Post-Game Thread: Kings at Heat
by Tom Ziller on Jan 23, 2010 7:15 PM PST
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I don't see what's wrong with giving Bobby a little experience before he starts to practise law.
by swoosh91 on Jan 23, 2010 7:15 PM PST reply actions 17 recs
Sadly I agree.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
...and it goes green
Sometimes I wish it went red, though.
In a nutshell: We need defense
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
yep!
I tell ya what… we get our offense going and then learn how to play some defense and, boy we’re gonna make some waves in this league!
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
by Mucho Moss on Jan 23, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
As if November & December weren't bad enough....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Clearly.
Bad D is a major problem, same story as the past several seasons.
Still, just throwing it out there… what do you guys think is the deal with K-Mart?
I’m not trying to start a fracas, I just want a reasoned perspective. Is he just rusty? Is he not clicking with the new line-up? Is Westphal not utilizing his abilities well? All of the above? What do you think?
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
I think it's mental.
He just can’t decide what he wants to do out there.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Yeah, that's gotta be part of it, pookey
Last year he was option 1 and 2 and then, when all else fails, “K-Mart drives to the hoop and gets to the line for two”. A bit predicable maybe, but at least it was consistent.
1 for 7 is ridiculous but part of what’s crazy about it is the “7”.
Only seven shots?
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Exactly! Even with Reke here, I think he should be taking about 15-18 shots a game!
There can only be one Noce!
He was passing up shots.
That’s what I found so incredulous about the whole thing.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
He's trying to get everyone involved
and I think it has to do with everyone criticizing him for messing with the team chemistry.
The future begins now...
That's not his job.
That’s Tyreke’s.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
That' what he has to fight back at home
Which is ridiculous. I’ve said it before, he can’t win against all the idiots throwing him under the bus.
He shoots too mcuh, he needs to stop shooting and pass the ball. He scores too much, he’s selfish. He passes the ball, he needs to score and shoot more.
PW or Petrie need to go to him and let him now what’s up. It’s all in his head right now. My best gess
The future begins now...
I don't think Reke is getting it to him
enough when he comes around the pick and is open, so it ends up being a huge waste of effort. And then Kevin goes and hides in the corner while Tyreke pounds the rock and drives or shoots or maybe passes to someone else.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree
He has had many chances to shoot the ball and he chose to pass. Whether he gets the ball from Reke or another teammate I think is a bit irrelevant because he is still getting the ball. He’s just not shooting it.
He needs a good offensive game to break the slump. I hope it’ against the Warriors.
The future begins now...
Historically he has great games against the Warriors.
Let’s hope Tuesday is another one of those.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Are you going to Arco?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I think we're going to play better next week.
Just a hunch.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I have no doubt
I think it was a combination of the road, tougher teams, return of Kmart, and just bad games.
Home cooking is what this young team needs
The future begins now...
A few days off will help too.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I have no doubt the Kings will be off tomorrow.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Tonight was more about his number of makes than attempts.
Because 7 shots in 24 minutes is not “ridiculous”. Tyreke only took 10 shots in 31 minutes… about the same rate- limited playing time for all the starters tonight.
Or do you think because K-mart has a lot of critics at home he’s lost confidence in his shooting altogether? That’s no excuse to go 1-7 field goals, 3-5 free throws and have 5 turnovers.
Despite it not being reflected in his number of FG attempts, I think K-mart has been putting a lot of effort in trying to get others involved. When we see him passing up the open shots to try and set up someone else (and still mostly going 1-on-1 when he does shoot) and turning the ball over a lot, that might just show that trying to play team ball will take him more time to get used to. That, and rustiness.
No one wants Kevin to pass up open shots; people just want to see more ball movement and a lot better defense. If he responds to that, I think it will be appreciated by his critics and also pay off for the team in the long run.
I was talking about the criticism being ridiculous back in Sacramento
It’s like a lot of fans and radio people want him to fail and want to put the whole blame of the team’s slide on his shoulders. I wish StR was the majority in Sacramento because of the smart discourse that happens here, but that’s just not the case
I appreciate a lot the fact that Speed is getting his teammates involved and his assist numbers are reflecting that. His board numbers are also looking good. And I know a lot of people appreciate that, but the critics won’t. Believe me Mike, they’ll stay find of ways of criticizing the guy.
That’s what I think it’s unfair and ridiculous. I wish they would just give him time to get back and wok off the rust. It’s just a tough time for the guy and I can’t help but think that this is all affecting him.
The future begins now...
by edm7 on Jan 23, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Kevin Martin deserves better
Personally, never been the biggest Kevin Martin fan but I must admit this guy is getting screwed over. I find it funny how in sports (and in the entertainment industry as well) we love to build these guys up and them bring them down. Personally I get the feeling that Kevin is going to get the raw end of the deal here. Just last year we had Peaches, a Maloof employee, rip him on the radio. There are also alot of people in this league who thought he was too thin and frail to amount to anything and his jump shot is all kinds of ugly. It almost feels like there are alot of people in the media who, at risk of their own reputation, have already said stuff about how he is soft and overrated and are just jumping at anything to blame him for.
As for casual fans trashing him, I dunno what to say. Heck, this past year 49er fans were blaming Crabtree for 49er losses because signed with them and apparantly since he was playing and losing it was his fault. Seems sort of similar to this. Alot of people seem to only pay attention a little bit and I can’t really blame them for thinking “hey the kings lost with Martin but they were winning earlier, therefore he sucks.” I think it is completely wrong and ignores things like opponent records and home/away games but i can’t really blame them. HOWEVER, I find it ridiculous when national sports writers, people who are paid to watch the frickin games, come up with these conclusions and that’s what troubles me the most because they seem to only be reinforcing agendas.
I dunno, sorry if i sound paranoid and probably am exagerating. However, if some of us are getting a little jaded and paranoid about this, can you imagine how frustrated Kevin Martin is getting?
by wallywagon11 on Jan 23, 2010 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
wally with wisdom, rec'd
and ed with truth, rec’d
I dont’ understand the sentiment from the media people and pundits. I am no more accountable or accurate a sage than anyone else but I still find a way to take offense. My current flavor of dislike is Whitey on the Rise Guys, who is a nice, bright and engaging host for the most part. He wants the Kings to trade Kevin Martin for Al Jefferson (next week could be Amar’e Stoudamire) and I guess I thought he had more insight than that.
Right now, Kevin Martin is trying to find his place. He has no problem being the second banana, or third banana, he has done it before. I have no doubt he would prefer to be a second option (or third) option on a good team than a first option on a bad team – not like Big AL or STAT. To me, these two (here for example) are numbers guys with egos. Kevin Martin is a numbers guy without the ego and a better contract – what do you gain?
The current situation is a short lived one. Most of us here on StR are talking forests and the minority ranting about trees.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 24, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
Rec'd for the last line
I’m pretty partial to the “missing the forest for the tree” analogy.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
i don't necessarily have a problem with people talking about wanting jefferson
I mean, i get where it’s coming from, we need another big. Granted he can’t play D and we really need some but (a) it’s hard to judge defense (even if you pay a heck of a lot of attention and espeically if you just casually watch) and (b) yeah he has comparable value to Martin © hit would help even out our roster and (d) although poor defensively it would be nice to have a third competent young big man
But why the heck would even the Twolves do that right now? I mean, i understand them trying to go after granger, both are injury prone and i would think granger is better than Kmart, i could see that being worth the risk but i don’t see why they would risk losing jefferson for kmart right now. They have a whole season left, they know they are getting a lottery pick, why not wait until after the season? After all their biggest addition will be through the draft, so why not wait until after that to decide what they want to do with their roster? I can understand jumping the gun for granger but not Kmart.
By the way, is it just me or does everyone care WAY too much about how our roster looks? Seems like everyone is really over emphasizing the need for certain positions. Yeah the kings really have a goofy roster but (a) why do you have to trade our biggest asset to change that and (b) my goodness do you really think we are going to make the playoffs this year? Seems to me, much like the Twolves, our biggest addition is coming in the draft and it might be best to work out our roster after we figure out how we want to go there.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
I think so, too! He has heard so much criticism...got to be messing with his head.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
it seems to be
but if has a good game – next game or the game after or whenevre.. he will be back. That may not translate to wins, but it is a good start.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 23, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
Those first few games back
he looked pretty sharp. Now it’s like he’s totally lost the thread.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Thanks for the way you phrased this Mucho Moss
I think part is rust, part is not being successful, which has resulted in a confidence crisis and part is trying to fit in.
I think he really does want to respond to the critics and deal with their issues. He’s trying hard on defense. Every time he touches the ball he’s looking for teammates first. Its plainly obvious he wants things to work with Tyreke.
So he’s come back emphasizing these things, always with his great shooting as the ace in the hole, and guess what, for some reason the ace isn’t there. The thing he could always fall back on, probably since he started playing isn’t working for him; and he’s totally lost.
I’d like to say seeing three jumpshots in a row go in will fix everything, and I think there’s a reasonable chance it will. I hate to even throw it out there, but did he come back too early? Is he still hurt?
Hopefully its a giant case of rust combined with a young team trying to reintegrate a huge piece, while already playing terribly on the longest road trip of the year. All I can say is, in the long run, this still might not be a big deal, and I hope Kevin finds his jumpshot soon.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
It doesn't sound like they have had any chance to practice since his return either
maybe some home cooking and time in the practice gym will do them all some good.
He came down on the injured wrist
I think it was in the Charlotte game. He used the left wrist to break the fall. Then he held it like it hurt for a while in that game. I haven’t seen him favor it since then, but that could be a factor.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 24, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
You the guy in blue or white?
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love was on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
the Kings went from eating a sandwich
to taking a dive ih the standings
by betweentheeyes on Jan 23, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
Rust on the brain
I need more beer.
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love was on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
Me too
But I gotta walk down to Blockbuster and I’m not in the mood to do that either if I drink more beer. Argh!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Does it matter Bizarro? LOL
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
The guy in blue proably already finished his sando,
where as the guy in white now has to eat a soggy sandwich.
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love was on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
by bizarroguru on Jan 23, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
you understand so much
and I so little
by betweentheeyes on Jan 23, 2010 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
A wise man once said,
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love was on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
So who is the wise man?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
That's the problem
I don’t know one. Mom however, has got this life thing down pat.
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love was on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
Your mom likes living huh?
Shocking.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
i can tell you from experienc that this scenario is not much fun
when you are holding your brand new iphone that you purchased that morning!!!
by thisismellow on Jan 23, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
Or 3.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Ouch mellow.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I think with young teams like ours,
it becomes harder to break out of a slump. The guys are noticeably depressed. Time for a spa week-end and a healthy dose of Tony Robbins.
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love was on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
HighTops eloquently explained in his post
Are the Kings really in a Shooting Slump
and the truth is, they are in a playing slump
I am watching Bulls v Rockets
and remember the Bulls looked awful and they are back. The Rockets are a mildly talented team without a star and they are playoff contenders.
In other words: the Kings can still win games and make a run towards some respectability and lack of talent is an excuse but not a convincing one
by betweentheeyes on Jan 23, 2010 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
Well said.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
What he said
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love was on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
Need to write another post,
to take my mind off this suckitude.
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love was on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
There's no place like home. There's no place like home.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 7:36 PM PST reply actions
So if you had to keep two players from this team
and hope they would be leading the team in five years and everyone else would be gone, who would they be? And if you want to pick less than two, that’s also an option.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 7:38 PM PST reply actions
Tyreke & the 2010 draft pick are my choices.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Tyreke for sure...maybe Kevin
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
John Wall and Tyreke Evans.
Remember folks, I'm almost always wrong.
My sig was too long...
by Scott Coleman on Jan 23, 2010 7:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Derrick Favors or Ed Davis
Both the inside presence the Kings need. The Kings don’t need to clog up the wing even more.
by CloudyEyes on Jan 23, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
DeMarcus Cousins
I would rather have him above those other two.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
I've only seen Cousins in spurts
but I am impressed. Very physical in kind of a nasty in your face way.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 24, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
I'm going to have to catch some games soon of all 3.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Much Appreciated
Right now DeMarcus Cousins is ranking higher than ANY other freshman in the history of NCAA basketball. If he can keep it up, he will have a better score than both Beasley AND Blake Griffin did in their sophomore years!
Still a ways to go and he may not come out for the draft. Only thing I will say is that with John Wall, Patrick Patterson and a couple other impressive players on that team, Kentucky looks like a surefire final 4 bid. Look for them in the finals this year. A lot of it might depend on their so-so bench.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
When you're top heavy though it may not matter.
If one of their guys is hurt, though, they won’t win.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Shot Blocker
Right now he looks to mainly be a defensive beast with a great block percentage and rebounding average. He can also score a bit and has proven that he knows how to pass the ball a bit. I like him. RIght now, he scores at 86.5. I don’t see him being a top 10 pick but he can be a good pickup for the Kings if they get a second first round pick in the 20’s. The Kings could use him but not as their top pick.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
I've just caught him for minutes of a few games
He has looked good against good competition, and great against lesser competition (no surprise there). He looks to be an able passer and he does have a little shooter’s touch, at least when I have seen him. He’s one of those guys that I just had not heard of, and he’s made an impression when I’ve seen him, even moreso than Derrick Favors (note – I’m not saying Udoh > Favors, just that UDoh > Favors in the games that I have seen).
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Very nice
Thanks for the insight. I will look closer at him. Another guy you may want to check out is Dexter Pittman on the Texas Longhorns. Good size, can score, rebound and block shots. Needs to lose some weight but is interesting.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
I saw him, and I agree
I think what may separate Pittman and Udoh from guys like Larry Sanders and Justin Vanardo is that Pittman and Udoh have some offensive chops. Vanardo and Sanders look a lot more raw on the offensive end.
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"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love was on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
wow!
I can’t believe you’ve given up on Udoka!
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
I thought we could only pick 2?
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love was on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
2 or less, yes those are the rules.
But, as we know, rules are made to be broken …
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Tyreke and Omri
no doubt about it. The ceiling on those guys is potentially very, very high.
I hope Cisco is also still around when we turn the corner…
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
I don't get the Omri is a "Star" thing.
He’s not.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
he is not
but he is a very solid starting piece. He appears to learn fast and has no intention of failing. The comparison to a Hedo or Jamaal Wilkes is reasonable. A guy you want on your team.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 23, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not old enough to understand what you mean by Wilkes
But yeah that’s a good point about Hedo.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
updated comparison for you young ones
Doug Christie,, Danny Ainge, Manu Ginobili, Jason Terry – someone who can come up big, will play his heart out, will probably never see an All-Star game but never backs down.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 23, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
I know who Jamaal Wilkes is
I just never saw him play. The kind of things you’re describing were best seen live at the time it happened.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Ainge & Ginobili both have been All-Stars in their career though. (They each have made it once.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
All Star team
or not, Manu became an NBA star for sure.
To win NBA titles you need players like Manu Ginobili, and I think Omri has the physical tools to get there. There’s no reason why he couldn’t develop into a real menace on defense. He’s quick, he can jump, has long arms, plays smart. Why not?
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
He doesn't have long arms.
It just seems like he does.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I don't know
exactly what that means, but it’s pretty funny!
(And I know I wouldn’t want someone telling me my arms looked longer than they really were. Ha!)
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
And I meant long arms in relation to his height.
A 6’9 wingspan is very long.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Ginobili
That’s good too.
I remember seeing Manu at Arco when he first came into the league and it was like he thought he was in a wrestling match more than a basketball game. I was laughing at how aggressive and raw he was, all fire and potential.
Within a year and a half he’d developed into one of the most dangerous players in the NBA.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Wilkes was a star
NBA Rookie of the Year, made three or 4 All-Star teams.
And I agree in that Omri has physical gifts not dissimilar from Jamaal Wilkes, and I could see him developing his game along those lines. If Omri came even close to becoming a Jamaal Wilkes I would call him a “star”, definitely.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
You 2 are the same age.
Compare Wilkes to Omri all you like. But if you’re talking about Omri being a guy like Manu, I don’t see that either unless Omri gets A LOT better defensively. That may happen, but I doubt it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Omri right now is going five places at once
His mind is too fast for the game and he plays with too much urgency. Once he learns where and how to pick his spots he will be a stud. He can score, he can defend and mostly, he plays to win every minute.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 23, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
There was an outside shot at the end of the game
where he took his time and it went in, just as smooth as his earlier-season form. Hopefully he can recapture that and relax a bit.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
I wish JT & Beno could take that lesson too.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I agree with the comment in the game thread
that Beno is more effective when we run and they can’t defend his pullup as easily.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
That's so true of JT as well.
He gets better shots when the game is uptempo. Again, that goes back to Tyreke and the team playing defense. Which they aren’t doing very well right now. The Kings are relying upon players who are not anywhere near their final development point.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
He has tons of talent
I don’t agree he’ll be an All-Star.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I agree.
So much potential with the kid.
Truly outstanding physical talent and athleticism is something we’ve been in short supply of on the Kings for a while. Obviously in that category Tyreke is almost off the charts. But of course a player needs to be able to channel that talent into a very demanding team sport.
After ‘Reke I think Omri has the highest ceiling on this roster. Donte’ has quite a bit of raw athletic ability too, but to me it looks like Omri will put it all together sooner and better.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
If I'm wrong about Omri I'll gladly admit it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Me too.
We’ve been so talent-challenged for so long that maybe I’m seeing more in Omri than is there. Like when a guy crawling through the desert sees an oasis!
“Quincy Douby Syndrome” ;>)
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Heh.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Here is a different look at the Omri Casspi predictions
Let’s try movie actors. Guys who bring it, aren’t headliners but carry a role and make the story work.
John Lithgow, Hank Azaria, John C. Reilly, Tim Roth, Eric Stoltz – guys who aren’t matinee idols but are recognized as best supporting actors.
Yes, I am thinking about this wayyyy too much
by betweentheeyes on Jan 24, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
John C Reilly
has a slow first step and he can’t drive to his left.
Sweet pull-up jumper from 15 feet though!
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Even if Manu's defense sucked
He’d still be a very good player.
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
You mean not now
or no way he’ll ever be?
To me he has the most raw physical talent of any player on the team other than Tyreke.
Omri has got good size and length, and is strong for a 3. He’s quick and has a nice first step. He can run the floor, good jumping ability. He plays with emotion but seems to have a good hoops IQ.
He nailed some outside shots I didn’t think we’re in his bag of tricks recently too. I just think he has great potential on both offense and defense.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Not now
And very likely not ever. I’ll be shocked if he’s ever an All-Star. I won’t be dumbfounded, but to say I saw it coming is not something I’m ever going to say. I just don’t see it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
This coming from an expert who would
rather have JT/Hawes than Chris Bosh. Eeeygad.
Do me a favor a compare Omri stats as a rookie to other SF stars in the NBA and get back to me with your brilliant insights:
Hedo
Peja
Danny Granger
Dirk Nowitski
Joe Johnson
How do their stats match up against Omri as first year players?
You really have no clue when you further consider what makes a star is an ability to score in a multitude of ways when a lot of areas on the floor: drives, fast break, mid game, long range, Omri has showed us a little of everything in half of a season. This does not even mention defense, rebounding, character traits and other intangibles.
i dunno if i would call hedo or peja a star but i am pretty sure casspi is at least doing better than hedo did in his rookie year.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 23, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
Peja
Stojakovic was a three time All-Star. In 2004 he finished 2nd in the league in scoring and was 4th in MVP balloting. I’d say that qualifies as a star.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
You could consider Peja a star wally.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
That's right blog.
I totally ignored all those things.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
blob^
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I disagree a little on Omri's talent
only because I have a lot of respect for the talent it takes to stay in front of the best players in the NBA, which Donte has.
I think Ginobili is a little off because I don’t ever see Omri being that kind of facilitator on offense and his ball handling would have a long ways to go.
All of that said, I’m not trying to take anything away from Omri. He’s got tons of potential if it can be directed to the right places.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Way too early to be writing the book on Omri
Do you really want a list of all the players that took more than 1 year to develop? You’re better than that, Pook
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
Yeah
Give it to me.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Too lazy
But Nash and Gerald Wallace come to mind. And they took way more than 1 year.
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
Next.
Not worth throwing that logic out the door.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Second question: who will be a better pro, Derrick Rose or Tyreke?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 7:40 PM PST reply actions
Evans
but it is a Deron Williams v Chris Paul kind of thing. They will both be super. What their teams do will go along way to their career standings.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 23, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
Those are quality numbers
But Curry as Deron Williams? Not sure about that one.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I think you mixed up the questions
He’s comparing Rose vs. Tyreke and Williams vs. Paul.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
I think you're mixing it up.
Deron Williams & Chris Paul were drafted the same year. Tyreke Evans & Derrick Rose were not.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
we are talking about pro careers not age or draft comparison
by betweentheeyes on Jan 23, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
I know.
It’s a good point truthfully. Although, I think I’d rather have Jennings than Curry. But that’s me.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I haven't watched Jennings very much. Curry is coming along nicely
he has a good head on his shoulders and makes very good decisions. Defensively he just don’t show much, being on the Warriors and teaming with Monta doesn’t help. But he is making the most of his court time. I like him.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 23, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
He's a smart kid who's got a ton of talent.
You don’t have to convince me of that. I just think Jennings is better.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
He's a smart kid who's got a ton of talent.
You don’t have to convince me of that. I just think Jennings is better.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I agree
Curry has some very interesting skills but Jennings has the makings of an NBA stud.
I say this of course having very limited looks at either guy. I’ll be at the T-Wolves game on March 14 though, and I’ll give a full report after that.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Are you talking about Flynn?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
oops
I meant the Bucks game. 19th…
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Hopefully you can meet up with StR. :P
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I'll be at the T Wolves game too.
and possibly the Spurs in April. It’d be fun to see some fellow Sactown denizens!
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
You'll see them. They're going to sit up there with 214 most likely.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Reke.
Remember folks, I'm almost always wrong.
My sig was too long...
by Scott Coleman on Jan 23, 2010 7:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This team needs to ruffle some feathers.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
by iashwash on Jan 23, 2010 7:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
And the Final Jeopardy question: does Curry have a chance to overtake Tyreke for ROY?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 7:42 PM PST reply actions
Hell no
Remember folks, I'm almost always wrong.
My sig was too long...
by Scott Coleman on Jan 23, 2010 7:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Reke has to completely fall off.
That’s very unlikely.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Will it matter
if Golden State continues to win and passes us in the standings, and Curry is able to significantly close the scoring gap?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
no because Curry cannot take over games like Tyreke
and he is still a defensive liability. Tyreke brings the whole meal, Curry is a tasty hors d’ourve who may become a delicious appetizer.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 23, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
Playing well for a month won't get you the rookie of the year.
Playing well all year gets you the rookie of the year. Even LeBron James had bad games as a rookie.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I think it's a longshot
but I think Curry has an outside outside chance if he ups his numbers and Warriors win more than five games more than the Kings.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with you
its within the realm of possibility; especially if we completely implode.
(Which I don’t think is going to happen, but you never know.)
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
That's fair CC.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
those games have been erased by Nike
by betweentheeyes on Jan 23, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
we need Kevin Martin back
the REAL kevin martin, not the imposter that has shown up the past six game.
by spencerslover4eva31 on Jan 23, 2010 7:42 PM PST reply actions
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
by iashwash on Jan 23, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well timed IW.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
That's classic
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love was on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
Final final questions: how many games will the Kings win this season, and in what season will they next make the playoffs?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 7:45 PM PST reply actions
They will win 27.573943 times
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
This is my last gif, really slowing the page down. SOrry
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
Those are so cute.
Where did you get them?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
That's a hard one...so many variables. 30 games at a minimum
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I say 25 and will make the playoffs in 2012-13
that means they go 10-30.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 23, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
I agree on the playoff year
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
I still think 30 is in play btw
I’m just sticking with my original preseason prediction.
The future begins now...
That is sounding pretty reasonable about now
Although maybe another season until the playoffs?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
Reasonable as well
I’m looking at 27-30 Ws this season, about 35-38 season after, and then we fight for the 8th, 7th seed with 41-45 Ws.
Now that I see it written down it does sound a bit too optimistic. I’ll stick with it anyways
The future begins now...
I'm sticking with 32
The good thing about being young and streaky is that it is just as easy to get on a hot streak as it is to get on a cold streak. We still have a big road trip in Feb, but there are more winnable games on that one. If we can string a few together, we can have a winning month in March.
Oh! forgot part two. They will make the playoffs next season
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
34 games this season and a playoff birth next season,
if we pick up a top 10 bigman otherwise, 2011
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love was on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
That can happen...Remember when Kings got Ron Artest and he predicted they would make the playoff?
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
you are using Ron Artest as your source of reason?
by betweentheeyes on Jan 23, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
Here is why I am using him.
When we got him on the team, almost all hope of making the playoffs was gone. Remarkably, Ron Artest announced to the news media that the team would make the playoffs. The team had confidence (at that time) and rallied to make the playoffs! My point being, confidence can be contagious and change quickly.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I guess one last question
Does the team’s recent play make you less likely to attend games at Arco, or does it have no impact at all?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 7:59 PM PST reply actions
Less likely, definitely
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
They have to come back and compete
Winning helps but they have to show effort every minute of the 48, especially at home.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 23, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
+1
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love was on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
In my case, none.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Nope.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I thought about trying to get a flight down
But the problem is I have class that ends at noon, and that only gives me 7 hours to get to Sac. That’s a tight flight schedule. I could do it, but I don’t want to pay 250 bux for the plane ticket to go back a day or two later. Not worth it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
That being said if money wasn't in the way I'd do it. LOL
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I'd rather see the Blazers than the Bucks
and besides the Suns game I probably have about one more road trip in me this year.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
Me too.
But that’s me. But partly my motivation was that I could see that game and not miss any classes or anything. So getting a plane ticket made more sense for that game.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
No impact on me
I have a season package anyways. If I didn’t…. still no impact
The future begins now...
Might be easier to get the $10 tickets
If that’s a silver lining.
I hope they play well going forward, at least at home. We’re going to see the Kings-Suns Feb. 5.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully the game is as good as it was January.
That was a great game.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I have a beef with PW's substituting today but while I was looking at stats, I realized something...
PW IS setting his rotation.
Look at this.
In the last 5 games, my man Nocioni has played 7 (Heat), 11(Magic), 4 (Hawks), 21 (Bobcats) and 4mins (Wiz). That means PW has committed to playing him about 4-10mins a night, with the exception of that 21min game where he earned more PT by playing well (5-11 FG, 3-7 3PT’s, part of big comeback against Cats)
With Donte Greene, PW has committed to playing him about 20-25mins a night. His mins in the last 5 games are 29, 16, 16, 32, 20. His stats aren’t that much better than Noce (8, 5, 0, 12, 7pts) but again, we are just talking about PT. And yes, the 32min game was were he was playing better, shooting 4-7, with 12 pts.
Omri Casspi is now PW’s 25-30 min guy, logging in 27, 16, 30 ,22 and 24mins. In the 30min game, he went for 16pts on 8-13 shooting.
JT is a 20-25 min guy (usually because of fouls), logging in mins of 23, 26, 36, 16, 23, Evans (31, 36, 32, 40, 40) and Martin (24, 40, 37, 26, 37)are 35-40min guys.
Beno (13, 24, 30, 24, 22) is now a 25min guy while Spencer Hawes (26, 18, 12, 12, 38) has the biggest fluctuations in PT, mostly because Hawes is inconsistent and can come in with a great performance or a sucky one on any given day.
Brockman (23, 18, 22, 30, 12) seems to be slotted for about 20mins a game while Udoka (16, 12, 7, 4, 12), like Noce is a 4-10min guy
Armstrong, Sergio, K9 and May mop up what’s left of the mins or play according to match ups.
That being said, I now see PW’s rotation. I must say, if he’s consistent with this, then I’m okay with it.
There can only be one Noce!
by NoceOne on Jan 23, 2010 8:05 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I would love to see Noc moved sooner than later.
I’m just curious if there are ANY offers out there.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I think it's a matter of teams wanting to wait to sift and see all the options out there.
I’m convinced Noc could help quite a few teams.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
me too. But I doubt we'll give him away too.
Which is the main crux for me. Are we willing to trade him away for just anyone or are we looking for an effective big man or expirings?
There can only be one Noce!
I think we would prefer expirings.
And I think the Kings have had offers of players they don’t want because they aren’t that good. I think Petrie is trying to make something work for him, but with Noc that isn’t likely to happen.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
which is why I dont think there's a deal out there that gets Noce out of here.
Unless he is packaged with Kmart, K9 etc…
There can only be one Noce!
Kmart won't happen I know that. (Despite what is being said.)
K9 is a small possibility, but you’re talking about 16 mil in expirings, and I just don’t see that.
I could see Jared Jeffries for Noc very easily. Unless New York thinks that cap space will be massively important come the 2011 off-season. (Which they may, but I don’t understand that.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Not sure D'Antoni likes Noce.
How about the Bucks, with people like Warrick and Mboute in play?
There can only be one Noce!
I doubt that happens.
Unless the Kings take on Michael Redd.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
This is the problem with dealing Noce.
We either get offers of bad players with ok contracts, good players with onerous contracts, neither of which we want to do.
There can only be one Noce!
Precisely.
I think the Kings will accept a moderate savings like a Jared Jeffries at this point. The question is will the Knicks accept?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Interesting stuff
Thanks.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
Very interesting that you tracked those minutes! Now you need to plot them on a graph. lol
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I should have known :)
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Play of the Day tonight?
I’ll nominate the Hilton Armstrong length of the court steal and throwdown. He showed some nice athleticism there.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 8:10 PM PST reply actions
Sergio to Casspi alley oop in garbage time.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Hawes needs to start
I love Brockman, but he’s a role player at best. The Kings should start Hawes and live with the growing pains as he finds his way.
Hawes wants to be a shooter, Brockman is a defense guy
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I'd like to see Hawes initiate more plays
like Divac and Miller… an inside presence is great to have, but you don’t need it to be great — the Kings have proven that in the past.
by Pollard4LIfe on Jan 23, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
And, how is playing all those defensive guys working out?
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The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Says the Scott Pollard Guy
Where else can the Kings get “inside presence”? Staying at the Hilton Armstrong?
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by Hit4TheCycle on Jan 23, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
They may both be role players at best
Hawes has more weapons, but makes more mistakes. Brock provides the basics. To me those two and JT should all play roughly equal minutes (20-30, more to whoever has it going best.).
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Which they seem to be doing.
JT plays around 25mins, the other two average at around 20mins.
There can only be one Noce!
I like the Armstorong play, but I'll go with the Sergio to Casspi alley oop (in garbage time)
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Play of the Week
for me is the Brockman steal and throwdown.
I also liked it when he took on the camera. And he had a nice wrestling match with Dwight Howard as well.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 23, 2010 8:21 PM PST reply actions
Thoughts about those technical calls on Westphal and Greene?
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
The Kings would have lost by 29 instead of 31.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Jan 23, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Westphal post-game interview question
Did anyone hear the question that was asked about Spencer and JT, which Westphal declined to answer at that time? I couldn’t hear it…curious as to what it was.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
You don't throw a young team under the bus because they had a crappy road trip.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Didn't think that I was...just curious as to what was asked.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Yes I understand.
I was giving my reasoning as to why PW wouldn’t answer the question.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
There was also one that he answered by saying
“If you knew these guys you wouldn’t ask that question.” Couldn’t hear the Q either. Anyone know?
The future begins now...
The question was " What about the lack of fighting spirit"
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Yes, I agree that was probably his reasoning. He was being sensitive to them.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
You never judge a guy by how poorly he plays. Unless he consistently plays poorly.
You judge a guy by how well he plays. PW knows that, but I’m wondering how many media/fans do. I always wonder that actually.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Not sure if you were repeating
but he said something along the lines of “this is not a game where you can judge players on” for another one of the questions.
The future begins now...
I did hear this one and Westphal's response...
My thoughts to his response runs along the line that since this game was so terrible, you cannot judge anyone’s (performance).
(I would agree with that, because the circumstance of having a really bad game fails to present an accurate picture of what each person is capable.)
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I haven't heard of this either, but I like it...
I think back to when the guys so well together. They set the bar for themselves, because they showed everyone what they were capable of doing. We know that they can one day turn it around and do it again.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
The question was..
what more do you need to see from JT and Spencer now?
by spencerslover4eva31 on Jan 23, 2010 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
I think about the only thing this team can do right now
Is get home, get some sleep, get back into the practice facility, and just try and forget that trip.
For some reason
I truly believe it’s not going to be too hard to put this road trip behind them. I feel like they’ll get back to practicing and PW will just say that it’s time to have a new start and they’ll do just that.
The future begins now...
Agreed
I can totally see PW doing that. In fact, I for some reason can also see PW being just like Jimmie Johnson. Sure it does not make much sense, maybe it’s just their hair talking, but for some reason I see him going in there, burning the game tape in front of everyone, telling everyone we’re starting over, followed by an epic 80’s training montage, followed by a bunch of hustle plays and spinning newspapers about how the home team is winning followed by PW and the gang going out for drinks together.
or …. maybe they will just practice a little bit.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 23, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Thabeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No real reason for that, just like screaming it & I feel like screaming.
I love beating dead horses.
The one nice thing about these losses
Is that Ziller can just keep on copying and pasting the recaps over and over again.
Another nice thing (silver lining)
They most likely hit rock bottom on this trip and have no place to go but up. The old saying that when you fall down, you pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and move forward.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I'm holding off on agreeing with you
Until I return home from the game Tuesday. Lose to the Warriors at home after this trip? Easily lower than rock bottom…
by OrangeLazarus on Jan 23, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
All I can say is.....
Holly Hilton Armstrong dunk….
by elSAVinator on Jan 23, 2010 11:46 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Just a theory, so don't get all hyper, Has Martin reinjured his wrist?
Remember when Martin was blocked going to the rim and 2 guys landed on him. He was rubbing his wrist and seemed to be in discomfort. Then in the next two games he doesn’t even take 10 shots, and he can’t hit his shots (all short) or even his FT’s.
Now, I have nothing substantial to go on, but maybe the wrist is not reinjured as much as tender. I’d think he’d tell the trainer who would tell the coaching staff, but maybe their all hiding that he’s not able to shot up to standard, and trying to work him back slowly.
Just wondering.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
it is an unanswerable question. If Kevin Martin reinjured his wrist, or had a new injury
and you were Kevin Martin – would you say anything?
Hey Kevin, you missed a bunch of games last season, 32 this season – many say you are soft and frail – we gave this time to heal and make us better so welcome back – now, what was that about your wrist?
by betweentheeyes on Jan 24, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Sore wrist or not, I have not seen him stay in front of anyone. He is still terrible defensively, and plays with no intensity whatsoever. How many seasons in a row is he going to get injured, then we have to go through the re-adjusting period again. Only to have hope for the next season only to have the same thing happen again? He reminds me of peja, a terrific three quarter scorer who dissapears in the fourth.
I wish there was a drug people could take
to cure selective memory. But the people that need it the worst wouldn’t take it anyway.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Haters do what haters do
don’t fight them. They are like the undead in the old movies – you chop them down they get back up, you knock a limb and they grow a new complaint. Unlike the movies, you don’t have to run, just pass them by and they are gone and forgotten.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 24, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Like 4-3 I'm also rec'ing this.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I don't know
7 hours not enough time to make the Bucks game? I will picking up Ms. bte from SMF that evening to join the fun, so if you need a ride…
by betweentheeyes on Jan 24, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
I have plenty of time to make it
It’s just that I’m not going to do it given the circumstances. I have a final on Friday and the following Monday. Bad timing I suppose. Such is life.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
there will be other oppurtunities
good for us to know you are not easy
by betweentheeyes on Jan 24, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
There's an advantage to being easy.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
my usual response to learning this information
Can I buy you a drink?
by betweentheeyes on Jan 24, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
And thanks for the offer.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
The haters
Your advice is so true! I having been observing that you cannot argue with them, because you will never win. Ignoring them is the best thing, because they seem to like the attention that they are able to provoke from others. As you say, “Just pass them by.” If they do not get any attention, they will leave.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
i think i just realized
that i need to heed this advice
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
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