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Are the Kings really in a shooting slump?

HoopsData.com reports that the average FG% for the entire NBA is 45.8% and that the average 3P% is 35.2%.   So, I decided to find out where the Kings were compared to the average and here’s what I found out.

 

Through the 1st half of the season, and in spite of 3 games where they failed to score more than 90pts, the Kings are slightly above average in scoring for the season.   I decided to look at actual pts scored versus percentages because the numbers were so close.    Based on the total number of 2pt FGA’s and 3pt FGA’s the Kings as a team have scored 184 points over the NBA average or 4.6pts per game.   They have made 89 more 2pt shots then average and 2 3pt shots more than average.   To me, that means when we need to score, go for the 2pt shot.

 

I didn’t include May, Armstrong, or Cisco for obvious reasons.    Here’s the breakdown by position.   Among the Guards, Beno had the most points above average with 69.   Tyreke was 2nd scoring only 10 pts more than the league average in spite of taking 50% of his shots at the rim and scoring on 58.4% of them.   Martin & Sergio were exactly on average with Sergio shooting the exact average from 2 & 3 pt range, and Martin shooting slightly better than average from 3pt range and slightly less at the 2pt shot.   The guards contributed another 608 pts from the FT line on 81% shooting or +19, which lead all groups.   Net 98 pts above average.

 

The Centers and PF’s were lead by Spencer who had the 3rd most points above average with 24.   And, was the only one in this group with a made 3pt shot, which hurt his total because his 33% shooting was 3pts below the average.   JT was 2nd in this group scoring a +13.   And, Jon & Kenny both came out +2.   This group added 201 pts from the FT line, which is 11pts below the average of 211 pts.   Net 31pts above average.

 

The final group, the SF’s was lead by Omri with a +47, the 2nd highest score with a +11 2pt shot and +8 3pt shots more than average.   He and Beno were the only Kings to shot better at both positions than the league average.   Second in this group was Donte who have the 4th highest pt total of +19.   Next was Ime at +2, and Noc came in last and was the only player to have a negative number with a –2, but was on pace from 3pt range and only missed the 2pt target by 1 shot.   This group contributed 193 pts from the FT line on 66% shooting, which was 29pts below average.   Net 37pts above average.

 

So, with 184 pts above average from the field, and only 1 pt above average from the FT line, it’s obvious that the Kings aren’t doing as well from the FT line, and are only moderately better 4.6ppg from the field than average.

 

 

Room for improvement:

 

FT shooting is the most obvious with only Tyreke, Martin and Beno shooting above the league average of 75.8%.   Although only a slight improvement is needed from Ime, Sergio, Spencer and JT who are all shooting in the 73-74% range.

 

Guards:

 

Kevin’s limited numbers due to his injury make analysis difficult, as with almost the entire team he needs to reduce the number of shots he is taking in the 16-23 foot range.   He’s currently taking 24.5% of his shots from there and only has a 27.8% completion rate.

 

Tyreke has taken only 21 fewer shots at the rim than Spencer and JT combined and has a success rate of 58.4% or 1% less than our best big.   It’s no wonder we are one of the top teams in points in the paint.   But, Evans needs to stop taking 3pt shots.   He has the worst 3pt shooting percentage on the team 24%, and is taking almost 13% of all his shots from that range.  

 

Beno shots well from all ranges and has an exceptional completion rate at the rim of 75%, so if it feels like leather; you know the rest.

 

Sergio is doing just fine.

 

Centers and PF’s

 

Spencer and JT have almost identical percentages at the rim at around 59%.    And, out to the 23ft range have acceptable percentages between 38-48% with Spencer slightly better inside 10ft and JT better in the 10-15 ft range.   Spencer makes 33% of his 3’s, which gives him a 50% efficency from, that range.   Both need to improve their percentage at the rim.   And, JT needs to take more of the 10-15 foot jumpers, while Spencer is shooting close to 50% both from inside 10ft and above the 3pt arc, so he shouldn’t be afraid to take those shots if he’s open.

 

Jon & Kenny have poor shooting percentages away from the rim, where they are 54% and 59% respectively, and should probably limit their shots outside of 10 ft.    If Jon can make a few more of the 10-15ft jumpers, it would certainly improve his offense.   But, he needs to progress slowly.

 

SF’s

Omri has the 2nd highest success rate at the rim at 66.7%.  He’s shooting 50% from the 10-15ft range, and is 2nd to Martin in 3pt shooting by only .7%.   Give the Kid the Ball.

 

Donte may be the most accurate shooter across all 5 shooting areas.   From 63.9% at the rim, 44% inside 10ft, 58% from 10-15ft, and 42% from the difficult 16-23 ft range.   And, like Spencer, Donte’s 33% from 3’s still has a eFG% of 50%, so if the shot is open, he needs to continue to take it.

 

Ime is very effective inside 15 feet, and that helps make up for his 2nd worst on the team 3pt shooting percentage of 30%.

 

Noc seems to know his game.   He’s 6th on the team in most FGA’s and shots almost exactly at the league average both form 2pt range and 3pt range.   He’d be a lot better if he’d move more of his 16-23ft shots into the 10-15ft range.   He shots the same 35% from the 16-23 foot range as he does from 3pt range, but he shots 54% inside 15ft.

 

All of the SF’s need to improve their FT shooting, but Omri and Donte need to make it a priority.

 

We are a slightly better than average shooting team both from the field and the FT line, but not good enough to give away possessions with turnovers.   Certainly there is room for improvement both in accuracy and shot selection.   But, until then, our biggest and best chance to improve our Win/Loss record is by improving our defense.

As to whether or not you can same the team or any of the individuals are currently in a shooting slump, it would all depend whether or not you feel that they are much better than average normally.   Certainly some players have had bad games, but every man is out performing the league averages.   So, to me the answer is no, they're not in a slump.   Players are shooting right at their skill level.  



(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Very nice HT.

I think you described a huge problem with relation to FT’s, and why there is a discrepancy. The best 3 FT drawers on the Kings are Speed, Reke & JT (in that order). Well, Speed has only played 9 games on the season, and that usually isn’t a strong way to help your offense.

The other issue’s about shooting I think illustrate good points about Spencer & JT. People seem to notice that Spence misses, but not JT. Why? I don’t really understand that even though the numbers indicate otherwise.

I think you illustrated with Omri’s case is that his efficiency, while extremely beneficial to the team, is probably not as likely to be carried over with more shot attempts. In that sense, Omri has to figure out how to be more efficient with the shots he’s getting now. I think that’s why coming off the bench is the best move for him right now.

As far as everyone else, we knew this team had real holes and flaws in how the offense would be run. All your numbers analysis has proven HT, that among other things, this analysis from observation is supported by the numbers.

Rec’d sir.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 21, 2010 6:29 PM PST reply actions  

They may not be, but they were...

As I posted back a week or so they were in a slump. The real trick to this is, IMHO, to look at the players percentages and to get a sense of what is going on.

The below updates some of my earlier information and shows that the team is on the rebound. The last two games shows that more players are playing at or above their season FG% average. The games against WAS, PHI, and ORL were really a slump.

So, maybe they aren’t in a slump now, but they truly were. Let’s just hope that is the end of it.

by MustangMBS on Jan 21, 2010 8:38 PM PST reply actions  

They were mostly on the road also.

But, the point I was trying to make is that when a team over performs, that’s not necessarily the norm. So, when they come back down to earth, it’s not necessarily a slump. With only Beno & Omri performing above the league average from 2 & 3 pt range for the season, I have to assume that most of the team are only average at best shooter.

As I said in the begining, the numbers were very close but percentages especially from game to game can vary by a large margin. Take Casspi for instance. He took only 6 shots in the Philly game and made 2. If he makes one more he’s at 50’s, so does that mean he slumped in that game. If you add one more made basket to each of those games, he ends up with averages of 69%, 58%, 44%,50%, and 46%. I don’t think that is a slump. But, it’s probably my fault for not stating my criteria from the start.

The numbers for the year seem to show that the Kings are only average shooters, and average shooter under perform at times. And, they’re going to under perform against superior defensive teams. Spencer and JT aren’t going to have a high percentage against good low post defenders. Jt & Spencer both aver 59% at the Rim, but JT only averages 4.5 shots a game at the rim and Spencer 3.7 per game. With such low number of attemps, 1 miss below the norm is going to produce a 25% decrease. But, one more miss a game over a 6-10 game period, isn’t what I consider a slump.

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by HighTops on Jan 22, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

We may be using different definition of what a slump is or is not here.

I do think your point got lost on me, but I would also propose that your statement of this team over performing isn’t necessarily supported. Looking at the player averages and how well they do we might see a slight drop off if that was the case, but that wasn’t what we say.

We saw all or most of the players shooting below their season average and that is remarkably different. Certainly a few were close, but team wide the shooter were under performing. If that under performing or a drop off continued then I would agree, but we have not seen that the last couple of games. The shooting has gone back up.

Don’t get me wrong. I like what you did here. I should have stated that. It is just that there is no way you can look at slumps by taking season averages. You aren’t able to get at some important underlying patterns.

Looking at the games it is interesting to note trends and I say that because slumps are, IMO, by definition a trend. A trend that is below the average. Trends are subsets within a data set that are underlying. How else could you measure a slump unless it was against a larger data set.

So, you decided to use the league average data for the positions. Measuring the capabilities of shooters against the league average using season data is not going to tell you the trends of these players. It is just going to tell you how good our players are compared to the rest of the players in the league. That does not constitute a trend.

Also, this kind of trend happens over time. This is something seen over time and by comparing the players to a baseline for their own performance. You can’t say they are playing below their own potential or average by comparing this to the average player for their position. IMO, slumps should be measured against the players averages and not the league. The season is the whole data set and looking at it all in one snapshot won’t get the underlying trends. By taking to a larger data set and comparing it to league averages even further removes this and makes it harder to see shooting slump trends, patterns of under reporting within the data, over time…

I guess what I am trying to say is that, IMO, slumps can happen for a few games and are not typically for a whole season. Too look at the slump you should look at patterns within the season. I hope that makes sense.

You seem to be saying that because this is on the road and against better defensive teams that we can’t look at it in the way I have proposed… Your case seems to be that the shooting percentages will of course be lower against good defensive teams, but then how do you explain the past few games. PHI is not good defensively, but we shot badly against them only to shoot decent against ATL…

Shooting slumps can be player and team specific. Individual players can have a slump, like Tim Duncan at FTs, and if there is enough players shooting badly it can be a team-wide slump. IMO, there was a shooting slump over several games. It makes perfect sense to me, but that is my take on it so of course it would.

by MustangMBS on Jan 22, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Some typos there..

Reporting should be shooting… That is the worst and damn that got long quick…

by MustangMBS on Jan 22, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess that we just don't agree with what constitutes a Slump

As far as, how to compare a players numbers,

This is something seen over time and by comparing the players to a baseline for their own performance. You can’t say they are playing below their own potential or average by comparing this to the average player for their position

If players like Omri, Tyreke, Brockman, and even JT and Spencer, had a somewhat longer career in the NBA, I probably would have used their history. But, most of the players are new to the league or new to the team, so I had to pick something to compare them too.

I guess that I could have broken the shooting percentages down by time periods like every month and compared the progress, but the smaller you make the sample size the less accurate the percentages.

Whether or not the team or some of it’s players are or were in a slump, could be debatable, but the numbers do seem to indicate that for the most part the Kings are just slightly better shooters from the floor and only average from the FT line when compared to the league average.. With that being the case, even a slight slump is going to hurt this team.

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by HighTops on Jan 22, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn, just lost my reply

I understand your point, but suffice it to say that for me a half a season is more valid than league averages. However, I like the idea of breaking it down by week or month. Game by game is easier and similar enough… though I can see your point that aggregating and using larger amounts of data for percentages would be good.

Also, yes I agree. Even a slight downturn in shooting is going to hurt this team

by MustangMBS on Jan 22, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

By the way I meant to ask, how you posted that chart. Very nice indeed.

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by HighTops on Jan 22, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks, do you have a site that let's you save images there?

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by HighTops on Jan 23, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Photobucket might work.

That’s how I got the Smurfs image up (again).

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 23, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I use my Google account.

There are lots of different types of places, but you get a lot of emails from some of them pushing you to pay for stuff.

Google’s picasaweb doesn’t send me all that crud.

http://picasaweb.google.com/MustangMBS

by MustangMBS on Jan 23, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll have to try that.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 23, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's a problem

Thompson and Hawes – bigger guys that should be getting good looks near or at the rim – rank behind Udrih, Casspi, Martin Greene, Brockman and Evans in true shooting percentage (JT is also behind Kenny Thomas, for what that’s worth).

When your “perimeter” guys are waxing your “inside” guys for offensive efficiency, you have issues.

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by section214 on Jan 21, 2010 8:43 PM PST reply actions  

That sounds exactly right to me

A lot of that TS is due to work at the rim and especially at the FT line. Neither do a good job of holding onto their shot focus when confronted by defensive pressure. They all too often let defenders alter their shots and subsequently draw less contact resulting in FTs – not to mention a lot of missed ‘bunny’ shots that should be going in. Go in strong you big young fellas!

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by lietothegirls on Jan 21, 2010 11:57 PM PST up reply actions  

TS% wasn't something I looked at but I agree it's a problem

especially for Spencer. I have no way of correlating FTA’s to where the player was shooting when he got foued, so it wasn’t possible anyways. But, if you want to assume that the bigs only get fouled near the rim, it’s obvious that Spencer’s lack of aggressiveness is costing the team points every game.

But, if you want to look at effiiciency you can compare FGA’s to Total Points (2pt, 3pt, & FT), and then Spencer doesn’t look to bad.
                      FGA’s Total PTS Ratio
Martin 147 142 .97
Tyreke 601 571 .95
JT 457 432 .95
Spence 367 368 1.00
Omri 369 403 1.09
Donte 251 252 1.00
Beno 408 459 1.13

JT took 90 more FGA’s than Spencer, and he had 95 more FTA’s and made 71 more than Spencer. But, Spencer still had a better PTS to FGA’s ratio, and was only outscored by JT by 64 PTS. When you consider MPG, the totals aren’t that far apart, and Spencer is still one of the top 4 most efficient shooters on the Team.

I don’t like comparing players from different positions using TS%. Beno & Omri are the 2nd and 3rd highest in 3pt attempts behind Noc, and 2nd & 3rd in 3P% behind Martin. They took 100 3’s between them, so to compare them to Spencer or JT really isn’t fair.

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by HighTops on Jan 22, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed that comparisons at different positions are tough

My point (without doing much research, as usual) is that your bigs should usually have a better shooting percentage, due to their perceived proximity to the basket. That is certainly not the case with us, but part of that is that Spencer and JT take more shots away from the basket than say, Dalembert, Okafor, Chandler, Noah, etc.

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by section214 on Jan 22, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know about Dalembert and the other guys

But, Howard shoots 72% at the rim, and Horford shoots 74%, now JT and Spencer shoot 59%. So, I’ve got to ask myself, do I think that our guys should be scoring closer to some of the top scorers in the league in low post. And, I have to say, No I don’t believe that they are that far below my expectations.

For both Spencer & JT to have shot 70% at the rim, Spencer would have had to make only 16 more baskets, and JT would have had to make 19 over 40 games, That only 1 more every 2 games. That’s why I like using actual FGM and not percentages.

Last point on our young bigs. Over 60% of their points at the rim are assisted. So, one might assume that they are less skilled at creating their own shot in the blocks, and are more dependent on their guards, then older and more experienced low post players. So, at least to me, as they get more experience they should improve and the improvement could be quite significant.

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by HighTops on Jan 22, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Excellent points

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by section214 on Jan 22, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, actually the point of True Shooting percentage is to smooth out the differences.

Stereotypical Big Guy A would normally have: High FG% (shoots close to the rim), little or no 3pt shooting and typically worse free throws than small guy.

Stereotypical Small Guy B would normally have a lower FG% because of shooting from further away and higher FT% because good perimeter shooting usually (not always) correlates to good FT shooting.

So looking at FG%, big guys should be higher than small guys, in general.

True shooting percentage smoothes all of this out by giving the small guy credit for 3 points on made 3’s and taking free throws into account, which theoretically evens the playing field. Using True Shooting % as the metric, there shouldn’t be any bias of bigs vs. smalls.

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by ForThree on Jan 23, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Well said 4-3.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 23, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Very true,

It basicly tells you who is the most efficient shooter, who’s going to produce the most points per shot. What it doesn’t tell you is who’s the most accurate, or who has the highest chance of making a shot.

If you’re down by 1 with seconds to go, you don’t necessarily want the player with the highest TS% to take the last shot. None of the Kings have an actual shooting percentage from 3pt range over 50%. Casspi is the closest at 52 for 119 or 43.7%. From 2pt range Beno is the most accurate at 55.1%, Donte is the most accurate Forward at 52.6%, and Spencer is the most accurate among PF’s & Centers at 50.2%. So, that last shot should probably go to Beno.

What I was doing is trying to find out if we were actually shooting less accurate than average, and not less efficient than average. Unfortunately, most of our main shooters don’t have a lengthy history to compare to, so I compared them to the league average. It didn’t reveal any blatant changes, but it did show that the team is only average shooters.

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by HighTops on Jan 23, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

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