Middle of Nowhere: Hawks 108, Kings 97
All season, the biggest defense problem for the Kings has been a dearth of resistance in the interior. The Kings allow the league's fourth worst opposing field goal percentage at the rim, allowing opponents to shoot 63.7 percent within five feet. Switching up the starting line-up didn't help: Atlanta shot 75 percent at the rim on its way to a solid victory over Sacramento. The Hawks also happened to win a ton of second chances (11 in 35 opportunities, 31 percent), capitalizing on the Kings' lack of defensive rebounding prowess.
The record player's broke, and ain't no one on this roster fixing it.
The Kings desperately, desperately need better defense and rebounding in the middle. Old news, I know, but it's still the answer. It's still the gaping hole. Hilton Armstrong sure didn't look like the answer in his 10 minutes. Spencer Hawes played 12 minutes, and finished second on the team in rebounding (his five tied 36 minutes of Jason Thompson, trailing only Omri Casspi's eight). He was a +2, and genuinely helped the team. Where's that in his starts? Where's the positive impact then? Meanwhile, Thompson got on track a bit on offense, but got lost on some awful team defensive efforts (miscommunication galore), and didn't finish a few attempts he needs to convert. That's the state of the frontcourt. It's not pretty.
Kevin Martin and Tyreke Evans did lovely work. Martin went for 23 points on 20 shots, with four rebounds, five assists and one turnover. Evans scored 24 on 19 shots, with five assists and one turnover. Each also had two steals. By anecdote (with plus-minus agreeing), Martin played the better defense, though in fairness Evans guarded Joe Johnson most of the time, with Martin on Mike Bibby and/or Jamal Crawford. Regardless, Martin and Evans should have won the Kings this game. Forty-seven points on 39 shots from your starting backcourt, with only two turnovers to 10 assists? That should get it done.
They need help.
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Now if only I could learn to say what TZ did in 300 words or less I'd be golden
Alas that’ll never happen so I should just get shitfaced and wake up tomorrow with a hangover. (Being able to see the 2nd half of the game, as crappy as it is, would be nice too.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Another game we would have won if we had 1 more pt at the FT line than the other team.
I count at least 9 games, where the winning margin was less than the less than the points we were outscored at the FT Line. Too many different teams and to many different reffing crews, so I guess it must be us. Poor team defense forces us to foul too often.
We won the rebounding battle in 6 of the last 10 games and still lost. Yes, it would be nice to have a shot blocker to save a basket when the ball gets by our guards, but that not the real reason we’re losing.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
It's not the shot blocking
It’s the lack of interior defense.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I agree
I was pointing out that shoot blocking and rebounding wasn’t the answer. The fact that Atlanta’s front court had 17 of their 28 FTA’s would seem to verify your opinion.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Good point.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
sometimes
when one is 7 feet tall, rebounds happen. It’s the ones that require hustle that Hawes never seems to get. When one is 7 feet tall and has dimes dropped on them 2 feet from the basket, layups will happen. Hawes needs to show something more than being born tall.
ok fine, but
is jason thompson not 6’11" and a “superior athlete?” what’s his excuse? why does westphal have him on scholarship while spence plays well and still only gets 12 minutes (with 4 assists to jt’s zero)? who was really in the game for most of that layup drill? anybody seen donte greene lately?
can someone please tell jt that there is no rule that one must brainlessly power-dribble into the chest of the nearest defender upon receiving a pass 10 feet from the basket? if you can hit a 17 foot jumper you can hit a 10 foot jumper.
a disturbing trend I am noticing with tyreke.. when he is leading the break, 2 on 1 , 3 on 1, 3 on 2, his play is almost always to fake the pass and take it himself. now this often results in baskets and/or getting fouled (which is an inferior outcome to a dunk/layup for a teammate). there is a potential for this to cause problems. I have seen frustration in omri, for one, when he runs the wing, hard, and NEVER gets the pass. I don’t think I am imagining this. I hope that tyreke is our lead guard for a long time and that he realizes that a layup for a teammate is a better play than 2 fts for him.
and I love jon brockman but if he’s your starting center you are a bad, bad team. which right now, we are. I think this current record is what we expected preseason, but damn this team for getting my hopes up and making me care.
by lchristmas on Jan 20, 2010 10:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
lost in all my stream of consciousness was my point
jt is a bad bad interior defender, team and individual. worse than spence. he plays bad position, bad help, and whoever he’s guarding will usually be cleared for takeoff in an alley-oop highlight reel
by lchristmas on Jan 20, 2010 10:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Amen Ichristmas
You’re not the only one who is saying that JT is a worse interior defender than Spence is.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Agreed
Spence plays good position defense, though that doesnt exactly show up in a box score. I agree with the original poster, I wish Tyreke could dish a bit more on the fast break, especially to reward the big men who are running the break, its probably a habit from hs/college. I was surprised at Brockman’s game tonite, I am not as high on him as others on this board, but I did expect a lot more. He seemed uncomfortable everywhere on the floor tonite.
by MichaelMack on Jan 21, 2010 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
I expect that portion of Tyreke's game to evolve
After all, he’s only 20. He can’t possibly understand every subtle point of basketball there is Mr Mack.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Me too
That is why I added that I thought it was a habit from college and high school, rather than any selfishness on his part.
by MichaelMack on Jan 21, 2010 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
agreed
him taking it himself has been the best option to score (which is the object of the game of course) for his whole life.
however that is not always true in the nba. there are defenders that will block his shot or at least get off a hard foul. they have to be watching the tapes on him and realize he seldom passes when leading the break.
plus the possibility of resentment from teammates as mentioned above.
I don’t think that reke by nature is a selfish player – I hope the coaching staff addresses this before it becomes an issue.
and although I am frequently down on both our big men, lets not forget that jt is in his 2nd year and at rider he never had to play against equal players. spence should be a (youngish) senior in college.
I advocate patience but reserve the right to bitch.
by lchristmas on Jan 21, 2010 8:08 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think that is going to be my catchphrase
“I advocate patience but reserve the right to bitch”
by MichaelMack on Jan 21, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
True
but isn’t the critical problem here that both Shock and Hawes consistently play somewhere between "hey-that-was-almost-half-way-decent " to “holy-crap-that’s horrible!”?
I don’t see what difference it makes if JT is worse if Spencer is bad, other than it’s really scary when both of them are on the court at the same time…
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Chapu 4 minutes, Kings lose.
Kings are now 6-18 when Chapu plays less than 25 minutes.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Jan 20, 2010 10:47 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Kings are 4-15 when Kenny Thomas does not play.
So statistically, Kenny Thomas > Andres Nocioni?
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by section214 on Jan 21, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ooh, ooh!
What is their record when Hilton Armstrong doesn’t play??? O_o
"HARK! BUT LOOK OVER HERE, IT'S A COST CONTROLLED COCO CRISP! DOES MY USE OF ALLITERATION HYPNOTIZE YOU?" (PL78)
by CaliforniaJag on Jan 21, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Armstrong
Play him or lose. It’s a given!
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
The important stat is that the Kings are 9-8 when Chapu plays more than 25 minutes.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
And the Kings are 8-16 when Casspi plays more than 25 minutes
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
But they are 2-6 when he plays more than 30 minutes
So the key is to play him between 25 and 29 minutes?
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That would be his sweet spot, yes
Four minutes just isn’t enough.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 21, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
Actually
I’d have to take another look, but it seems like just about every Kings player had poor stats at the extremes, when they played the most they had all season or the least.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 21, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
So that makes them
11-11 when he does play? Put him in and see if he can get 18 rebounds again.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 21, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
Could the 4 minutes possibly be due to him chucking up a contested three early in the shot clock on his first possession?
Maybe if he’d learn what team offense is, he’d play more. Right now he’s the Argentinean Maurice Taylor.
"HARK! BUT LOOK OVER HERE, IT'S A COST CONTROLLED COCO CRISP! DOES MY USE OF ALLITERATION HYPNOTIZE YOU?" (PL78)
by CaliforniaJag on Jan 21, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
What about PW's backcourt of Armstrong, Donte and Noc? Any thoughts?
PW keeps coming up with so many different rotations, but I’m at a lose on this one. Then he pulled Noc and subbed in Omri, I just thought it was strange for such a close game.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
I thought the same thing
Sometimes it is fun to watch his combinations, sometimes I think he can be a bit too creative.
by MichaelMack on Jan 21, 2010 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
I get the impression...
that PW is still shuffling the rotation because he isn’t seeing something that’s working consistently…at least that’s my hypothesis on the situation.
As for the big men, yeah, what needs to happen isn’t happening, but on the other hand, both JT and Hawes are young & the learning curve for big men doesn’t happen instantly as we all know; think of the players we’ve had in Sactown that ended up developing their ‘full’ games elsewhere. Big men(& point guards) usually take a few years.
by Rhondda the musician on Jan 20, 2010 10:58 PM PST reply actions
If big men take time, then why not stay with them.
and why would you play a rookie ahead of your 2nd and 3rd year guys, who performed well at the end of last season?
My impression, is that PW has a mandate from the FO & the Maloofs to improve defense and he’s searching to find a group of defenders to win him some games. Unfortunately, they’re all too young and inexperienced and so it’s not working.
Right now there are players that have the skill to play very good defense but not consistently. But, the team as a whole plays terrible team defense. I believe, and I’ve said this before, but incase you haven’t read my posts before, the Rotations need to be more stable so that the players can learn to defend as a group. Know the defensive sets for one position, and learn to trust the other players know their defensive responsibilities. They need to learn to work together and have confidence in each other.
When half your players come in to the game and have to play a different position every game and have to know all the switches, double teams, help assignments, and everything related to team defense at each position, Mistakes will happen.
Add to that the fact that the best bigs are too inexperienced to be good interior defenders, and you end up with PW searching for something that isn’t going to be there for a coupel more years.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
by HighTops on Jan 20, 2010 11:27 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Amen Brother HT.
Consider this a motion for you to write the StR recaps until you no longer feel it’s necessary.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Thanks, but I think I hear a filabuster coming from the back of the senate.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
by HighTops on Jan 20, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL.
Sorry, while I find that particular sentence funny, I can’t take it seriously. Fuck the Senate.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Given that TZ has his mind elsewhere
I think you should write the pre-game stuff HT. You do a great job of it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
That's what politicians do: Talk
I’ve said it before High Tops, after I read TZ’s preview, I scroll down the comments until I find your preview, read that and then go back up and work my way down the comments. Personally I think you should consider putting a game day fanpost together in a post format rather than in the comments section, not to compete with or supplant TZ’s previews but to add to it. I like your POV, you always pick up stuff in your recaps that I missed when watching the game and I have learned a lot from your writing.
On a different note, I continue to believe that starting Jon Brockman has more to do about finding a way to motivate Spencer then it does about putting the best team on the floor and I don’t a have a problem with that. Hard decisions are going to be made this summer and the FO needs to find out sooner rather then later if Shock and SHawes are going to be our front court of the future, role players or even potential trade bait. I thought Donté was going to be the first of our really young players to be traded, now I’m starting to think it might be Spencer.
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
Word!
I’ve said it before High Tops, after I read TZ’s preview, I scroll down the comments until I find your preview, read that and then go back up and work my way down the comments.
Agreed about Brockman being a motivator for Spence. I’m thinking our front court of the future (next season) is going to involve someone who’s not even on the team yet (trade or signing).
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Thanks, BJ, I appreciate the incouragement
I have debated between tagging on to TZ’s preview and opening my own, but feel uncomfortable competing with him. But, I also thought that my thoughts were too long for a comment, it has been a vexing problem. Others have said that they like me adding on the TZ’s post because it keeps everything in one spot, and at least I limit my input to less than Pookey does. Plus, I do get more reaction in the Preview post than when I do my own. So, unless I’m asked to stop, I think I’ll continue to contribute to TZ’s Preview.
As for Spencer, Jon plays better defense than Spencer, and PW loves his defensive players. Who goes will depend on where the offense is headed. If Tyreke & Martin are going to be our main guys in the years to come, then we’ll surround them with players that add rebounding and defense, and who don’t need the ball to score. JT & Spence are very close in skill level right now. Both have strengths and weaknesses so who improves the most over the next year or two, will stay. Personally, I think it is easier to find a 6’9" athletic PF who can rebound & defend, then it is to replace Hawes, but time will tell. I think Spencer would be great along side Josh Smith, but that’s me.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Completely agree
Team defense is a product of trust and cohesiveness. The first comes with time, as players get to know each other as players and individuals. The second comes from the sidelines, coaches consistently putting players in position to succeed. The merry-go-round of players and positions does nothing for consistency and cohesiveness.
Whenever you think it can't possibly happen, it probably just did.
This
Team defense is a product of trust and cohesiveness. The first comes with time
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 21, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
I like Armstrong, 2 games 2 blocks
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Hilton played both ok and poorly
I like his effort and his energy. Maybe some work with Shareff will help on the offense end, learning his teammates and the defensive scheme will help.
With that said; February 18th is now 4 weeks away. And counting…
by betweentheeyes on Jan 21, 2010 12:24 AM PST up reply actions
Armstrong has been as advertised for me so far
He’s way too light to play good post-defense, gets pushed around and is such a slow leaper he’s not a good rebounder, but he’s athletic and a good help shot blocker.
I’m not saying that’s the final answer for the guy; but in my opinion he needs a Donte style intervention. He needs some coaches to lock in for him what his role is, and what he does well, build on that and shore up some of his weaknesses.
If he doesn’t get serious about his career, he’s a 10th-12th man waiting to happen. If he does and he finds a coach that can help him, who knows? He’s got an NBA body with some more weight training.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
And NBA bigs are so rare he'll keep getting 2nd chances.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
This all smacks of the coaches/FO thinking of the future...
From all the different starting lineups the team has used this year, only 3 guys have started every game they’ve played. Evans, Martin and JT. This is despite any previous stinkers. These 3 also survive any lineup changes due to matchups.
Meanwhile, Hawes and Casspi have been in and out of the starting lineup like the proverbial fiddler’s elbow.
I don’t really know what to make of this. i just found it interesting. I can speculate that someone has decided these 3 are our core, and everyone else is trying out to fit in with these guys. There could be worse guys to build a team around. The trick is to fill in the other 2 spots with players that make up for the other guys’ deficiencies.
The experiments continue…
I don't see it as anything more
than the coach trying to find five guys who will give him consistant effort on both sides of the floor. Noc is not getting many minutes because when he is on the floor he is jacking up ill-advised threes and not getting it done on defense. Ormri seems so desperate to put up big numbers on offense that he doesn’t focus on team defense. PW moves Hawes in and out because he is looking for some center who can play defense in the paint. I think the only reason JT is getting more minutes is because he’s the only tru PF we have. The rest of the big men are either too short or too slow. It has to be just as frustrating for him to see lay up after lay up with nobody even trying to slow them down. While House Money had a block, he was not a presence in the middle.
You look at how the defense closes up the paint when Evans drives or when JT or Hawes tries to take it to the hoop, and you wonder why we can’t manage to do the same.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
if you're referring to his Daily Dime article...
I actually didn’t mind this one. Though he did muse about whether Evans/Martin will work, he eventually mentions that its our frontcourt that is a big problem. He also spends much of the article talking about how both Martin and Evans think this could work, as does the Kings office.
got defense?
maybe we could give tom thibodeau a call at the end of the season.
A couple of points
First, at least we scored more than 90. Working our way out of the shooting slump? That’s a good thing.
Second, the Hawks are a good team. It was a tough loss because we had a good lead in the second quarter, but Atlanta came out complacent, taking the win for granted. When they actually started to play, they took over. That we didn’t get totally blown out is a good thing. Again, the Hawks are a good team. Contenders.
Over-simplifying? Maybe. But who realistically predicted that we could win this game?
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 21, 2010 7:03 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
-and 1
No turnovers in the first quarter. Progress.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 21, 2010 7:05 AM PST up reply actions
I think that's an important point
While the Kings need to improve in many areas, the Hawks are just a damn good team.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
Those were basically my thoughts on this too
I thought we played a decent game, and so did the Hawks, they’re just “double-digits on the road” better than us. The main thing I’m not happy with from this game is Brockman’s production, but hopefully we’ll get a few more games with this same starting lineup to really get a sense of what this unit can do, because I think it could be good.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 21, 2010 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
the same old song
I am a golfer and my work has been nice enough to send me to several work/business kiss your accounts asses scramble foursome tournaments. Lucky, the person I have got to play with from work is pretty good. We can both shoot in the low 80’s. So on the ride over to the course, we both know if we can play good rounds and we are teamed up with 2 others who can play, we have a pretty good chance to finish in the money.
But to often, the two others we are teamed up with suck. Their first drives are a 125 yard wormburner and then the other hits it 150 yards hard left and then the ball goes 150 yards hard right. On the first hole I know we have no chance to finish in the money.
Right now those two other golfers are named JT and Spence.
As mentioned above, if Brock is your starting center ( and I love the guy, the dribble almost the full court two handed dunk has to be 1 of the 10 top team highlights of this year), you have problems.
Spence, If Hilton is coming off the bench ahead of you, you and the team have problems. “hello darkness my old friend, I’ve come to talk with you again.”
I could not help but think if we had Horford as our center we could be 500. He could have helped turn 5 of those loses into 5 wins.
As has been stated, they got my hopes up win they were 15-14 (something like that). and then Cinderella lost her shoe. I don’t see the prince showing up anytime soon unless GP does something, otherwise it will be the same old song the rest of this year.
by noreboundsnorings on Jan 21, 2010 7:19 AM PST reply actions
Al Horford
is a #3 overall pick that has had several years to develop. If you haven’t noticed, we’ve only had one pick close to that and overall we’re pretty happy with how that one turned out, no?
We need help in the middle, but I don’t see the problem with this song for the rest of the year. We’re not winning the title this year, we need more assets. Let’s see what the trade deadline, draft and the summer brings, but if GP is making major deals to address the song for this year, he’s the worst GM in the league. Which we knows he’s not.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Just like golf, this seems to be, in large part, a mental issue with JT and Spence
The two bigs definitely have physical limitations, but too often they space out. Example – PW called out JT for passing the ball when he had Bibby on him. Jt didn’t even realize Bibby was on him. Mental breakdowns. Not realizing where to be on D, or paying attention to the correct things…failing to box out. Hello JT and Spence? Wake the F up! It’s very frustrating, and now obvious that one of them has to be replaced.
Over simplification
We start a front court with a 3rd year center and a 2nd year PF, and either a rookie of 2nd year SF. That’s a total of 6-7 years experience total. Most teams have Unis older than that. The average years of experience on most playoff teams is 8 years per man.
The Kings are a top 10 rebounding teams and a top 10 scoring team, but we’re one of the worst defensive teams in the league, and blaming that on 2 players is just silly. It’s not JT’s fault when 3 players leave their man to double and help JT. That’s just poor decision making or poor training by the coaching staff. When Spencer leaves his man to stop the ball because one of our guards got beat, and no one helps out on Spencer’s man, that’s not Spencers fault.
Last time I looked, basketball was a team game, and I believe that they’re are more team mistakes on offense & defense that need correcting.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
How many times do I have to say this:
Maynor is all the universe, for the universe, and of the universe.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
You got that wrong.
If the game was Maynor vs Maynor then the only losers would be those unfortunate enough not to be able to watch.
Lotus has a point WW.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
It's too bad that Pete Newell passed a year or 2 ago...
I can think of a couple of candidates that should go to what was once his “big man” camp in the off season. (Don’t know if it’s still being run)
Purveyor of Bull Plop
same old song again
I do not expect Petrie to make the moves to solely address the song this year. But If the Kings do not attract any of the big time free agents over the summer, then the same old song can continue next year. Another high draft pick will not solve all the interior’s problems.
I am up for making some moves before the deadline to see what the rest of the year will look like so I can have some hope for the rest of the year and more importantly next year.
10 games ago I think I lot of fans were excited about going to a King’s game at Arco. People at my work suddenly started talking about them again. I think some of that excitement has worn off. The King’s can not afford to have attendence drop for the rest of the year with the loses mounting. I want that talk back
by noreboundsnorings on Jan 21, 2010 8:00 AM PST reply actions
Closeout Unspecial
It was a tale of two halves: the first and second halves of each quarter. We jumped out at the beginning of the game to a 10-point lead, and they caught us by the break. In the second quarter we are up by 11, but went into the half trailing. We hung in there in the third, then fell apart at the end of the period as Zaza Pachulia and Maurice Evans scored all the points in a 9-0 run fueled by two missed layups, a Tyreke turnover and Hawes getting his shot blocked by Evans. We made a mini-run in the fourth to get within nine, then couldn’t advance any further.
FIRST QUARTER
First 6:36: Kings 17-7
Last 5:24: Hawks 16-6
SECOND QUARTER
First 6:25: Kings 21-10
Last 5:35: Hawks 21-8
THIRD QUARTER
First 9:34: Hawks 18-16
Last 2:26: Hawks 9-0
It was encouraging to see Kmart make some threes and JT recover a little of his offensive mojo. The Brockman length of the court jam was real nice.
The Kings needed to show a little more killer instinct when they had the Hawks on the run early. But the Hawks are a very good team, they don’t panic and they have the guns to counter with their own runs. They also play very physical, and their front line is pretty deep even when they go to the bench. The Hawks also beat us to a lot of loose balls that ended up in easy baskets, and that’s hard to overcome. They also have clearly defined roles and execute those well.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 21, 2010 8:24 AM PST reply actions
jamal crawford
absolutely smoked kevin on the offensive end, he was shaking him up all night
Crawford
has smoked a lot of guys this year. Instant offense.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 21, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
That must have been in the 2nd half
Because in the 1st half Crawford didn’t do anything extraordinary I saw.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
In defense....
When hot, Jamal Crawford can smoke ANY defender in the league let alone an average defender like Kevin. That being said, K-Mart put up a good offensive effort and that’s all you can do against an opponant on fire.
by Mityt on Jan 21, 2010 12:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 21, 2010 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
Jamal 20/2/4
K-Mart 23/4/5
If every Kings player got so badly “smoked” by his opponent, the Kings would have won the game.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
And
Did you see the charge KMart drew on Jamal? JR was accurate in saying KMart played excellent defense that possession. Not something that has been his trademark.
Overall, I thought Martin played arguably his best game in a long time last night. It might have been his best overall game ever even. I can’t think of one better. Overall that is, in terms of all stats. When he scores 23 points AND gets 4 rebounds, 5 assists, better than decent defense (stays in front of his guy, draws that charge, and 2 steals), and only one foul and only one turnover when he is still getting back into the game, isnt’ 100% yet, then that is a pretty impressive night in my book.
Furthermore, Jamal played really well of off screens and that isn’t as much about individual defense as it is about team defense. If he hits every step back shot off of a screen, which he just about did, then that spells trouble, which it did. Damn it.
Just checked - I take that back
In November against Memphis he had 48 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals, and 1 block… Damn this dude is soft. Better trade him.
Gutterly awful.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Last 5 min...JT was the center
Other teams focus more on JT so Spencer has it easier. No to Okefor….looking forward to the draft…
by getPGwithbounce on Jan 21, 2010 5:31 PM PST reply actions
I want to followup on one of High Top's Comments....
about poor training on defense by the coaching staff.
It seems an interesting dichotomy that Westphal seems to prefer players that are stronger defensively but i have thought of him as a coach (before his current King’s gig) as more offensively-minded…
Do you think this could translate into an inability/ and or propensity by the coaching staff to be unable to teach the precepts that are needed for the players to not only play good defense for themselves and contribute to them but also not recognizing the scenarios for when they need to help their teammates?And of course, how much responsibility lies on the players to complete their tasks?
Of course, if your job(assignment)is changing every night, you(as a young players are probably just confused. Sometimes I sense a little bit of the deer in the headlights here as if:“oh, cr*p, look what just got pass me on the way to the hole!”
On the big men:
If Spence was still in school, he’d be a senior right?Ben Wallace had to go play in Europe before he went into the league, Tim Duncan(if I remember right)graduated from college first(couldn’t been less than probably 21), and definitely, Andrew Bynum(even with schooling from Kareem), obviously has a way to go.
it’s hard to be patient, but it’s the best cure for frustration.
of course,
by Rhondda the musician on Jan 21, 2010 11:21 PM PST reply actions
Ben Wallace didn't play in Europe and hasn't ever
He was signed by the Wizards in 1996 after he graduated from college.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
got the link on that pookey?
remember hearing otherwise in a bio on ESPN…maybe i heard wrong or it was a few too many cabernets after a gig in Lodi, who knows?he did also play football in college too, right?
by Rhondda the musician on Jan 22, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Not according to ESPN he hasn’t.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Or Wiki I mean.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
A bit off topic
Sorry, but I was just wondering how much Grant Napear makes to call Kings games and on KHTK? Shouldn’t he be paying us to listen and watch?
Also, he used to wear a wedding band, but no longer does. Did his wife ditch him and that monster size ego he has?
Not trying to bash, just wondering what happened? Wasn’t she an airline stewardess? Two kids together and the white picket fence.
Just curious.

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