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I hate to say it but it happened.  As I was driving home from school today, Peaches mentioned something I actually think is a good idea.  This is a rare occurrence as his pure douche baggery tends to lead him to spout off at the mouth without regard to reality.  But I digress, it did happen.  What did he say?

Star-divide

Kevin Martin could be 6th man of the year. 

 

This is something I've been contemplating for the last half of the recent road trip.  For Napes to manage a cohesive train of thought and come up with a good idea, caused me to swerve off the road(not really).  Kevin's return has been rocky and it is too short of a sample size to make any drastic decisions but this makes sense.

 

Why Kevin?: What most teams look for in a sixth man, is a guy who brings energy, and can light up the scoreboard.  For example Manu, Crawford, Terry, etc..  These guys all are at or near KM's skill level(maybe not Crawford but dude can light it up) and have all accepted their role as sixth man.  They still play a large chunk of the game including crucial minutes in crunch time.  If Kevin can accept this role as well he could be devastating off the bench.

 

Why this helps the Kings:  The lineup with Beno, and Tyreke starting seems to have a solid chemistry and they play well off one another.  Either man can bring the ball up the floor and when Kevin is inserted into the game either man can shift to the one.  The kings reserve lineup would consist of some serious firepower if you bring in KM, Casspi, and Cisco, or any combination of these players. 

 

Can Kevin accept the role?:  This is the twenty four thousand dollar question.  Kevin doesn't seem to have the Webber ego but Wesphal did insert him directly into the starting lineup coming off his injury.  While that could be explained as Westphal deciding the season is more about experience or it could be that Kevin insisted on starting.  While I tend to believe the former, the reason could indeed be the latter as we have no idea what goes on behind closed doors.

 

What the Lineups would look like in my scenario:

Starting:Beno, Tyreke, Donte, Jason, and Spencer

Subs(in order of likely appearance): Kevin, Francisco/Casspi, Brockman, Armstrong

-Noc, K9, and Ime in spot situations

 

If Kevin will accept the role as sixth man it could really work.  Now I'm going to pray to every god I can think of that I never have to agree with Peaches and Cream again.

 

Let the dismantling of my theory begin...

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Should Kevin come off the bench?
Yes
72 votes
No
47 votes
Shut up already with the KM talk
36 votes
Mmm... Peaches and Cream
10 votes

165 votes | Poll has closed

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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I don't think he should come off the bench permanently

I also don’t think he should be moved to the bench now . In fact I think that would be a desaster( I know I know how much worse could it be?) Kevin’s only problem to me is he concerned himself too much on fitting in instead of playing his game. He put too much pressure on himself. PW should have brought him off the bench for the first 5 or so games in the first place. That way he could just come off the bench & light it up with no pressure to fit in with tyreke or the rest of the team. That would have built confidence. Then you work in line-ups of him & Tyreke . Moving him to the bench now would just make his confidence even worse. PW just needs to tell Kevin to go out there & score the damn ball & try to mix in a little defense.

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Jan 26, 2010 12:22 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

i don’t think moving him to the bench is the best solution either. Although the thought of this is very intriguing but for the meantime I say have him start. Kevin just isn’t playing his game right now. He is trying to hard to fit into the system instead of just going out there and playing his game. Since we read the national media I’m sure kevin does and I think he is worrying to much about fitting in instead of playing his game. That’s my take on it for right now.

by SKingsFan on Jan 26, 2010 12:46 AM PST reply actions  

What really concerns me

…is that I had the same idea ten days ago. At least until he feels like he’s got his legs back under him again, I don’t think Martin would be the sort to have a fit about it.

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by andy sims on Jan 26, 2010 6:42 AM PST reply actions  

Starting him off the bench upon his return might have been a good idea,

but that ship has sailed.

Here’s the thing – the Spurs can bring Manu off the bench because they have Tim Duncan and Tony Parker in their starting lineup. We don’t have an offensive threat as good as either of these guys, so this move does not make sense to me.

Additionally, this is what Beno Udrih should be doing. And if Udrih can’t do it, don’t reward him with a promotion to the starting lineup.

Kevin Martin is one of our two best players. He needs to be starting (and finishing), in my opinion.

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by section214 on Jan 26, 2010 8:02 AM PST reply actions  

Oh -

And a rec for the post – in part for the Simpsons art, and in part for having the brass set to admit that you agreed with Napes on something.

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by section214 on Jan 26, 2010 8:04 AM PST up reply actions  

A Salmons flashback
Additionally, this is what Beno Udrih should be doing. And if Udrih can’t do it, don’t reward him with a promotion to the starting lineup.

If I recall, Salmons couldn’t play off the bench, so we started him. And a lot of folks here seemed to think that was the wise thing to do.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 26, 2010 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Difference is,

Salmons was squeezed out of the lineup by better players (Artest and Martin). Who are the better players squeezing Martin out of the starting lineup?

I recall that there was a lot of frustration over the fact that Salmons was ineffective off the bench. There may have even been suggestions that Artest start at the 4 so that Salmons could re-enter the starting lineup at the 3. But I don’t recall anyone suggesting that Artest or Martin should come off the bench so that Salmons could start.

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by section214 on Jan 26, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Good point

So why don’t the Mavs start Jason Terry? I know with Dirk they have scoring more or less covered, but is there someone squeezing him out of the starting lineup?

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 26, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the idea has been that Dirk and Josh Howard would score a lot

and then Jason Terry would bring the energy off the bench. Obviously Howard has been kinda crappy this season, so that reasoning is out. However, it is important to note that just because Terry is the first off the bench doesn’t mean he’s not on the floor during crunch time when his scoring is most important. Salmons whined like a bitch coming off the bench. Terry embraces it and knows he’ll have the chance with the ball in his hands when it matters most.

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by vfettke on Jan 26, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Obviously
However, it is important to note that just because Terry is the first off the bench doesn’t mean he’s not on the floor during crunch time when his scoring is most important.

It would be the same scenario with Kmart.

One thing about the recent switch to Brockman in the starting lineup is the Kings have improved their starts and first quarters in general. It’s the second quarter when they start falling apart. Starting strong with a defensive focus and then bringing in Kevin Martin for instant offense (assuming he returns to form) seems like an idea worth considering.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 26, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm all for it

if everyone’s playing offense at a decent level. Right now Kevin would be terrible as a 6th man because he just hasn’t got his rhythm back. When he does, and everyone else does as well, Kevin might make a great 6th man. Section has a great point about how the teams that do this have great offensive threats on the floor in the starting lineups. However, the Kings have proven they can play great offense and win games without Kevin at all. So there has to be a way for our starters to play that way again and then have Kevin come off the bench.

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by vfettke on Jan 26, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

The Mavs can afford to do this because they have Dirk, Marion and Howard

in their starting lineup. Our starting lineup lacks that firepower.

The Spurs have Duncan and Parker and Jefferson, so Manu can come off the bench.

The Nugs have ’Melo and Billups and Nene, so Smith can come off the bench.

The Kings have Evans and…and…and…

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by section214 on Jan 26, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Who is Evans?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

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by pookeyguru on Jan 26, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Think he means Evers Burns.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 26, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Good call.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 26, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Weapons galore
The Kings have Evans and…and…and…

JT, Nocioni, Casspi, Beno, Hawes, Donte and others have all shown they can put the ball in the basket. We’re going to have to get it done with those guys and Martin whether they start or come off the bench.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 26, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

they won games without Martin

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by vfettke on Jan 26, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

The guys that you're naming there -

You would put them on a par with Dirk and Marion and Howard and Duncan and Parker and Jefferson and ’Melo and Billups and Nene?

Jason Thompson is averaging 13.7 points per game this year. Noc’s high water mark was 14.1 back in ‘06-’07, which makes him the most lethal of these weapons, at least statistically.

The Kings do not possess the type of offensive firepower that these other teams possess, the type of talent (Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Al Horford) that allows for good offensive talent (Jamal Crawford) to come off the bench.

Igoudala as a 6th man? Danny Granger? Trevor Ariza? I don’t see it with those guys, and I don’t see it with Kevin Martin.

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by section214 on Jan 26, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Clerical error
You would put them on a par with Dirk and Marion and Howard and Duncan and Parker and Jefferson and ’Melo and Billups and Nene?

Nope, that’s why I said:

We’re going to have to get it done with those guys and Martin whether they start or come off the bench.

Incidentally, Nene is only averaging 14.2 per game, not much more than JT, so he doesn’t belong on your list. So maybe the Nuggets should be starting Smith instead of bringing him off the bench.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 26, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point on Nene

’Melo and Billups combine for 49 a game. 14 is pretty good from your 3rd option, when your first two options are pouring in almost 50 per. When we get to that point, perhaps we can put our best scorer on the bench.

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by section214 on Jan 26, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

It would be nice

if Kevin would become our best scorer again. At this point, I’d be happy if he was our third best scorer.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 26, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

But that is an entirely different conversation – instead of bringing him off the bench to provide firepower, do you just bench him, period? Probably a little too early to have that conversation, but last night’s home cooking sure didn’t do him any favors.

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by section214 on Jan 27, 2010 7:54 AM PST up reply actions  

The Kings do possess the offensive firepower to do so

the problem is they don’t consistently possess that

Look at some of the second options of teams with poptential 6th Man of the Year candidates:

Josh Howard – 12.2ppg, 3.5rpg, 1.7apg
Shawn Marion – 11.7/6.5/1.5apg
Tony Parker – 17.1/5.7/2.5 – Parker has quite a few more points as a second option as Duncan has had less
Gallinari – 14.7/4.9/1.6
Josh Smith – 15.1/8.3/3.8

Now, let’s look at two of our other main offensive options:

Omri – 12.5/4.9/1.4
JT – 13.7/8.8/2

Our two guys aren’t quite as good as some of those others, however Marion and Howard aren’t either, but together on the same team they do quite well. The problem with these two being our other options is their major inconsistency. They’re both young and needing to improve. Right now’s a terrible time to bring Martin off the bench. But, we won games with Omri and JT as our second and third options, without Kevin. If they can play at that level again there’s no reason Kevin can’t come off the bench. I pointed out below some shooting percentage stats for the last 5 games. Omri’s shooting 50% on 26 of 52. His real slump has been his three point shooting, something we never totally expected him to be good at. If you subtract his 1 of 15 the guys shooting 67% over the last 5 games. There’s no reason JT and Omri can’t be secondary threats on offense

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by vfettke on Jan 26, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

If we were a championship caliber team it would be a consideration

by Doors Open on Jan 26, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think Beno has realy lost his starting role

He was demoted because Kevin came back not because he was playing horribly. It’s not about Beno, it’s about where Kevin can play without the pressure on his shoulders.

This whole idea really is more of a look to the future after we (hopefully) get a dominant big man in our starting lineup

It would probably hurt Kevin’s ego to demote him right now but perhaps at the start of next season it would be something to consider, especially if we get a big.

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by kangsfan on Jan 26, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

It isn't about Kevin's ego

It’s about putting the best team on the floor. Beno never had the starting role, unless you want to go back to the NaPG thing again. Beno is a point guard. he is not a two. If Evans is our point guard of the future, you must start him with a two. PW tried Donte, he tried Beno, he tried Casspi, he even tried Noc. But the truth is that we don’t have a two anywhere close to K-Mart. If you move Evans to the 2, your matchup benefits go away. Yes, Kevin is struggling right now. But it is not because he is starting. Once K-Mart gets his shot back, the 1-2 punch of Martin and Evans will be very hard for teams to match up with.

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by SavageBeast on Jan 26, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

oh man

what happened to our glut of wings. When Cisco comes back i hope this mess is cleared up

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by AkaP on Jan 27, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Not too late. It needs to happen.

Yes, Martin should have returned from injury coming off the bench and worked his way back to being a starter. But since Martin is definitely in a major funk something needs to change.

Now is the time to start Beno with Evans. The shake up may be exactly what Martin needs.

by KingsFan on Jan 27, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

"but that ship has sailed"

That’s sounds like an Adelman attitude if I ever heard one.

by KingsFan on Jan 27, 2010 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Thank you

I’ll take Adelman’s attitude, if the results go along with it.

That said, there is a huge difference between saying Martin should come off the bench to provide firepower, and that he should be benched because his play should cost him his starting job. If we are talking about pulling him from the starting lineup because his performance is lacking (and it has been), I don’t think we’re there yet. But we’re getting close.

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by section214 on Jan 27, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with Section when it comes to not having enough offense in our starting 5

In all honesty, we should have the offensive threat to bring Kevin off the bench. But, we’ve seen a lot of inconsistent play from pretty much everyone not named Tyreke. If there were some consistency there and they started playing like they did when Kevin was out then I’d say bring him off the bench. I’ve said for awhile that I think one of Kevin and Tyreke should be on the floor at all times, and both should definitely be on the floor in crunch time. This doesn’t necessarily mean they both can’t start, however. Unfortunately, Kevin has not been himself since his return and apparently when he came back he murdered everyone else’s confidence somehow (that’s sarcasm, by the way).

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by vfettke on Jan 26, 2010 8:31 AM PST reply actions  

It's sort of funny how on one hand everyone is inconsistent except for tyreke

and at the same time the ball is always consistently in Tyreke’s hands

by wallywagon11 on Jan 26, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

when i say “consistent” i am talking about consistent offensively

by wallywagon11 on Jan 26, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I like this

from Rotoworld:

Kings coach Paul Westphal is urging Kevin Martin to play aggressive basketball and to stop worrying about fitting in.
Kev-Mart hasn’t been his usual self since returning from wrist surgery, but he recently spent some time with coach Pete Carril to work on his shooting form. We expect he’ll be routinely scoring 20+ points in no time

by Dub_TC on Jan 26, 2010 9:01 AM PST reply actions  

i took a glance at the last 5 games and only 3 of our main offensive weapons have shot better than 40%:

Tyreke – 42-81 = 51%
Omri – 26-52 = 50%
Spencer – 19-44 = 43%

Meanwhile, everyone else has been pretty crappy:

Beno – 12-32 = 38%
Nocioni – 10-29 = 35%
Donte – 11-32 = 34%
Kevin – 19-58 = 33%
Thompson – 14-43 = 32%

The losing started before Kevin came back, but got worse once he did. This team’s confidence was already shot and now they’ve added a new player into the mix who has to work on getting his rhythm back while taking some of the minutes the other guys were getting. Had Kevin come back when were consistently winning and our guys were playing some great ball he could’ve slowly been worked back into the lineup by coming off the bench. But Kevin came back after we’d lost a handful of games and Westphal had hoped he’d be able to give us an instant boost. I think it’s been fairly obvious that he wasn’t ready and his insertion into the starting lineup did not help guys like Beno, Omri,and Donte, all of whom have been struggling, by taking away some of their minutes rather than letting them work their way out of their individual slumps. This is in no way a knock on Kevin. It’s not his fault he hasn’t been totally ready. This is more of a knock on the poor timing of his return. Kevin should’ve been able to come off the bench upon his return and work his way back up, something he would’ve done easily without complaint. Instead Westphal felt the need to put him in right away because other guys weren’t playing their best.

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by vfettke on Jan 26, 2010 9:18 AM PST reply actions  

We lost more than a handful of games before he came back

And I would venture to say there is not a game we would have won if he was still out that we lost with him back. Right now a lot of guys are playing poorly. But I don’t see any way that this ties back to martin’s minutes. Unless you really think these players shot poorly because they didn’t get anough time on the floor. Don’t see it.

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by SavageBeast on Jan 26, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

No, he starts

He’s your best offensive player, the last few games not withstanding. The whole team stinks on D, you need to outscore some teams for now, he’s not the problem . . . .
etc etc etc

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by lietothegirls on Jan 26, 2010 10:05 AM PST reply actions  

Kevin as 6th Man

I like it! I have also considered it, but threw it out because I figured that PW would never do it. When Kevin came back, it was reported that he would be willing to come off the bench. Course, as you say, we don’t really know what goes on behind closed doors.

Agreed: “Had Kevin come back when were consistently winning and our guys were playing some great ball he could’ve slowly been worked back into the lineup by coming off the bench.”

Given how Kevin has performed in his last few games, he might be very open to the idea. If nothing else, it would be interesting to see how this scenario would pan out.

This sounds like Grant is trying to plant another idea into management and/or PW. I am fairly certain that they are frustrated enough that they just might try it.

Your lineups (below) look fine, but where is Sergio? Also, you still want to start Hawes to the starting lineup instead of Brockman? (Brockman’s plus minus stats are better for the team) Whatever, it sounds like an interesting plan.

Starting:Beno, Tyreke, Donte, Jason, and Spencer

Subs(in order of likely appearance): Kevin, Francisco/Casspi, Brockman, Armstrong

-Noc, K9, and Ime in spot situations

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by Slam_Dunk on Jan 26, 2010 10:17 AM PST reply actions  

oops I knew I was forgetting someone.

Honestly, I’d throw him in the last category with Noc, K9 and Ime

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by kangsfan on Jan 26, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Poor Sergio - overlooked again. lol

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by Slam_Dunk on Jan 26, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

and Big Mac

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by AkaP on Jan 27, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

That's right, can't forget him

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jan 27, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

If Kevin Martin is your 6th man

I think you should be a championship contender. Simple thought but I think it’s accurate

The future begins now...

by edm7 on Jan 26, 2010 10:51 AM PST reply actions  

I thought the time to bring Kevin off the bench

was when he was coming back. Now is too late in my opinion because his confidence is clearly shot, and sending him to the bench now would not be a good move for Westphal and Martin’s mental health.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 26, 2010 1:39 PM PST reply actions  

Not to make light of the situation

But if Martin’s “mental health” is that fragile, let’s just get it over with and deal him.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 26, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Soft

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by SavageBeast on Jan 26, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Soft now, but a sharpshooter when he is confident

Do you want to watch him put up high numbers against the Kings, if he gets traded to another team? Just a thought. Every SWAT team has its marksman.

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by Slam_Dunk on Jan 27, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

TWSS

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jan 28, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Especially if you get another guard

Either through trade or through John Wall, if you get a good point guard and move Tyreke to the 2 guard, Kevin could be a great scorer off the bench.

by White Brocklate on Jan 26, 2010 3:59 PM PST reply actions  

Now this I agree with

As soon as you have two guards that are better than Martin, Martin should come off the bench.

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by section214 on Jan 26, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

As of right now Beno and Tyreke

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Jan 26, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that is premature

Martin’s play is certainly a concern, but are you saying wipe away his career achievements due to a bad couple of weeks since returning from injury?

Udrih is currently playing better than Martin, but Udrih is not a better player than Martin.

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by section214 on Jan 27, 2010 7:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey now.

You may not inject reality into any debate.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

No i am saying for the time being Beno is playing better then martin. You play your best players at the time of the game to give you the best chance at winning the game. Its just the same as you play certain players against certain teams because of matchups.

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Jan 27, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Shhhh...

you are not supposed to point that out

by KingsFan on Jan 27, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

So it is your opinion that Udrih > Martin?

I’d like to run that one past 30 GM’s.

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by section214 on Jan 27, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

It would effectively serve as a GM IQ test that's for sure.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Not saying that

It’s all about getting Martin’s head back into game shape and doing what’s best for the team.

by KingsFan on Jan 27, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

And I agree with that

Given the fact that Martin had a bit of a layoff and that the offense has completely changed from when he played earlier in the season, I’d like to see him get a few more games in with the first unit before we throw in the towel on him.

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by section214 on Jan 27, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Deja vu?

I seem to remember Martin last year about this time, coming back from injury and coming off the bench. He went off for 45 points against the Pacers

by KingsFan on Jan 27, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Correct

Martin’s first four games were off the bench, then he returned to the starting lineup. Westphal deceided to put Martin right back into the starting lineup. In retrospect, that was a mistake. But as my dad used to so eloquently say, you can’t put the sh*t back into the horse.

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by section214 on Jan 27, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

See above

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Jan 27, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Not about this post specifically

but this is a good place for random thoughts about the Kevin Martin situation.

I’m very dissapointed in the media (huge surprise, I know), especially the local media, because no one is giving Kevin Martin the benefit of the doubt. Instead of actually helping the guy, they keep bringing him down with all these “Reke-Kevin” doesn’t work and all the radio talk.

Maybe I expect too much out of the “voices” in Sacramento (I know I do) but is it too much to ask to just get behind Kevin, and the organization as a whole? I wouldn’t mind some crazy “homerism” right about now. It’s not like we’re talking about some malcontent, spoiled, rich brat who has never played hard and never given a crap about the team and the city, right?

The future begins now...

by edm7 on Jan 27, 2010 8:45 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

You're right...

Kevin is a great guy with a lot of talent, who is going through a difficult time right now. I am sure he reads or hears through the grapevine about all of this talk going on about him. Spencer Hawes knew about his grade of D written in Sam’s article in the Bee. Plus there is a large contingent of Martin Haters out there.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jan 27, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think they are Kevin Martin Haters, I think they are just Haters, and oxymoronically

Haters Love to Hate.

 Kevin Martin is just the current topic to expound and grunt about.

I agree with Ed’s premise. Why isn’t the local media appalled by the treatment of Martin?
This guy was, until 10 games into this season, the face of the franchise. The Kings world ambassador of basketball. It puts the EFF in Fickle

by betweentheeyes on Jan 27, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions   4 recs

and oxytone, too!

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jan 28, 2010 1:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Is oxymoronically anything like oxycontin?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah...

Those who take oxycontin aren’t able to come up with oxymorons.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jan 28, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Cool.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

To clarify my stance on this whole idea

All I am looking for is a way to help Martin find his comfort zone. I want Martin to succeed and if that is at the 2 spot starting, then awesome. However, as this team adds a few more pieces and some of our youth mature a bit more, Kevin may fit really well into the 6th man role. I’m not hating on Kevin, and would hate to see him lose all his mojo or get sent to another team.

"My rhymes are so potent that in this small segment, I made all of the ladies in the area pregnant. Yes I know sometimes my lyrics are sexist, but you lovely bitches and hoes should know I'm trying to correct this." -Jermaine

by kangsfan on Jan 28, 2010 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

No worries kangsfan

That’s why on my post title I said what followed was not really about this post. This was just a thread about Kevin and thought it was a good place to share my dissapointment with the local media.

If Kevin’s role is truly to be the 6th man for this team then I believe that means we will be (when that happens) championship contenders and I definitely look forward to that. For now, let’s just hope Kevin gets his game back soon because the team needs it.

The future begins now...

by edm7 on Jan 28, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I did notice that

"My rhymes are so potent that in this small segment, I made all of the ladies in the area pregnant. Yes I know sometimes my lyrics are sexist, but you lovely bitches and hoes should know I'm trying to correct this." -Jermaine

by kangsfan on Jan 29, 2010 7:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Whoops

Had a bit more to say. I have to say I agree that role would only seem appropriate when we are a championship caliber team, but I really think we’re only one or two pieces away as well as some maturation by the younguns, so if Kevin can have success now or next yr at 6th man, it should be considered.

"My rhymes are so potent that in this small segment, I made all of the ladies in the area pregnant. Yes I know sometimes my lyrics are sexist, but you lovely bitches and hoes should know I'm trying to correct this." -Jermaine

by kangsfan on Jan 29, 2010 7:54 AM PST up reply actions  

We definitely can't rule that out

I guess we’ll just have to wait and see how the team develops.

The future begins now...

by edm7 on Jan 29, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Finding Kevin's Mojo...

…I do think it is an intriguing idea of Martin taking a 6th man role. I was just wondering if he did, how would his salary compare with other sixth man players? I would think that it would be on the high end.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jan 28, 2010 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's a few

Jamal Crawford: 9.3 mil this year
Jason Terry 9 mil and change this year
JR Smith: 6.2 mil this year
Manu Ginobili: 10.7 mil this year
Kevin Martin:9.7 mil this year

(Shamsports numbers)

He’s paid about even with the best of them

"My rhymes are so potent that in this small segment, I made all of the ladies in the area pregnant. Yes I know sometimes my lyrics are sexist, but you lovely bitches and hoes should know I'm trying to correct this." -Jermaine

by kangsfan on Jan 29, 2010 7:51 AM PST up reply actions  

That is interesting.

His salary is comparable to the others, so it would not be out-of-line for him to be coming off the bench.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jan 29, 2010 8:00 AM PST reply actions  

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