The Not-so-Asinine Trade Post
With the trade deadline coming up in less than a month (February 19th to be exact), I thought it would be prudent to discuss what possibilities could exist. But I realized that I couldn't possibly know what each team needed as I only truly follow the Kings closely, and although I have a solid grasp on quite a few teams needs, nobody knows their team better than the passionate fans that follow them.
So I contacted Blogger Fans from around the Interwebs (mostly SBN, the TrueHoop Network, and the Fansided Network) in order to get a little bit of information about their team (the amount of information I gleaned varied from person to person, so I'll have more on some teams than others), and for a little bit of outsider perspective from them (asking them what players from the Kings they would want on their team, besides Tyreke of course, who is perhaps the only truly untouchable asset). We as Kings fans tend to not have a totally realistic value of our players, or at least attribute a different value to our players than fans of other teams. So I hope you enjoy the read, and hopefully learn a lot. Thank you to all those who took the time to respond to my e-mails/fanposts.
Note: Clicking on each teams logo will link to their salary cap information from shamsports.com. It opens in a new window.

Atlantic Division:
Source: Roy Hobbs, Editor for Celtics Blog
- Team Needs: "Our biggest needs are backup PG and backup SF, and overall we could use younger / more athletic players (who have some fundamental skills)."
- Who Would You Want: "You guys have a few that are interesting. Kevin Martin, Jason Thompson, and Spencer Hawes have to be pretty desirable to most teams out there."
- My Analysis: Boston is built to compete for a title for the next 2-3 years, and thats why a player like Nocioni could be very valuable to them. Of all the teams that might have an interest in Noc, Boston has always been one that makes the most sense. They have the expirings and the need. They're also in a little bit of a slump and might think they can use the help.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: I know Boston would love to trade Ray Allen to us for Martin and Kenny Thomas, but the Kings wouldn't do that. More likely, and very possible, is the Kings trading Nocioni for Scalabrine and House/T. Allen. I'm pretty sure that at this point, the Kings will take any expirings for Noc and if Boston calls, the deal will be done. But other than a Noc deal, nothing else makes much sense. The C's could want Sergio, but other teams could offer better deals for Sergio. Not many teams would want to take on Nocioni.
Source: NetsDaily, Manager of Nets Daily
- Team Needs: "The Nets need defense, rebounding, and shooting. (That's a lot, but hey, they're 3-38 [3-40 as of this reading]) And the forward spots are their biggest weaknesses."
- Who Would You Want: "Casspi and Thompson, for the reasons above, and because they're young and cheap."
- My Analysis: It's really difficult to be a Nets fan now, but the Nets have the chance to be rather insanely good in the near future. They have some very good young pieces (Brook Lopez and Devin Harris are All-Star Talents) and some other good young guys with promise (CDR, Courtney Lee, Yi, Terrence Williams), a top 4 pick in the draft and the best chance to win the John Wall sweepstakes (it's pretty much guaranteed they're going to finish last), and a ton of cap space next year with a new billionaire owner. Of the players on the Nets, the only one I'm remotely interested in is Brook, and if the Nets know what's good for them, they won't trade him for anyone. Dominant centers are the hardest thing to get, and they have one.
- Likelihood of a Trade between us: I'll let NetsDaily take it from here: "I don't find it very likely that these teams would make a deal, because they're both in the same position: trying to put together a talented, young core. Neither team really has much redundancy at this point either."
Source: Seth, Manager of Posting and Toasting
- Team Needs: "The Knicks desperately need a pure point guard. Chris Duhon is billed as such, but has only occasionally shown the attacking ability and court vision necessary to quarterback the D'Antoni offense. Nate Robinson, too, has had trouble managing the ball and setting up the offense. The team's ball movement as a whole struggles when those two don't have it going."
- Who Would You Want: "The two most desirable Kings would have to be Kevin Martin (just because any team would benefit from such a talented scorer. I think he'd flourish under D'Antoni.) and Sergio Rodriguez, because he's got solid point guard skills and a manageable contract."
- My Analysis: The Knicks are not looking to add any salary. And they need a point guard. Sergio Rodriguez would be absolutely perfect for them in both ways. But is there anyone we would want? David Lee is someone I've always been interested in, but the Knicks are likely not giving him up. They also probably aren't going to give up someone like Jordan Hill for Sergio unless we take Jeffries or Curry, both contracts which I want the Kings to stay away from. I really like Marcus Landry and Wilson Chandler, but the last thing the Kings need is another wing. Darko could work here, but he's reportedly leaving the NBA no matter what next year. After that, there is the possibility of Nate Robinson, who the Kings have admittedly shown interest in before (I don't really like him), and the person I do like, Toney Douglas.
- Likelihood of a Trade between us: I don't see the Kings wanting to take on either of Jeffries or Curry's contracts, so unless they're willing to simply offer a trade of expiring contracts, something like Seth thought of, Darko and Nate for Sergio and K-9, I don't see it happening. There really aren't that many guys on the Knicks the Kings could be interested in.
Source: J. Sams, Co-Manager of Liberty Ballers
- Team Needs: "We need shooters, a go-to scorer at the end of games, and a center to anchor the defense in the future."
- Who Would You Want: "Omri Casspi and Jon Brockman (or any expiring contracts). Casspi because he's a classic glue guy every contender needs and a good shooter who's better than Jason Kapono on defense. Brockman for some of the same reasons."
- My Analysis: Philadelphia would love to shed some salary, and there isn't anybody out there who is touching Elton Brand's contract, so that leaves Iguodala and Dalembert as big contracts Philly might try to move. I like Iggy, but I think his game wouldn't mesh very well with Tyreke's, mainly because they're both slashers and not very good perimeter shooters. Dalembert has been playing very well as of late, averaging the 2nd most rebounds and blocks of his career while adding 8 points on 53% shooting. Another thing about Sam, he hasn't missed a game since 2006 and has 4 seasons of 82 games played. I actually would not mind Sammy D on the Kings right now. I don't consider us players in the 2010 market anyway.
- Likelihood of a Trade Between us: I think that Dalembert will definitely re-surface in rumors before the deadline, and Sacramento will once again be linked. He fits a need (Great shot blocker, Great Defensive Rebounder), and will be an expiring next year. Dalembert for K-9 and Armstrong works, and it saves the Sixers almost $13 million next year, in a draft that they can likely find a quality big man. I would not be surprised to see Dalembert come to Sacramento at or near the deadline.
Source: Vicious D, Writer for Raptors HQ
- Team Needs: "Depends on who you ask. If it's about this actual team that we have, we need a real Small Forward who will attack the interior more than once in a blue moon. A guy that will at least give you rebounding if they aren't making shots. Sad thing right now is that we lost two of the better options available in Carlos Delfino as well as in Shawn Marion. Hedo Turkoglu, while you can argue about his many talents, is not one of those physical presences despite his size. With Bargnani shooting from the outside most nights, although he does have some ability to rebound or at least block out, the Raptors need someone else besides Chris Bosh to actually grab them. Unfortunately, Turkoglu isn't that guy."
- Who Would You Want: "I think most people would automatically go with Garcia and Martin if they were looking at pure fantasy stats. However, if I were to look at this team, I would like Martin along with a guy like Spencer Hawes. I think a guy like Spencer Hawes is intriguing at his salary and would help the Raptors as far as an additional interior presences is concerned."
- Who Would You Want for Chris Bosh?: Because Bosh is perhaps the most coveted non-King for us StR types, I decided to give Vicious a special bonus question which he took the time to answer for me. "Youth and draft picks. If the Raptors were to let their franchise player go, it would mean that the Raptors would need some youthful talent come back to give us some hope. The Raptors would definitely need Spencer Hawes or another center in return, would need a multitude of draft picks so that they can draft some new talent, and would probably want to bring in some of the Kings' expiring contracts so they could hunt down an additional piece or two in the summer. I'm sure the Raptors fan base would take the news hard, but the rebuild process would be quicker with those pieces. " So it looks like they'd probably want Spencer or Jason, our unprotected draft pick in 2010, and expirings. I think he makes a good point in asking for Expirings instead of Martin. The Raptors just spent a lotto pick on someone they think could be their shooting guard for years, and Martin doesn't really fit a need while his salary would eat up at their space for quite a few years. Perhaps they'd want to include a Martin for Calderon deal in any Bosh swap and I think that would be fair.
- My Analysis: There is only one Raptor I covet, and I think we all covet him: Chris Bosh. Unfortunately for the Kings, I doubt he will be made available at the trade deadline for reasons I will make clear below. Other than Bosh, I really don't like the Calderon for Martin rumors for the Kings, but Amir Johnson is someone I think we could use. He's basically Tyrus Thomas-lite. I'm sure the Raptors would love to unload Hedo, but there isn't any way the Kings are taking on that massive contract for a declining player.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: Slim. The Raptors have little incentive to trade Bosh or Johnson to the Kings. Johnson merely because he's an expiring and a useful bench player, and Bosh because they would be absolutely stupid to trade him at the deadline. They can offer more money and more years than any other team in the league for him. If he really wants to leave, he would have to give up at least 20 million dollars, something no player has done. Unless someone offers the Raptors a deal that is too good to pass up, I see Bosh staying in Toronto, at least until the offseason. If he were made available, the Kings would likely be one of the teams trying to go after him, and I'm sure Petrie has at least sent feelers. But is Bosh worth getting rid of at least 2 quality players and a likely top 10 draft pick in a big heavy draft? I think you have to say yes, merely because he's already proven his worth. But I think the Kings might choose to go the cheap route and try to get their big of the future via the draft. Lucking out in the lottery would be a huge help, but obviously not something you should count on.
Central Division:
Source: Stormin' Norman Disciple of Pippen Aint Easy and Not Qualified to Comment
- Team Needs: "As has been much publicized, the Bulls biggest obvious need is a scoring big man since they are so reliant on the mid-range jumper. The other need that I have spoken about constantly on NQTC is a big guard that can shoot the 3. No one can score from 3-point land on the Bulls right now (and don't say Salmons, he's not the same Salmons as last year)."
- Who Would You Want: "Kevin Martin and Andres Nocioni. I know Noce isn't hitting 3s as much this season, but even his bad % would be great for the Bulls."
- My Analysis: The Bulls have one guy I am very interested in: Tyrus Thomas. Thomas is a very athletic, young PF, with great shotblocking ability and decent rebounding. He hasn't yet played with any consistency, but Chicago has been very down on him, and are reportedly willing to shop him. Perhaps Noce and Beno could be given for Tyrus and Kirk, but Kirk's salary is quite ridiculous for someone who really isn't that good. The Kings could definitely use Noah, but he's probably untouchable.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: It's possible, especially if the rumors of the Bulls still liking Nocioni are true. The thing about a trade with Chicago though is that someone is going to have to take on a bad contract. Chicago doesn't want to ruin too much of its cap space for next year. I think the Kings will definitely take a long look at Tyrus and see if trying to make a deal for him is worth it. Other than Tyrus though, there's nobody that the Bulls might be willing to deal that the Kings might want.
Source: John Bena, Manager of Fear the Sword
- Team Needs: " If the Cavaliers have needs it seems they change on a day-to-day basis. A week ago I would have said the Cavaliers need a PF that could score and stretch defenses out of the lane to give LeBron more room to do what he does attacking the basket. Then Mo Williams and Delonte West got hurt. That leaves the back-court of the Cavaliers incredibly weak. The Cavs are now 3-0 without Williams, 2-0 without West, including wins over the Lakers, Thunder and Heat. The Cavs look like they are going to try and get through it, but fans should suspect down-to-the-wire games like we saw against the Heat until the Cavs get healthier."
- Who Would You Want: "Right now, only one player peaks my interest - Kevin Martin. Martin would supply the Cavaliers another scoring threat, something they can never have enough of. Bringing in Martin would take further pressure off LeBron and would allow James to work more from the post where he is really unstoppable, if he really focused on staying down there."
- My Analysis: The Cavaliers are only going to focus on trades that will help them win a championship, and perhaps not even then, as they're currently on pace to finish with the best record in the league again. But whatever trade they do would have to be a talent upgrade for them. They would love to have Kevin Martin, but there isn't anyone on the Cavs roster other than James that is better than Martin. They could perhaps be interested in Nocioni as a stretch 4, but I doubt it. Too much long-term salary for someone who isn't nearly as good of an option as Troy Murphy or Antawn Jamison. Now there are a couple of people I like on the Cavs: JJ Hickson, and Leon Powe. The thing about a Hickson is he's a good scorer, but lacks enough defending and rebounding, and Powe is coming back from another huge injury and won't be available to play till February.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: Very, very unlikely. The Cavs might be willing to throw a Powe or Jawad Williams for Sergio, but I don't see why the Kings would do it when there would likely be other better options. Kevin Martin would be perfect on Cleveland next to James, but the Cavs would definitely need other teams to be involved since they have nobody the Kings would want for Martin. The Cavs are focused on a Championship now so they can convince LeBron to stay. Martin is pretty much the only player on the roster that would help them do that, and he's not going to Cleveland.
Source: Brian Packey, Co-Manager of Detroit Bad Boys
- Team Needs: "Some Pistons fans think the team needs a true point guard because Rodney Stuckey is not the guy, but I think that's still up in the air. What this team really needs, and I think all Pistons fans can agree on this, is a big man that can score and match up with the other bigs, like KG and Dwight Howard. Charlie Villanueva, somewhat surprisingly, is very efficient in the post, but he's a stretch forward like Rasheed Wallace was. Ben Wallace can defend with the best of them, but he's not a scorer and he won't be around much longer."
- Who Would You Want: "You sure we can't have Evans? First guy that gets my attention is Spencer Hawes. He's young, he can score (from all over, too), and maybe most important, he's a seven footer. He kind of reminds me of Mehmet Okur, who coincidentally the Pistons had when they won the 'ship in 2004. Other than Evans and Hawes, I'd love to have Kevin Martin (who I had the pleasure of seeing play all the way back when he was at Western Carolina), but that's just not feasible considering the Pistons have more than enough guards as is. Casspi is another guy that has brought up on our site as a guy the Pistons maybe shouldn't have passed on in the first round. Despite the numbers being in favor of Casspi, I don't know if I would make the trade-off."
- My Analysis: The Pistons probably want to get rid of at least one, if not both, of the combo of Rip Hamilton/Tayshaun Prince. Both those guys are eating up a lot of cap space, play the same position as new member Ben Gordon, and are on the downswing of the careers. I also don't want the Kings anywhere near those guys. Maxiell looks like he could be what we need on paper, but honestly he's not a starter quality player and yet he makes $5 million a year for 3 more years. The only guy I could see the Kings trying to make a move for in my opinion? Kwame Brown. Yes, he's a bust, but right now he's a cheap center who is a good defensive rebounder and decent interior defender.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: Not good. If the Kings did want to acquire Brown, all it would take would be Hilton Armstrong, thanks to the 125% rule and it would save the Pistons a little bit of money, which could be something they're looking for, since reports are that the team is for sale. Other than that though, I don't see the Kings wanting any of the Pistons big contracts, and I don't see the Pistons willing to give up any of their young, cheap guys.
Source: Tom Lewis, Manager of Indy Cornrows
- Team Needs: "Need assets in the form of young talent, expiring money for cap space or draft picks. The Pacers have big contracts in Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy, Jeff Foster, T.J. Ford and Jamaal Tinsley that all come off the books after the 2010-11 season so all of those players are available (not Tinsley obviously, but the rest) for the right deal."
- Who Would You Want: "Two Kings I'd like to see the Pacers acquire and why: 1. Kenny Thomas for his $8.7 millions expiring contract 2. Kevin Martin - Danny Granger needs another consitent scoring option to run alongside and the Pacers have done well in the past with shooting guards with a strange release. Also, Martin always seems to light it up at Conseco Fieldhouse so why not try it for 41 games."
- My Analysis: Danny Granger is possibly my favorite player in the league who hasn't donned a Kings jersey. I would love a Martin for Granger swap, but Larry Bird would hang up the phone almost immediately. Troy Murphy would actually be a big help for the Kings, since he can hit his shots and is an absolutely phenomenal defensive rebounder, and not a bad defender either, although he doesn't block shots. K-9 for Murphy would work, but the Cavs could and probably would outbid us. We all know how underrated a rebounder Jeff Foster is as well, and I wouldn't mind seeing him in a Kings Uni if we could unload Noc for him, but the Pacers aren't looking to add money. I don't want to be anywhere near Dunleavy or Ford, both players who don't really deserve their contracts. Tom thinks that Ford could work well next to Evans, but I'd rather have Kevin Martin any day of the week. Hibbert and Hansbrough are nice young pieces, but the Kings could have had Hibbert if they wanted and stuck with JT instead. Hibbert is also probably considered untouchable by Bird unless something blows him over.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: I definitely see Troy Murphy moving at the deadline, and I think the Kings could definitely be interested. He doesn't really help our Interior D, but he's a better interior defender than JT or Spencer, and one of the best defensive rebounders in the league, which would help us tremendously. The Kings could probably offer something more palatable to the Pacers than the Cavs as well, since K-9's expiring would be less money than Murphy's contract and the only expiring the Cavs have is Z, who is at $11.5 million. The Pacers would shave some long term money dealing Murphy for Z, but they would lose some short term, while they would gain some short term money by dealing for K-9. The Kings could also probably sweeten the deal with Sergio for Earl Watson or something. Foster could be another player the Kings go after.
Source: Frank Madden, Manager of Brew Hoop
- Team Needs: "I'd say our major needs are a wing scorer (esp. with Redd done) and an athletic 4/5 (someone who can block shots, rebound, maybe hit an open 15-footer)... What they need more than anything is to hit another home run in the draft, but their decent start to this season may end up being a bit of a curse in the long run given where they'll probably end up drafting. This draft has a ton of quality PFs, but I'm guessing the Bucks won't be bad enough to get a guy like Favors or Ed Davis."
- Who Would You Want: "Looking at the Kings roster, obviously a healthy Kevin Martin would look great on any roster but I really don't know if the Bucks would add another big contract while Redd is still on the books. I'm a fan of Jason Thompson, but I don't see an obvious deal that makes sense for both teams...I assume you guys would need to be bowled over. Among role players, Garcia would be interesting if he was healthy, but his contract and health status probably make that a non-starter."
- My Analysis: The Bucks are in a bad spot with Redd's second MCL injury. His contract is huge and its blocking them from being anything other than MLE players next year. Of their other contracts, only Dan Gadzuric's could be considered bad. I like Ersan Ilyasova a lot (I think he's the Turkish Lamar Odom), but I don't see a trade that could work out there, and Omri Casspi does a lot of what he does. Mbah ah Moute is nice, but Donté does a lot of what he does now, and with better scoring.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: Slim to none. I guess the Kings could swap Nocioni for Gadzuric's somewhat shorter contract, but Gadzuric, although a decent shotblocker and rebounder, is not that good of a player. Frank takes it from here: "Overall, I wouldn't be disappointed if the Bucks simply stand pat, clear their expirings, draft well and see if they can get a guy like Childress with an MLE deal this summer. At this point I don't see them making a trade that significantly upgrades the roster, but they do have some usable young pieces and expiring deals."
Southeast Division:
Source: hawksdawgs, Manager of Peach Tree Hoops (If you don't like that blog name, you don't like NBA blogs. OH BOY!)
- Team Needs: "Better perimeter defense and an ability and willingness to take advantage of offensive mismatches with real offensive sets (essentially a better coach)"
- Who Would You Want: Hawksdawgs likes Omri Casspi and Jason Thompson, "because they fulfill needs at a very reasonable price and have upside."
- My Analysis: The Hawks roster is quite badass. I want quite a few of them: (Josh Smith, Al Horford, Jeff Teague, Marvin Williams), but unfortunately for our purposes, those are guys that the Hawks probably aren't looking to trade anytime soon, especially not for guys the Kings have. Pachulia is someone the Kings might want to take a look at, but I think his contract is too long. Perhaps Cisco for Pachulia? Pachulia isn't a great rebounder or defender though, although he's a decent scorer and still relatively young (25).
- Likelihood of a trade between us: No trade will happen between the Hawks and the Kings. Salaries don't match and talent doesn't match. The Hawks are probably set to see what kind of damage they can do with this roster, which on paper is quite tough.
Source: David Arnott, Manager of Rufus on Fire
- Team Needs: "We need a real power forward to either supplant or back up Boris Diaw, and we need an all around upgrade at center. Right now, at center, we're best with Diaw, because recently he's been rebounding and doing big man things. But without him, we've only got one-dimensional guys like Tyson Chandler, Nazr Mohammed, and DeSagana Diop. Derrick Brown is an intriguing power forward rookie, but he's a 3/4 tweener, and bigger guys will overmatch him."
- Who Would You Want: "Larry Brown wouldn't like it, but I'd love to see Kevin Martin play the two for the Bobcats with Stephen Jackson at the three, Gerald Wallace at the nominal four, and Boris Diaw at the five. Think of the sheer athleticism and matchup problems! Also, are you ready to take on Tyson Chandler's contract to make that happen? I'd also make Jason Thompson our starting center, but, again, I don't know if there's a trade there."
- My Analysis: I remember the 2008 draft in which I was hoping the Kings would draft DJ Augustin. I'm glad he wasn't available or it might have happened. The Bobcats really have an abundance of Centers in Nazr Mohammed, Tyson Chandler, Desagna Diop, and Alexis Ajinca. Ajinca is young, but what limited stats we have of him show that he's a horrible rebounder even though he's an ok shotblocker. Now what about Tyson Chandler? His contract is only for one more year and he fits a desperate need, but he's out with yet another foot injury and I don't like the outlook on that. I absolutely love Gerald Wallace, and loved the rumors last year of Brad Miller for Crash, but the Bobcats are definitely not giving him up this year with the way he's playing.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: Very unlikely. I remember reading of possible Beno for Diop swaps, and with the way Beno has been playing, this would be a huge talent downgrade for us. Kenny Thomas for Chandler could work, but again, injury problems. David thinks that Augustin for Thompson could work, but I highly doubt the Kings want to pair Augustin with Evans and trade away their possible PF or C of the future (still not sold completely on either of our frontcourt guys).
Source: Lane Mitnick, Manager of All U Can Heat
- Team Needs: Cap Space, Cap Space, Cap Space
- Who Would You Want: "The only players they'd consider trading for would be expirings, so looking at your salary list ... I'd guess Kenny Thomas"
- My Analysis: The Heat are perhaps in the best spot for the 2010 FA market. Not only do they have enough money to sign a max player, like a James, Bosh or Stoudemire, they already have their own Superstar in Wade who they can offer more money and years than any other team, without regards to the salary cap. They also have some nice young pieces like Beasley and Chalmers, who they likely aren't giving up. But none of their other pieces really make sense for Sacramento.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: None. Lane says "The problem with the Heat is they are not going to add 2010 and beyond salary, period, because they want as much $ under the cap for 2010 free agency. They currently have enough to offer another max player and keep Wade at max level + add another mid-level area guy. So there is no way they are adding salary to next year (ie no contracts that last longer than this year). It's a shame, too, because they have valuable assets, like Jermaine O'Neal's insanely high expiring contract, Haslem's contract, etc, to trade, but they have their sights set on 1) LeBron and if he stays in Cleveland 2) Bosh." And there aren't any non-expirings on the Heat roster I would want.
Source: Ben Q. Rock, Manager of Orlando Pinstriped Post
- Team Needs: "Orlando's needs are mostly mental/intangible right now. The talent is there, but the Magic are in the midst of a 9-11 swoon which has included a 4-game losing streak and a current 3-game skid. As such, any trade is a risky proposition because it will only further complicate the on-court team dynamic. Due to injuries and a suspension, the Magic have only had Vince Carter, Dwight Howard, Rashard Lewis, and Jameer Nelson--their 4 All-Stars--together in 12 games, during which they're 5-7. So making a major deal might be premature, or panicky. But long-term, there are some issues the Magic should address. The Magic need youth at point guard, shooting guard, and small forward. Nelson is the youngest point guard, and he's 28. Veterans Anthony Johnson and Jason Williams are his backups, and their deals expire this summer. Carter's the shooting guard, and the only guys behind him are Mickael Pietrus (28) and J.J. Redick (25). Pietrus and Matt Barnes (30) are the only small forwards, with Barnes' deal expiring next season (or this season at his option)."
- Who Would You Want: "The two players on the Kings, aside from Tyreke Evans, who could help the Magic the most--today and down the line--are Kevin Martin and Omri Casspi. Martin's unique blend of long-range shooting (39% on three-pointers for his career, over 40% in each of the last 3 years) and foul-drawing (6.4 free-throw attempts per game for his career, no fewer than 7.1 since becoming a regular starter in 2006/07) would boost Orlando's offensive efficiency and space the floor for Howard, while Casspi's height (6'09"), age (22), and ability to play either wing position would bolster the Magic's bench for years to come. A third player is Sergio Rodriguez, an open-floor point guard who loves to push the tempo as Williams does. The problem with Rodriguez is his utter lack of an outside shot. Still, his ability to run a team is admirable, and he'd be a boon to the second unit."
- My Analysis: The Magic have a couple guys that I would be absolutely thrilled to see in a Kings Uniform: Marcin Gortat and Brandon Bass. Gortat isn't very tradeable at the moment because of his BYC status, but the guy would start on probably half the teams in the NBA right now. Bass is a player I've coveted since he was in Dallas, and he reminds me of a Paul Millsap type player, alhough he's actually not as good of a rebounder as you'd think. Ryan Anderson is a nice young player, but I don't see where he'd fit on the Kings roster. He works perfectly in Orlando.
- Likelihood of a Trade Between Us: Trades with Orlando are very difficult because of the salaries. Neither Ben nor I could figure out a trade that wouldn't skew to one team by a pretty big margin. I think that if the Kings do decide to go after someone like a Gortat, they would definitely need a 3rd team. Even then it would be difficult, and like Ben says, the Magic haven't really had a chance to gel yet, so I don't anticipate any major moves by them.
Source: Mike Prada, Manager of Bullets Forever
- Team Needs: "Everything. Young talent that can be built around in the
event of a full demolition." - Who Would You Want: The two players Mike would most love to see (besides Tyreke of course), are Omri Casspi and Jason Thompson, with Kevin Martin being a close 3rd. Mike also doesn't think that Martin can work with Evans, at least not from the evidence he's seen yet.
- My Analysis: The Wizards have probably had the most disappointing year out of any NBA team, even including the Nets. This was a team that was talking about championship aspirations in the offseason, and while that might have been too high of a target, even I had them pegged at 4th or 5th in the East. Now though, it looks like the Wizards might try to unload all of their big contracts and blow up the team. Does a lot depend on if Arenas's contract is voided? Who knows if that will even happen. What I do know is that the Wizards most likely will do something by the deadline, and that I like JaVale McGee.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: Its definitely possible, especially if the Wizards are going to go in demolition mode. Mike brings up a possible trade: "Wizards trade Brendan Haywood, Nick Young and the Kings trade Kenny Thomas, top-10 protected first-round pick in 2010. The Kings might feel like they have enough young guys, so I could see it. They also need a defensive center, and while Haywood is a free agent, he'd be a good guy to mentor the young kids and provide a good
example." I could definitely see the Kings being more interested in that type of deal if McGee were involved, but I doubt that Washington would do that. I do want the Kings to steer clear of the big contracts in Butler and Jamison though.
Southwest Division:
Source: Rob Mahoney, Manager of The Two Man Game
- Team Needs: "The Mavs essentially have two positions of interest: shooting guard and center. They'd seem to be relatively stacked at both, but as always, there's a catch.
Josh Howard and Jason Terry are playing a majority of the minutes at the 2, but both are having uncharacteristically sub-par seasons. Howard has spent the better part of the last two seasons recovering from injury, and though he's supposedly operating at full strength these days, he hardly performs like it. He's still a solid defender, but Howard has become a bit of an offensive liability; he's shooting 37.8% from the field and 24.6% from three, a far cry from his career marks of 45.4% and 34.0%, respectively. Howard was supposedly the piece that, when healthy, would thrust the Mavs into elite status, but so far he's been anything but. Terry's having an equally rough go of it, which is particularly odd considering his typical efficiency. Throughout his career, JET has been one of those atypical players that can score efficiently on mid-range jumpers alone. This year has been a different story, and when Terry's shot stops falling, his value on the floor is pretty limited.
At center, the Mavs could really just use another body. The combination of Erick Dampier and Drew Gooden provide an interesting and productive tandem (Damp's defense and Drew's offense), but Dallas lost their third option in trading Kris Humphries to the Nets. Doesn't seem like much, but it's a bummer." - Who Would You Want: "Kevin Martin - Duh. His defense is...shall we say, a work in progress, but just about any team in the league can use a 26-year-old shooter and scorer extraordinaire. The Mavs offense has been mediocre all season long, and throwing a player of Martin's caliber into the mix would be God Shammgodsend.
Jason Thompson - The next best non-Reke King is hardly a consolation prize, as Thompson should be a very effective player for years to come. I definitely prefer Shock over Hawes, if only because I see Thompson as the superior rebounding and defensive talent. He'd be a nice part of the PF-C rotation for the Mavs, even if Dallas had to part with a big in the process." - My Analysis: Dallas has a team built to win now. Dampier is probably their most tradeable asset, as his contract for next year is basically unguaranteed (He has to meet some performance standards that are way above his skill level), but even with his money clearing, the Mavs will still be above the Luxury Tax next year, so they probably will just let it expire unless its a pretty big upgrade. Dampier and Gooden are a decent combo at Center in my opnion. The player that most intrigues me on the Mavericks is Roddy Beaubois, an athletic freak of nature combo guard.
- Likelihood of a Trade Between us: None at all. The Mavericks have too many big contracts for older guys that the Kings really don't want. Any trade would skew badly in Dallas' favor. There also just really aren't any people that would fit a need here. Even Beaubois doesn't fill a need. Dampier would be good for our defense, but Dallas would likely want K-9 and a Casspi or Donté. No thank you.
Source: Rahat Huq, Manager of Red94
- Team Needs: "A legit scorer at the wings; size and athleticism up front; a go-to scorer"
- Who Would You Want: Spencer Hawes and Jason Thompson are the most intriguing options for Rahat, although Kevin Martin would fill a pretty big need.
- My Analysis: In my opinion, Houston would LOVE to get their hands on Kevin Martin. He would give them the scorer and outside threat they need. I think a large part of the Tracy McGrady for Kevin rumors were emanating from the Houston side. Sacramento probably wants nothing to do with McGrady and would likely want Aaron Brooks (who probably wouldn't work well with Evans, in my opinion), Carl Landry (6th man of a year, great post scorer), Luis Scola, or Trevor Ariza. I just don't see a Martin to Houston trade that would work to Sacramento's liking.
- Likelihood of trade happening between us: As a matter of fact I don't see any trade with Houston working out to Sacramento's liking. Landry is a great scorer up front, but he's not a good rebounder, doesn't handle the ball well, and is an ok defender. Brooks is one of the best scoring point guards in the league, but his defense is sub-par, and he tends to take a lot of shots to get his points. I like Ariza, but the Kings already have a glut of wings, and I don't want to give up Omri or Donté for him. Both those guys could end up being better than Ariza.
Source: djturtleface, Manager of Straight Outta Vancouver
- Team Needs: The Grizzlies are mostly looking for a scorer off the bench, and who also has to be extremely cheap (Under $2 Million a year cheap) or an expiring contract. According to the Memphis Commercial Appeal, "The Griz will not take a player whose deal extends beyond this season if they indeed consummate a deal. Although they are willing to trade draft picks because of the team's youth, the Griz are not offering their own 2010 selection."
- Who Would You Want: "The Kings's roster isn't exactly filled with players that fit the bill for the Grizzlies. I suppose that Donte Greene would be an option, especially since he can theoretically play as a stretch power forward and even at shooting guard in a pinch.Aside from Donte, though, most of the Kings are on too long of contracts to really be of interest to the Grizz, since they have to extend or re-sign 4 of their 5 starters in the next two years and all 5 plus most of the bench in 3 years."
- My Analysis: Well with the kind of parameters Chris Wallace has set, there really aren't many options. The only options would really be Donté or Sergio. Now a trade that has really started to grow on me is the possibility of a Sergio for Haddadi swap. Haddadi is stuck in the rotation behind Zach Randolph (locked up till 2011), Gasol (locked up till 2012), and Thabeet (2014). He has no real use to the roster and yet he's locked up until 2011 before they could offer him a qualifying offer. Now if the Grizzlies were willing to offer Thabeet for perhaps Spencer, I think the Kings might have to at least think about it.
- Likelihood of a Trade: Well I actually think a Haddadi for Sergio swap could be likely. Haddadi fills a need for the Kings in the form of excellent rebounding and shotblocking, and Sergio is an upgrade at their backup spot. With Tinsley expiring next year, they can offer Sergio the qualifying offer and keep him as the primary backup. Sergio would fit very well on a team that has plenty of people who need their shots. But other than a trade like that, I don't think there is anything tangible here.
Source: Ryan Schwan, Co-Manager of Hornets247
- Team Needs: "A backup big man who can rebound a lot and defend a little. Scoring, passing, dribbling - that's all secondary. He simply needs to rebound and not let anyone get to the hoop who wants too and also a wing who was capable of driving to the hoop. The Hornets have pure shooters on the wings, but need one other wing capable of driving to the hoop and scoring. The Hornets SF and SG positions are some of the weakest in the league, and the only real option for the future is rookie Marcus Thornton."
- Who Would You Want: "Of course I'd want to see Kevin Martin come over. He'd solve some of the wing problems instantly. I just don't see the Hornets willing to meet the price - which would probably include David West. Jon Brockman could definitely be part of the solution to the Hornets weak rebounding problem. Nocioni is also intriguing, but only if the Hornets can cut some of their wing dead weight like Mo Pete and Peja at the same time."
- My Analysis: The Kings and Hornets have already been linked in a couple rumors, involving Okafor and West, but Okafor is really the only Hornet I'm at all interested in. There's also the possibility of dumping both Cisco and Noc's contracts for Peja's next year expiring, but this would simply add more long term money to NOLA's budget. I agree with section214 in thinking that Okafor probably won't be given up for simply an expiring and Kevin or a young piece would have to be involved. Would I do it? Probably not, but the possibility remains.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: I think its not likely, but possible. The Hornets aren't as desperate to cut cash as they were, thanks to the Butler, Armstrong, Devin and Bobby Brown trades, and now are actually under the tax. West doesn't really fit a need for the Kings, but I have to think that if the Okafor to Sacramento rumors were true, that Geoff might try to see if he's available again.
Source: Andrew A. McNeill, Writer for 48MinutesofHell
- Team Needs: "At this point in the season, it's tough to say definitively what San Antonio's needs are. The team has yet to completely come together and play consistently for a stretch of games. But that's what happens when you add so many new rotation players to a team that depends on its system. So as far as needs, the Spurs definitely need more time to gel. Unfortunately, they're starting to run out of time."
- Who Would You Want: "If available, the two players that would fit with the Spurs (because with the Spurs, it's all about fit) best would be Kevin Martin and Omri Casspi. Kevin Martin is the type of player who would benefit greatly from playing with a dominant post player like Tim Duncan. Martin seems to shoot at a high clip from wherever he is and would be a compliment to Duncan inside. Casspi is a young player that the Spurs were interested in on draft night in 2009, though with no first round pick the Spurs weren't able to land him. He plays tough and with energy, the type of player the Spurs can always use. Admittedly though, I probably haven't seen enough Kings games this season to really make a smart roster move."
- My Analysis: The Spurs want to win a Championship now. As such, they're not going to be making any moves that don't improve their team talent wise or ruin any chemistry. Also, the Spurs are really solid at almost every position, with a good starter and backup. I could see the Spurs liking Noc on their team, so perhaps a Roger Mason and Matt Bonner (both expirings) for Noc trade could work, but I don't know if the Spurs want to add too much long term salary.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: I actually really like San Antonio as a destination for Noc, who the Kings will be actively trying to unload, and I think its a legitimate possibility he could end up in San Antonio to fit that Bruce Bowen type role. Play scrappy and hit the occasional corner 3. But other than Noc, I don't see any trade happening.
Northwest Division:
Source: Andrew Feinstein, Co-Manager of Denver Stiffs
- Team Needs: "The Nuggets need more size upfront in the form of a legitimate starting center or at least a solid backup center that would enable Nene to play more power forward. The Nuggets only play three "big men", and our two centers – Nene and Chris Andersen – are a bit undersized for the position while our power forward – Kenyon Martin – is undersized at power forward. If Nene could play more power forward, he’d be the second coming of Calvin Natt circa 1985."
- Who Would you Want: "Jason Thompson and Jon Brockman. If Thompson were the Nuggets starting center, we’d be the best team in the Western Conference. No doubt in my mind. Brockman, on the other hand, fits my "second round draft pick power forward theory" to a tee: i.e. smart teams draft "undersized" power forwards who were awesome in college in the second round and often reap the benefits. In this year’s draft, Brockman and DeJuan Blair are further proof of my theory, just as Paul Millsap, Leon Powe, Carlos Boozer and countless others have been in the past."
- My Analysis: The Nuggets have a pretty good roster, but not very many people that I'd like. I love Nene and think he's one of the more underrated players in the league, but the Nuggets aren't letting him go unless its for an upgrade, which the Kings don't have. In fact, all the Nuggets I like are probably not going to be traded. Johan Petro is a guy the Kings might like though, and maybe Ime could be swapped for him. Ime's better than Afflalo in my opinion.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: Not good. There just aren't any realistic trades. Here's what Andrew has to say on the matter: "I don’t see a realistic trade between our two teams. The Kings have some good things going for them that they won’t part with, and the Nuggets aren’t taking back any of your bad contracts."
Source: Zach Harper, Long Time Timberwolves Fan and Writer for Cowbell Kingdom
- Team Needs: "The Wolves have no scoring. I mean, they have NO scoring. If Jonny Flynn is off you can guarantee they aren't outscoring the other team. Their biggest need is outside shooting. They would kill for guys like Casspi and Greene because they would stretch the floor and slow teams from double-teaming Al Jefferson so quickly. They also need defensive help inside. You can't play Love and Jefferson together and expect them to get any stops. As much as we all love Ryan Hollins and consider him to be the next Olajuwon, they have nothing to stop players in the paint."
- Who Would You Want: "I think the Wolves could definitely use Donté Greene and Kevin Martin the most. They need to stretch the defense and give Flynn someone to play off of other than Corey Brewer."
- My Analysis: Reading up on the Timberwolves blog, I see parallels between Kings and Wolves fans. Both fans have a growing number of people who are becoming disillusioned with their former star in favor of the new kid on the block (Kevin Martin and Tyreke Evans in Sac, Al Jefferson and Kevin Love in Minnesota). The difference to me is, while Martin and Tyreke's games actually complement each others, Love's and Jefferson's do not. Now would Jefferson be an upgrade to our frontcourt? Yes. But long term, I think it would simply settle us into mediocrity and not anything special. Zach thinks that Kevin Martin and Spencer Hawes could be a realistic deal for Big Al, and even though it looks like an improvement to some people, I'm not completely sure. I would be sort of ambivalent about such a trade until I saw how it worked out. As for other players on the Timberwolves roster, I want no part in any of it. Flynn is nice, but we have Tyreke. T-Wolves aren't trading Love. Everyone else is pretty much garbage, although I liked Sessions during the summer, but he does what Tyreke does, just not as well.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: It depends on what you think of Minnesota shopping Jefferson (evidenced by the Granger denial), and the Kings saying they would only part with Martin for an All-Star caliber big man. Also, Noc could fill a need for them and we could trade him there for expirings. They'd at least have someone who could hit a 3 and score the ball. Even though I'm not sure if I'm for or against it, I think its a possibility that Petrie and Kahn have talked and will talk more about Martin for Jefferson. We shall see.
Source: Zorgon, Manager of Welcome to Loud City
- Team Needs: "Right now, most people's immediate concern is for a Center that can provide a big defensive presence, since Nenad Krstic is completely soft, Nick Collison is only of average talent, and Serge Ibaka is a big question mark. Another helpful talent would be getting a good shooter, which this team is almost completely devoid of. We mostly have players who drive to the hoop. Other than that, I wouldn't mind swapping Jeff Green for a true Power Forward, since he struggles against the bigger men in the game offensively."
- Who Would You Want: "Omri Casspi would be appealing, simply because he's a good shooter. He could come off the bench and provide a dynamic to our offense that we don't have at our current state of development. I'd also like to have Spencer Hawes, because he's pretty much what Nenad Krstic should and can be. He shoots from mid range and the perimeter, while not being completely useless on defense and rebounding (Aykis' Note: I think some Kings fans would disagree with you there Zorgon), like Nenad is."
- My Analysis: The Thunder are much like the Kings, although they're thriving with their defense, not offense. You would think Durant, Westbrook and Green are pretty much untouchable, although if you had to pick one of those to make available, you'd think it'd be Green. Otherwise there are a couple guys I like off their roster. Serge Ibaka is a young, tough forward who sees limited time, but is a good shotblocker and rebounder, two things the Kings need very much. Thabo Sefolosha to me is the 2nd coming of Doug Christie.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: Probably not very likely. The Thunder are making a steady playoff push and relying on their defense to do it. They only have $39.5 Million in salary on the books next year, with none of the guys that are coming off seen as integral parts of the team. The Thunder could go out and pay a guy like Brendan Haywood while continuing to develop BJ Mullens and grow their team internally. Its a strategy I hope the Kings employ, because it seems like in the two most recent instances where its been tried (Portland and OKC) its worked.
Source: Ben Golliver, Co-Manager of Blazers Edge
- Team Needs: Bigs. Healthy Bigs. Young, Healthy Bigs. Cheap, Young, Healthy Bigs.
- Who Would You Want: "If you're taking Reke out of the equation the three guys the Blazers would be interested in are Hawes, JT and Brockman and I think those are three pieces the Kings would be very reluctant to move."
- My Analysis: The Blazers really don't have anyone that would interest me and could possibly be available. I was quite intrigued by Fernandez last year, but Omri is pretty much doing what he's doing, I liked Sergio, now he's a King, and Przybilla, who I think is very underrated, doesn't exactly have a clean bill of health at the moment. The Blazers almost have as bad a glut of wings as the Kings do, so those guys are pretty much out of the equation as well. And just say no to Andre Miller.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: Ben says it best, "Maybe you could find a swap of expiring contracts or 2nd round picks but I'm not sure there's a fit anywhere past that." There isn't anything concrete here.
Source: Basketball John, Manager of SLC Dunk
- Team Needs: "It seems like the needs of the Jazz change all the time. We're set at PG, so scratch that. The backups are questionable there though. We don't need a PF as we already have Boozer in place for right now. If he goes, and that's looking like a bigger if every day, we have Millsap behind him. We have a glut at the wing position right now with CJ Miles, Ronnie Brewer, Kyle Korver, Wesley Matthews, AK-47.
What we need though is probably another scorer and a big man - at least a big man that Jerry Sloan will play." - Who Would You Want: "The Jazz do need another offensive threat and Martin would fit the bill. But his defense is suspect at best and that's been the focus of the Jazz this year.
A Deron Williams and Kevin Martin back-court is enticing though." - My Analysis: The Jazz have quite a few people I'm interested in. I've always liked Kirilenko (not his contract though) and Kyrylo Fesenko is a nice, young, cheap big with upside. Their other young big, Koufos, I don't like, because he thinks he's Mehmet Okur, and he's not even close to being Spencer Hawes. The Jazz are above the luxury tax, and they would need to clear about $5 million from their books if they didn't want to pay the tax. Getting rid of Kirilenko's contract would be hard to do, but I think they would do it if they could.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: I think its possible. The Kings could be interested in 3 things: AK47, Fesenko, and NY's draft pick. John brings up one of Bill Simmons Fake Trades: "Martin/Thomas to Utah for Andrei Kirilenko (expires in 2011), Kyle Korver's EC, $3 million (not a problem because Utah still saves $3.2 million with the difference in salaries, plus another $3.2 million in luxury-tax money) and the rights to New York's unprotected first-round pick in 2010." It's one of the better offers for Kevin, and if you think about it, that would give the Kings the potential to draft a big and a guard in the lottery next year (I know NY is only 1.5 games out of the 8th spot, but I don't see them beating out Chicago or Milwaukee). Guys like Willie Warren or Xavier Henry would be available and we know how good Petrie is at sniffing out talent. We'll see what happens here.
Pacific Division:
Source: Rasheed Malek, Co-Manager of Warriors World
- Team Needs: "The most pressing need on the court is to get a big man who can play in the post and be a presence. Warriors have been looking at David West this season as a potential acquisition but that hasn't materialized as of yet and they passed on Amare Stoudemire over the summer which with each passing day looks like a great move."
- Who Would You Want: "I've always been a huge fan of Francisco Garcia and would love to see him play under Nellie in an uptempo system."
- My Analysis: The Warriors don't really have anything the Kings might want other than Biedrins, who is probably the last person on that team they want to move. Other than Biedrins, Anthony Randolph is intriguing, but you would think that the Kings would have just drafted him if they had any real interest right? Also, the Warriors would probably want to use Randolph in potential blockbuster trades for guys like Bosh or Stoudemire, both of whom they are actively pursuing. I don't really want any of the rest of the roster, which consists mainly of wings. Anthony Morrow is probably the best shooter in the league but literally does nothing else.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: Very unlikely. Neither the Warriors or the Kings really have anything the other needs, and according to Rasheed, the Warriors are probably going to try to go after guys like Bosh, Stoudemire or Rudy Gay at the deadline.
Source: Steve Perrin, Manager of Clips Nation
- Team Needs: The biggest need is for Blake Griffin to come back healthy. He's the future and the team needs him at 100%. Otherwise, the only other needs the Clippers have are a strong wing player and a backup point guard.
- Who Would You Want: "Omri Casspi is the one guy I'd covet on the roster other than Tyreke. I love KMart, but he plays the same spot as Eric Gordon and is a similar player. Udrih is too expensive as a back point, Rodriquez is probably not an upgrade over Telfair. Jason Thompson is probably the other guy I'd want, but he'd be joining a pretty young and deep front court, so I'm not sure it would make sense."
- My Analysis: The Clippers have several guys the Kings could potentially be interested in. They have a wealth of big men with Kaman, Camby, and DeAndre Jordan, as well as Brian Skinner and Craig Smith. Jordan would be the most intriguing to me, but he's also likely the one the Clippers would least like to see go. Eric Gordon is a phenomenal young shooting guard, and in my opinion, one of the few players in the league that I would want back in a Kevin Martin trade. Steve is right. Gordon and K-Mart are very similar players, with Kevin being better now, and also much more expensive. If I were LA, I'd want to keep him.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: I wouldn't say its likely at all. The Clippers are doing ok for themselves right now at 18-22, without Griffin, and they have about $20 million dollars worth of expiring contracts, so they'll have money to play around with during the offseason, as well as another lottery pick. I doubt we'll be seeing the Clippers active much at all around the deadline.
Source: Chris Clark, Co-Manager of Silver Screen and Roll
- Team Needs: "Point guard is the Lakers biggest need. Fisher is probably the worst starting point guard in the NBA. Farmar is ok, but inconsistent behind him, and Shannon Brown really isn't a point guard. After that, all the Lakers need is some outside shooting, and some bench scoring."
- Who Would You Want: "The two Kings that intrigue me the most are Omri Casspi and Spencer Hawes. Hawes is the type of big man that should beg to play in the triangle. Great passer, great outside shooter, he'd fit in to the PF role in the triangle perfectly.
But the guy who has me absolutely salivating is Casspi. He would solve so many problems for the Lakers. He'd provide scoring off the bench. He seems like he really knows how to finish on the break, which would allow our 2nd unit to play a more up-tempo style that suits them. And he's a better shooter than anybody on our team." - My Analysis: The Lakers don't really need to do anything to their team. They could stay exactly the same and still contend and likely win a championship. Still, their bench does suck and they could use an upgrade there and at the point guard position. According to Chris, the Lakers would likely have no interest in Udrih's contract, even though he'd likely be an upgrade at that position, so that probably rules out Nocioni for expirings as well. Sergio is a possibility, maybe for DJ Mbenga.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: I'll let Chris take a gander: "I'm roughly 110% certain that the Lakers and Kings will not be partners in a trade this off-season" I have to say that I agree. Nothing really makes sense, and I don't see why the Kings would want to make the Lakers better without getting rid of a lot of money in a deal, which isn't happening.
Source: Phoenix Stan, Manager of Bright Side of the Sun
- Team Needs: "You could make the case that the Suns have needs at every position. The key of course, being Amare Stoudemire. For all the flack he takes in Phoenix and around the league for his defense, Amare is a top 5 PF/C in the league. If the Suns extend Amare than that position is set and his presence on the roster dictates the type of big men you surround him with. For example, if Amare stays then Jason Thompson isn't a good pairing with him but Spencer Hawes might be.
The Suns right now are deepest at the two guard position with Jason Richardson starting, Leandro Barbosa backing him up and of late, Goran Dragic getting good minutes playing with Nash.
The Nash/Dragic pairing is solid right now. Solid being an understatement since Steve is playing at an extremely high level.
The biggest concern I have is small forward. Grant Hill is fading before out eyes. He doesn't seem to be able to sustain a high-level of play late in games and his back up Jared Dudley is one of those rotation players that gets exposed by playing too many minutes. He's best a 20 mpg guy. Behind them is the #15 pick Earl Clark. Earl is full of talent and potential but at best is a few years away from being an impact player and it is questionable if he ever will be.
Up front the Frye/Lopez/Amundson rotation is OK but just OK. Of late, Frye has been in a slump and Robin has started to show real signs of improvement. We might even see Lopez replace Frye in the starting line-up as soon as today vs Memphis. All there are valuable rotation players but clearly no all-stars in that mix (but Robin has the highest up-side of the bunch)." - Who Would You Want: "I really like JT and in the past have been intrigued by potential trades that sent Amare to the Kings for him and other parts but now that's not going to happen because Amare isn't going to re-sign in Sacramento and you can't give up talent to get a guy that won't stay.
Beyond that, I am not a big Kevin Martin fan and don't see any scenario in which his coming to Phoenix makes sense. You've got some fun role player over there like Casspi and Brockman and I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Garcia in Suns uniform if the deal was right but let's face it, other than Tyreke there's nothing on that Kings roster that is going to make me wet the bed in excitement. " - My Analysis: There are two people I'd be at all interested in from Phoenix: Amar'e Stoudemire and Robin Lopez. Obviously the easier one to trade for is Lopez, but I still don't see a deal that makes sense. Lopez is not a good rebounder but he's an excellent shot blocker and still has upside. Phoenix's style might also not be conducive to a Center like him.
- Likelihood of a trade between us: None. I just don't see anything getting done. Salaries don't match up, needs don't really match up. Unless there was another team involved, I don't see anything happening here.
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Wow
Clearly you put an amazing amount of effort into this – thanks for the hard work Aykis.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
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And a recommendation – read this in a few sittings if you don’t have the time to read the whole thing at one time. There is an absolute ton of great info here – it’s like surfing from site to site, except that Aykis has extracted all of the stuff that would relate to the Kings and organized it for us.
Exceptional work, Aykis. Hat tip, golf clap, a wow and all that.
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It was worth the 35 minutes it took me to read through the whole thing.
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Agreed 100%
Great stuff and well worth the time to read it all. I’ll say one thing. Anyone who thinks K-Mart is not appreciated around the league should read how many teams would love to have him.
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by SavageBeast on Jan 27, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep, and Spencer too
also agree. Great post Aykis. Thanks for the work
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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 27, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Just to highlight this - which occurred to me as well
I’ll say one thing. Anyone who thinks K-Mart is not appreciated around the league should read how many teams would love to have him.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That really caught my attention as well
To have that many teams wanting K-Mart speaks to his value, but then again they have all been on the receiving end of his ability to get to the line and nail the 3 pointer.
It's not teams though; it's other FANS
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There is a difference
But when you are talking about fans informed at the level these ones are, I don’t think it’s a huge one. But I agree. Blogs don’t speak for GMs.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
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That was one of my goals in this post
To see which players opposing fans really liked. I was actually quite surprised to see how many people liked Spencer Hawes.
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Yes, that jumped out at me.
I understand the interest in Kevin, but there was almost as much interest in Spencer. I get the feeling that everyone could use a young, cheap big with potential.
Not many bigs with Spencer's upside
He has the potential to be one of the better Centers in the league.
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so does
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He has the potential to be one of the better Centers in the league
by betweentheeyes on Jan 27, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
I see a differing dynamic in the East and West now
It used to be that most of the great Centers were in the West and the Guards were in the East, but now quite a few of the brightest young players in the West are guards (Evans, Curry, Flynn, Lawson, Westbrook, Brooks, Mayo, Gordon), while quite a few of the brightest young players in the East are Centers (Hibbert, Lopez, Noah) or Forwards (Beasley, Ilyasova, Gibson).
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Wouldn't that make sense?
The guys that were good then are now good vets now, so their team drafts the good wing instead of the good big, and vice versa.
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David Stern don't call it cylical.
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Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Rec'd
awesome read
"Lord loves a workin' man, and don't trust whitey"
by LaPrimeraLives on Jan 27, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Great stuff Aykis but I have some comments (naturally)
First I’d like to thank you for taking the time, effort and ability to clearly articulate how difficult it is to come up with trades. You have 30 teams all looking out for their best interest, and it’s amazing how many teams don’t trade superstars for bench guys making way too much money. < / sarcasm >
Onto the other stuff:
Not good. If the Kings did want to acquire Brown, all it would take would be Hilton Armstrong, thanks to the 125% rule
This would only be true if the Kings were OVER the cap, which they aren’t. However, the Kings are still enough under the cap that they could make this deal (Kwame Brown for Hilton Armstrong) work anyway.
i like the comment about Ersan Ilyasova being the Turkish Lamar Odom. Ilyasova’s presence on the Bucks has been really overshadowed with the presence of Jennings. Unfortunately. (Both deserve billing IMO.)
The Hornets aren’t as desperate to cut cash as they were, thanks to the Butler, Armstrong, Devin and Bobby Brown trades, and now are actually not under the tax
Aren’t the Hornets under the tax?
Anyway, again, great stuff.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2010 12:39 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Crap, Under is what I meant
I was writing the article when the Brown trades happen, so the editing didn’t work out totally. Thanks for picking up on that though, I’ll fix it.
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You've been busy
On Indiana: I see real possibilities on the Troy Murphy deal and also wonder if they may not be interested in Noce, as he could spell Granger and is capable of creating his own shot. (hell, he hasn’t seen a shot he won’t take) Noce pushes the tempo as well, something Indiana could use.
The Utah trade is I suppose possible. I always hesitate on trades within the conference and seeing players like KM coming back to haunt the fans, though AK might sell some tix in our Russian community.
Does Chicago really want Noce back? That Noce for TT would be ideal.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
i doubt Pacers would have interested in noce
Dunleavy and Rush can play SF. I know they are not great either but considering they are both already on the books and not going anywhere and the team is hemmoraging money i doubt they really would care about bringing him in.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
You forget
Its Larry Bird’s mission to create the whitest team in the NBA :-)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
ah my friend but you also forgot
his mission is to create the whitest American born team in the NBA
by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Pacers would not want Noc
They’re desperate to cut salary.
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On Okl
I lusted after Thebo a few years ago (when he could be had), used the DG comparison, and the reaction wasn’t good. Oh well, nobody wants defense until it hits them in the face. Its not sexy.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
yeah
i remember, back in the summer of 2008 when we were debating resigning Beno and the Grizzlies had their Conley/Lowry mess, i was lusting for a fransisco garcia/kyle lowry trade.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
I really like Thabo
but I don’t see where he fits on this Kings team.
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I'm sad to read that Troy Murphy is an upgrade for the Kings.
I definitely see Troy Murphy moving at the deadline, and I think the Kings could definitely be interested. He doesn’t really help our Interior D, but he’s a better interior defender than JT or Spencer
Now you know why Big men are so overpaid
Just not many out there that are even reasonably competant and complete.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Troy Murphy is an outstanding player
He gets a bad rap for some reason. Last year he led the league in Defensive Rebounding Percentage grabbing THIRTY-TWO Percent of all defensive rebound opportunities. He’s not far off this year, at 28.6%.
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Murphy and Dunleavy's reputations took a hit from the dubs/Pacer mega trade
out least on the west coast.
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
I just remember how much Dubs fans hated the Murphy Dunleavy combo from listening to KNBR. Haven’t followed either of them since they switched coasts. He may be a fine rebounder, but I never considered Troy Murphy as a potential starting PF on a contending team is all.
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 27, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Cleveland would LOVE
to get Troy Murphy, and if they did, I think they win the championship this year, easy. Like sweep the playoffs easy.
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I have always been a fan of his
I have never understood why his reputation isnt higher. I think rebounding is key, so I would love him, or David Lee, in a Kings uniform.
Troy Murphy was oft injured in the Bay Area
and his defense is always suspect. He is not a good one on one defender, he is not a shot blocker. He and David Lee are a vanilla oreo: one is good on the nside, the other from the outside. Both are very similar: other than rebounding they are not good lateral quickness defenders. Neither is much of a passer either. Maybe you could say one is jetsam, the other flotsam, both garbage players for the most part. The main reason that Troy Murphy was moved was to move Mike Dunleavy (we’ll take Dunleavy if you throw in Murphy, please get gun toting bored in the Midwest Stephen Jackson away from us)
Pacers wise – I like Jeff Foster – a taller (not bigger but as big) Brockman. He would make The B Monster superfluous.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 27, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Murphy and Dunleavy didn't play will in the Warriors system
I remember Murphy espcially didn’t like Nellie. In fact he referred to him as a confidence killer after the trade. Both players instantly improved after landing in Indy. Stay away from Dunleavy and his knees though.
I like Murphy because he was always seemed to be a guy that loved contact and that would really throw his body around to get rebounds. On offense, he can help stretch the defense too.
I agree with previous comment that lateral quickness is not his strong suit.
that's because they have Lebron at SF and Shaq/Z at center
Murphy is not the interior presence we need.
Interestingly....
…Bulls fans don’t want any part of Noc and the majority seemed glad to get rid of him. That was the impression I got after poking around blog a bull after inquiring about joakim noah (who they love). Don’t know how management there feels about Noc, but why would they want him back after getting rid of him?
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
you think the team that leaked they were going to dump VDN and hasn't can give a straight answer?
interested in buying real estate? I might have a bridge I can sell you
by betweentheeyes on Jan 27, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
It isn't part of 680 is it?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I can FastTrack that for you ....
by betweentheeyes on Jan 27, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Heh.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
After reading your amazing post
I’ve come away with this feeling. There is no instant game changer out there that seems doable. It appears the best we can do is drop some salary and maybe pick up a young big with potential to be ok or better, and some draft picks, hopefully lottery.
So keep the core Evans Hawes JT Martin Casspi Greene and Brockman. Garcia probably stays because of leadership and his injury and contract combine to make it doubtful he has any takers. I’m good with that because I like Cisco and he can back up the 1-3.
So that leaves K9 Noc Sergio Beno and the other expirings.
In my mind it makes Okafor much better than my initial reaction to him Dalembert fits, but I’m even more loukwarm to him than Okafor.
Summary….get some picks , or a young big with some potential, and keep the core.
Build, baby, build.
by ElRonToro on Jan 27, 2010 1:23 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Brilliant
I believe this link should be made the first comment in every subsequent trade idea FanPost over the next month.
by Tom Ziller on Jan 27, 2010 1:30 PM PST reply actions 8 recs
Just over the next month?
How about the next decade.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2010 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"so you're saying there's a chance"
posted on the assinine trade thread, a two-part deal: KMart and Hawes for Jefferson… and K-9/Sergio for Tyrus Thomas. Jefferson haters be damned.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jan 27, 2010 1:30 PM PST reply actions
oops...
chicago gives up Heinrich and Thomas for K-9 and Sergio.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jan 27, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Great stuff Aykis, it was worth the wait you tease
Based on this and other stuff I’ve read it seems to me that the two live trade possibilities would be Tyrus Thomas and Samuel Dalembert. When Spencer has a game like the one last night it’s hard to see why so many are down on him. It was interesting that so many of the writers you spoke with were interested in him.
Nothing out there provides any instant improvement and I suppose the best (hard for impatient fans) is to continue the internal development and build through the draft. I really have doubts about Spencer and JT’s ability to to be the starting frontcourt of the future but with your quick tour through the league there are no players available who improve the team substantially at the price we are paying them.
If any GM’s out there saw Kevin’s game last night I doubt we could give him away for a protected second round pick. I swear I thought I saw him trying to hide in crowds in the high post last night trying to avoid getting passed to. I have no doubt that his confidence and game will return, hopefully sooner than later.
This is an excellent, high quality post Aykis, I can only imagine the amount of work you put into it. My only request might be to add a conclusion with your thoughts on what the best and most likely trades, if any, would be for the Kings. My take from my first read is that like Mustang, I thought that the trade for Ty Thomas is most likely based on your reporting and I’m not sure if that’s what your ultimate point is.
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
I thought of adding a conclusion
But I sorted of did that with my analysis of each team. I didn’t want to say what trades I think are the most likely, but if you want my opinion, I think that Dalembert would be the most likely trade, with Tyrus Thomas being second. My reasoning with this is, there aren’t many teams that want or need Dalembert, while there are quite a few teams that could offer something for Thomas that could perhaps be more palatable than what the Kings might offer.
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The part you said about Kevin trying to hide in the crowds struck a chord with me
I thought the same thing as I watched last night. He really didn’t want to get open. I had a game once where shot # 17 was the first one I hit. After the first 10 , my cuts were slower, I hovered near defenders and really didn’t want to shoot again. I felt that Kevin had that feeling last night,
Top notch read man, well put together and totally rec'd.
As a side note; “Pippen Aint Easy”?!?
I laughed, I cried, I pissed a little! (oh snap)
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
by Balky Needs on Jan 27, 2010 1:52 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I will give the Fansided Network this
They have some good blog names. I like Milwaukee’s as well “We’re Bucked”
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Amazing
Read it all in one go, incredibly informative and well laid out.
Great work!
Seems like some slim pickings out there, but i’d gladly give up Noc for an expiring, if possible.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
Noce and Sergio to Boston for expirings makes a lot of sense
They definitely come out ahead on talent, but we shave a lot of salary and we probably aren’t going to keep Sergio beyond this year
Unless someone wants Beno, but who would want a PG shooting 13/4 on .497 shooting
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clearly you didn't get the memo Hightops
that Beno’s apparantly a PG in a PF’s body.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2010 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
wow, who'd a thought it
you clearly are out of the loop. I think even the guys in the mail room got that memo
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
the coolcat memo
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Very cool, Aykis, rec'd
I like that you “showed your work” as opposed to just posting what you thought was most likely, especially since Petrie rarely ends up doing what most people consider to be the most likely.
Also, I’ll take that Jazz trade, please! Would they really give us AK and NY’s pick for Martin/K9? Even without the Martin/Reke chemistry questions and Kevin’s recent struggles, I would see that as a probable boon for the Kings. But I really don’t want to turn this into another Kevin Martin battle, I think enough blood has been spilled on that already. Just stating my personal opinion (without any kind of tangible support).
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 27, 2010 2:21 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Deron Williams and Kevin Martin
Instantly become the best backcourt in the NBA.
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Until the Kings used that Knicks pick
to draft John Wall. The backcourt of John Wall and Tyreke Evans would be the equivalent of the “Deadlights” in It whenever they stepped onto the court together.
By the way, great work on this.
by Zach H from Talk H on Jan 27, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Knicks will probably finish with about the same record as the Kings
so I doubt either of those picks will end up being the #1 pick since they’ll most likely end up in the 6-10 range.
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I don't know
I see the basketball gods moving that pick to #1 in the lottery so the media can write about how tragic it is the Knicks missed out on this opportunity. Basically the Memphis 2003 pick multiplied by complete hysteria plus Pi over what could have been.
by Zach H from Talk H on Jan 27, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's both hysterical
and sounds like too much fate to not come true.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
yep Zach, I think whenever throw Pi in there it happens
shoot, Pi even makes soup better
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
Kyrylo Fesenko....
Would the Jazz be willing to include him in a deal? What would that deal look like?
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
Fantastic job
Haven’t had a chance to complete the whole thing yet (damn my actual job!), but what I’ve read has already been fantastic.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
Several things to note here.
A. Damn, you have a lot of time on your hands.
B. Having all that time turned out to be a good thing, well done. It was a solid read with good analysis.
C. Looks like you made a lot of new friends around the (blog) league! Yay!
D. Please don’t refer to Samuel Dalembert as “Sammy D.” We all know there can only be one Sammy involved in this blog.
There will be a SammyP wherever you go. But don't worry, it scared me at first too.
But there's a Sammy wherever you go :P
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And I really don't have that much time on my hands
I’ll have time enough to sleep when I’m dead though.
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Yes, there is a SammyP wherever you go.
And I am that SammyP. It’s dedication, I know.
Well, time or no time on your hands, props to you.
There will be a SammyP wherever you go. But don't worry, it scared me at first too.
'
Yes, there is a SammyP wherever you go.
Dammit, I just got some SammyP on my hands. :(
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 27, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
try vinegar and hot, hot water
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
by SavageBeast on Jan 27, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If you sleep 2 less hours a day
from age 20 thru 80 you would be awake 5 years more than another 80 year old.
good luck with him getting to 85.
Holy crap
This post is far too epic to read in one sitting at work, I read the first couple…absolutely amazing job.
I will finish later.
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
Fantastic job Aykis
Read it all in one sitting, I had no idea what I was in for!
I suppose I can just reiterate what many have already said, there really isn’t a whole lot out there worth it for both the Kings and any potential trading partner.
My opinion is to just ride-out the season and see where the dust settles with the draft and with the off-season.
Of course, that wasn't GMs talking
or owners, who knows what they actually think or might do to save a few million.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
GMs weren't readily available
Or I would have contacted them :)
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They're all lyin liars anyway . . . .
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Wow...Nice analysis
Kind of agree with you that if a trade does happen it will be for Dalmbert or Murphy, but I really would like to get Al Jefferson from Minnesota. Would love our offense to have an option of being able to get points in the paint. I believe that K-Mart + Noc for Al Jeff + Brewer + expiring would solve the main concerns for both teams. Minnesota gets some outside shooting to go with Love and Flynn while we get someone who can score in the paint and get a rebound or two.
Also, from what I see in the college ranks, I believe it is easier to draft a shooting 2 guard than that talented, interior big man.
They so often don't pan out - or take freakin' five years
Thats why the decent ‘available’ ones get so overpaid.
I’d like to repeat what kfan in korea said as well. A lot of folks mentioned Hawes.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
Mainly because of Tyreke Evans
Who is 17th in the NBA (from what I remember of last nights broadcast) by himself.
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I wish that I could rec this a 2nd time
Thanks again, Aykis. Awesome.
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First off, great post...
Wow – lots of work and super information. Rec’d to be sure!
I can really see a Dalembert deal happening if the Sixers are looking to cut payroll. Another deal that works though is Dalembert for K9/Beno which is the deal I would advocate for a few reasons:
1. Beno’s contract, while more palatable given how he has played this year, is still pretty expensive, especially when we have Sergio sitting on the bench…
2. With Francisco coming back, something has to give. Beno’s minutes as a backup point/shooting guard could fall to Cisco very easily…
3. To me, trading Martin simply isn’t an option at this point. Even if you (speaking generally) are convinced that the Evans/Martin backcourt will never work, trading Martin would be like selling stock at the bottom of the market. Wait until next year when KMart is back to being himself and he would fetch a far greater price…
4. Financial flexability – for such a young team, you simply can’t have enough of it…
"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."
Why would Philly want Beno?
When they have Lou Williams, Iverson, Jrue Holiday, and Willie Green?
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They probably wouldn't...
But if I was in Petrie’s shoes, and Philly needs KT’s expiring money, that’s the deal I would try to make. Iverson is short term, Holiday is super raw and Green is marginal at best. I just think that Noc will be pretty hard to move, and with the logjam that is coming for the Kings in the backcourt when Cisco returns, Beno could be the one to try and move along with Thomas. It really does depend though on how bad of a financial mess Philly is in, and only they know that…
"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."
Well done
Appreciate the hard work and effort in writing this post.
A definite RECD

When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
Love your sig.
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I still like Toronto
Seriously. I like Hedo and Calderon. I also like DeMar. I don’t even want Bosh right now because I know he’s gonna walk. I seriously would trade Kevin and Noc for Hedo and Calderon.
by White Brocklate on Jan 27, 2010 5:40 PM PST reply actions
ug
i’m sorry but i hate calderon and his spanish ham. This team would be an embarrasment on defen… correction, we will continue to be an embarrasment on defense with those two
by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
This post is for you.
Learn it.
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I'll repeat
Too old, too slow, too expensive and Hedo is a look backwards – not forward.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
Because God loves torturing his stupid Mexicans from Peru Eddie.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah.
I wish they would stop hopping the border and taking our jobs. Bastards.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
That was solely for you ed. :)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Yeah the line of American workers aching to become farm workers is growing all the time.
"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu
Nah, just getting into the spirit of the moment.
"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu
Amazing!
This is a truly awesome post, Aykis. It’s great because you can read a few of the team analyses, stop and ponder for a while, think of various scenarios and implications, and then go back for more. Thanks for putting in the hours!
One place I disagree (slightly) is regarding Al Jefferson. If that guy is really available we should jump on it! I know he’s not a great defender but he is an excellent rebounder and would give us a major upgrade in the front court. He’s only 25 years old, and there’s no reason that he couldn’t work on the “D” to become a truly dominant big man. Actually, he’s close to being that now.
Secondly, with regards to the Jazz you don’t mention Millsap. I know it’s a complex situation in Utah but isn’t he at all a possibility, given the way Boozer has played since his return?
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Utah just spent their entire summer trying to keep Millsap
And offered him Kevin Martin like money to do so. They’re not going to offer Boozer more and have his backup make 11 million. Millsap is their PF of the future.
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I figured as much,
but why then no talk of acquiring Boozer, (as apposed to AK47)?
Wouldn’t that be a move more or less equivalent to going after Bosh, or is there no chance the Kings would be able to re-sign The Boozeman (hey, I just made that nickname up!) after this year?
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
There are a BUNCH of teams that have cap space this year to go for a big man
A few teams will miss out on the top-notch players (Wade, Bosh, James) that they were banking on getting and so will likely overpay for someone else.
I doubt the Kings go after Boozer, he’ll want more money than he’s making now (12.3 million), he’ll probably want somewhere from 15-max and knowing how many teams are clearing space, he’ll probably get something in the middle of that.
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Makes sense...
I like Carlos but not to the tune of 15 million…
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Sounds like a Rashard Lewis situation
Guy that is not really a superstar gets superstar money because the only way a team can get him there is to overpay him. Lets avoid this at all costs…
"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"
-Chris Rock
Very good analogy.
I can envision exactly that type of scenario.
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I don't understand
the only way a team can get him there is to overpay him. Lets avoid this at all costs
You can avoid this at all costs if you underpay can’t you?
by betweentheeyes on Jan 27, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
Don't know if you're joking so I'll clarify anyway
Here’s a scenario: Bosh, James, Wade, and J. Johnson all stay with their current teams. That leaves quite a few teams with a lot of cap space and nothing to show for it. That means theres going to be a bidding war for guys like Boozer, Rudy Gay, Amar’e and those guys will all likely end up getting more money than they deserve to join teams like Minnesota, New Jersey, Chicago, New York, etc.
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oh, you mean they will get Koncak-ed.
See, being old I get to use references that confuse you and make me feel sage worthy. Koncak (see link to basketbawful)
historical footnote: Jon Koncak was almost picked by the Kings and if he had been Section214’s avatar would look different – but with only barely perceptible changes. He was that draft’s #5 pick, the Kings went 6th.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 27, 2010 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
JOE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
not much of a change Section
but the Jon Contract image costs more but does the same thing.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 28, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
So......
JON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I though J. Johnson already signed an extension.
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Nope.
It was only being discussed.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
He turned down 4 years $15 mil a year
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Yep.
Question is why.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
He will get more.
Mark my words, he will get a max contract this summer. Either the Hawks will freak out and offer him a ton to make sure he stays or another team will “pull a Rashard Lewis.” Him and Boozer are the two biggest candidates to be overpaid, imo.
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-Chris Rock
Amar'e is going to be overpaid if he gets more than what he makes now
He’s already overpaid in my opinion.
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That is right
I completely forgot about him.
"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"
-Chris Rock
I don't think the Heat are out
Beasly and James Jones for Jason and K-9. I think Beasly is way better than Jason, and Miami would have major contract incentive.
by White Brocklate on Jan 27, 2010 5:54 PM PST reply actions
I want part of Beasley
Major headcase.
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Gordan Ryan
should say NO part
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
Same could be said of JT as of late
Letting his emotions take over his game.
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Yeah
But the last I heard, JT hadn’t been sent to drug rehab after sending suicidal text messages and e-mails.
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Gordan Ryan
Different kind of mental issues obviously
And I’d rather hang out with JT than Beasley. On the basketball court though? I’d want Beasley at the moment.
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That was actually not the case
He was sent to rehab for smokin pot which was part of the CBA mandated response after Beasley tested positive for that several times.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
An excellent spin job was done
after the fact. But these tweets are not the words of a guy with his head on straight.
“Y do I feel like the whole world is against me…I can’t win for losin” and "Feelin like it’s not worth livin!!!!!!! I’m done."
Take from them, what you will.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
Unless you were inside his head it doesn't change the facts.
He didn’t go to rehab because of those tweets. He went to rehab for other reasons.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Pookey, Pookey, Pookey
How unlike you. Reread my post and you will see that I said he went to drug rehab after sending suicidal texts, not because of them. I leave it to the reader to draw their own conclusions if any.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
I read it.
I don’t agree with how you stated it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
That's okay
If you agreed with everything I said, I would be worried.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
It's not even that.
I just think what you stated was a bit disingenuous to what happened. That’s okay. We’ll never quite agree on this.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
My point was that
He went into drug rehab hours after posting tweets that were of concern even to people who knew him well. Were the tweets a result of being sent to rehab? Were they a result of the drugs he was admitedly taking? No one but him knows. I said that he went into drug rehab, not a depression clinic or suicide watch. But the point remains the same. In a matter of hours, he sent out tweets saying he didn’t know if life was worth living, and entered a drug rehab facility.
I don’t clame to know his inner thoughts. But I do know that if a family member of mine sent me those kinds of messages and had a drug problem combined with it, I would be very worried for their well being. I hope the kid has gotten over it all. He is clearly playing better. But I think every GM in the NBA would have to think carefully before trading for a guy who has clearly had issues. And those issues did not start in the NBA. He raised many concerns clear back in college.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
Understood and agreed.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
JT is also not spending more than he's making supporting an entourage
and buying a fleet of expensive cars
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
You sure of that?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Brocklate
You need to start making trades reasonable to both teams, not just one. If I were Miami, I wouldn’t trade Beasley for JT, especially not the way he’s playing now.
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Another good point
They shouldn’t trade him for JT and for what we would have to pay, he would be too big of a risk in my opinion.
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Gordan Ryan
Wow, I can't imagine the time and effort you put in, Thanks, and just Wow
I think the Kings go for another young big in the draft. And, just from our experience I see that player having minimal impact for a couple of years. So, I think the addition of a starting big who can contribute right away and mentor our youth is necessary.
I believe with the Arenas problem, and the salary cap issues, Washington is our best trade partner. I think that Jamison and Haywood both fit our needs and could be available separately.
I lik this trade: sorry about the link:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg4pxpq
It calls for Jamison & McGee for K9, May, & Sergio
Washington gets out of Jamisons 3 year contract, and gets $2M in saving this year and $11.6 next year, and a PG.
Sac takes on Jamisons thru 2011/2012 which should get our young bigs time to develop, and we also get a backup Center with potential and shot blocking skills.
Or, this trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhseo58
Which has Haywood and Blanche coming over for K9, Sergio, and Brockman.
Kings get a starting Center, and a backup PF,
Washington get a PG, a young prospect and cap relief.
I know that a lot of people here think highly of Brockman but if we draft another 1st round big, Brockman is only going to be the 4th big on the team next year, and that mean fewer minutes. With the trade the Kings get a defensive minded starting center and backup PF to replace Brockman. Then with the draft we end up with 5 solid bigs next season, and we’re still under the salary cap.
There are very few trades that don’t involve the Kings giving up young talent or draft picks, neither of which are in the best interest of the rebuild. both of these deals improve the front court. Now, if only Washington found them interesting.
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Exactly
Often the best trading partner is the team in turmoil.
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Gordan Ryan
I don't know if I like having Jamison around for that long
I like the Haywood/Blatche trade though and think it could be possible.
Here’s another thing about the Kings getting a good shotblocker on their team: It helps Tyreke Evans. If he has to play against a good shotblocking interior presence during each practice, he’ll learn to finish better at the rim, protect the ball better, etc. I think it would be good for the whole team.
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Same things could be said for Spencer and Jason.
Neither of those guys really has any competition at the rim in practice.
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Also
I was watching a Jazz game the other night and watched Boozer set an inside pick against his big man as Williams drove to the rim. We don’t do that for Evans. We stand back and watch everyone collapse. I love to see some guys blocking out their men when Reke drives.
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Gordan Ryan
Two years after this one and the last he's expiring
He offers consistent scoring at the PF position, from inside or outside. That forces teams to defend him and removes one less defender who can sag off and on to Tyreke. Also, he’s been pretty health the last few years and doesn’t seem to pose a health risk considering his age.
Plus, I think Washington would be more willing to deal him than Haywood who might resign at a reasonable price. It’s also rumored that Cle is interested in him, and don’t know what they’re willing to offer.
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Sorry
You can’t convince me its worth it to acquire Jamison. I just don’t see it working for us.
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I've also thought Blatche has some interesting potential
both as a rebounder and as an offensive threat too when he attacks the rim (which is often). Good athlete, strong and can hold his own in the paint. I don’t think the Wiz have really given him his due.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Blatche is a very interesting prospect.
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I'd take him.
He’d cost less than McGee too.
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In a what-it-would-take-to-pry-from-WA-cold-dead-fingers kind of cost.
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Blatche has issues with maturity and focus
now McGee looks like a real deal and I think a great fit with Hawes.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 27, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
that exclamation point was really unnecessary
But c’mon! Hookers! That’s Hugh Grant territory right there.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
did you say hookers?

(ths was both a GP and NYK tribute pic)
by betweentheeyes on Jan 27, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
I think I see his right nut in that pic.
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heuvos and ojos
muy bueno!
bonus question: for a dollar bill, can anyone identify that guy? Until recently he was still active in New Jersey though he hails from Missouri. He is the most famous Princeton basketball product (Sorry GP, Sorry Coach Carrill).
And jj – when they told you to keep your eye on the ball, they meant the Spalding version.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 28, 2010 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
Tough one to figure out
Hmm, right click on picture. Click save as. And the pic is called, Bill Bradley. What the . . .?
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Princeton 42
His jersey was retired last year.
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Too much work
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by SavageBeast on Jan 28, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
You could just perhaps know who bte was referencing.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
knowlege what a unique concept!
and for a dollar bill was indeed the hint. Bill Bradley was dubbed Dollar Bill Bradley because he signed the biggest rookie contract ever at the time: the ungodly sum of
$100,000!
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muhahahaha! (sorry, sounded like a Dr. Evil moment)
by betweentheeyes on Jan 28, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
knowlege is the internet equivalent of knowledge
I misspelled it to show my uniqueness
by betweentheeyes on Jan 28, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
I concetrated so hard on the Dr Evil pic that I forgot what you said.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
That's why he'd cost less.
If you want shit for free, don’t complain about the dents! or, in some cases, the EVIDENCE tags.
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I think I would rather Jamison and Mcgee for K9, Sergio and May. Offers them same 2 in savings, they get more cap release at end of year.
I know people around here do not want to get rid of Brockman because the energy he brings in. I think very soon he will be coming into his own offensively and that combined with the D and the rebounds could be a great backup for the 3/4 spot in case of injury or just to go fetch the rebounds.
I can also see him setting really good picks which is something I would love to see the kings work on with him and Tyreke/Martin
Judgment day is coming!
Take McGee/Blatche out
And even then – I’d want more prospects coming back.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
And the chances of that happening?
Nada.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
You are right that Cakes is the 4th big
but I think he gets more minutes than a typical 4th big because his game is not prototypical center. He goes in to board, bang and beat the other teams bigs up. I was surprised that of the guys who responded to Aykis, most were aware of Brockman and many coveted him. Plus it never hurts when you are a coach favorite. When Brockman’s offense gets a little better and it will, I don’t see him getting many DNP-Coach’s Decision which is going to be the title of Hilton Armstrong’s career if indeed he even sticks in the league.
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
People's love affair with hustle players, is charming
but, hustle in the NBA isn’t enough. JR has said that Brock needs to hit his outside jumper. And, David Thorpe said if he doesn’t have one by next year he may be out of the NBA.
Even with the lack of defense from the other bigs, there are still match ups that won’t allow Brockman to get playing time. Then you add a top lottery big along with JT & Spence, and maybe you have 10mpg open for Brock. He’s years away from being even a modest offensive threat, until then he’s at best a backup PF on any team even the Kings.
Whether it’s thru the draft, at the trade deadline, or next summers FA market, the Kings will be looking to add 2 more bigs. So, maybe Jon is the 4th of 5 bigs, but for how long.
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Lots of rebounders/defensive specialists don't have jumpers
Not that I don’t think an undersized guys like him doesn’t need to keep convincing the league he belongs by having other aspects to their games.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
But, are they starters?
Don’t forget that in his last 3 starts, there wasn’t a lot of defense.
Mia he went 6/5, but O’Neil went for 12/7, and Spencer was 14/7 off the bench.
Orl he went 6/6 but Howard went 19/15 and Gortat was 8/8
Atl he went 6/3 but Horford got 15/7
As a starter against other starters his numbers just aren’t that outstanding. He does better coming off the bench against reserves. But, in 35 games, averaging just under 14mpg, 2.9pts and 4.7rpg is just ok, His 19% rb% is impressive but his 16% turnover % isn’t. He’s giving back 1 out of every 5 offensive rebounds thru turnovers. And remember not evey offensive rebound leads to points. I know that’s not his fault, but just like Blocked Shoots the value of Offensive Rebounding can be overrated.
I like the guy too, and I hope that he get to stay in the NBA, But, he is not a defensive stopper at the center position, and unless he can put up points, I’ll have to go with Thorpe on this.
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The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Uhm...
The purest defenders that come to mind are Bowen and Battier.
Bruce Bowen 07-08 started 81 out of 81 games
Shane Battier this season has started 45 out of 45 games
They do have the corner 3 down fairly well, but they aren’t bigs either so I am not sure that applies to bigs. Seems that many bigs seem to play goalie and are less of an offensive threat though.
Also, perhaps I am confused… So, Brockman’s contract isn’t past this year? I thought it was a multi-year deal.. How can he be out in one year?
Both the same size as Brock but played SF and didn't defend centers
and wile Bowen only averaged 6ppg, Battier aver is more like 10. So, It’s really not the same.
ShamSports has Brockman signed only for this year. He has a $932K qualifying offer listed for next season. That’s more than Donte is due next year and his option was picked up. It’s also more than they paying May and Ime this year.
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I would be shocked
if Brockman’s not offered the qualifying offer.
Armstrong is a definite no, imo. Sergio is probably yes, but I’m not convinced, Brockman is a certain yes I would think.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Oh, I would too
HA for $3.85M ain’t happening. Sergio for $3.24M probably doesn’t happen unless they move Beno.
The Kings have 9 players under contract for next year. Add the #1 pick, and your still short 2 for the min roster. They maybe move K9 at the deadline or the cap space created by his expiring adds another player and we’re still only at 11. So, at $900K Jon is a reasonable price, to fill out the roster. And, he’s just as reasonable as May is this year.
But, then if next years he’s the 12th man, then we’re back to he’s not getting major minutes and he must develop an offense if he’s going to get consistent PT.
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I understand, but i look it as he is a 2nd rounder who is still a rook and is cheap. When and if we do bring in all these bigs, they will still be rooks and we will still need someone there to work it out. If we do make a trade having a guy that could sub in for 3/4/5 is an asset especially if Noc/May/K9 re in the trade
Judgment day is coming!
Not at the 3 he won't
But, look at it this way, if we draft another big in the 1st round, who would you want to see getting playing time. A future starter at the 4/5 or our 2nd round backup 4/5.
And, what would you rather do, stick with Brockman as the backup center, or trade K9 for a starting defensive center, and end up reducing Brockman’s minutes as the 3rd backup.
Which ever way it ends up going, I don’t see the Kings making a Qualifying Offer of over $900K to a backup with no offensive game.
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by HighTops on Jan 28, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yep...
Whenever pookey thinks I’m getting on Spencer’s case (which I admit has been more than a couple of times) he often challenges me with “so, who would you rather have then? Name me some bigs you’d rather have than SHawes”.
A fair enough request, so last summer I started doing research and targeted Blatche as one of the better rebounders per minute out there. Now I sort of track him in the box scores. He’s had some nice games this season but his playing time is inconsistent and the Wizards also have Javale McGee to consider.
I think Blatche would be a nice addition, and his upside could be considerably higher than most people think.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Use basketball-reference.com's advanced statistics
If you want to see how good someone is at something. Blatche is a career 14.0% TRB (means he grabs 14.0% of all total rebound opportunities). Spencer Hawes is a career 13.9% TRB rate with his dismal year this year.
Dwight Howard is the current active leader at 20.6% TRB% for his career.
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Interesting... I'll definitely check that out!
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
That's only half of it MM.
Now, what are you willing to give up to get said player. It’s nice to covet other players: I covet other players too. It’s just that I know there is a high cost to acquire these players.
Having said that, there is one way to get the best talent with the least amount of player cost: the draft. Always has been, and always will be that way.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Even then, it costs talent to build quickly through the draft.
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I thought it was good luck and bad losses
by betweentheeyes on Jan 28, 2010 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
It's all of that plus a partridge on a pear tree.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Sure
there’s always a cost, that’s true, pookey.
But one of the reasons I think Blatche is intriguing is that, despite the fact that he’s gifted with some pretty serious physical ability, and has already displayed that talent on occasion at the NBA level, I don’t think the asking price from the Wiz would necessarily be all that exorbitant.
I’ve checked in with the Wizard blogs a bit over the past few months and the opinion on Blatche seems to be split not among the fans but among the management too. He got in the middle of some really crazy crap out there early in his career, and though he’s seemingly towed the line for the past couple of years not everybody in DC is over it. The franchise has a lot of problems obviously, and there’s some call to do a complete Trailblazer style makeover.
Antawn Jamison has been road-blocking Blatche’s development, and the court time Blatche does get are minutes that some feel should be going to Javale McGee, another young player with quite a bit of raw talent.
I’d say I think of Blatche as an example of a potential plum that could be picked from another team’s tree because they’re getting tired of waiting for him to ripen. Now, maybe we don’t want a risk like that here in Sacramento, but the point is that he might be undervalued more by circumstance than due to his ability.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Blatche is definitely the right kind of risk Mucho
The Wizards games I’ve seen McGee has been the guy I’d really want, but Blatche has had his moments too. And I think you’re right in that Blatche you could probably get in some kind of fairly minor deal where the asking price for McGee would be significantly more.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
If the price was Hilton Armstrong for Andray Blatche
Then yes. But that’s not likely to be the price.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Great Post.
I really liked the Beno and Noc for Thomas and Hinrich trade.
Maybe we throw in a first and try for Noah? Hey, I can dream right?:)
Nice job Aykis
I was a bit surprised by all the interest in Hawes. I think it’s going to maybe pay dividends to let this group of guys play together for awhile.
Ba-da
Well Done
Although I do not recommend reading it on the Blackberry while trying to drive..Great work
Great Stuff
I liked the trade with Utah. That sounds like the best way to go for both teams. The Jazz get a scoring threat to help take some of the pressure off of Daron Williams and the Kings get an expiring contract, another draft pick (which is always a good thing with Petrie as GM), and Korver who is a great player who fills any need his team needs. The only other player I can see in this trade is Fresnko who would help fill an immediate need for the Kings.
Wow! You, dear sir, singlehandedly made me more basketball-savvy in one article.
I feel like you just raised my bball IQ by a dozen points…no mean feat, my friend!
Great work!
BTW, I like the Noce for Mason etc deal. Expirings…yummy… Not to mention Noce goes to a championship contender, subbing for the (currently) underwhelming Richard Jefferson.
There can only be one Noce!
I'm jealous, you lucky guy
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
Ok technically if it raised you to double digits
that meant you were no higher than 9…which means, given the premise, your highest IQ could be 21, which would still make you an idiot. But the good news is you’d be one of the smartest idiots on StR.
I never said it moved me to double digits...you did!
I was happily lounging at 14 IQ points when the added dozen points pushed me to 26.
You just made the assumption that I was at 9. That hurt, man…that really hurts…
There can only be one Noce!
Great stuff Aykis
These are the type of posts that truly deserve a “thank you!” Thanks for all the work you put into this piece. Definitely rec’d
I actually think that this may just put those asinine trade threads to rest. There’s really no need to make up “realistic” trade ideas anymore, you got what you need here.
I wasn’t surprise about so many teams wanting Kevin but I was very surprised about the interest on Spence. I think this just shows that as fans we can not only overrate and overvalue our players but we can also be their biggest critics.
The future begins now...
Say whaaaaaat....
No more asinine trades? Then how will I ever get feedback on my four team trade involving Memphis, Minnesota, Sacramento and Houston?
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
So I gotta ask
Is 54 recs some kind of record here?
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
I thought the Bill Simmons one was well into the sixties...
but that should be the only competition for the top spot.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
70
is the record
Problem is that because this is not a fanpost (front page article), not sure how we’ll remember it.
The future begins now...
To clarify
This is a front page article, not a fanpost, so it may not ‘qualify’ for most popular fanpost of all time. Check the link to see what I’m talking about
The future begins now...
It won't
But Aykis is already well qualified on that list anyway.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I was telling TZ in an e-mail
when he said it was at 30+ recs that I hope I don’t follow Brandon Jennings 55 point example, but I’m afraid its going to be all downhill from here :P
Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Yeah Yeah.
Until next time.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
75 :P
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
And David Lee is a near All-Star
You can see why people’d be intrigued.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I can see why.
I just don’t agree.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
This from the guy who wouldn't have minded a Carlos-Boozer for two years stopgap.
How is this much different?
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
I never wanted Carlos Boozer.
You’re confusing me with someone else. I never wanted David Lee either, but I suppose that’s not the issue here.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Yeah you did
Like late last year, weren’t you suggesting a three-year Carlos Boozer signing over the summer? A stopgap solution while the youth builds around him?
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
Uh no I did not.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
(I DO NOT WANT CARLOS BOOZER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. FOR ANY REASON AT ANY TIME. I DO NOT CARE IF CARLOS BOOZER BECOMES JESUS AND THE BEST HOOPER SINCE MICHAEL JORDAN. I DO NOT WANT CARLOS BOOZER.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I second Pookey's story
I would like to see a player of Boozer’s talent drafted by the Kings. After seeing how he ended up with the Jazz and how he has treated them, I admire him as a player but despise him as a person. I have stated in the past that I would be willing to take him. Pookey has never, ever, wanted Boozer. And he has made that VERY clear. You’re thinking of someone else when you say Pookey wanted to sign him.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
See? SB knows.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Aykis - you continue to be the young wizard of Str I think you must have stolen TZ's wizard cap when he was away on maternity leave or something.
Maybe I will just stick with the Harry Potter comparison. Rec’d, I made it 60.
Thanks for devoting the time and organzing this in an intellgent format.
To summarize: other Tyreke Evans: Kevin Martin and Spencer Hawes are most desired, the Casspi, JT following next., EC’s to follow, with Sergio at the caboose.
Not a lot being offered for not much being offered. I really would like to keep Kevin Martin as he is talent. Adding to his talent is the key IMO. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Kings don’t do more than dump some salaries for not much, not unlike last season, and wait until the draft and the summer. Why pay more unless you are really buying value?
Did Harry get that girl pregnant?
Darn.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
Phenomenal Work, Aykis
Well worth the time to read. I love Kevin, but pulling off that Utah deal or al jeff deal would be fantastic. Especially if we could sign away haywood to man the 5 with jefferson at the 4.
And I'm like one of the most ghetto-ist guys in the NBA. - Ron Artest
by Kingsfan banished to AZ on Jan 27, 2010 10:58 PM PST reply actions
what about
martin for the rights to rubio? rubio-evans…that would be a dangerous backcourt
Only to small children sitting in the first few rows
when that back court shot jump shots.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
by ForThree on Jan 28, 2010 5:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
WOW
Omri’s a better shooter than Kobe himself!!!
Honestly
Kings need 1 more super defender/shotblocker in the interior, and for ours players to get out of thier slumps…JT, Omri & Kmart..(Good to see Beno coming out of his mini slump in style).
Kings have a good solid base to build upon, and bench does seem deep this year. Apart from Noc (who has saved our butts a couple times this year…as well as a lot of bad form) and K-9, Hilton Armstrong etc I don’t really want to see many player trades made, especially since no solid quality players will come here (or us be willing to spend on)
would you be okay with some of these players if K-9 was the principle player on our end?
i know none of these guys are perfect but there are some short term good players
by wallywagon11 on Jan 28, 2010 8:08 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
K-9, Noc, Armstrong, Sean May etc I wouldn’t mind trading…..But JT, Hawes, Omri, Kmart…I mean unless its for a real stud player, it’s not worth it. All these guys have too much upside for now…all are young, and are gaining experience. I would rather say trade expirings and low end players for a decent defender/shotblocker to help our frontcourt, rather than trade them now, they ripen in a few years, then we be spweing we got rid of them. We have something good going here, still a lot of work, but a solid base to build upon. Our bench has even porven how deep this side can be when all guns blazin….keep most of them, let them gel, then we see how they go.
Incredible read!
Thank you Aykis!
You certainly earned your $$ with…er… wait… You SHOULD be getting paid for this!
Most interesting article I’ve read in months, bravo!
I was uncool before it was cool
Just re-read your post Aykis and all I can do it repeat what my 16 year old son said on a phone call last night; "Wow Dude, this is Epic"
This post is both an Epic and epic. Fantastic.
On review, one small trade with Memphis that makes some sense and works on so many levels is Sergio for Haddadi. First of all puts the first Israeli and Iranian players in the NBA together on one team and answers Rodney King’s eternal question "Can’t we all just get along? My guess is yes, so it could also contribute to world peace which is never a bad thing.
Secondly, you really can’t teach 7’-3" and Haddadi brings many of the same skills as Thabeet at a quarter of the price which might make lttg happy and also provide some skills (rebounding and shot blocking) that the Kings need. Haddadi does seem to have some ridiculous upside and at worst we could park him in Reno for the rest of the season and bring him back if any of our bigs get hurt.
The possibility for World Peace and making lttg happy while possibly making the Kings better at low cost and risk makes this a trade that Geoff Petrie should make immediately.
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
unless the issue of the Holocaust comes up, yes
by betweentheeyes on Jan 28, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm...Haddadi isn't German. But wait...if Kaman is one, I guess Haddadi could be one too...
There can only be one Noce!
uhh, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
by betweentheeyes on Jan 28, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
didn't think I needed to add it to my comment
(sarcasm)
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
Tremendous Work!
A new baby at home has relagated me to “occasional lurker” status, but no way I couldn’t “rec” this post! Like many, I’ll be re-reading this many times in the next 4 weeks…thanks for all the work.
Great job - Very user friendly
A lot of well-organized, easy to locate trade information on any team.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Thank You
I greatly appreciate the work that went into putting this together.

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