencer should have been on Gasol (who 0-1 from 3 for the season), Omri with his height advantage should have been dogging Kobe, Thomas should have been looking for the offensive rebound, and we should have had one person (Udoka guarding the weak side against the cross court pass). I don’t blame PW for the lose, but coming out of the timeout, I don’t think we played a very good defensive set.

JT still is the worse defensive big on the Kings. I don’t blame the ref for calling a foul on JT for the Brown trip. I blame JT for getting the first 5 fouls. He was the worst in the NBA in fouls per game last year and he isn’t any better this year. Alright I got that off my chest. JT is a terrific player, who’s defense will improve I’m sure. One observation or maybe just a feeling, Spencer plays better without JT, and JT plays better with Hawes.

Props to Jackson & Kobe, for the last play. The Lakers were down two. JT & Donte had fouled out, and Martin & Tyreke were hurt. They could have been assured of a win in OT, and could have gone for 2 instead of the 3 pt play. Kobe has ice in his veins.

Of course, a win by the Kings, would be a major accomplishment for this team, and a lose by the Lakers in January, will mean nothing in the over all scheme of things when it comes playoff time.

If there is justice or karma in this world, the KIngs make the playoffs this season, and beat the Lakers in 4.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Jan 2, 2010 2:03 PM PST reply actions  

You're a Kings fan

You know there’s no such thing as karma.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Jan 2, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly, aykis

the history of the kings/those-whose-names-shan’t-be-spokens rivalry is causing me to reconsider my entire life’s philosophy.

I have always tried to be a good person, do unto others and all that, but as of now I give up. there is no future in it. im going to cheat on my wife, steal from my company, and just generally act like an arrogant ass to everyone I meet. I expect that I will be rewarded with accolades and wealth beyond my wildest imagination in return. hey it works for kobe bean bryant.

and another thing. no need to plow up the well-covered ground regarding kbb’s general scumbaggery, but what a stupid fucking name he has. he is named after a fucking cut of steak and a fucking jellybean. fuck him. I just can’t put my hate into enough words. it raises my blood pressure and causes me to swill cheap vodka. and fuck him.

and fuck the * fans lecturing us for crying about bad calls with this “great teams play through it” blather. you dicks have no idea. its like a good-looking person telling some fat schlub not to be insecure about his looks… FUCK YOU BILLY ZANE WITH YOUR PERFECT BONE STRUCTURE AND SIX-PACK ABS YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT MY LIFE IS LIKE

think I’ll start drinking early today.

go kings

by lchristmas on Jan 2, 2010 2:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

LOL..thanks for the laugh abotu the Billy Zane thing..Is it wrong i thought of Billy Mays here..RIP

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Jan 2, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

On a bright note

Beno is a man. A full-grown bad ass man. I love watching his game this year, those twisting drives to the hoop are amazing.

This board dumps on Spencer a lot (not that he doesn’t deserve a lot of it), but he is so much more engaged with every part of the game when he gets the ball in position to score. Reke and Beno were playing so well for a stretch, Spence was not getting very many touches. I would love if we would run the ball through him much more than we have in the past, and get some use out of his BradMillerVladeDivac-ness. He is a superb passer, and a decent enough shooter, I would love for him to be playing pick and roll’s with Evans, and hitting cutting wings like Kevin and Omri. Of all of our players, I think he has benefitted the least from PW. Perhaps a few more games like this will force the staff to involve him much more in the offense. Personally, I love watching the ball run through the high post, back cuts, and pick and rolls.

by MichaelMack on Jan 2, 2010 2:31 PM PST reply actions  

"I'm a man. I'm 40!"

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jan 2, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

If you guys are so pissed about NBA officiating and think its fixed or some shit,

then why dont you just stop fuckin watching it then? After all, its a fraud anyways right? Why keep torturing yourself by watching it? Dont watch = problem solved.

by desecrator09 on Jan 2, 2010 3:06 PM PST reply actions  

if you kobegobbling lowlifes are so pissed about sactown royalty and think we're whining or some shit

then why don’t you go back to your own blog with the rest of the fuckin giant-zircon-earring wearing high school dropout laker “fans?” after all, we are just a bunch of losers right (whose blog you have nothing better to do than troll, right, fuckstick?) why keep torturing us with your lame-ass takes? hurry off to your shift at taco bell, eat shit, die in a fire = problem solved.

by lchristmas on Jan 2, 2010 3:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Thier site is barely readable

no analysis, not much basketball knowledge is displayed and nothing insightful or very interesting at all is discussed.

Thats the truth.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 2, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

wow

you just lost all credibility with that statement. If you were talking about TheLakersNation.com then I would agree with you. But Silverscreen and Roll is just the opposite. We welcome other fans in the site as long as you dont be a douche to ppl. And C.A. and Dex provide some very in depth articles about everything NBA. Dont know what your talkin about on that one bro.

by desecrator09 on Jan 2, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

See explanation below.

And aren’t the guilty always the loudest to protest their innocence?

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Jan 2, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

well your wrong on this one buddy

Never said anything disprespectful, nor was I shoving our victory last night in your faces.

by desecrator09 on Jan 2, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

methink the lady doth protest too much.

Oh, and would you care to look at your post above? It was pretty disrespectful. And douche-y.

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Jan 2, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

You were being a douche.

You came is here with an attitude following your team’s win over ours and wanted to take issue with what we were posting in our team’s blog. OUR TEAM’S blog. Not your team’s blog. Go talk shit somewhere else.

then why dont you just stop fuckin watching it then?
Sounds like you need a hug too man, your a pretty angry little boy.

I’m just sick of ppl sayin that the NBA is fixed and that its fake and all this bullshit. If you hate it so much then just stop fuckin watching it for christ’s sakes.

by MustangMBS on Jan 2, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Hear, hear.

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Jan 2, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

okay that middle statement was fucked up

but the rest is true. Dont watch the NBA if you think its fake. And you know what, I’ll admit that Game 6 in 2002 was probably fixed. It was very weird and something had to be up. But still, if you hate it so much, then dont watch it.

by desecrator09 on Jan 2, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

27 Free throws

in the 4th quarter. We lost game 7 all on our own – but it never should have gotten there.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 2, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

And the next season

We were even better until a knee injury took out our Star player – in the playoffs – and ruined our chances for years due to the huge contract.
It was just a little bit upsetting.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 2, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, but ya'll came back the season after that

Kobe’s 2 threes he hit in Portland changed the landscape of everything.

by desecrator09 on Jan 2, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

It was still about that Injury

Thats why Adelman isn’t repeating his mistake in Houston and letting T-Mac back in like he did a very very different C-Webb.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 2, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Let me see...

You come to our blog, act all high and mighty with your condescending suggestion and have the gall to say your blog welcomes all who are not douches to justify your presence here?

Its like a guy coming to your house, kicking your dog and saying “what did I do”?

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Jan 2, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I WASNT ACTING LIKE A DOUCHE!!!

Please someone explain how I was acting like one. All I said was that I dont like it when ppl say the NBA is fixed. I never said anything to disrespect your team, fans or or site. Nothing

by desecrator09 on Jan 2, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Again, pls read your post above.

Just because you’re an idiot doesn’t mean everyone else is.

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Jan 2, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

WTF!

What do expect is going to happen coming into a losing team’s blog and cussing us out? You so dumb you expect us to like it? You don’t see how this is going to be a problem?

WE FUCKING HATE LOSING AND HATE LOSING TO LA EVEN WORSE!

You really need to back the fuck up and not start shit! How can you even think that coming in here saying well “stop fucking watching then” is going to do anything but start a fucking fight!

by MustangMBS on Jan 2, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha

yeah I guess that wasnt the best way to introduce myself. Just had to get that shit off my chest. Forgive me. Be with peace, Land Of the Cows :)

by desecrator09 on Jan 2, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Really?

How can you forgive somebody when they have not apologized yet?

by MustangMBS on Jan 2, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

What no apology? Too subtle for you?

And I am not your friend. My friends don’t act like moron’s and insult people. My friends don’t go out of their way to dish people shit for bullshit reasons.

My friend apologize when they fuck up for doing stupid shit. You are no friend and are a douche. Whether you want to admit it or not, whatever. You really got a lot of nerve and no sense. That is a basic recipe for the common case of idiocy that you display so well.

Oh, one last thing that is really overdue and totally deserved. FUCK YOU

by MustangMBS on Jan 2, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Whoah! Foul again!

You have gone way over the line, man. You really suck ass.

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Jan 2, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude,

You have been flagged by numerous STR memebers for you lack of sportsmanship and general imaturity.

You will soon be banned from the site.

Good ridence!

by nothingbutnet on Jan 2, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

We discuss matchups, rotations, and you know - plaaays

Not ‘get Kobe the ball man!’.

Thats Ok, there’s clearly no one else on that team capable of making a clutch shot or play, despite a lot of talent.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 2, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

well, i kinda gotta agree on that one

Pau is really scared in the clutch. But FIsh isnt afraid to take big shots as you know, and Ron isnt either. But I do agree that sometimes, our end of game plays are atrocious, as we just give the ball to Kobe and have him make a contested jump shot. Fortunately for us, they’ve gone in this year.

by desecrator09 on Jan 2, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

They don't look even close to Championship form right now

Lose one player and they won’t beat a good team. In fact, I’m not aware that they’ve beaten a team with a winning record on the road yet this year.

They need to get a lot tougher, there’s time, but the season is 1/3 over. No point guard play at all either. No one that would start on a good team.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 2, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

actually, we have beaten OKC and Houston on the road

but I get your point. We dont have a signiture road win this year, like we did last year at this time. Granted not having Ron has hurt the defense but theres still no excuse. We Laker fans hate it when the just go through the motions like they have. Hopefully we’ll get back on track soon

by desecrator09 on Jan 2, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

OKL did not have a winning record at the time

and neither are exactly contenders.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 2, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I know, but you did say we havent won against teams with winning records

which was false. But I did say we havent had a good road win against contendors yet. But I’m sure we will soon. We havent had many opportunities to play against elite teams on the road anyways.

by desecrator09 on Jan 2, 2010 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

LMFAO!!!

I did nothing to insult your team man. I’m just sick of ppl sayin that the NBA is fixed and that its fake and all this bullshit. If you hate it so much then just stop fuckin watching it for christ’s sakes. I said nothing about your beloved Kings. Sounds like you need a hug too man, your a pretty angry little boy.

by desecrator09 on Jan 2, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

As I said

A typical example. This guy couldn’t anaylize a rat running through a maze.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 2, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

acting like a douche = not classy

calling a douche a douche? = nothing wrong with it

and it doesn’t surprise me that you see no problem with your comments – self-awareness is not generally a quality possessed by morons.

by lchristmas on Jan 2, 2010 5:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

lol jk

Im cool if you disagree. Be at peace my niece.

by desecrator09 on Jan 2, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

BWAH HA HA HE CALLED ME A GIRL GAIZ OMG LOL!

that’s your humor? you wouldn’t get a giggle from a 4th grade class.

seriously, you are a stupid person. the literate laker fan here, take note. guys like this are the reason everyone hates you.

by lchristmas on Jan 2, 2010 5:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, not a lot I can do about that

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 2, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah. I also remember a lot of bitching from LA fans...

when you guys lost to Detroit and Boston. Lots of “it’s a conspiracy” talk.

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Jan 2, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

do you douche stains call each other up on your prepaid cell phones to coordinate your beyond-pathetic day-after trollgloating?

team and fans, birds of a feather. classless cocksuckers.

by lchristmas on Jan 2, 2010 3:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yep, we coordinate our mass-trolling campaigns

So fun to torture other fans over a game we’re clearly so proud to have won. Isn’t it awesome?

In any case, I occasionally come here because Ziller’s columns are solid writing. No harm there.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 2, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I was wondering how you did it.

Do you use Metro PCS or some other server? Inquiring minds would like to know.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 2, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Carrier^ (not server)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 2, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah, telepathic communication

You did know that Laker Nation is a hive mind, no?

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 2, 2010 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

No I didn't.

But these things are good to know. Thanks!

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 2, 2010 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

*scribbles to self--shoot all Laker fans for being telepathic*

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 2, 2010 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Wrong way to deal with them

instead think, they are special and perfect, so special that a moving train will stop for them.
If they really are telepathic, well you never know.

Think positive and positive things will happen for you.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy

by HighTops on Jan 2, 2010 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL Good call HT.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 3, 2010 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

there is a big difference

between checking out another team’s blog and maybe even making some respectful comments – and coming over to gloat with 2002 references and telling us to “quit fuckin watching” because we are quite justifiably disgusted with the biased officiating in the nba, like your friends above are doing, after a extremely fortunate, gifted one-point home win against last years worst team in the nba.

but make no mistake, it is not a win worthy of no notice at all… the kings (hallelujah) are NOT a bad team. but i’m sure that the lakers and their fans would do the same shit if it had been minn or nj, because that’s how they roll.

by lchristmas on Jan 2, 2010 5:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, certainly

And I hope I’d be considered in the former. Let’s just not make slightly inflammatory generalizations, mkay?

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 2, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Making respectful comments is fine unfortunately,

if you were to read many of the comments by other Silver Screen members you would understand our hostility.

Like it or not the Lakers got more favorable calls last night. Should we have put the game away earlier, yes. Did we play well against the defending champions without 3 of our starters yes. Other than rebounding, we had you guys beat in every other category.

Shit, you guys have the best 2 guard and big man in the league. Were a freakin lottery team. Give us a little credit.

And… let us vent to each other after a tough loss.

No other opponent bloggers to date have had the nerve to rub salt in out wounds.

Do onto others…

by nothingbutnet on Jan 2, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

This
let us vent to each other after a tough loss.

Is just a necessity at times.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 2, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, I'm all for letting you guys vent

That’s a practical necessity in most close games. That said, in reference to your troll campaign suggestion below, please don’t take individual commentators as examples of the whole SS&R community. If you think the Laker commentators are trolls, douches, or any of the above, then ban them. It doesn’t really need to escalate past that.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 2, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I would like to coordinate a mass troll campaign at Silver Screen and Roll

the next time the Lakers lose for all those Calssy fans that felt it necessary to rub it in after last nights loss.

Calssy (cal-sisse) adj.

1. Thrusting out; protruding: an calssy human formation.

2. Tending to push self-obsorbed behavior forward; brash: a
      spoiled child’s calssy behavior.

3. Undesirably noticeable: an calssy scar.

One would think that having won such a tight game, Laker’s fans would be delighted at the overall conclussion but at the same time recognize that they may have gotten a little lucky.

I don’t recall reading any comments by Sactownroyalty fans on the Bulls blog gloating how we came back from a 35 point deficit to win the game.

Kings fans = classy
Fakers fans = calssy

by nothingbutnet on Jan 2, 2010 5:02 PM PST reply actions  

Count me out.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 2, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Cool.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 2, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

So basically, you're going to copy the behavior

You’ve spent a whole thread criticizing? Nice.

And I don’t see the SS&R editors gloating over anything than the fact that Kobe’s shot was awesome.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 2, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Not me

but there were a few things that shouldn’t have happened leading up to that opportunity.

Still, Ime has to hit one of those free ones.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 2, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

dude, he was joking, k?

And none of us would have done that. We aren’t like that…
Unlike some posters I know…. (waits for a reaction)

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Jan 2, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

This is one of those cases

In which sarcasm/tongue-in-cheek moments are hard to discern.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 2, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 2, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not really serious

Just looking for a reaction from the trolls.

Maintaining professionalism is what makes me appreciate this site and the Kings Organization.

I just really despise the pompous Lakers fans.

by nothingbutnet on Jan 2, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough

Point taken.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 2, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

and you don't think you're a douche

I hope your food stamps get lost in the mail and somebody steals the wire hubcaps off your lowered ’86 caprice, shitstain.

have a terrible day.

by lchristmas on Jan 2, 2010 5:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Sorting this out -

First, Silver Screen & Roll is a great site, in my opinion. Teriffic writers, great content.

Second, I have great respect for SBN “site visitors” like Ben R, who checks into StR not just when his team is playing the Kings. I do the same, visiting other SBN sites regularly and commenting when something interests me. As I have said previously, the best source of news regarding these teams does not come from ESPN or FoxSports – it comes from the local blogs.

While I find nothing overly “trolling” from many of the first time Laker visitors, it does have a bit of a douche-like feel when someone waits until a tough loss to visit an opponent’s site and begin chiming in. I wonder if these same individuals would have been so engaging had Kobe missed the shot. Frankly, I don’t understand the appeal of going to another site and stirring the pot. I visit Blog-A-Bull regularly, but there is no way that I would have posted anything after they gave up the 35 point lead to us. No matter what I would have said and no matter how I would have said it, I would have come off like a douche.

Last but not least, when we do beat the Lakers, count me out of the “attack on SS&R.” I think it a classless move. If you do not like douchebaggery, then do not participate in douchebaggery. Remember, when you point the douchebag at someone else, it still leaks out all over your pants.

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by section214 on Jan 2, 2010 5:52 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Thanks for the support

Rec’d.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 2, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

And 1 -

desecrator 09, I feel that you have stepped over the line a time or two, but so have some StR members in response. For that reason, no ban hammer has befallen you. That said, I would highly recommend that at this time you pack up and head back to your home base. The conversations with you have ceased to be productive and really serve no further purpose at this point. Good day.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Jan 2, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry if I stepped over the line

Since it must be me. I was the one cussing him out.

by MustangMBS on Jan 2, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

And me too.

But damned if I’m going to apologize to him.
To the STR gang, my apologies.

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Jan 2, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with a lot of your post

I think that Pharoah and Ben are clearly decent guys and they did not come here to start something. You guys represent well.

by MustangMBS on Jan 2, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Cheers

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 2, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Feel free to delete my comment 214

as I stated earlier, in a response to my original comment I was not serious.

Feel free to review my comments on other sites to verify that I have yet to make any derogatory comments on other sites.

I was attempting to be sarcastic and evidently it didn’t translate too well.

by nothingbutnet on Jan 2, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

No worries

Most of you were “defending the fort.” I didn’t flag anyone involved in the conversation, but given the back and for nature, I didn’t feel right banning anyone without notice, either.

Gotta love the passion, though.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Jan 2, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I did visit blogabull

but only to commiserate and share that lame BMiller ‘I didn’t have anything to do with that’ quote.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 3, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I said something at Blog a Bull

But it didn’t get any play, and it came off as congratulating myself for being a Kings fan. This prompted MPG to post: Any other things that would interest us? I only had one response: None that would interest you.

Nobody likes reality when their wallowing in self pity.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 3, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

haha, Im only playing guys

I was just pissed that some of you guys were calling me a douche which I thought was pretty classless. But I guess comin here and saying my first comment about you guys should stop watching the NBA if you think its fixed, isnt the best way to get a warm welcome. Anyways, I have alot of respect for your team and MOST of your fans. Your team plays as hard as any team in the league (cept for maybe Houston) and they have some awesome young studs too. Not too mention the perfect coach for this team. Dangerous combination. Hopefully we’ll have another epic playoff series soon, this time with no rigging in it. Sorry if I offended ya’ll, it was prolly me who started it anyways. And by the way, that Satan comment was a quote i used from the movie “Black Serenade”. I said it just in fun. So I’m not some blood sucking Satanist if thats what ya’ll thought. Anyways, I better split since most of you probably still wont forgive me. Peace.

by desecrator09 on Jan 2, 2010 6:03 PM PST reply actions  

Respect

While I hate the whole “sorry IF I offended anyone” in the above statement, the point is understood. Let’s both hope for more memorable Kings-L*let’s games going forward.

Cheers.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jan 2, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

^ Lakers

Ironic typo

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jan 2, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

"sorry if I offended you"

the classic non-apology. who cares.

and i am sorry if i offended any of the STR readership ;) with my liberal use of profanity and vulgar namecalling.

but this guy deserved it

i have respect for the Lakers’ talent (not for their “team”) and for a FEW of their fans.

definitely not this dipshit

by lchristmas on Jan 2, 2010 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

ha

you make fun of the “sorry if I offended you” line, and then immediately write “sorry if I offended any of the STR readership” ? You made a funny. So you really aren’t sorry for the vulgarity. Or something. Ha! :-)

by ramon on Jan 3, 2010 12:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Let the L*kers fans do their thing

The pendulum is swinging quickly now. The Lakers window won’t be open too much longer and the Kings will be a force within a year or two.

Fantasy sports author for Rototimes and Fanball. Northern California sports fanatic. Kings blog: Kingskingdom.com

by The Czar on Jan 2, 2010 7:17 PM PST reply actions  

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