Riding Out The Season
by section214 on Jan 24, 2010 11:28 AM PST
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Shown: Kings fans' hearts and souls embarking on recent six game road trip.
Your Sacramento Kings are currently about two games behind the pace that I had predicted for them back in October, and 75% of you said at the time that I was being too optimistic. Yet many of us are now dissatisfied with this 29 win (adjusted projection) team. Why?
Through the first 36 games of this year, the Kings had not lost a game by 20 points or more. The team’s scoring and points yielded average were almost identical, a result of largely competitive and hard fought games. But in the last seven games, the Kings have dropped games by 21 and 31 points. So we’re not just dealing with losses here. We’re dealing with the team being less competitive. During this recent seven game stretch, the Kings have only cracked the 100 point mark once, and they are losing by an average of 15 points. Wha’ happened?
First of all, the schedule has taken a brutal turn. Let’s take a look at the "true winning percentage" of the Kings schedule. By true winning percentage, we don’t just look at an opponent’s record; we look at their home and road record, and take into consideration whether the game is a home or away game. For example, you can look at the recent Charlotte game and say that the Kings lost to a .500 ballclub, or you can consider that the Bobcats are 18-5 at home, a .783 clip that exceeds the Lakers season winning percentage of .767. This is an important factor. The Kings, for example, are a .571 team at home (hey, we’re the Phoenix Suns!), and a .136 team on the road (hey, we’re in between the New Jersey Nets and the Minnesota Timberwolves!). Let’s take a look at the schedule by month:
October – Only 3 games, all losses. The true winning percentage (TWP) of these teams totals .681, roughly the equivalent of Boston’s record this season.
November – The Kings went 8-5 in November. The accumulative TWP of their opponents was .443 which would land somewhere in between the LA Clippers and the Milwaukee Bucks.
December – A 6-9 month playing against a .510 schedule, the equivalent of playing Charlotte or Toronto all month.
January – 1-11 so far, versus a .607 schedule, sort of like playing against San Antonio night in and night out. The good news? The Kings finish the month facing a .375 schedule, so hopefully they win two of the next three.
Recapping on this item, the TWP of the Kings schedule has gotten progressively tougher from November to December to January. The team that looked pretty good playing against a Clippers/Bucks level of schedule has struggled much more against the Spurs level of schedule.
Next, there is the rookie wall factor. Frankly, I think that there has not much impact here, at least not yet. Tyreke Evans is down statistically this month, most notably in rebounds (4.7 for the season, but 3.6 for the month), but that might be partly a result of the tougher schedule. That said, tired legs might be a contributor as well. Omri Casspi’s minutes are up this month, but his numbers are down, and his shot looks like it might have flattened out a little bit. Jon Brockman is showing no signs of hitting the wall, but he is better rested than Evans or Casspi.
Finally, there is the Kevin Martin factor. Martin is trying to work his way back into the flow, and his teammates are trying to get used to him. At times it appears that Martin is trying so hard to fit in that he is not simply playing his game. He is passing on shots that he normally takes, and forcing passes where he may not have passed before. To be fair to Martin, he has played against a much tougher schedule. Referencing back to true winning percentage, the Kings played against a .500 schedule (Toronto/Charlotte) in Martin’s absence, and Martin has suited up to face a .607 schedule (Portland). But what can’t be denied is the fact that the offense has taken a big step backward, and it appeared to occur just one game prior to Martin’s return.
Conclusion? The schedule has gotten tougher, the young players may be getting tired, and the team is trying to figure out how to integrate their most lethal offensive player back into what used to be the flow. In other words, it’s not any one thing – it’s a lot of things. The schedule needs to back off a little (you’re looking at .529 TWP for February), the rooks need to get their second wind, and Kevin Martin needs to meld with his team and with himself. Accomplishing these three things might not translate into significantly more wins, but it should get us back to where the last two minutes of most of these games matter again.
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I wish I could add anything more.
But I know I can’t. You bastard.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Excellent post! Rec'd
This puts things into perspective nicely. Well done Sir!
I got the question of what is up with the Kings last night from my family. I listed off the teams they had been playing ORL, MIA, ATL, and the Bobcats home record. This has been a damned tough stretch!
Given this I still convinced them to go to the game on the 30th.
A little confusing
I read it three times, and couldn’t find where you said we should trade Martin for expirings.
Nice breakdown, I hope the light bulb comes on for some of the “8th Seed Mafia.”
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jan 24, 2010 11:43 AM PST reply actions 8 recs
Rec'd
8th Seed Mafia for whom they shall be eternally called.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
sorry i know this might be a dumb question
but what the 8th Seed Mafia in reference to?
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
The idiots who think the Kings are a playoff team.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
As opposed to the idiots
who think we are still the worst team in the NBA. Neither are paying attention.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
by SavageBeast on Jan 24, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Something to ponder on,
Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people clever enough to take indecent advantage of them.
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love was on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
by bizarroguru on Jan 24, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Wait didn't you just definie Capitalism?
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
by SavageBeast on Jan 24, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
One of my profs told me that 10% of all people are worse than idiots
These are the truly disturbed or in some way off balance individuals that can’t cope with life. I have never found proof that he is wrong. So, 50% idiots, 10% wacked… That other 40%? Smarter folks, but unfortunately smart doesn’t mean they have common sense. That probably accounts for at least 20%. The pool of smart people WITH common sense is not that big…
Very true
Being that I am one of those 10% wacked I can honestly say that fjdkjakdflasdfkjasdklfjdsdf I WILL EAT YOUR BRAINZZZZZ fjkjlkkdfj sjjs snort dfjkf kitty
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
No, you can't be
we have a name for the 10%:
Laker Fans
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
by ForThree on Jan 24, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
And the 19.9% of the population with smarts and common sense
spend all their time bitching about how stupid the other 80% is.
I’m really getting sick of this garbage. Stupidity is annoying, but arrogance is hardly more palatable – and is certainly more morally despicable.
The focus should be on the game – not the other jackasses on the site.
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
Ahh..
So I am an arrogant and morally despicable person? Wow, that is pretty harsh. Why get all bent and offended about people making jokes about this crap? Cause when you do it isn’t only the other jackasses on this site that get focused on.
I think some people just want to be angry all the time.
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
by nothingbutnet on Jan 24, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
True some do...
Some ,also like to judge others… Arrogant and morally despicable person? To judge somebody as without seeing the irony in it is bizarre.
I wouldn't be too harsh on the guy
Granted, it was pretty harsh and hypocritical but he wasn’t directing it at anyone (at least to my knowledge). There are alot of frustrated people at this website at the moment, so i dunno maybe there is some bad karma going around.
However if he ends up responding with a few F bomb rants then please ignore my comment here.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
The thing is...
He may not have been solely directing it at me in particular, but it was a “reply” to me personally. As such, it seems that I am labeled as chief representative of the arrogant and morally despicable persons. As the representative of those so unfairly labeled I call crap on this post and most likely point at a newly defined malady.
It is a degenerative bone disease that rots away the ability of people to find humor and good cheer in their surroundings. Sadly, I must find the thelettere is a degenerative, funny bone deficient bore. It probably has been rotting away for a long time as it does take years. Leaving one to suffer a sad, lonely existence in which even their own closest companions find them to be difficult company at best…. Sad really.
To be honest, I would be pretty pissed off too if I were you and he did need to know that it pissed you off. And I know I am going to be a bit of a douche here jumping into something that really is not any of my business but …
At the same time, I would just leave it where it is. I don’t think you are going to get an apology from him if he keep needling him about it. I think it’s a proven fact that in the history of the internet, there has never been an apology over someone saying something they shouldn’t have said.
I am not saying you have to forgive the guy, again I can see how you would think it was personal. I just think you might be better off just not going back and forth with him.
That is all.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Apparantly i like to (a) not argue and (b) hold grudges. Yikes … i don’t think i like what that says about me.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
kindred spirits
all’s fair in love, war and blogging
by betweentheeyes on Jan 24, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
i must admit, i didn’t expect the “I was judging your post not you” route.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
That sentiment was morally repugnant
No need to personalize things.
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
Personalize?
When you reply to somebody’s post should that person not take it as directed to them? Wouldn’t it be a safe bet that your post was directed at me? It was a reply to something I posted.
You replied to something I posted and applied the label of ‘arrogance’ and ‘morally despicable’ to what I posted and you expect me to just be OK with that? There is a deficiency here at play, but it isn’t moral it is mental. Either lack of its use or an existence within a certain 10%.
Do you think that you can call somebody arrogant and morally deficient without that person taking it personal? Either you gave this very little thought about how it would be received or you just don’t care. Which is it?
I do stupid things sometimes
that does not mean that I am stupid. Ect.
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
I judged what you did
not who you are. There is a big difference.
I do not pretend to be able to portend who you are based upon a few internet postings.
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
Ahh, so it was me doing the stupid things?
Let me get this right. So now I am, according to you, stupid, arrogant, and morally despicable. Is that what you are trying to say here?
All this over some stupid joke.
Dude, you have no sense of humor or sense at all. No common sense for sure. As ForThree says it seems that you just came here to post some crap to start a fight.
Trying to use some kind of weak shit like I was judging your post and not you is just idiotic. What people post is a reflection of themselves and this whole stupid load of BS doesn’t represent you well.
In fact, here you go. I think this applies pretty well.
Good grief Mustang
Way to overreact.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
I find this hilarious
since only a week ago Mustang wrote an entire post based on a knowingly false interpretation of something I’d written in a comment, twisting my words and trying to make it look like I’d called for K-Mart to be traded.
When I protested, and pointed out that he misunderstood, Mustang replied with various half-baked justifications, including insisting that I had said he should be traded and at the same time saying that his post wasn’t directed at me personally. Which was, in a word, crapola.
Instant Blog Karma, Mustang!
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
I could shred this, but what is the point?
You won’t listen to anything I said to just stay bent if you like. I could give a rat’s ass at this point. That is history and weeks old. Just let it go. Holding onto that kind of angst only hurts you.
Shred away, my friend
but all I’m sayin’ is: now you get cranky about someone here not being “accountable” for their criticism of you, while you seem to be incapable of doing the same.
I appreciate the mock concern for my “angst”, but like I said, it’s just that I find your outrage ironic to the point of laugh inducing. You gave me a good chuckle today, Mustang, that’s all.
And why is that you ask? Well, way back in ancient “history” (i.e. last week) the following occurred:
A) Trying to avoid a misunderstanding with you I wrote directly to you and said (and I quote):
*"…I wasn’t saying we should ship Martin out…" *
and:
“I didn’t say Kevin Martin should be traded…”
B) Nevertheless, and for reasons known only to Mustang, you then wrote an entire post claiming I’d called for Martin to be traded. When I protested this you said I hadn’t been “explicit”.
So like I said, shred away, but facts are facts, and frankly an apology would be more in order.
And now that you’re on the receiving end of someone else’s criticism you say: “… you gave this very little thought about how it would be received or you just don’t care. Which is it?”
Ha! I could easily ask you the same question, Mustang. Don’t you find the hypocrisy slightly hilarious?
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
I find you tiresome
Beating some old crap. That is all I find you to be. Somebody who holds onto this kind of stupid stuff and not able to let it go. There is no point to any of this as it has all been covered. Just let it go.
Furthermore let me say.
I did not mean to demean or diss you. As I have said before repeatedly and repeatedly. I was making a post which is to everybody on this site from my reply to you. If you can’t realize that the world doesn’t revolve around you then you got issues. Ego problems..
Even considering all of that and your misrepresenting what I said. Even though I never once said any such thing and even corrected people once your name was brought up by somebody else….
Let me help you find the peace you need here. See I am a big person. I got lots of heart. I don’t go around insulting people, calling them jackasses, or giving people shit. I am a nice guy believe it or not.
So, let me just say. I am really sorry. I in no way meant to hurt your feelings, misrepresent you, offend you, or in any way cause you grief. It is clear that you took my whole post as directed at you and I have repeatedly said I didn’t mean that. That I wasn’t me attacking you. I am really sorry that this upset you and that it came across as an attack on you.
I really hope you can let this go.
I appreciate that you're trying to get this right
Mustang. I believe that you’re a nice guy, seriously. Misunderstandings are as common as lice on the internet, I realize that. But if you’re going to say you’re sorry I want us to be clear about something.
I never said you were directing the post at me. But you did refer directly to our conversation in your post. Again, what you said was:
“… I just had an exchange that is a new one. It went: Kevin Martin has reached his potential and has no upside left so we should keep a rookie and instead trade him. So he has now reached his pinnacle of basketball career and.. IT IS TIME TO GO? My reaction was well beyond just a simple WOW!”
There’s no direct mention of my name here, but you didn’t have to since you were making a direct (albeit distorted) reference to my words.
You know as well as I do that you were referring to and misquoting me in that passage, Mustang. And virtually the entire rest of your post was about our exchange.
Now you want to say I have an “ego problem” but obviously I wasn’t the only one who took it that way, which is why you you then had to go around straightening people out when they called me an idiot, or accused me of stirring up shit.
Finally, the fact that you wrote that post after I’d already written you saying "…"I didn’t say Kevin Martin should be traded…" is simply inexcusable.
So, no, you didn’t “attack” me, or dis me by name, but you did take something I said, remove it from it’s context and make it look like I’d said something very close to the opposite. Then you batted it around like a piñata in a post, inviting others to do the same.
Then, when I got bugged about this and said it was wrong, you told me I hadn’t been “explicit” enough.
That is where you and I got off on the wrong foot, Mustang. Can you relate to that?
If you’re now willing to say that yes, you misrepresented my words to make a point and you realize it was unfair to do so, then I accept your apology.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Can you let this go?
I mean is it even possible?
It really seems like you just don’t want to let this go because, to me, if you did it would no longer be an issue. It almost seems like you would rather pick or continue an argument with me. Not sure why, but as I said I just don’t care about it. It doesn’t matter to me.
People misunderstood your position and I clarified it, yet you blame me for their misunderstandings. I can get that as some of the people misunderstood your position based on what I wrote. As if that is a surprise considering this forum, but in looking at it I can see how you can get upset by that. I get that. You did clarify your point and I made it clear you had, but people still misunderstood. Probably cause it was easy to do given your post as some of the misunderstandings were from those who read it and clearly my post didn’t help.
Here is the thing. I am wondering if it is even possible for you to accept any kind of apology. I apologized unequivocally, bluntly, and forthrightly, but that isn’t good enough for you. I said that I was sorry that it came across as an attack on you. How is this not good enough? Because if you can’t accept an apology then there is no point to any of this and it is a colossal waste of time and energy.
So now I must say I did something wrong? That I wronged you. You clearly feel I did so and need to hear some admission of guilt? That isn’t needing to hear an apology. My apology should have been enough. You demanded an apology and I gave you that. Now it is something else. What is next?
This is it. All I got. An apology and yes it included everything, which includes your issue that I misrepresented your words. You clearly feel I did and that was not my intent. I didn’t try to do that or go out of my way to do it. Yet it seems I did somehow. Again, Sorry. Your choice is to accept that or not. If you can’t accept my apology then there is nothing you will accept. It seems you have decided to not accept it already so there is no point in this. That really is too bad because I don’t go out of my to start stuff with people or upset people. Hell, I even feel bad when that happens.
I am done. The rest you need to find within yourself.
I really don't see
How people can accuse StR of group-think when there are discussions like this.
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 25, 2010 7:26 AM PST up reply actions
(That's because they don't read StR.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Cool.
I don’t enjoy this type of hassle either, Mustang, believe me. It’s zero fun and I do get that you’re not a malicious guy.
Obviously I was bugged to see my words pulled into your argument out of context, but the following two sentences from somewhere in the middle of what you wrote above:
“… I didn’t try to (misrepresent your words) or go out of my way to do it. Yet it seems I did somehow. Again, Sorry.”
suffices as a fair apology. That’s really all I was looking for and I appreciate that.
I mentioned elsewhere on this post that I’ll be at a couple of games at Arco in the next few weeks, and if you’re gonna be at one of them too, let’s touch base and I’ll be happy to buy us a round at the Corona Cantina. Sound OK?
And with that, I’m also done, so no hard feelings, and Go KIngs!
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Have a beer?
Honestly, I am still just a bit bugged by you taking so much enjoyment out of a dude insulting me and dog piling like you did. That came across as pretty spiteful.
Given your initial post to me on this thread, the above, and just how much you seemed to enjoy me getting called arrogant, etc., this whole thing has come off as more about you needing a pound of flesh than anything else.
This is only reinforced by my apology not being good enough. The fact that you were so unwilling to accept my apology. It was a genuine apology that got kicked in the teeth.
The whole need to meet what you term a ‘fair apology’ made it come off as requiring a suitably prostration of myself in order to adequately beg for your forgiveness. Which only further reinforced my impression that this was all about spiteful payback.
Maybe that is how it started with your comment, how you felt, and you got past that. Good cause I don’t like to have issues with people, I am more than a bit bugged by it all.
I am just being honest about how I feel
The thing is that I felt I needed to be upfront about it. Because if I didn’t I would not be able to let it go. Mucho Moss was probably in the same space.
For me, if I don’t let somebody know that they offended me then it keeps bugging me. Sometimes just getting it out in the open is best and then I can let it go.
I may be a nice guy, but that doesn’t mean I need to be a doormat. I can forgive, but that doesn’t mean I need to forget and act like it didn’t happen.
it was a joke
you didn’t have to explain it to me
by wallywagon11 on Jan 26, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
But you made me think about what I posted. Thanks for that. My post didn’t just have you in mind.
oh, I see...
well, I gotta say, you pretty much take the cake, Mustang.
Let’s look at the sitch:
You (not me) take something out of context that I wrote in a comment and use it as material for an entire post, twisting my words to mean something different from what I intended. And in doing so you (not me) simultaneously ignore not one but two messages I sent to you trying to clarify your misunderstanding.
When I protest this free-styley liberty-taking with my words you at first simply deny it, saying (quote) :
“… I didn’t misrepresent you and quoted you appropriately …”
Then you blame me for not being “explicit”. When I find this less than fair you inform me that it’s “history” and I need to get over to get over it.
And now I’m the jerk and you’re offended?!
Damn, man, would you mind if I point out something? The tiny little half-hidden mea culpa that you finally wrote above, the two sentences written after a week of jiving around which you jammed into the middle of yet another long screed telling me I need to let it go, i.e.:
“…I didn’t try to (misrepresent your words) or go out of my way to do it. Yet it seems I did somehow I did"
That was the first time, Mustang, the very first time in this entire idiotic SNAFU that you finally, hesitantly, acknowledged that you’d done anything wrong! And guess what? You did.
Do you see the difference in the two block-quotes above?
Jesus H Christ on a Trisquit, Mustang, couldn’t you just recognize from the very beginning that it’s bad blogging mojo to do that to somebody and just own up to it?
Then, a single one sentence apology, something like: “Oops, sorry MM, that was wrong, my bad, it won’t happen again” would have fixed it. Done. Forgotten.
Instead we get a small novel from you, a litany of denials, justifications, attempts at blame-shifting and you basically telling me all the while “sorry if I hurt your feelings but I’m a nice guy and this is your problem.”
Like the guy said in the movie, “… what we have here is a failure to communicate”.
Well, luckily we’ve finally reached bedrock on this topic, Mustang. Yes it seems “somehow” (we won’t go into that part of the equation) you did indeed misrepresent my words, as you finally acknowledge.
I’ve tried again and again being conciliatory, but if you now want to be the offended party, don’t let me stop you.
Apology accepted and we’ll skip the beer.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Probably! LOL
And after this ridiculous breakdown in communications I can see that we’re lucky there’s no thermo-nuclear weapons in the blogging world or the internet would have been totally obliterated years ago!
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Damn.
I was totally interested in seeing that transpire.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Oh, c'mon, pookey
what would we do with all of our spare time if Sactown Royalty (along with the rest of the good ol’ World Wide Web) was rendered uninhabitable and radioactive for a 10,000 year half-life!?
I mean, how else could I enter into meaningful enlightening conversations with other Kings fans like Mustang and Smills?
That would be mega :>(
This little tete a tete with Mustang has been an amazing experience for me. A minor fender bender while traveling along the information superhighway transformed into a journey down the rabbit hole. Hell, after I read Mustang’s post I half believed myself that I’d called for K-Mart to be traded, and I was all ready to denounce myself as an idiot!
Also, can you imagine how batshit crazy the rest of an internet-deprived world would become if they didn’t get their weekly fix of “cute kitty” youtube videos!?
Plus, we wouldn’t be able to read insightful thought-provoking comments between total strangers like “LMFAO! dude yr sig is totaly gay” etc.
hmm… now that I think about it, maybe you’ve got a point!
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Let me introduce you to a little man named,
Shh.
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
by nothingbutnet on Jan 24, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The irony of your post is thick
given the absurd, and frankly pathetic statement made by your signature.
Are you such a sad, bored and childish person that you need to search sports blogs for something to fight about on a Sunday afternoon?
I realize, I am obviously a terrible person for watching football and chatting with friends about my favorite basketball team to pass away a Sunday, but at least I am with people I like, not searching the Internet for people to argue with.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
touche
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
by nothingbutnet on Jan 24, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
I guess he is the .1% that's smart, has common sense and isn't arrogant???
He, as the .1%, is clearly the superior person after all and of course not be arrogant.
I've been an (ir)regular contributer to this site
for over 4 years. Not quite the definition of a troll.
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
Make that 3 years
Fact-checking – what a waste of time
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
I never said you were a troll
I was only contrasting your post that essentially decries stereotypes and intellectual arrogance with your signature, which has to be one of the most pathetic attempts at intellectual arrogance I have ever had the misfortune to read.
The irony of watching you eloquently defend something worth defending while your signature indicates in actuality you support the worst kind of offender was too rich to pass up commenting on.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
In addition
this forum is dedicated to sports, so your signature can be seen as deliberately inflammatory when used here. It would be like going to a left wing forum and having a signature that say “Obama is terrible” or something silly like that.
The signature itself says “I’m here to either demean the rest of you or because I want to argue.” If your posts were lighthearted, your signature could be taken as playfully ironic, but given the content of your post, to me you look like someone that wanted to argue about something today.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Wow...you too?
Something in the water here today? Is everyone overreacting to innocuous comments?
He has a different point of view as Mustang, but I’d say his statement was no more inflammatory.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
The sad part is
I agree completely with thelettere’s initial take. But to say “you shouldn’t call people stupid” while your signature does exactly the same thing, and is even aimed directly at the target audience of the blog seems a little comical.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
I'd say
Using someone’s signature as a basis of argument is kind of dopey. Hell, half the time mine’s been something completely sarcastic and idiotic.
Well, actually that’s the case for my posts as well, so maybe you have a point.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
I personally don't care about letteres sig
But his argument was stupid.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Ummm
What argument? That we should be talking about the game and not each other?
Last time I checked this wasn’t a gossip site.
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
Oh yes.
No gossip about anything (cough trades cough) would ever likely rate.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Do you really think I hate sports?
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
Well
you appear to either hate sports or common sense.
I don’t know you well enough to know which of those might be true.
I’m not trying to crucify you, I just don’t understand how an obviously intelligent person like yourself can reconcile your post with your signature.
Maybe I’m the idiot here; its entirely possible.
:-)
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
I tend not to change my sig
based on my mood. Sometimes (believe it or not) I am lighthearted.
It’s simply that that particular post was a perfect representation of the “people who don’t agree with me are idiots” genre of comments – which seems to be proliferating on here lately. And I responded accordingly.
But I can understand how you could see things as you did. I find contradiction perversely fascinating.
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
Me too.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I think your professor may have been referring to psychopaths - those without any empathy
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Look up "Axis II Personality Disorder"
There’s a lot of it going around… a bit more than more than 10% I’d say.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Numbers are numbers and are absolute
The simple fact of the matter is, 50% of the people in the world are below average. That may refer to household income, height, intelligence, or any other quantifiable statistic you can name.
Assuming the average IQ is 100 (although I think it’s been rated at closer to 103), half the world is wandering around with IQs below that. There are billions of people managing very well with IQs between 80 and 100, it’s simply an issue of focusing on the things that you are above-average at.
Maybe long-term thinking and reality aren’t where your intellect shines, and that’s okay.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
technically it could be more or less than 50% are below average
in distriubtion theory wouldn’t you have to take into account the median and the mean? (note, sorry if i get all the terms screwed up)
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
and yet
it’s amazing that if we took a poll and asked everyone in Sactown Royalty which of those three categories they fell into, I bet it would turn out that at least 97% of this group would be smart people with common sense.
I guess we’re the exception that proves the rule!
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Darn!
Here I have been thinking that I am clever, but when you put it that way, perhaps I am one of the idiots. Sort of like, the more you know, the more you realize how much you don’t know.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
That's a relief
At least there is hope for me.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Idiots don't really contribute much
But nobody round these parts expects otherwise.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Wait you don't think the Kings are a playoff team? WHAAAAT!?!
Haven’t you taken Sports Fandem 101? Clearly you forgot the most basic rules of being a “true” fan of a “championship team.” In order for your team to win you MUST ALWAYS DEMAND excellence (trust me, it’s been working wonderfully for us Raider fans out there!). In order to achieve said excellence, one must always prop up their own team and EXPECT at least the playoffs every year until you get to the point where that is not good enough and then you begin to EXPECT championships. Only then will your team be able to make rediculously one sided moves and draft hall of fame players. Until that point, your team will suck and you will always be a LOSER!
The best thing about this whole process is when it leads to multiple championships and for the rest of your entire life, whenever you go to a basketball team and your team is losing and you are being heckled you will always be able to say “Oh ya, how many championships does your team have? Your all just jealous of what we got! I know what it takes to be a winner!”
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Momma used to say'
“Faith consists in believing when it is beyond the power of reason to believe”.
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love was on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
by bizarroguru on Jan 24, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Was that right before she said,
“Get in this house and stop lighting your brother on fire!”
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
by SavageBeast on Jan 24, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
The Truth
I think we should officially take Paul Pierce’s nickname away from him and give it to section214.
I prefer to think of 214 as Stormin' Gorman. But that's me.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I think there is more going on with Speed than adjusting to the team
Something is actually wrong with his shot. I know he’s not taking many. But he is shooting even free throws terribly. At first I thought it was rust. Then maybe legs. But neither of those should make a career 80%+ free throw shooter suddenly drop to 50%. My guess is that it’s the wrist. The wrist is a huge part of shooting whether it’s the shooting hand or the guiding hand. I have no doubt that he will fix it. But right now we are giving lots of minutes to a shooter who is having a huge struggle with his shots. That alone affects the way we play.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
Guide hand is only there to keep the ball from falling off
He should be able to shoot over 80% one handed with his ability
I agree with your conclusion, but I would add
confidence (or lack of) as the fourth major factor for their recent decline in play.
Which may be the result of the three factors you did mention.
Ba-da
Why hasn't anyone mentioned the most obvious answer here?
TRADE HILTON ARMSTRONG! HE’S RUINING OUR TEAM!
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 24, 2010 12:19 PM PST reply actions
Cool roller coaster,
Which Theme Park is this?
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
Cosmoworld
in Japan
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
by SavageBeast on Jan 24, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Right next to the Yokohama ferris wheel :)
Been there before
Dear Kevin Martin
just play your game, the one you’ve been playing for the last few years.
Your game + Tyreke’s game = unstoppable.
Tyreke’s game + your game now = meh.
Thanks.
Top 5 Kings
In the last five games here are the Kings that have played the best per minute:
1. Sergio Rodriguez = 50.8
2. Tyreke Evans = 34.8
3. Spencer Hawes = 31.0
4. Omri Casspi = 27.4
5. Andres Nocioni = 26.5
6. Jason Thompson = 26.1
7. Kevin Martin = 26.0
I would start the top 5 players (YES, including Sergio) and bring Noc and Kev off the bench as 6th and 7th men. Spencer hasn’t been playing defense but who the hell has?? Time to play the best and let the others get there games going against the opponents bench players.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
by dalt99 on Jan 24, 2010 12:36 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
The lineup
I pretty much agree with you, dalt.
Even though Sergio’s play was in garbage time in these last two games, he was a real stand out both nights. He made the other players better with his assists. Tyreke, is a no brainer – a keeper. As to Spencer, keep in mind that Spence played 8 minutes of garbage time, which padded his stats. Agree that Casspi has done well with the mix. I also agree with bringing Kevin in off the bench. In hindsight, this is probably what PW should have done in the first place. The only one I would question is Spencer. I would chose Brockman over him to start, because there is more emphasis with D with Brockman. With your line up, there are a lot of offensive shooters on the floor. I count Spencer in that category, since he has been spending more time shooting lately.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
You must be out your mind.
Sergio? He’s only played in garbagetime.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I'm Serious
1. Kings have lost 7 games in a row (and 12 of the last 13) with Sergio only playing garbage minutes.
2. Hilton Armstrong AND Ime Udoka have played the EXACT SAME garbage time that Sergio has and Armstrong’s number is a 16.8. Udoka’s number is a 20.2. Again, Sergio’s is a 50.8.
If people can’t see that Sergio is a better point guard then Beno, then that’s the way it goes. Beno is smarter and a better shooting guard, but Sergio has more tools as a point guard and is 4 years younger.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
Whether or not you can get everyone to agree with it, it's not happening
If we were to just assume you are right that Sergio is better than Beno, it wouldn’t matter. The fact is that in the NBA (and every other profession with large contracts and ridiculous competition) politics matter. Beno has 3 years after this at a pretty high salary. They feel they need him to play and the trade deadline is coming up soon. If the Kings really want to give Sergio more minutes then they really need to get Beno shipped off. Seems to me Udoka is only out there to guard other wing players, players sergio can’t guard (and if he was out there his numbers would look bad).
There is also of course the human element. When Kevin got injured PW really depended on Beno and he responded pretty darn well. I think PW would think of it as kind of be a jackass move to just push him aside so quickly after Beno just made PW’s life a lot easier than expected for about two months there. I don’t know, maybe it’s a lot harder to keep a locker room happy than it looks like from here.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
This post came off way too smug and smart ass like. I was just pondificating with the idea you presented, largely because I too am a Sergio fan.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
I understood what you were saying and I sadly agree with you. They won’t start Sergio. They either feel that Beno is their long-term backup or they want to showcase him to trade him. Either way, it is what it is. I am just puting suggestions on the table. I just Sergio would get some meaningful minutes like he did when the Kings started the season 14-15.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
They aren't showcasing Beno.
I think the coaching staff (rightfully so) feels that Beno is the better player. Surprisingly, this has been the case all year long.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
All of this is moot
Beno isn’t a PG, NaPG. Sergio is a PG and because of that, yes, Sergio is a better PG because he is the only player of the two that qualifies.
Agree Sergio is better point guard by far
But I think the team is better more often with Beno on the floor than is is when Sergio is on the floor. But Sergio does have a lot ofr moments that make you say Damn he’s good!
And for every two of those moments Sergio gives you
there’s at least one, “that had to be the worst decision or execution I’ve ever seen” or “I’ve not sure how there were 7 opposing players between Sergio and where he was passing, but it seemed like there was” moment.
He needs to make the correct decision, not the flashy decision, more often.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Hence the team is better with Beno
And I guess “better PG” actually means “skills that bbetter match those of the prototypical PG” ….because while Sergio has the latter , beno(since the team is better with him than Sergio) must have the former.
Paul Westphal and the coaching staff will figure it out
If they start to win with Sergio, they will find playing time for him.
I think PW is still figuring out what they have and how to use it. Today’s JT is different than last months JT. Noce has changed. Now add the current verson of Kevin Martin.
Juggle, Juggle, Juggle.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 24, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
Both Ways
Part of the reason Sergio has played well in garbagetime is because it IS garbage time, yes. But if you acknowledge that truth like I do, then you also have to admit that many of the times he does make a bad play it’s because it IS garbagetime and he is freewheeling. Sometimes you need a player that “goes for it”. Too many times the Kings hesitate and then end up going one-on-one, putting up a bad shot or turning it over because they don’t have a point guard that can create for them. The Kings need a point guard that can create offense for the other players. Beno is more of a shooting point guard just like Tyreke. They just do it in different ways.
Sergio does turn the ball over too much but have you noticed that Steve Nash has averaged 6.5 turnovers per 40 minutes in the last 5 games? For the season he is averaging 4.8 turnovers per 40!!!! Sometimes you have to realize that a point guard like Sergio MUST BE ALLOWED TO PLAY HIS GAME. You wouldn’t want Nash to play behind Beno would you just because Udrih doesn’t make as many “risky plays”.
Sorry but Sergio is a better PURE point guard than Beno and should be getting just as many minutes as him. No doubt about it. I will say it as many times as it takes: Besides Tyreke, the Kings have NOBODY that can consistently create their own shot. In this situation, you need a PG on the floor that can CREATE shots for the other players. Without that, you get what we are seeing. Too many forced shots and turnovers.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
I stopped reading at “PURE point guard”. There is no such thing.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Sergio versus Beno
I would like to throw another point-of-view into this discussion. I like both Beno and Sergio as point guards. If anything, I would say overall Beno is the better point guard overall and is generally more consistent in his play. That said, I view Sergio as a “specialty” sort of point guard. I’ll use the metaphor of hammers. There are a multitude of hammers – big ones, small ones, heavy ones, etc., you get the picture. If Beno were a hammer, he would be a good all-round hammer useful for a variety of tasks. Sergio on the other hand has an up-tempo specialty to get a team going. He is also very good with his assists and noticeably makes his other team mates better. I wouldn’t want to trade off Beno to keep Sergio. But there are times, when Sergio is more effective than Beno, IMHO.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
If we're using analogys here...
It’s kinda like Jason Williams vs Mike Bibby
Williams being Sergio
Bibby being Udrih
True Point
Sergio is the only true point guard on the Kings. Tyreke is great but not a true point. Udrih is a serviceable point that is more of a shooting guard. Sergio needs to run the team with Tyreke isolating. Time to turn the temp of the game UP and create fast breaks. Get the team running and on the move. Can’t do that with Beno. Sergio is perfect for that.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
Arguable about Tyreke
While I agree on a lot of this I don’t necessarily agree about Tyreke. I don’t think that the size of a player should determine what they are or are not. I agree that Sergio is a PG, but not because he is the shortest guy on the floor. It is because he has the skill set. I don’t think that we can say that Tyreke doesn’t have the skill set to be a PG. Beno clearly doesn’t have it. He might be able to make do in a pinch, but he lacks to many of the basic skill set.
Tyreke clearly has good court vision, passes well, and can run a breakout. The fact that he can breakdown the defense of the other team and slash to the basket doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the PG skill set.
True Point Guard
When I use that term, I am talking 1) Pass first point guard and 2) Not a one-on-one player. Tyreke is NOT number one and he is definetely number 2. Tyreke CAN be a great point guard and can run a team but he is NOT a true point guard. When you watch Sergio play, he plays a lot like Steve Nash. He can keep the dribble going and penetrate and dish. He is not as good as Nash in his quickness or passing with both hands but he is similar with the way he sets up his teammates. Udrih and Reke are in no ways similar to Nash. The Kings need a guy that can set up his teammates because the Kings (besides Tyreke and Martin when he is on his game) do NOT have 1-on-1 players.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
Clarification
I meant to say that Reke IS a one-on-one player.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
The last time that won a ring with a pure PG was the Celtics with Cousy.
I’m just saying.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
would rondo be considered a pure point guard?
while were at it, what the heck is the definition of a pure point guard? If I had to take a stab at it, I would think it would be someone who gets more assists than shot attempts (and even that seems a bit flimsy).
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
Probably
But Rondo isn’t the kind of player that I would ever want the Kings to acquire. If you can’t shoot, I don’t care what else you do. Either everybody has to be an incredible shooter/offensive player around you, or you’re screwed with Rondo. That’s something a lot of people overlook with regards to Rondo.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
At the risk of sounding like an absolute moron ...
I am not sure i would want a “cousy” type pure point guard either. I hate having to talk about players I have never seen play but I did read Bill Simmons book (i know not the most reliable source for Celtics information but damn it i was not around back then) and i seem to recall the descripion of Cousy covering the fact he couldn’t shoot 3s (or play defense for that matter, i think). So yeah i guess i wouldn’t even want someone comparable to him either.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
You seem in poor risk of sounding like a moron.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
The difficulty of defining it
is likely you’ll have a tough time limiting it to the short guy that dribbles the ball up the court.
For me, a point guard is a guy more inclined to make a play for someone else than themselves. Under my definition, Magic counts, but likely Vlade Divac does too.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
i know everyone says nash is a true point guard or a pass first point guard
But that seems kinda ridiculous to me. the guy shoots a lot and he frickin should too. I just don’t get the obsession with the notion of a pass first point guard. I mean, I love and respect Eric Maynor as much as the next guy, but it’s kind of an unreasonable obsession to think a team needs one.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
Nash makes great decisions in how he runs the team.
That’s really I think so many call him a “pure” PG. Still, it’s how Nash does it that’s important more than it is the fact that he’s a PG.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
i don't fully understand the whole true point guard obession
Maybe i am crazy but with tyreke on the team, in the long run I would probably prefer a point guard who can guard other point guars and hit open 3s. I really would not be concerned with his passing abilities because tyreke would be handling the ball a lot regardless.
For all the people harping on Tyreke not being a point guard, I would think they would be more concerned about his D on other point guards then whether or not he likes to shoot it more because nomatter what he is going to get the ball in his hands alot and he is going to shoot a lot when he is in the game, nomatter what position he is playing or how many assists he is able to rack up on any given night.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
I want a bigger player to pair with Reke
If only because it forces the other team to match up with Reke rather than the other way around. It’s one reason I love Omri & Kevin to play around Reke because of their ability to hit the 3 at a 40% + rate.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I agree,
I think our PG, SG and SF positions are in great shape. They have a long way to go still but the talent level should be amongst the top teams in the next 2-3 years.
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
by nothingbutnet on Jan 24, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
Well said.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Shooting
The only problem with Tyreke right now is that he can’t shoot. Teams are just packing the paint when he has the ball so he either has to shoot a jumper or force the drive through traffic. If you have a point guard that can dribble drive and penetrate and still be able to find players, then that opens up the middle for players like Tyreke and Martin. Until Evans becomes a consistant outside shooter, the Kings need a PG like Sergio to drive and kick. Defenses must play up on Sergio because he can hit the three but can also drive and kick. Beno can hit the three but is NOT a drive and kick guy or particularly great with the dribble.
One of the reasons the Kings are not scoring well is because teams have figured out that all they have to do is pack the paint and deny Tyreke his drive. Then, the other players have to create and since they are not suited for it, the offense has stalled.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
by dalt99 on Jan 24, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's as good an answer as any right now.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
wait
but Sergio can’t shoot either, so how is that any better?
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Well
Sergio is 38% from 3-pt range this season and 50% this month.
Beno is 39% from 3-pt range and 27.3% this month.
If near 40% constitutes “can’t shoot” then I don’t know what you think is a player that CAN shoot
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
Sergio
is .313 for his career, with a .401 career FG%. One hot streak (in under 40 attempts) does not a career negate.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Improving
2007- 28.2% 3-pt shooting
2008 – 29.3%
2009 – 32.5%
2010 – 37.8%
He is improving every year and is only 23 years old.
Your missing the point though. He dribbles and creates shots better than any other guard on the Kings. Unlike with Tyreke, the defense can NOT just give him wide open shots.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
Where is my missing the point? And what is a “missing the point” anyways?
Beno is a better shooter than Sergio, he just doesn’t have the same passing skills. It’s Sergio’s passing skills that let him create, not teams being scared of leaving him open.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Different Reasons
Opponents play up on Beno because he can shoot. Beno does not create for other players very well. He is one-dimentional. Beno IS a good shooter usually but not way better than Sergio.
Opponents play Sergio to drive AND shoot. This creates more havoc for the defense and so if they play off Sergio he can shoot. If they don’t he drives and finds an open shooter or scores himself.
My point of the post was that they need Sergio to run the team because with Tyreke running the offense, the defense packs in the paint and forces Reke to SHOOT THE BALL or pass. You said that Sergio can’t shoot, which makes the argument that they will just pack the paint with him running the offense too. I dispute this because if they lay off Sergio 4 feet like they do with Evans, Sergio CAN shoot it in just like Beno can. Teams aren’t giving Beno wide open shots right? Sergio opens the paint for players like Tyreke, Martin and the bigs.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
Beno IS a “way better shooter” than Sergio. Beno’s career fg% is .450, and he’s been above that each of the last 3 years.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Not the point
Sergio is a better passer, dribbler and creater.
THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT. The Kings DON’T NEED ANOTHER DAMN SHOOTER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
Hmmmm
not too many shots made lately. I don’t think it has much to do with the backup PGs though.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2010 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
thisun
Sergio’s ability to create is all for naught if the team shoots like it has been for the last 6 games.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Can't put another non shooter on the
court with Tyreke. Simple as that. When Reke goes out Sergio is good to go.
Agree
I do think Sergio should be an inserted earlier in games when the offense has no flow. He will either make things better or make things worse. If things get better, great. If things get worse…well the offense wasn’t flowing anyway and we were probably going to lose. (see Chicago comeback for best case scenario).
I get the sense that PW was treating this recent road trip as extended practice
to give you maybe a little perspective, if 2 of Sergio’s 3 pointers had rimmed out, he’d be at .320. If 3 had, he’d be under .300. He’s shot almost 300 3 pointers in his career, and makes them at a .313 clip. I trust that number WAY more than I trust his rate this season.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
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Vice Versa
If two of those shots would have bounced in, his percentage would be 43.2%. If three had, it would be 46%.
But they didn’t. The fact remains. He is improving.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
you're missing the point.
38 shots is WAY too small of a sample to override his career #s.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
But he is correct
That Sergio’s shooting percentage is trending upwards. I think it’s smarter to look at career numbers when the “career” has been longer. With a young player, there is still a better chance of improvement over time. Sergio was a poor shooter of threes two years ago, much improved last season, and seems to be better so far this year. It’s a small sample this season, but the overall trend is positive.
If Sergio was a 30 year old player with a poor shooting history and we were excited about 38 shots, I might be more inclined to agree with you.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
BTW
Do you think Kevin Martin can’t shoot? His season 3-pt % is 38.7%
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
SSS
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
probably Sergio, slightly. However, Tyreke is way better at driving than Sergio is.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Yup
He sure is. The ONLY player on the whole team that can create his only shot. Pretty damn easy to defend when all you have is ONE guy that can create. All the other Kings can do only one thing on offense.
Shoot.
They need another creator on the floor. Sergio should be the point until Evans can shoot. Beno is not the answer. Not because he is not a good shooter but because he can’t create for other players.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
I’d say KMart has a pretty good track record of being able to create his own shot.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Beno too, actually.
not nearly as good as Kevin or Tyreke, obviously, but respectable enough.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
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Sure is
But again, he is not on his game right now and until he is, you need a point guard that can create for your SHOOTERS.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
Not really.
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--Daisy Owl
Your right
That’s why the Kings have 1 win out of the last 13
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
The schedule has nothing to do with this though.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Nope
If the Kings had Steve Nash, they would have one more than one game. Easily
Sergio is not Nash, but he brings the type of play that Nash does. Not on that level, but same style. He sets up players. Nobody on the Kings sets up players besides Tyreke on occasion. Martin has a couple times in the last few games.
Next game, do me a favor. Whenever the Kings score a basket, keep track on if it was from a 1-on-1 play or from a draw and kick. I bet you most of the baskets will be from the draw and kick or from a pass.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
Your point is that the Kings have young players who are playing like it.
And, your point, is, exactly, what?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Or maybe you just need your best players to play better.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Score some easy baskets
from your frontline . . . .
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
How?
By playing more one on one? Yes, the players need to make their open shots. I get that.
Scoring in the flow of the offense isn’t just a popular saying, it’s reality. When players force plays and take bad shots, then you get team shooting percentages as poor as the Kings have had.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
So the answer is taking your better players off the court because Sergio Rodriguez is a good passing PG?
That doesn’t make sense either.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
C'mon Pookey
You know I respect you but you know that’s not what I’m saying. ALL the players are playing bad because the defense is forcing the player with the ball to go one-on-one or by packing the paint when Tyreke has the ball.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
It's not that simple.
The problem is that the best players are not playing well and need to play better. That seems simplistic and too easy, but that’s the reality.
Sergio Rodriguez is not the answer IMO. I understand what you’re saying dalt, but I simply don’t agree.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
That's cool
I probably will never get to see if I’m right. Sergio needs to be out there for extended minues with the core group (Martin, Evans, Hawes, Casspi) to see if it would work.
There isn’t any ONE thing that will turn the Kings into a winning machine. Sergio playing 40 minutes will not do that. I realize that. I just know that what they are doing is not working and I am stating why that is. The defense is forcing the team to go 1-on-1 and taking Tyreke out of the equation. Kings don’t have 1-on-1 players consistant enough for this.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
I know all this.
But the remedies is also there. Most of them are simply Martin making shots, Omri making MORE of his shots, and Evans running the offense at a faster pace. That will eliminate some of the problems we’ve seen on the recent roadtrip.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
All that includes JT & Shawes as well.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Wouldn't it make more sense
To give a few minutes to a 23 year old point guard who’s been productive in his time on the court, than a 27 year old who’s a bit more of a known quantity?
Not to say Beno hasn’t had a good season, but I don’t think it’s crazy for anyone to want to see Sergio play on a more regular basis.
I thought we were trying to figure out what kind of young talent we have while we’re building for the future?
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
i actually think for me this is the crux of it
I would love to see what Sergio could with at least 20 consistent minutes in about a 10 game stretch (personally i always felt that if a player can’t show you anything in 20 minutes, i don’t care if he is young and talented i don’t think is will ever show much). And yeah while the team is in suck land it might be nice to see exactly what we got here.
At the same time, that would kind of screw Beno over. It seems like PW tried to give beno a second shot and Beno responded with some really solid play when PW needed him. In just trying to picture the working environment of an NBA player, it seems like it would kind of a dick move to push him aside for the younger guy at this point. At the same time, PW has mixed up the rotation a lot this year so maybe I am wrong. Perhaps has seen a few too many passes get fired off into the stands, but I think this has more to do with lockeroom stuff than anything else.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
Well, if the D is packing the paint when Tyreke has the ball, he needs to find the open man. This is not different at all then it would be when Sergio is out there, except Tyreke is way better at the sport of basketball than Sergio is.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
What?
There is no open man. The other players are guarding their man. If he passes, by the time the pass is complete, the defender is right in that player’s face.
Sergio would be played up on, just like Beno is, so he can drive and set up other players. Lately the defense has been guarding Sergio to pass so he has been shooting more and scoring more. He is averaging 21.5 points per 40 minutes this month. Beno is averaging 14.2.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
if the other players are guarding their man, who, exactly, is crowding the paint?
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Three's a Crowd
You don’t need all FIVE players in the actual paint to be “crowding the paint.” If you have the center and the power forward guarding the paint with the man on Tyreke sloughed off near the top of the key, you have effectively “crowded the paint”
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
So why have the C and PF down there? If one of them is up around the top of the key, and the other is around the baseline, then when Tyreke drives, one of them should be open.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
BINGO! Very good!
You got it. That’s what ForThree has brought up below. You can do that, the problem is that Westphal doesn’t seem to be running that offense. Problem is when you have Brockman as your PF or C you can’t do this because his man will still stay in the paint since Jon can’t shoot. JT has not been shooting well either
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
ok, now we're getting somewhere
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Great!
So we have this lineup:
PG-Sergio
SG-Evans
SF-Martin
PF-Thompson
C-Hawes
I like it. Use Hawes at the top of the key to set screens and run the pick and roll. I like it.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
sorry if this is a retarded question that you have already answered
but what would be wrong with beno in there with this lineup instead of sergio?
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
or Casspi instead of Beno
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
one thing beno seems to also be better at is making buckets cutting to the hoop
I hardly ever see sergio make a layup that isn’t a fast break. Plus when Hawes has the ball up top Beno is really good at cutty to the hoop for a layup
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
Beno Scores
That’s it. Defenses play him to score. Sergio can pass OR score depending on the defense. Defenses can’t play as tight on Sergio like they do on Beno because Sergio can and WILL pass to an open man much more frequently. Also, Beno is not as good a dribbler and tends to turn the ball over if he gets stopped on the penetration.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
I thought he was your distributor?
Too many shots
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2010 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
Nash
Same reason Nash scores 20+ points per 40 minutes. They play him to pass and he scores. If they play him to score, he passes.
Same with Sergio. Lately the teams are playing him to pass when he drives, that’s why he is FORCED to score. It’s has nothing to do with not distributing or too many shots.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
even comparing Sergio and Nash is ridiculous.
Nash is such a better shooter than Sergio that it’s just silly.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
BUT THE REASON STEVE NASH IS SO EFFECTIVE IS BECAUSE HE"S A REALLY GOOD SHOOTER IN HIS OWN RIGHT WHICH SERGIO RODRIGUEZ IS NOT.
Oh my god. How is that so hard to understand? And I"M the one not getting the point?
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
as much as i love me some sergio
this is geting a little over the top
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
StR over the top?
Never.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
can u guys bring this conversation back to the left of the screen a bit?
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
absolutely not
:p
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--Daisy Owl
I concur.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
dam you all and your tiny squares of printed words!
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
Allow me to interject for a second....
I figured I’d throw in my two cents in here, because nothing clutters an argument like another loony who doesn’t know what he’s talking about (and I promise you I don’t know what I’m talking about, you know what I’m talking about?). Anyway, so you had a whole paragraph or two or three or five on how great a passer Sergio is, well then pookey will probably outword you by like ten or fifteen paragraphs on how bad a shooter Sergio is (no matter how sexy he may or may not look while setting his feet for an open three, speaking of being sexy while setting their feet, whatever happened to JT supposedly having three point shooting potential? When he was drafted he was touted as a four-three not a four-five). So back to the discussion at hand (well, my hands are busy typing, which I guess is internet for discussing, so yeah, that metaphor still works, it might actually work better). Sergio Rodriguez is the Steve Nash to Donte Greene’s Shawn Mario, with Spencer being Boris Diaw (see! Spence is a four! A four I tell you!) and JT being Amare right after surgery (see! not really a five). Those comparisons are too lofty? Well I just compared Sergio to a two-time MVP, so if I called Greene Michael Jordan you’re going to have to give me a pass, okey-dokey? That’s what metaphors are for.
So, we gots ourselves 4/5th of the run-and-gun Suns. Who else do we need? A Barbosa you say? You mean an athletic point guard who’s smooth with the ball but most people say is a 2-guard. Yeah, we got one in Tyreke Evans. Raja Bell is reincarnated in Francisco Garcia, and Kevin Martin is Joe Johnson (they would have had a championship if he stayed!). We still don’t have a Pat Burke, but you know, you can’t win them all sometimes. Plus we’d have a bench with Omri and Brockman, something SSOL never had (by the way, what does Mrs. Dantoni think of the SSOL offense? I got into the sports blogosphere post-SSOL’s heyday, so I think I missed all the TWSS jokes on the subject, which is unfortunate because I’m sure it was a goldmine).
Funny though how Westphal used to coach the Suns and now he’s coaching a team that mimics a Suns team. In fact, maybe Petrie isn’t the real genius, maybe he’s just got a Trojan in Colangelo’s blackberry stealing all his inside tips. They both have great hair, though Colangelo is a bit of a fashionista with his shirts. Whatever though, if you got it flaunt it.
Anyway, as you can see from the above clearly worded and to-the-point argumentation, Sergio Rodriguez is the best thing since white chocolate, which may or may not upset the true cocoa nut lovers out there, but irregardless (yeah, I said irregardless, and you know what? I irregard your thoughts on the matter) you really have to jump on the vanilla bean wagon because I love me some ice cream. I scream you scream for a natural point guard, but goddamn it all I want for Christmas is an athletic footer who can run the floor, rebound and block shots whose name may or may not continue the lineage of other great centers past. Kareem, Hakeem, THABEEEET! Those points being said, I think I’m going to close with a simple statement that everyone can agree with: Food is tasty.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
by iashwash on Jan 24, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Reading was the equivalent to snorting a bag of crazy pills.
And I kind of enjoyed it.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
Well done IW.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
masterful iashwash
clearly rec’d for helping to promote the insanity
by betweentheeyes on Jan 25, 2010 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
Let me change the discussion a little dalt
With Evans and Martin to create shots, what if Hawes is the 3rd guy, Point-Center and facilitator?
I think that has a chance of working.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Yeah but this team is better off working in a faster flow.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I firmly believe Hawes
has the 2nd best court vision and passing on the team, from the high post at least.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
I agree with this.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Good Idea
I like it. If the Kings won’t play Sergio, then I think that would be the second best option. Spencer can shoot or pass. I have no problem with it except that the defense can still pack the paint
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
you run Spencer out to the high post
plant Donte in the corner, and run screen action with JT, Tyreke and Kevin to get them shots.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
make more 2 ft layups
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
They are both bad enough
to not be a relevant question. Maybe either will grow into being a respectable shooter.
Meanwhile, playing Sergio means less time for Martin or one of our SFs (presumably Evans keeps his minutes), so I’m not sure what your trying to accomplish.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
BUT HES A PURE PG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE OTHERS ARE NAPGS!!!!!!!!!
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Off the subject - On Refs & the Integrity of the Game
I just read your post on NBA referees. I would like for you to read my post and give me your thoughts. I feel the same frustration that you do about the current state of referees in the game.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Apples and Oranges
Celtics = McHale, Bird and Ainge could create their own shots and Bird and Ainge were great shooters, especially Bird.
Lakers = Magic, Abdul-Jabaar and Worthy could create their own shots. Also, Magic was a pass-first point guard that could penetrate and kick. Not a “traditional” point guard but pretty damn “pure”.
Bulls = Jordan and Pippen could create their own shots. Jordan was phoenomenal (maybe the best of all time) and could shoot from outside.
Current Celtics = Pierce and Kevin Garnett can could create their own shots and Pierce can shoot from deep.
Current Lakers = Kobe and Gasol can create their own shots. Kobe is fantastic at it and can shoot from deep.
The Kings? AGAIN, besides Tyreke (and Martin when he is back to normal) NOBODY can create their own shot very well. Beno is so-so at it but not a first option. On a team like the KIngs, they NEED a “pure point guard” to create offense and to get players open shots.
Sergio is the only player that fits that bill. He should get more playing time with the core group.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
Well dalt99, I think it wouldn't work
but, hey, we tried starting Brockman, starting Sergio isn’t the worst idea in the world.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Sergio was given his chance to blend when Kevin Martin was injured
with KMart back, he will be given that chance even less
by betweentheeyes on Jan 24, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
True Point Guard
Agreed – I do not view Tyreke as a “true point” guard. I think it is a stretch to consider him a point guard at all, as he does not distribute the ball as a point guard. He is more likely to hold onto the ball himself and pass only when he gets into trouble. I know there are exceptions to this, but this is a tendency, which I have observed time again.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Tyreke
is probably a point forward.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 24, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
I like the stats -- KMart definitely should be coming off the bench
at least for the outset, put KM with Brock and Noc and let him create offense for the second unit — first unit PG should be Sergio or Beno, as Tyreke and KM are basically trying to play the same position right now, and KM’s (lack of) defense is killing us — for now, the starting 5 should be:
Sergio/Beno
Tyreke
Omri
JT
Hawes
and imho, Greene and the other PG should be first off the bench.
Omar Casspi has no second wind. His first wind lasts
forever. Too bad he’s not on the Kings…
"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine
His name is Omri not Omar...
…but who cares… (I do)
I think he knows Omri's name
keep up on current events. . . .
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2010 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
Give Kevin the ball and...
stop hitting the front of the rim…
I’d be a little happy to see them miss shots off the inside back of the rim.
by getPGwithbounce on Jan 24, 2010 1:13 PM PST reply actions
when it makes you happy to see your team miss shots in new and exciting ways
then you know things haven’t been going so well
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Nice game analysis
You did an excellent job doing the game analysis over the past three and 1/2 months. It explains a lot in terms of the Kings wins and losses, as well as forecasting what we can expect in the months to come. I do feel, though, that there is more to the story as to what we bore witness to over the past couple of games. I do believe that there are some problems with the team chemistry right now. I am not a mechanic, so if my car breaks down, I need to take it to a mechanic to diagnose the problem and fix it. I can see that something has broken down, but I do not feel that I am in the position to diagnose it. We, as fans, are on the outside looking in. We do not know what is going on in the heads of the players. I am only going to go so far as to say that we have a problem – there has been a breakdown somewhere along the line. Now we need our crew of basketball mechanics (Westphal and coaching staff) to diagnose the problem in order to come up with a solution. The team may need a new part, such as a big man trade, to help with the repair.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
214 good at game analysis?
Shocking. (If it isn’t good game analysis, my expectation is that he’s been kidnapped by aliens.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Do you have an issue with me?
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Pookey - Do you have an issue with me?
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Yes.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
LOL yep.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
OMG
you have mellowed so much in the last couple of years Pookey that I am almost speechless
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
Why be pissed?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
only cuz I kind of miss the initiation by pookey that new posters had to go through
I remember you called me a rat bastard or something early on and I was walking around with my chest puffed out all day
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
Sorry.
Those days are finished. It ain’t worth it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
That's not what I saw last week with DaUConnDon
:)
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
Your sarcasm shows, but you fail to give a reason.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I don't have to give you a reason.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Never said you did - Just stating a fact
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Yeah.
Stated a fact you did. < / sarcasm >
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
You don't need to indicate your sarcasm, as it seeps out of everyone of your pores.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Oh good.
I was really worried you wouldn’t understand. Clearly that isn’t your problem though.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
So this is how you initiate new people? Where is the welcome mat?
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
You want a welcome mat?
Stick your dick in one.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
You are something else
Yeah, I want a welcome mat. Something like “it is nice to have a new person aboard.”
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
You can go fuck yourself
That’s your welcome mat.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
it's nice to have a new person aboard
and what Pookey said ; )
by betweentheeyes on Jan 24, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks, I will take that as a welcome.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
You kill me bte.
I swear.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
LOL
It’s been fun. I’m sure we will cross paths again.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Yeah fun.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
hey PG, if you are watching the Saints v. Favres
Brett got a Kobe call but then threw an interception.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 24, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I'm watching it.
Talk about fumblelaya in the 2nd half.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Just believe the Vikes will win :)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
And game is now tied. :)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I hope the Vikings lose
(have to make sure the wife’s not watching as I write this.)
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
She's from Minnesota isn't she?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
She'll forgive you if the Vikes go to the SB.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Which won't happen.
Sorry 4-3.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
this time
I think he does
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
One way or another
we have 6 months of bs stories about it to look forward to.
yay.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
That is irritating I'll admit.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
torture
they name is Brett Favre retirement stories
by betweentheeyes on Jan 24, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
What do you expect?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Of course, unless the problem stems from Westphal and the coaching staff,
not saying it is, but like yourself I have not info on what’s going on inside the team. So, I’m open to all possibilities. Even to the Idea that PW isn’t the greatest mind in the league, only the cheapest. I know cheap shot, ;p)
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Good point!
One should not assume anything – Westphal could be the problem. Like you, not saying he is. It would be nice to be a fly on the wall in the locker room, Westphal’s staff meetings, and Petrie’s office. LOL
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
One more thing...
Westphal seems pretty bright to me, as he is very articulate and very careful with how he words some of his comments to media.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Better not to say anything and have people think your an idiot,
then to open it and have people know your one. My Granda Ma liked that one.
The games changed and what worked for PW with another team in the past might not work for him now. But, basketball is just basketball, and I don’t think PW is stupid. He’s trying to be positive and not lose his players respect, so good for him.
I still feel his trying to over manage a team of young inexperienced players. Instead of working them into a cohesive group, and teaching them how to play defense together, he’s playing his best defensive players. And, that could win him a couple of additional games. But, I don’t think Brockman, Noc & Ime are destined to be in the starting line up next season, and if Spencer, Donte & Omri are then they’re missing out on a lot of valuable playing & development time.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
by HighTops on Jan 24, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I like your signature quotes.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Kings are moping
Time to stop moping whenever a teams scores on them. They need to have one thing on their mind whether it’s a missed or made basket. RUN THE BALL. They need to get the ball in, and sprint down the floor. That includes JT, Hawes and all the big men. They need to get into the offense sooner and on missed shots, they need to outhustle the defense. Every time the opponents score OR miss a shot, the Kings players jog or walk the ball up. EVERY player needs to RUN and get the tempo going. That’s the way you create HUSTLE and effort.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
by dalt99 on Jan 24, 2010 2:06 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
This is an excellent point (as is HT's)
Westphal’s mantra has been “attack, attack, attack,” but we have not seen much of that recently. This may be partially due to some tired players, but if it is, Westphal has to adjust the rotations. There is enough depth on this team to stay on the attack, but for some reason it is not happening.
Well played, gentlemen.
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Yeah, nicely noted, dalt.
Moping is an apt way to put it.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Ditto - excellent observation
On a similar note, players do not need to spend much if ANY time celebrating after they make a basket, block, etc. I am not seeing this as much now as a couple of months ago, but sometimes they are doing this while the ball in in play.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Good Stuff
Yup. When I was an assistant basketball coach for my high school team, I brought this up and also sprinting up the floor after every defensive possession make or miss. The coach took the advice and it worked very well. The players didn’t worry about what happened on the play, good or bad on offense or defense. They had one thing on their minds. We drilled it into them. RUN the floor and hustle on both ends. It created many easy baskets on offense and helped stop easy baskets on defense. It’s also just a great way to play at any level.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
Why this isn't Green is beyond me.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
He should be subbing more whole units like Adelman did
right now, starters should be Beno, Reke, Noce, Thompson, Hawes
with a second unit of Reke, Martin, Casspi, Thompson (or if in foul trouble, K. Thomas), Brockman.
i prefer to call it Hubbie Ball
bad roster to do that with though. not enough depth up front and tyreke and kevin need to play more minutes
sorry did not hit teh reply button there, this was in reference to VirginaBlue
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Reke would still get major minutes, Kevin would get less pressure
and other players might get back into a flow with less haphazard subbing.
I also really like the defensive intensity when Reke and Noce are at 2 and 3—-
by VirginiaBlue on Jan 24, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
to be honest, i watched about 90% percent of the Kings games during at least the first 2 Adelman years (before i moved away for college) and watched every nationally televised game possible but i have no recollection how he did his subbing
But i don’t think this team really has the ability to pull off the first unit/second unit thing. I remember the grizzlies used to use it pretty effectively back when they had battier gasol jwill and posey leading the way but i would think the kings would need more depth to pull it off
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
but then again i did just use the grizzlies as an example of depth so what do i know
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
They went 10 deep Wally
They didn’t play one set unit 30 minutes usually.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
i was just trying to say though that i don't think the kings are the type of team that can sub whole units in and out.
I don’t recall all the players on the Grizz back then but i am pretty sure the Kings are not 10 deep.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Oh I agree.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Unrelated question Pookey,
Is there a max salary a team can take on if there willing to pay all the luxury tax ramifications?
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
by nothingbutnet on Jan 24, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
125% + 100K if the team is over the salary cap
If a team is under the salary cap, it is possible to use salary cap room to acquire a player rather than matching salaries to make a trade work.
Make sense?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Thanks
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
by nothingbutnet on Jan 24, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
Any questions in that explanation?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I need to read the salary information post again.
How is ist LA can have such a huge payroll?
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
by nothingbutnet on Jan 24, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
Do you want the short or long version.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Short
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
by nothingbutnet on Jan 24, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
When the Lakers traded Shaq, Lamar Odom had a big salary
Kobe Bryant also had a big salary that has increased every year. Also, some of the rookies back in those years (Walton, Vujacic, Bynum) have also gotten raises that were significantly more than their rookie salaries. Then the Pau Gasol trade also created a lot more salary. It could happen to any team quite honestly. It’s how Orlando has a bigger payroll as well.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
This is the first year in many years that LA has had more salary than anyone else.
For a long time. LA was not a league leader in payroll. For quite a few years, Jerry Buss (Lakers owner) wouldn’t even pay luxury tax.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I think the difference is,
a small market team might trade away the asset to keep payroll in check.
Does this happen?
I can’t see Sac paying that kind of salary even if the team was a contender.
Admitedly I have only a rudimentry knowledge of the NBA salary cap stuff. I’m learning but will ocassionally ask dumb questions.
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
by nothingbutnet on Jan 24, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
LA trades away contracts too to reduce their luxury tax bill
The Pistons won’t pay luxury tax as a rule. Most teams do that if they can NBN. It’s not just small market teams.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
the leader is a large market team with a small market mentality
LA Clippers
by betweentheeyes on Jan 24, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
Excellent point.
The only reason the Clippers spend money is because they have to.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
The Memphis Grizzlies are the small market Clippers
they are winning but have also no intention of continuing to build a winner.
Winning for those two franchises is a matter of happenstance
by betweentheeyes on Jan 24, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know
I think the Grizzlies being over 500 can somewhat argue with that idea.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
perhaps
but their winning is a surprise IMO less than a plan.
I don’t think they intentionally want a bad team, but I also think that dollars > wins
by betweentheeyes on Jan 24, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
That's their choice.
But the Kings are doing somewhat the same thing when you think about it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Wow
that would require a long explanation. In a basic sense, no limit. But the Cap itself causes limits eventually as you can really only exceed it by signing your own Free agents.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
Adelman - you watched more than I did
You clearly have had more hours spent watching coach Adelman. But I would like to share one impression of his coaching style that has stayed with me. I do not recall him doing much subbing at all. My recollection of his style (I started watching him in 2002 until he was fired) was that he would select his starting lineup, run them ragged until they would run out of steam in the 4th quarter, and then the other team would finish the deal. He did not use his bench nearly as much as Westphal does.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
the only thing i remember about Adelman's substitution patterns
Is that he usually did not have many options because half the team was always frickin injured.
I know I perceived that he played the starters alot but again the Bench Mob was pretty important for awhile there. The only guys i remember him burying on the bench were gerald wallace, mateen cleaves, and damon jones (that was frickin hilarious at the time. i remember the one time he let him play and damon started doing a bunch of crazy ass moves for no reason and adelman immediately called a time out and benched him for the rest of the year. Good times!)
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
Most people complained about how little RA substituted
Not that he substituted too much. The general theory from the non pro-Adelman camp was that he always ran his starters into the ground.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
And he hated playing the youngsters
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
he seemed to play peja, hedo, and wahad a bit
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
I was referring more to the perception of Adelman as a coach – I think it was true in some cases, not so much in others.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
Alot of that perception seems to be based around gerald wallace
and the fact that the Kings traded alot of their draft picks for awhile there.
Heck he had quite a bit of faith in Kevin Martin in his second year in the league. I think that is pretty impressive because I he definitely does not have the “look” of a contributor in the nba
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
Could be
I think with Gerald it was just damn hard to bring a rookie along when the team was contending for a championship. Developing young players was definitely of secondary concern.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
Adelman
played as many capable guys as he had, but only about 9-10 deep generally and if he didn’t have 9-10 guys he was real confident in, he’d split the minutes between seven or eight tops. If you got youth development minutes, it was in a blowout.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 24, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
"if he didn't have 9-10 guys he was real confident in ..."
dear lord we were lucky bastards back then to even think of stuff like “well shoot i am really only confident in 7 or 8 of these guys tonight”
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
I think after some good use of K-Dog early in the season
PW should go back to his steadying experience more when Thompson is in a rut (or fouling, or arguing) Settle him down.
And as long as we have Noce, he needs to be better utilized. How many bruiser/tough types shoot well at 3
and can play smart and finish.
My problem is what to do with Donte. He showed me something, but still seems way too erratic.
With regard to Donte
I think PW needs to tell him this:
“You’re on the schedule to get 30 minutes a night, as long as you do 3 things:
a) play hard
b) defend well
c) don’t take dumb shots
If you violate a, b or c, I’m taking away from your 30 minutes."
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
That's a nice credo 4-3.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I actually really like the simple advice Mario Ellie gave him earlier this year
“Don’t give coach an excuse to take you out of the game. That’s the only way you are going to get minutes.”
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
yep
that’s the best advice for Donte, and give the young man some credit for not listening to it.
There was a very real chance Donte would not end up with a successful NBA career. Based on this year, that chance has become exceedingly remote.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
You might add d and e
d) don’t dribble.
e) don’t make dumb passes.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 24, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
Agree...a through e apply to the whole team...but
when Donte does a spin move into the paint….a baby kitten dies…
by getPGwithbounce on Jan 24, 2010 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
10-5 the next fifteen games
Thats my story and I’m sticking to it.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
Oh yeah
:-)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
You also said that January was brutal and it was gonna be tough.
So you might be right. Side Note: are you watching football?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Yep, good game
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
I usually find it boring.
I’m only watching in part because my friend is a big Jets fan. LOL
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
10-5? lttg I think your absence brings up some questions as to where
you have been sequestered. Welcome back, but back off on the Kool-Aid
I am watching the Raps v. Lakers game. TurkeyGlue just hit two FT with 1.6 sec left for the one point advantage
by betweentheeyes on Jan 24, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
Is that game in LA?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
No it's in TO. The Lakers are on their East Coast trip if I remember right.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Their road record sucks
for a team that plans to win a Championship. Have they beaten a good team on the road yet? Not really.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
It's a long season.
I’m not worried about.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
They need to get a lot tougher
They’re paying for that soft early home schedule
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yep no doubt.
But everybody gotta play all 82.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
and many of the big boys don't feel the regular season starts
until after the All-Star break
by betweentheeyes on Jan 24, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah that might be true.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Just staying optimistic :)
I do think they can turn things around a lot. No reason they shouldn’t be scoring 100 just about every game.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with this.
This team has hit a real rough patch. I would have been shocked as hell if there WASN’T a rough patch with this team.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
On the January schedule
I was thinking we’d win a few of those games, but just three of them if I recollect my thoughts correctly and that included GS.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
I thought we'd win 2 of 6 in that trip
but the rest? – pretty much as I expected as the rookies got tired and the schedule tougher.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
I just went and looked
I’m missing one more win somewhere, i predicted 18-25 at this point I think.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
is this an example of why you chose your name to be "lietothegirls"?
by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
no because then it should be...............lietoeverybody
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
Great Writing Section!
At the start of the season I felt like we would be a team in the high 20’s to mid 30’s for wins (erring either high or low and taking injuries, slumps, rookie wall etc. into account). And we are on pace for that kind of season.
What hooked most of the fairweather and even some of the diehards was the strong start well make that the above average start. We played solid ball and now we have fallen off for a number of reasons.
And I’m OK with that. Sure I’d like to see the Kings compete for a title year in year out… but I understand that does not happen in sports.
I’m happy with the progress we have made and cannot wait to see what the next few years hold for us as a community and as fans of the Kings.
Go Kings!
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Jan 24, 2010 9:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Lot of focus here on fixing the offense
But improving the defense would improve the offense a lot. The Kings are most effective in transition, and transition is keyed by tough defense and steals leading to easy baskets.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 25, 2010 4:03 PM PST reply actions
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