Hardwood Paroxysm: Team-Wide Usage/PER Graphs
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There must be something wrong with this analysis
As Eric Maynor rates poorly. And Eric Maynor never rates poorly.
I’d be interested to see more of this kind of thing, perhaps a historical look at some of the better teams of the last few years.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
Actually
Maynor rates pretty highly. Most players are going to have a higher usage than PER, the averages are pretty far apart. But Maynor has a pretty high PER in relation to his usage, and usage isn’t a bad thing, as I tried to point out in the preface. Someone’s got to take shot (here’s a hint, it shouldn’t be Noc).
And yeah, I think my next step might be to do a comparison of LA, Cleveland, Boston, San Antonio, and Dallas over the last few years. Thanks for reading.
-Matt from HP
http://hardwoodparoxysm.com
by Ridiculous Matt on Jan 25, 2010 6:44 AM PST up reply actions
Do these charts clearly show Eric Maynor as the best player in basketball?
If not, then he rates poorly in your statistical analysis. This is UNPOSSIBLE, thus your data is dismissed.
/sarcasm off – nice work Matt, I think you’ll find a large audience looking for this kind of deeper player analysis.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
Oh, I see what you did there
So Eric Maynor is the anti-Vince Carter then. Got it.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Jan 25, 2010 7:07 AM PST up reply actions
I'll let you in on the joke Matt
In the preseason we played the Jazz and we were listening to the Jazz feed and their radio announcer at one point said he thought Maynor was better than Tyreke. So now our inside joke is that Eric Maynor > Everyone.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
What's so funny about that?
/hides his Reke Havoc shrine
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by Ridiculous Matt on Jan 25, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
Not that anybody cares
But the idiot douche who made those claims that night is David Locke.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
DL: “Hi, I’m David Locke.”
IW: “SMACK!”
DL: “OW! What was that for?!”
IW: “Pookey says hi. Bitch.”
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by iashwash on Jan 25, 2010 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't do that
I would just hand Locke a shrine that sorts of like this but with Maynor’s likeness:
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Strangely enough....
….That sort of does look like Eric Maynor.
Yep it’s official Buddha Eric Maynor runs the world.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
while I totally agree (and I wasn’t trying to blow any doors off hinges, just thought “hey, this’ll be neat.” ), I’d love feedback on what else should be taken into account to consider. My thoughts off the top of my head are plus/minus, TS%, and points per 40.
http://hardwoodparoxysm.com
by Ridiculous Matt on Jan 25, 2010 6:45 AM PST up reply actions
Not a big fan of plus/minus
And haven’t seen an adjusted plus/minus that knocks my socks off. I like your use of PER, but I know others are skeptical of that particular stat. True shooting, rebound percentages, etc. are all nice items though.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
Perhaps Efficiency?
Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I think Adjusted +/-, TS%, points per 36/40
And Off/Def Rating would all things I’d rather see than “PER”.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I think the Usage is a great thing though.
Provided people know what Usage is.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I thought the Bulls one looked like Spiderman.
Is that the kind of feedback you’re looking for?
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 25, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
I like this a lot
A quick easy way to compare PER to usage. It is pretty clear that Brock does exactly what he’s supposed to. Evans and K-Mart are about equal to what we’d expect. Sergio needs more minutes. And Noc needs to go.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
by SavageBeast on Jan 25, 2010 7:38 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Also looks a lot like
PW is generally using his players right.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
Until advanced statisitcs are more perfected
pretty danf interesting stuff
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
If you read this chart as simply "Which Players are Making the Best Use of their Time on the Floor"
the ranking for the Kings is as follows:
1) Brockman
2) WaBeno
3) Omri
4) Martin
5) JT
7) Ime
8) Spence
9) Sergio
10) Reke
11) Donté
12) Noce
Unless I’m reading it wrong (entirely possible). The main thing to account for though, I think, is that some players’ production increases as their minutes increase, and some don’t. In other words, someone ranking very high in this comparison who plays a relatively low number of minutes should not necessarily be given more minutes (nor should Reke be “reigned-in” based on this comparison). However, I think you need to have a good sense of what those players could do with more minutes, which is exactly what I think PW is trying to do with Brockness. Perhaps Sergio deserves more of a look as well, but you have a bit more of a problem finding those minutes for him without taking them from other players who you want on the floor.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 25, 2010 9:04 AM PST reply actions
Except
It’s not actually time on the floor. It’s usage. Big difference. What it’s really telling you (in very general terms) is how effective a player is compared to the amount of time they shoot the ball, take a freethrow, or turn the ball over. So what you are seeing is that generally Brockman touches the ball when he is rebounding or scoring. His usage rate is high compared to his PER. Reke’s usage rate is higher than his PER because he has a lot of touches compared to his PER. Noc’s is off the chart—in a bad way. his PER is much lower than his number of shot attempts. (Look up usuage definition to get a better idea.)
Just be aware, that a guy could play a lot of minutes and still have a fairly low usage rate if he doesn’t take a lot of shots.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
I feel like I just took a rawshack test
“Why that looks like a tree with a bird singing.”
“That one looks like a rabbit.”
“That one looks like the team usage rate and per of the Toronto Raptors. Rasho is unstoppable!”
“Why that one looks like the rabbit before, although instead of smiling, now is looks like he is eating the face of a small child.”
“Oh goody I get to eat more Flinstone Pills today!”
wow i can not type correctly
rephrase: Why that one looks like the rabbit from before, although instead of smiling, now it looks like he is eating the face of a small child."
JOKE FAIL!
by wallywagon11 on Jan 25, 2010 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
I hate to tell you wally...
but those aren’t Flinstone Pills…. and save me the Bam-Bam ones
by betweentheeyes on Jan 25, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Rorschach test?
;)
"HARK! BUT LOOK OVER HERE, IT'S A COST CONTROLLED COCO CRISP! DOES MY USE OF ALLITERATION HYPNOTIZE YOU?" (PL78)
by CaliforniaJag on Jan 25, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think you want to mess with Rorshach
by betweentheeyes on Jan 25, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Damn skippy
Short man’s disease is scary.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
RASHO
RANANA TREE
I don't see what's wrong with giving Bobby a little experience before he starts to practise law.
Cool ranana tree.
I don't see what's wrong with giving Bobby a little experience before he starts to practise law.
some of the charts seem distorted
I believe because the players have a PER less than 5 while the center of the chart is five. Would it be difficult to change the labeling to accomodate lower PERs?
Well that can't be rigth
We’re paying him 8.7 million dollars.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
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