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Early '10 Draft Preview: John Wall and... uh... yeah.

(From the FanPosts. -- TZ)

With the Kings currently enduring a seventeen thousand game losing streak and looking like the team we thought they were before they went and got our damn hopes up, I'm sure many an eye has been wandering over to DraftExpress and Chad "Maciej Lampe" Ford's sad and yet often hilarious corner of the Internet to see what's doing with the '10 draft.

Well, I'll tell you what's doing: John Wall is awesome.

Other than Wall? Yeah. About that.

Star-divide

But first!

A quick look back at my previous draft posts from '09. In the first one I laid out my draft philosophy, which gives you some perspective on where I'm coming from.

Essentially: PGs must be very quick and either score extremely well or pass extremely well (or both); Wings need to be athletic, handle the ball, and shoot well from outside (on the grounds that you can always find an athletic defender off the D-League scrap heap); Bigs need to have good hands; and most importantly, always always beware the unathletic and/or undersized guys about whom pundits say negative negative negative but they can just flat out play. (Adam Morrison gives much love to his homies in draft bust heaven.)

My second post was a pre-draft ranking, which I will defend to the death. Except for the parts where I was wrong. And before you say it: Jeff Teague. I know. We all know. Let's give it a few years and then we can talk. The rest of the post stands, although I underestimated the ability of Eric Maynor to not only dominate our universe, but also the universes that only he has the power to create.

But enough about '09!! Let's look at '10.

There is one sure thing in this draft. And his name is John Wall. It's not even close. The question isn't whether he's the best prospect in this class, the question is whether he's the best prospect since LeBron. Wall has otherworldly (read: Tyreke-esque) finishing ability, he's a terrific passer, he's got outstanding athleticism, and at 6'4" he creates all sorts of matchup problems at PG. He's dynamite in transition, he is a very good shooter from outside, and he's got quick hands on defense. He's got it all. If there's any knock I could possibly make against Wall it's that I would characterize his first step as "extremely" rather than "lightning" quick (though don't get me wrong, he's plenty quick), he's a bit turnover prone, and he's a bit inconsistent from outside.

But if the Kings get the #1: pick him and don't look back.

Other than that.... lots and lots of question marks. Some definite talent! But question marks abound. ?????? Hear that? ?????????????? Question marks.

Right now, admittedly, it's very early. It's worth mentioning that at this time last year Tyreke Evans looked more like he was auditioning for the And-One team than a future NBA star, so don't take these rankings too seriously. Early early early. Here follows a rough ranking of who I see as the top 21 - ranked by how good a prospect I think they are rather than how well they'd fit with the Kings. Oh, and I haven't seen any of the Euros play so they're not on here. Everyone else I've seen at least twice.

And yes - it's basically arbitrary at this point.

1. John Wall (PG, Kentucky) - We've discussed.

2. Derrick Favors (PF, Georgia Tech) - I know. He's the guy you want the Kings to get. The athleticism! The dunkage! The potential Jerry-isms! Favors is big and can get way up off the floor, and he actually reminds me a whole lot of Blake Griffin as a freshman. Much like early Griffin, his offense mainly consists of getting the ball and trying to dunk it (preferably while destroying the rim in the process), and also like Griffin, he's a disappointment in the shotblocking department considering his size and athleticism. Unfortunately, while he shows some nascent shooting and passing ability, he doesn't exactly have Griffin's relentless motor and kind of tends to drift at times. Also: I'd like him better if he were a little taller. Some definite positives, some definite question marks, and in this draft he'll probably end up #2.

3. Avery Bradley (PG, Texas) - Prepare yourself to hear seven million times over the next six months that Bradley isn't really a point guard and is really an undersized shooting guard and blah blah blah. Don't listen to them. Yes, he's a scoring point with some serious quickness, an impressive pull-up jumper, and good finishing ability. He's also capable of some jaw-dropping passes. Is he a pure point guard? No. Does it matter? No. His job at Texas is to score. He does it well. I think he'll be moving up draft boards before you know it.

4. Evan Turner (SG, Ohio State) - Here's where I feel like the thinness of this draft begins to show. Turner is a very good ball-handler, a good passer, and he's pretty creative getting to the hoop and finishing. He's also an underwhelming athlete and has the lineiest line-drive jump shot since Shareef Abdur-Rahim. I don't really get the hype with Turner, but he's basically the only swingman in this draft who can create his own shot, so............ yeah. I guess that means he's a top 5 prospect in this draft. Also: quickest return ever after breaking his back?

5. Wesley Johnson (SF, Syracuse) - I feel like people are a litttttttle too excited about this guy. On the one hand: Yes, holy crap! New guy bursting onto the scene in Syracuse! On the other hand: Um. You know he's older than Donté Greene, right? Johnson is a very good athlete and has good size for a SF. He's also a good shooter with a high release, and when you combine athlete + good shooter it usually translates to some sort of a role in the NBA. The problem is that he's not very good at creating his own shot and who knows what kind of defense he plays because Syracuse zones. At 22 he's obviously still young enough to get better, but let's not lose our minds here. Carmelo he ain't.

6. DeMarcus Cousins (PF, Kentucky) - When you look at Cousins you'd think he'd be the last person to show up on a "bigs who play like smalls" list. He's huge!! But Cousins is a bit allergic to contact, he'd rather step outside to shoot a jumpshot than bang in the paint, and his athleticism, hustling, and defense leave quite a lot to be desired. I reserve the right to still get excited about Cousins, but he's the type of offensively-minded middling-defending big that currently has us banging our heads against the wall.

7. Ed Davis (PF, North Carolina) - Call me a Davis skeptic. You'll hear a lot of Chris Bosh comparisons with Davis, and I get that. Sort of. Okay, not really. I mean, he's 6'10" and skinny, a pretty fluid athlete, and, uh, he plays in the ACC? Unfortunately he's nowhere near as talented offensively as a sophomore as Bosh was as a freshman, his hands are a little shaky, he doesn't have great touch around the rim, and he's been wildly underwhelming when playing against other good bigs. Is he really that much better than Hilton Armstrong? (ducks)

8. Cole Aldrich (C, Kansas) - A shorter Joel Przybilla with a jump shot. That's basically all you need to know. Well, that, and Mark Cuban has already committed to paying him $80 million in 2018.

9. Patrick Patterson (PF, Kentucky) - I was really skeptical of Patterson last season on the grounds that 6'8" power forwards have a really hard time making it in the NBA. And while Patterson is strong, he still gets muscled around by big power forwards. This season, however, he has done a lot to improve his game. He has really worked on his jumper and can now reliably hit three pointers, in addition to his already-strong post game. This is important, because he can now stretch defenses and go inside/outside on power forwards. He's still a bit of a tweener and might struggle defensively in the NBA, but with the outside jumper he could potentially  be a Udonis Haslem-type guy.

10a. Craig Brackins (PF, Iowa State) - Brackins surprised a lot of people last year with such feats as dropping 42 points on Kansas, but this year he looks like he's playing out the remainder of a prison term. The thing about Brackins is that he's got some of the best inside/outside offensive talent in all of college. He can back guys down and score creatively in the post, he can shoot from outside (over 40% from 3), and he can even take guys off the dribble. He's got very good size and athleticism. But this season he's been hanging out on the perimeter, every time he touches the ball he's double or triple teamed because his teammates suck, and he looks like he'd rather die than fail to make the NIT again. And hey, guess I don't blame him there. The skill is still there even though the effort isn't, and even though he's already 22 and his superduper upside potential might be limited, I'm calling draft sleeper.

10b. Ekpe Udoh (PF, Baylor) -  One of two transfers that people are a little too excited about (Wes Johnson being the other). Like Brackins, Udoh is already 22 years old, he's 6'10" and athletic and can handle the ball and shoot from outside. He's much skinnier than Brackins and a better shotblocker, but Brackins is more skilled offensively. Both of these guys are pretty good, but age and potential NBA softness will probably push them down into the middle of the first round.

12. Scotty Hopson (SG, Tennessee) - Flying under the radar. Last season Hopson was kind of indistinguishable among Tennessee's seventeen 6'7" guys, but this season he's really putting together his mutli-faceted skills. He's a great ball-handler, he's got good moves to the hoop, he can shoot from outside, and he's extremely athletic. He still lacks some polish, but he's got skills and athleticism in spades. Now that Tyler Smith finally got caught by Sheriff Rosco, look for Hopson to be The Guy at Tennessee and more attention to follow.

13. Greg Monroe (PF, Georgetown) - Monroe has silenced two or three doubters by raising his rebounding numbers this year, but everyone else is busy debating whether he is paper tissue soft or more like down pillow soft. He's reasonably quick and mobile, he's a really good passer, and he has a good midrange game. But he's allergic to contact, he's earthbound, and I still want DNA proof that he's not related to Spencer Hawes.

14. Stanley Robinson (SF, Connecticut) - The athleticism is undeniable, and do my eyes deceive me or can Stanely Robinson now shoot the three? He's still tremendously awkward offensively and he doesn't block as many shots as you think he does (1.4). But with the three point shooting and his athleticism he may now be the defense-and-3 SF roleplayer that every championship team seems to have.

15. Al-Farouq Aminu (SF, Wake Forest) - The good news is that Al-Farouq looks a little more comfortable with the ball than he did last year, meaning he doesn't dribble the ball off his foot or drop passes nearly every posession. But he's still very very far away from having anything resembling an offensive game, he's not strong enough to play the 4 in the NBA, and he has none of the skills you'd want out of a small forward. Other than the whole jumping out of the gym thing.

16. Devin Ebanks (SF, West Virginia) -The latest graduate from the Billy Owens Memorial School of small forwards who can do everything except shoot (notable recent graduates include Julian Wright and Earl Clark). Ebanks has great size at 6'9", he can handle the ball, he can pass, he's pretty unselfish, he's a fluid athlete. But he can't shoot. And I'm sorry, scouts always love these guys, but show me where the Billy Owens "do everything but shoot" mold works. (It doesn't.)

17. Gani Lawal (PF, Georgia Tech) - He's probably 6'7" or 6'8" but holy crap is this guy tough. He can rebound extremely well, he hustles relentlessly, and he has clearly worked on his free throw shooting, which is still ugly but goes in more often. He doesn't have enough offensive talent to be anything but serve as a banging roleplayer, but he should do that job pretty well.

18. Soloman Alabi (C, Florida State) - He's tall. And... did I mention he's tall?

19. Xavier Henry (SG, Kansas) - Wildly overrated. Not a very good athlete, and he has precisely one offensive move: catch and shoot. And he hasn't even been doing that particularly well lately.

20. Willie Warren (SG, Oklahoma) - Not a fan. The athletic gifts are there. The size, brains, and shooting ability are not.

21. Larry Sanders (PF, VCU) - A beanpole shotblocker who has still managed to play well even without the universe-altering powers of Eric Maynor to give him strength. It's hard to imagine how Sanders will make it as a big in the NBA because he's so damn skinny. But 6'10" athletic guys with freakishly long arms don't grow on trees. They just look like they do.

 

Flame away, fellow draft nerds.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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I have wet dreams about John Wall

and quite frankly, it’s about time the draft gods and karma both smile favorably upon our Kings and give us the top pick.

John Wall + Tyreke + Kevin = Beast Mode x infinite

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by vfettke on Jan 26, 2010 9:32 AM PST reply actions  

Brockman + Wall

= Brall, the unstoppable force of one+one

by clicc916 on Jan 26, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

If we got wall

It’d be time to trade Kevin Martin…

Tyreke Evans for R.O.Y!

by sac-townz finest on Jan 26, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

That really the question. If you somehow lucked into getting Wall, do you slide Evans to teh 2 or the 3? I know, we don’t name positions here, so I won’t hurt feelings. But generally you need a 1 or a 2 who is a lights out outside shooter.

""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan

by SavageBeast on Jan 26, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

NaSF

Section214 is my hero. Good shakes!

by debrixtha1 on Jan 26, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Evans can play the 2 but not the 3...

1 Wall
2 Tyreke
3 Casspi/Greene
4 Thompson
5 Center We Traded K-Mart for

We don’t lose our size advantage and that team would be amazing!

Tyreke Evans for R.O.Y!

by sac-townz finest on Jan 27, 2010 4:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Very nice report, nbrans.

Wall is the obvious #1, of course, but it was right of you to point out that this fact is not just obvious, but super-painfully obvious. You get the top pick, you grab him, and let GMP sort it out.

There are some good players in the draft, but I don’t think any of them are sure things in the way Wall is. Favors could be great, but when I watched Dayton beat them earlier this season, I wasn’t knocked out, and UD isn’t a top 10 school or anything. But Dayton, like every NBA team, has athleticism for days. If that type of depth puts a cramp in Favors’ style, then he may have problems. Then again, it’s just one game.

But then again…

And there’s your reaction to draft preview.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jan 26, 2010 9:33 AM PST reply actions  

Quick question about Favors

What does everyone see in him? I don’t get it. I’ve watched 4 or 5 of G-Tech’s games and I’ve never once said ‘Wow! That kid is a top 3 lottery pick’. If I hadn’t heard his name in draft rankings, I would have watched the game and not really noticed him. Maybe he is a player that will transition nicely into the pros and he might have all the tools a player needs, but he hasn’t really produced this year. To be fair, he has been playing on the same team as Gani Lawal, so that might decrease his production. Then again, maybe I need to watch more of his games?

by king4life on Jan 26, 2010 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

Against Clemson he looked pretty awesome

Crazy dunks, including a reverse alley-oop, and some good rebounding. But there have also been games I’ve watched where, like you, I hardly noticed him.

Basically he’s just all potential as a big 6’9" guy with strength and serious athleticism. I agree that he’s been otherwise mostly underwhelming, but since this draft is so thin he gets mentioned near the top.

by nbrans on Jan 26, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Big men are hard to scout apparantly

About a year ago I remember Favors being called the next Dwight Howard. I haven’t watched him play but if he is underperforming his stock should go down a bit. Remember how DeAndrew Jordan was supposed to be top 5 pick. Same goes for B.J. Mullens.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 26, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I love how at this time of year

every draft looks weak except for that “one guy.” Of course that one guy almost always ends up being good, but it how funny how many other great players appear.

""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan

by SavageBeast on Jan 26, 2010 9:46 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Nice breakdown

Thanks, as always, for the efforts. I don’t watch much college ball (except when Durant was in school, holy hell that was fun), so it’s nice to get some insights so I can begin forming opinions on guys sight unseen.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jan 26, 2010 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

Say no to John Wall!

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 26, 2010 9:53 AM PST reply actions  

No point in drafting Wall unless you're trading Reke.

Simple as that.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 26, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

What?!

Either you’re joking or you’ve completely fucking lost it

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by vfettke on Jan 26, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I've lost it.

And I’m not joking.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 26, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with Pookey

Wall and Tyreke can’t share the ball, and they both need it to be effective. Tyreke can be effective at SG if he’s got the ball in his hands, alla Brandon Roy. But, along side a playmaking, penetrating PG who can shot, Tyreke would be relagated to a third option, and that would be a waste of talent. If we got Wall, we’d be better off keeping Martin, and trading Tyreke for a big that could team up with Wall, and who could defend.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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by HighTops on Jan 26, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Sadly, HT gets it.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 26, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

And by sadly

I mean no one else gets it.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 26, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

if we did somehow get the first pick in this years draft

I think I would actually have some fun for once in the trade discussions around here

by wallywagon11 on Jan 26, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I get it

I just have a problem believing that our 20 year old superstar can’t learn to play off the ball

That being said, IF we got the #1 pick I think Tyreke would be the best Sign and Trade option for Bosh that Toronto would get

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by vfettke on Jan 26, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you don't get it.

Because you’re trying to project what Tyreke can do that he doesn’t at the moment. You want to believe that Tyreke can do that because you’re seduced by the idea of Wall. That’s your choice, but I choose not to believe. Am I crazy? Yeah, but not because I’m not in the John Wall camp.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 26, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I do get it

and I understand that having both players probably won’t work. It doesn’t mean I can’t be overly optimistic about the highly unlikely prospect of landing Wall. The real question is, will Wall be better than Evans?

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by vfettke on Jan 26, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe not, but he's better now.

At least he’s a better shooter, has better lift and is quicker. And, he’s probably a better passer. Who will end up being the better ball player is up to history to decide.

But, if we had him, then the market would decide who’s the more valuable as far as who could be traded for the most talent.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy

by HighTops on Jan 26, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Why is it that we always have to choose?

I am mean we have to choose either KMart or Evans and now it is Wall or Evans. We got a serious talent deficiency here and having Wall would be a boost.

We have a back court rotation that kill and we can get it cheap which means we can get rid of the higher paid Beno and focus on spending our money on things like a Center.

I just don’t get it that it always has to be a we have to choose one or the other when we are so talent deficient.

by MustangMBS on Jan 26, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

There is a problem with having too much talent on the floor at once.

Especially if the talent is all the same. Too many defenders and not enough shooter, and visa versa. Plus if you need talent at multiple positions, your going to have to give up talent to get talent.

I personally prefer building a team around a high scoring SG and a high scoring high rebounding PF. Something like Roy & Bosh. The rest of the starters can be role players if you have a couple of stars to build around. And, 8 & 10 center, a Pg who distributes and can hit the 3, and a defensive SF that who can shoot effeciently out to 3pt range. Every position doesn’t have to have a star, but if you can only have 2, you don’t want them both to be outside shooters.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy

by HighTops on Jan 26, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's get the pick that would net Wall

then worry about it..

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Jan 26, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

You need stars

And players that allow them to be stars.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 26, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Blame Jerry Reynolds for the wisdom.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 26, 2010 6:40 PM PST up reply actions  

If I could get two all league players via position

not particular player:
Point guard and Center
next:
Power Forward and Center

I just think that the other positions are adequate enough in this league that with either of those two combos you could dominate. The only comparison out there now is Duncan/Parker. No dominate 5 and 4’s out there right now.

by betweentheeyes on Jan 27, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Dwight Howard and Rashard Lewis come reasonably close though.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Boozer/Okur

Rashard is a 3
Garnett/Perkins is closer, as is Bynum/Gasol or Z-Bo/other Gasol

by betweentheeyes on Jan 27, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

The Key is

Inside and outside IMO. The inside is fairly obvious what they bring, the outside player can be several positions – but they usually do a lot of the ball control when it matters. I don’t really remember a team since the Old Celtics who were of Championship caliber who relied on two ‘inside’ guys – and don’t think its possible under today’s rules.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2010 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Shard is a stretch 4 for the Magic.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

M. Gasol & P. Gasol may solve this problem.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

My point was the mentality of this thing

People get way too caught up in having to choose between one player of the other. It happens all the time and is ridiculous. The latest is Martin or Evans. Even if you have two talented PGs that isn’t a problem given rotation and such. You don’t have to play them at the same time.

We need depth and any time it looks like may get that there is immediately talk of have to choose and trade away somebody. IMO this whole mentality it flawed when you have a talent deficient team.

My issue is with the mentality of this thing.

by MustangMBS on Jan 26, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Trying to turn Tyreke into an off-the-ball player...

is like trying to turn LeBron into a jump shooter. Could they both develop the skills to fill that role? Sure. Is that the best use of their natural talents, build, and ability? Hell no.

by rsheldon7 on Jan 26, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

This is yet another issue.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 26, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly my thoughts on the whole John Wall deal

Everyone’s going crazy over the thought of drafting him, but the ball only can touch so many hands in a given game. Sure, I’d love to see both Evans/Martin/Wall all on the same team, but you wouldn’t be fully utilizing their talents by giving them limited possessions per game. It is a waste of talent.

My example… Just think of Steve Nash and Deron Williams on the same team. Sure, it would be nice to have them both, but they’d both be severely sharing their touches.

by CloudyEyes on Jan 26, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

obvious

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2010 7:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I disagree about this being obvious

After all, anyone agreeing with me does so at their own peril.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

on this talent poor team having too much talent is not a problem

there is too much need to worry about imbalance. And of course, great players always find a way to be great – with the ball, without the ball, defending, etc. Otherwise, what’s so great about them?

by betweentheeyes on Jan 27, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

If we end up with the #1

If we draft Wall, its probably because there’s another major trade that either took place or will take place.

If we don’t draft Wall, its probably because we likely traded the pick, and no longer have the #1.

Right now I am of the impression that Wall and Evans shouldn’t play on the same team.

by sactoreg on Jan 26, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

With the # 1

… you have to draft Wall and see how it works out with Evans. And if it doesn’t work, worry about it later.

If we jump the gun and trade either Evans or Wall without ever seeing them on the floor together, we will be wondering “what if…” to our deathbeds.

by henryclemente on Jan 26, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea, that's the way I'd go.

Perform the experiment before deciding its results. If/when it doesn’t work out, then you field the trade offers for Wall or Reke or KMart.

Not that any of this matters, as we ALL know we’re not getting John Wall.

Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!

by Shizzo on Jan 26, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

bah, given the Kings lottery luck:

 they would tie with 4 teams and move from 5th to 8th or some such thing and then get bumped two spaces back and pick at 10th.

How’s that for my hardly worn negative Nancy hat?

by betweentheeyes on Jan 27, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think it's quite that cut and dry

But I do agree with you about Reke and Wall probably not being a good pair. You still draft Wall, though, even if you plan to trade one of them. At this point, he’s more valuable than the next 2 guys in the draft combined.

by Charlieb on Jan 26, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

You got to take the best player in the draft

Reynolds always talks about how the kings passed up Karl Malone because they already had a PF. Even if it fails, you still have a great trading chip.

by king4life on Jan 26, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Regarding DeMarcus Cousins

I have watched a lot of UK ball this year, and I have to disagree with your assessment that Cousins is allergic to contact. He plays predominantly in the paint, with a back-to-the-basket style. I rarely see him take a set jumper. He regularly will try to back down his man and will go up against contact, sometimes against multiple defenders. The only problem is that he’s a bit of a “black hole” in the post — when he gets the ball down there, he’s going to go up and try to score…I don’t recall a time I’ve seen him pass out of the post.

His defense is good, although it could definitely be better — but considering he’s a freshman, his defense might be upgradeable to pretty-darn-good. Lets not forget he blocks about 2 shots a game, and only plays about 20 minutes. Speaking of which, he also pulls down about 10 boards a game in those same 20 minutes.

The real question is Cousins’ motivation and focus. In my estimation, if he possessed a great drive to improve, this might be a discussion about whether he or Wall should go #1. He scares me because if we drafted him and his motivation ended up at Eddy Curry-like levels, we’d end up with…well, Eddy Curry. Of course if a team drafts him and he finds his will to win, those who passed him up may live to regret it.

by sactoreg on Jan 26, 2010 9:54 AM PST reply actions  

He's ambitious but childish

If he gets put on a bad team, look for an attitude similar to the one that Terrence Williams is displaying this year for the Nets.

by bartenpa on Jan 26, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

He is a shorter Eddy Curry

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by Ice_9ine on Jan 26, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks nbrans

Good preview. Like SB I’ll wait until the conference season continues toughening these guys up and see what rises – and on into the tournement.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jan 26, 2010 10:01 AM PST reply actions  

Wasn't last year...

… also supposed to be a really thin draft? And it turned out pretty ok for us. Drafting is only partly luck. It’s more important to know what you are doing.

by henryclemente on Jan 26, 2010 10:14 AM PST reply actions  

I don;t think '09 was thin, perse...

…rather, it lacked SUPERSTAR power at the top. But the ‘09 draft looks to be pretty solid. Evans, Jennings, Griffin, Lawson, Casspi, Blair, Brockman, Jerebko, Harden, etc. I mean there’s some solid prospects from ’09.

by Smills91 on Jan 26, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

when did people start saying this was a thin draft

i swore a few month ago people were talking about how deep it was

by wallywagon11 on Jan 26, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

It's very early

But at this point I feel like it’s looking a bit like 2008’s draft, where there are lots of guys who can be very productive, but perhaps not so many stars at the top.

by nbrans on Jan 26, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't understand

I think there’s been only a few drafts ever that produced more than 1 or 2 All Star players. If you’re Lucky, its a good rotational player draft.

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by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2010 7:58 AM PST up reply actions  

2003 tends to cloud a lot of people's view.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2010 8:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Its what everyone remembers

It was an abberation.

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by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions  

It's cool guys.

I clicked the ESPN Mock Draft button until we won John Wall. So we’re good.

A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...

by Jaycee on Jan 26, 2010 10:20 AM PST reply actions  

if our odds are 1 out of 6, that isn't too bad

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by Ice_9ine on Jan 26, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Our odds were 1 in 4 last year

That means that its 3 in 4 we don’t get it.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 26, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

OMG

I got Wall for us on the first try!!

by DustyG on Jan 26, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

ditto.

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by Viliphied on Jan 26, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Patterson

Reminds me of a smaller Zach Randolph without the fat or insanity. Yes he’s a tweener ,and I’m not certain you can reasonably argue that an undersized big who can rebound evens out the 7 footer who seemingly can’t, but I do like him for Sacramento’s roster.

by rbiegler on Jan 26, 2010 10:22 AM PST reply actions  

Yes...

thought I’ve almost convinced myself that an undersized power forward who can hit threes and rebound would work better than Davis or Favors or Cousins despite this group’s clear deficiencies in athleticism and rebounding.

by rbiegler on Jan 26, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

If Patterson wasn't undersized

I’d love to have him. He runs the floor every time and immediately fights for position in the post. His defensive positioning is fantastic, and he recovers very well. He’s very efficient, and is able to produce without having a ton of plays run through him. And, maybe best of all, his attitude is great: team player who likes to play defense, who doesn’t have to be the alpha dog.

Heck, even though he’s “undersized” (6’7’’ or 6’8’’), I’m not sure that matters, as I dunno his wingspan (which some say is what truly matters)

by sactoreg on Jan 26, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Patterson and Udoh

Are the guys I like in the Kings range right now.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 26, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I am actually excited about Cole Aldrich call me dumb, but I think he would be great on the kings.

Hope

by Ultrakingsfan on Jan 26, 2010 10:45 AM PST reply actions  

He's a Center

Which usually means unspectacular solid numbers and lunchpail ethic. Okafor type work that doesn’t always show up in the boxscore.

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by lietothegirls on Jan 26, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I like his stats

that is why I brought them up.

Hope

by Ultrakingsfan on Jan 26, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw a Kansas game the other day, and really liked the way he played. Seemed like he went all out every time, like a taller, better shooting Brockman. Yes please.

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by Viliphied on Jan 26, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

He is the one guy I actually want in the draft. If he can end up like the comparison above as a Joel Pryzbilla then that is fantastic. It would bring two things we need with rebounding and interior strength. Put me on the Aldrich Train.

by DaPorts! on Jan 26, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

This would be a good draft to trade a protected 1st round pick

if it would get you want you wanted. If a protected 1st + Martin + whatever would get you Bosh, then what the hell. No that I’m trying to trade Martin, but Bosh is the one deal I’d do.

by Bitgod on Jan 26, 2010 11:16 AM PST reply actions  

Petrie...

… has done amazing things with draft picks. He should almost never trade them. And especially not for half a year of Bosh.

by henryclemente on Jan 26, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd assume

it’d be a sign and trade

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by Viliphied on Jan 26, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh...

… well in that case the pick would not need to be protected since we’d have picked already. Since free agency begins after the draft.

by henryclemente on Jan 26, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

First of all,

great read. Great, great read.

Last year’s draft was thought of as being thin. The consensus #1 pick from pre-season 2008 (BJ Mullens) sunk like a rock, Blake Griffin moved to the top of the class, and the draft class was described as thin and lacking star talent.

Evans, Jennings, Flynn, Curry, Casspi, Harden, Thornton, Lawson, Gibson, Hansbrough, Jerebko, Matthews, Budinger, DeRozan, Young, Blair, Ibaka, Brockman, Thabeet and Williams are all making positive contributions to their teams. That’s 20 guys. Two other guys (Griffin and Rubio) have yet to suit up. Early returns, but that looks like a pretty solid draft.

I think that this year’s class will be similar. There will be land mines, but there will also be opportunities. With Petrie being in the fold, I like our chances.

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by section214 on Jan 26, 2010 12:44 PM PST reply actions  

There ya go spouting in that "Petrie we trust" nonsense again.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 26, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

And every time he turns it over

He’s contributing to those teams to. In fact he doesn’t even consider them turnovers, just another assist.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 26, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Or at the very least

The assist to the assist to the assist.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 26, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Avery Bradley

Nobody even mentioned how good he is defensively! Love this guy, and he would definetly be three on my big board as well

by Doors Open on Jan 26, 2010 12:54 PM PST reply actions  

nbrans, I'm curious... what're your thoughts on Jarvis Varnado?

(considering the Kings might be able to grab a late 1st or early 2nd round pick?)

by sactoreg on Jan 26, 2010 1:07 PM PST reply actions  

I'd like to see him a few more times this season

I’ve just seen him once. But honestly I’m not a huge fan. I saw him play this season against Arkansas, and yeah, he had a triple double, but quite a few of his 10 blocks came as a result of Courtney Fortson being Courtney Fortson and just forcing up stupid layups. He is still mainly relying on his size and athleticism, and is still very raw offensively even though he’s a senior. I feel like that’s a problem since he’s not really that big (6’9", only 210, maybe 220) and so I don’t know how great of a post defender he’d be in the NBA.

He reminds me a lot of Justin Williams, good and bad, though Williams hustled a lot more.

by nbrans on Jan 26, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of justin williams

where is he these days? Couldn’t we use him? Not a dramatic help but I always liked him on our team.

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Jan 26, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of Courtney Fortson

When he’s not suspended, he plays pretty well.

by madmavmathews on Jan 26, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

As you can tell from the above I'm not really a fan

He’s got all the talent in the world, but he just doesn’t have a brain.

by nbrans on Jan 26, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

We should grab him

Just to see what JR can do with that name

by batso on Jan 26, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

By the way nbrans

I LOVE how you don’t have Motiejunas in your top 21. Guy is going to flame out in this league in my opinion.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 26, 2010 1:56 PM PST reply actions  

the only reason he didn't include the guy

is because he doesn’t want Petrie to see there is a foreigner in the draft.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 26, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

No furraners in this list, sonny!

Haven’t seen the Euros play, didn’t seem fair.

by nbrans on Jan 26, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

You're not missing anything.

I guess I’ll cover the foreigners again this year like I did last year. I was really glad we got Casspi, but even he surprised me with his shooting.

Now if there was a foreigner the Kings might pick this year, I haven’t found one I like yet. Neither of the two bigs (Motiejunas or Vesely) entice me and there really aren’t too many first round Foreign Prospects this year.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 26, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't watch much college ball

But I saw Favors play a few weeks ago. He’d be my pick.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 26, 2010 2:59 PM PST reply actions  

He's my pick at #2

At 1 I’d have some doubts on who to pick. My eyes would tell me wall and my brain tells me that he and Tyreke are different versions of the same player and that Favors would help more long term.

Frankly getting the #1 pick would be awesome simply because Geoff Petrie would get to pick whoever he wanted without having to worry about anything.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 26, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Or he could trade the pick to a team that really wanted Wall.

That’s really the ideal scenario.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 26, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

That is a very very good question

And I wonder if New Jersey would do it.

Perhaps Spencer and Wall for Lopez and their pick.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 26, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you could assume that if the Nets got Wall

They’d look to trade Harris.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 26, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Lopez has a lot of value

I’m not sure NJ would want to trade for Wall anyway. I think they’d rather take Favors, and try and lure LeBron.

Devin Harris, Courtney Lee, Terrence Williams, Derrick Favors, Brook Lopez, Yi Jianlian and LeBron James?

Forget about it.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 26, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

That would be my first thought if we actually get the number 1

I’d still like to get a pick though so I would try what Aykis is suggesting

The future begins now...

by edm7 on Jan 26, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Unless there is someone that Petrie just absolutely loves in the draft

Then I’d want him to draft that person. The man has an eye for talent.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 26, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

The ideal scenario

Is to get the number one pick and draft John wall! There is not a GM in the league regardless of their back court that wouldn’t draft Wall

by Doors Open on Jan 27, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks nbrans

This is some very good commentary. I will make sure to look closely at every player you have listed if I haven’t already.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Jan 26, 2010 5:03 PM PST reply actions  

Nice work, nbrans

Your first NBA Draft assessment last season remains one of the best posts I’ve ever read on this site. It was tremendously insightful. The second one was excellent too, more informational and somewhat less incisive than the first, but still very good.

I really know next to nothing about college hoops, but I will say this about your articles: They are ten times more informative than the boilerplate crap you see on ESPN and elsewhere. Those assessments always make it sound like 90% of the draft class is can’t-miss. So you know they’re bogus; just look at history.

I can’t comment on your current set of prognostications, but I have a few observations about your past ones. First, it is WAY too early to tell about Jeff Teague. But it should certainly be noted that he is on a top-four seed team with a lot of veteran depth. The fact that he is not getting major minutes is not terribly informative at this point. I have heard the Hawks say very positive things about him, and I remain intrigued.

Second, for all of the Thabeet haters out there (and there seem to be many), he is halfway into his rookie season and he is leading the NBA in blocked shots per 48 minutes by a HUGE margin. Admittedly, he is also second in the league in fouls per 48 minutes, but you have to figure that that is going to improve with time and experience. He is also a respectable 20th in rebounds per 48 minutes. I believe your quote was: “But guys: 7’3”. Hops. Hands. Shotblocking. Rebounding. Count me as a fan." He is unquestioningly living up to that billing.

Prognostication is a very tough business, and almost everyone is mostly wrong most of the time when they try it. So it is easy to criticize one’s efforts. But I can’t think of any part of either article where you just plain whiffed, and there are many parts that look absolutely spot on. My compliments to the chef.

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by My Losing Season on Jan 26, 2010 11:00 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks MLS!

Appreciate the vote of confidence.

by nbrans on Jan 26, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm going back and re-reading

You have this to say about Curry: “This guy is destined to play for Mike D’Antoni or Don Nelson.”

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by Aykis16 on Jan 27, 2010 12:33 AM PST up reply actions  

He’s a pretty good 11th in blocks per foul

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by Viliphied on Jan 27, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

The second sure thing is...

do not draft Alabi….

Nice list of the usual suspects, but I’m throwing two more names in there and hoping they enter early:
Mouphtaou Yarou at Villanova
Arnett Moultrie at UTEP
I’ll go out on the limb and say that I’d take Yarou first, then Moultrie, before any of the guys on the above list, with exception to Wall, of course.

by getPGwithbounce on Jan 27, 2010 12:08 AM PST reply actions  

"[Kings]are in the talent acquisition business..." sorta quoting David Aldridge post '09 draft

There are people willing to watch a Evans/Martin experiment, but not a
Evans/Wall experiment….really?

by getPGwithbounce on Jan 27, 2010 12:18 AM PST reply actions  

It's because Evans and Martin complement each other perfectly

Unfortunately, the real Kevin Martin still hasn’t shown up and its only been the proxy Kevitron thats been in his place.

As for Wall, can we argue about that if we get the #1 pick? Which is NOT likely?

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by Aykis16 on Jan 27, 2010 12:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, really

The future begins now...

by edm7 on Jan 27, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

How many times must we go over this

Tyreke – Slasher, needs the ball, gets to the line
Kevin – Shooter, can play off the ball, gets to the line.

If Kevin could handle the ball well, it would be an amazing combo (Curry and Evans would be a rather ridiculous backcourt in my opinion).

Kevin hasn’t been hitting his shots though. He hasn’t suddenly forgotten how to shoot the ball, he just needs to get back into his rhythm.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 27, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Me and you define perfectly a lot different

When I picture perfect…
Jordan & Pippen
Magic & Kareem
when you picture perfect…
Evans & Martin
Lol and I thought I was a homer. Just because on paper it appears two players really complement each other doesn’t = perfection .

by Doors Open on Jan 28, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I see

Most players that I can think of who complement each other on paper complement each other , in one way or another, on te court as well. I was arguing about the fact that some feel the K-Mart and Tyreke tandem is perfection. It doesn’t take a genius to see that it’s certainly not perfect and up to this point, very unsucessful. Could they be perfect? Maybe, but it’s a little to earlier to be classifying them with the likes of the truly perfect tandems.

by Doors Open on Jan 29, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

you focused too much on that word

So instead I ask you to focus on your own words:

Maybe, but it’s a little to earlier sic to be classifying them with the likes of the truly perfect tandems.

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by iashwash on Jan 29, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I wasn't actually criticizing the grammar

I was just using your own point against you: if it’s too early to say they’re perfect, it’s too early to say they’re not perfect.

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by iashwash on Jan 29, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, that's a nice draft post! And it's still January!

Really good job, nbrans! I try to follow this stuff and you’ve educated me a bout a couple of guys who I knew basically nada about.

I also agree that while there’s plenty of interesting prospects at the 3 and 4, it’s not looking very likely there will be a game-changer type big man available for the Kings, at least not if they draft right about where they are now.

I’ve mentioned Alabi and Udoh in comments on a different post, and while they have some upside it’s hard to see them breaking out of the gate real fast. I’m starting to track Gani Lawai more closely. He might be the closest thing to a draft-able 4 with all the physical skills we’re looking for that might be on the board when it’s our turn.

As for John Wall. Yeah, he’s a freek, but we definitely don’t wanna get our hopes up on him. That would take some seriously weird ping pong ball bounces!

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by Mucho Moss on Jan 27, 2010 12:58 AM PST reply actions  

Check out the Marshall v Memphis game tonight

Take a look at that Hassan Whitehead kid on Marshall. 5.4 blocks a game or something and a real finisher around the basket (against limited comp so far).

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2010 9:45 AM PST reply actions  

Hassan 'Whiteside' ooops

6’11" but skinny

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by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2010 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

draftExpress lists him at 7 feet

They list him 10th in NCAA Def. Reb. % among centers at 23.6%. (Right behind Cole Aldrich, Charles Garcia, and Larry Sanders. Interestingly, Greg Monroe leads the NCAA in Def. Reb. % at an incredible 30.5%)

He is 9th in total Reb% among centers at 24.2% (Cole Aldrich is at 8th with 24.5%)

Among freshmen centers he is tops in defensive rebounding, followed by Cousins at 21.2% and Favors at 20.6%.

He also leads those 2 as the best overall rebounder among freshmen centers.

Now, to me, this is awesome. He is right up there and potentially a better rebounder than some of the most talented big men in his class. However, the reality is that Cousins has to share opportunities with Patterson and Favors with Lawal. But if those guys are off the board, it is worth considering Hassan, I think.

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by Ice_9ine on Jan 28, 2010 6:27 PM PST up reply actions  

On CBSC channel 613 on DTV 5pm

which is part of the basic/expanded cable package. Lots of college ball in the 600’s, Big Ten (BTN) etc..

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by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Intriguing

I didn’t watch the whole thing yet as I watched the State of The Union. Great defensively inside as a shot blocker and willing post defender, Only OK inside post game as he’s pretty skinny (but he tries) and a nice 14 foot jumper. Pretty skinny at this point which may be a problem or may be Bosh-like.
Nice numbers:
Here

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by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd be suprised if he wasn't one and done if this keeps up

He looked lottery to me tonight. Really nice jumper out to 18 ft or so. Ran the pick and pop very well on offense and was 9-12. Tried inside and demonstarted good footwork but the Memphis defender looked like about a 270 pd beast so he usually dragged him out where he was helpless.
Leading the country in blocks by a wide margin and its obvious why, really fast well timed jump on the blocks and very quick hands high or low.

Don’t let the FTs (58%) fool you, apparently 26-33 since new years with a really nice looking stroke.

So I’d say, good feet, good hands, nice shot, Veeeery skinny.

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by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2010 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Now, against Memphis, not much chance of foul trouble

as they’re really jumpshooters and their big guys looked like just defenders really.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2010 11:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry I'm going on and on

He was very impressive in this game and I gather he’s already had two triple doubles. He made a nice hook shot, a few post up baskets, a few put-backs and a number of jumpers out to about 18 feet I’d guess. 7 f-ing blocks and 9 rebounds as you saw.

Very impressive depending on what you think of Memphis this year.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2010 12:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Physically similar

I don’t know that randolph ever put up the kind of defensive numbers, in this case blocked shots that this kid does. Did randolph put up triple doubles? He also has a nice quick release on his catch and shoot. Now, on offense he’s mostly a pick and pop guy so thats similar I guess. He’s apparently a freshman but 20 years old, and I don’t know why that is exactly.
Anyway, worth keeping an eye on. Hopefully they have more tough competition coming up.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll have to keep an eye on him

DraftExpress has him going #9 in 2011 but mention recent reports that he could be one-and-done.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 27, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Since it is damn near possible to get Wall

i would really like to get Favors but faith is looking to direct us to aldrich

by NorCalBRD on Jan 27, 2010 2:57 PM PST reply actions  

I'm warming up to Aldrich

11 points on 56% shooting, 10 boards and 3.6 blocks in 26 minutes a game? Thabeet-like college numbers. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go top 5.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 27, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Running the floor

I love his stats dont get me wrong just the last time i watched him play he just seem winded very easily

by NorCalBRD on Jan 29, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

nbrans, I postponed reading this post because I wanted to savor it and it is long enough

that I wanted to give my lips a rest so I could read the whole thing without cramping.

Wonderful as always, but a post in January commits you to a follow up in March.

I am surprised that ND’s Harangody and Duke’s Singler are absent, maybe they are this draft’s version of Hansbrough. And in another comparison: what do you think of PIttman as this years’ DeJuan Blair? He may have Tractor Traylor/Oliver Miller weight issues but he is a load.

Section already pre-empted the other similiarity to last season’s draft: Griffin was the all out #1 with decent PG depth. This season has an all out #1 PG with big man depth. The Kings are going to get a decently high pick so they will roll the dice on something and given this years’ success Geoof Petrie has a very difficult / almost impossible mission to duplicate on his hands.

Thanks for the post and remember, March means (more) nbrans Madness!

by betweentheeyes on Jan 27, 2010 10:01 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks, BTE!

I think Harangody and Singler are second rounders.

Harangody is just not very big and not that athletic. He’s extremely creative at getting his shot off, but I just don’t think he’s going to be able to do anything else in the NBA besides come in and jack up shots. And even then, I think he’d have a better chance if he could shoot more effectively from outside. He could be a pestering hustle guy off the bench, but I think there are too many question marks to take him in the first round.

Singler I’m not really a fan of. He’s very tough and he doesn’t shy away from contact, but he’s not really very talented offensively and is not much of a shooter. I don’t see any skill that’s going to translate to the NBA.

I need to see more of the new Pittman to have an opinion – I’m shocked at how much weight he lost, but at the same time, being so huge used to be one of his strengths. Now he’s relatively svelte, but still not that great of an athlete. He’s a good finisher and has good hands, but I suspect we haven’t seen the last of his weight problems. My opinion is still evolving though.

by nbrans on Jan 28, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

nbrans, have you seen any of Trevor Booker

…out of Clemson? He’s another in the mold of undersized, athletic PFs.

by sactoreg on Jan 28, 2010 11:57 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah, he was on the fringe of this list

I love the way he plays (relentless), but I just don’t think he’s a serious NBA prospect. He’s seriously undersized for an NBA PF (6’6" or 6’7") and he doesn’t really have a SF game. People sometimes compare him to Jason Maxiell, but Maxiell is a total freak of nature with how athletic he is relative to his huge size and strength, and even he has struggled to find a consistent role. Booker is strong, but I don’t think he’s strong enough or skilled enough to overcome his lack of size, particularly since he’s a senior. Fun to watch though.

by nbrans on Jan 28, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Soloman and Cousins

What about these 2 even tho i think JT may have the potential of being better then cousins and Soloman besides him being TALL i haven really heard anything about him is he any good?

by NorCalBRD on Jan 29, 2010 1:57 PM PST reply actions  

No to both of these

Cousins is bigger Antoine Walker…
Soloman is smaller Manute Bol…

by getPGwithbounce on Jan 30, 2010 1:09 AM PST up reply actions  

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