Threadiquette

is exactly what good moderation looks like. Thanks for doing it.

to complain about a lack of Game Preview at 1pm Pacific on game day?

Not that I am complaining mind you, only asking whether or not it would be appropriate…

but we don’t want to make it seem like a gated community either.

Also, I’m going to work on being more focused on what’s actually going on in the threads and whatnot. I’m easily distracted at times.

sims what makes u say that im an idiot

“u told me urself lol”

Typos are one thing, but I will always give stronger consideration to anything you say if you can demonstrate some basic understanding of what the English language ought to look like in print.

Whoops, broke a rule there myself!

Martin should be benched because he stinks

Section and Ziller do a splendid job on this site. Thanks for all your hard work.

Swearing because you don’t know who Jason Thompson is on draft day is wholly appropriate.

And I agree with this 1000%

We went through a phase last year where there were a ton of new posters…and about 90% of them were either Laker trolls or complete freaking morons. I believe it was one of the first times the site had been mentioned by Jerry Reynolds or the Rise Guys or something. Anywhoo…I think there were more than a few longtime posters that were ready to quit the site at the time.

This is a good reminder not to assign those sins to our new posters without a fair trial period. This group isn’t remotely close to what we dealt with back then.

So I pledge to do better – at least for the rest of today. After that, it’s all dependent on my blood alcohol content.

either Laker trolls or complete freaking morons.

is there a difference?

Does that mean Aykis is going to get in trouble for filling my “whip” with popcorn?

There are no "Hello Kitty" backpacks at StR

I can’t thank you enough for that. I am a massive fan of this site, but have found it very hard to be included in the discussion. I’ve mostly been ignored (thus spawning my Simpson’s-based sig line- all in the spirit of irony, not negativity) but was once ridiculed enough that I simply stopped posting.

Maybe I don’t bring enough substance, but one of my personal stories got picked up in the Bee, while getting nary a rec or a response here on a busy thread. I think I can occasionally contribute something of worth or humor, but damn it’s hard to get heard in this room.

But enough whining from me! Like I said, I’m a huge fan and read every single post, even if you haven’t seen me much. Big thanks to all who contribute!

Very shocking that you posted this 214. I’m thrilled to see it. I’ve been a member for years and started to get really into posting comments at the end of last year, but by the start of this season I just gave up. I couldn’t take all the smart-ass comments, jerks, and wannabe comedians. It was a real turn off. Too many people were coming off like life-less losers. Glad I’m not the only one who noticed this.

I’ve come to the realization that not everything I post is either funny or relevant, so I’m somewhat part of the problem. I’ve never really worried about a response from others, but I am someone who wants to contribute to the discussion in meaningful ways, so for the most part I just stay in the background unless I think I have something to say (unless I’ve had a few, then all bets are off and I apologize.)

Generally, I get my King’s news here because it is the most enriching Kings coverage available. The regular contributors here write thoughtful, generally fact-based stories that rival major publications.

Not to mention, you’ll never find threads where we try to find nicknames for Omri anywhere else. I’m still laughing at some of the stuff that was posted in that thread. To all the regulars here, thanks for all the great coverage. I’ll try not to taint your efforts with stupidity.

Yes, I said “taint”.

I am glad to see it address the hazing. Hazing on this site is a problem. Just because somebody is new to the place and/or posting for the first time doesn’t mean they should be jumped on and antagonized.

I think that the regulars on here are good people, but from some it just comes off as hazing. At times the hazing is worse than what was originally posted.

People that post for the first time or two get burned and often you don’t see them again. Admittedly, this often isn’t a big loss if their opinions are misinformed and they just come on to give people grief…

Overall though, the whole hazing thing is unfortunate as I think it pushes away too many people who would be good contributors. It really is, StR thrives when more people come, read the posts, and are able to add insights.

If they follow the guidelines above it would help.

We do love our meta.

How timely….

I join STR today and a threadiquete refresher appears.

I corrected and deleted my response, and in the process wiped out 27 ft’s and otis’ response to my reply fail. Sorry, fellas, but it’s good to be the king.

because it really sets some rules and kinda gives us the main guidelines of the community.

I look at StR like a huge house party for Kings fans. Everyone is invited and the doors are open for anyone who wants to contribute. That being said, you don’t come into a party and start getting into arguments, insulting people, and driking all the beer as soon as you enter the place. If you do that in real life, you’re probably a douchebag.

You gotta get to know the people already there; maybe some aready have relationships. If you’re a new person and start getting in to a unpopular argument, it’s just human nature that those wo already know each other would back each other up. If you haven’t taken the time to learn what these people are all about, then don’t expect anyone to give you respect. If you keep continuously asking where the beer is, instead of looking, people will get pissed at you because you are not taking the time to look around and learn about whats already going on inside this place.

If what you are talking about doesn’t make any sense, then expect people to call you out on it. If these place you’re attending has high standards already established then try your best to meet them or else you will be ridiculed and attacked. If you were actually at a party and kept talking crap without having anything to back it up, you’d probably get punched righ in the face

IMO the biggest problem with some new people is that this is an already established place for Kings fans. No one here has to change for you, you have to adapt to what’s already here. This is a great communty where you can learn awesome stuff about the Kings and basketball as a whole. If you want to stick around is up to you.

We were all new at some point and many of us never had one single problem with any of the “older contributors” at the time. I’m really tired of the whole new vs. old crap. If you don’t like it and can’t take the jokes, the sarcasm, or the arguments then just leave. There’s always that X in the top right corner of the screen.

As far as etiquette goes, I like the way this place works. (Which is why, despite several times of not commenting for stretches, I still keep coming back. Maybe one day…. Sigh.) Anyway, the etiquette allows people here to express themselves in a way you agree with, but I’d rather people make that as a personal choice rather than create a standard. Creating standards is very difficult, and then things do become contentious.

214 mentioned Blazers Edge. They are a great deal more strict, and I promise if I was a Blazers fan, as good as it is, I wouldn’t have bothered to stick around with the moderation rules they’ve set up. It’s fine as a once in awhile thing when I’m going into someone elses house; but all the time? No fuckin way. Ain’t happening. Again, not Dave or Ben’s fault (it was Dave’s rules long before Ben came around), but that’s the way I am. I don’t like censorship, nor will I ever. I don’t accept censorship of others easily (and this even comes down to little things like editing out “goody good bullshit” out of Pink Floyd’s “Money” irritates me everytime I hear it on public radio), and I accept it less of me. That’s not to say I don’t accept reasonable treatment standards of others. People will tell you that as much abuse as I dish out, I at least take that much from many of the regulars already. People give me enough shit (usually V but there are plenty of others) to last everyone else several lifetimes. It’s not like I’m Mary Fucking Poppins okay?

On the other hand, I hate it when new people say" My opinion isn’t important to you." You know what? You’re absolutely right. Until you become important enough to pay attention to, I don’t simply care enough about you to really worry about it. I got too much other things going on (even though it seems like all I do is consistently comment on here).

If people want their opinion to be respected around here, do something to earn respect. Bring up a different viewpoint that isn’t brought up (which is very difficult as I don’t bring things up for that very reason myself), and learn how things are done.

Eddie touched on an important aspect that I think enough new people sort of miss out on: StR is like an online bar. And, yes, occasionally things get heated and people get mad. And people argue. And people have a good time most of the time. That is the point, right? There are a lot of people that I would have not minded knocking around with a beer bottle over the head a few times. If there’s one good thing about the web, and this particular format, the full truth can come out, and the distance is a protection for all of us in those most heated moments. Then, as most things, life moves on and a different drama and different anger comes out.

As far as this community goes, and I know this will seem wrong to say, but I’ll run the risk of saying it anyway. This community was built by the many of people who contribute comments, fanposts, fanshots and overall culture of StR. As influential as TZ is in the general blogging community at StR and elsewhere, he is not the driving force behind this community and how it works. Don’t confuse this with not being the driving force of StR itself; he is very much that. It’s just that in general he writes his pieces, and spends very little time interacting with StR as a whole. It’s neither bad or good (I would say it allows for the unique voices of this place to spread their wings), and I don’t think it makes a great deal of difference anyway. I just point out that the StR culture of commenting, other than moderation standards (which I did help usher in—you’re welcome everyone), is generally set by the bulk of the people who comment here. And, with all due respect, there are a lot of worthwhile thoughtful individuals who make up opinions of this place. Anybody who says StR is made up of TZ’s opinion, and his alone, is lying. They clearly don’t read this place too often. But, I’m just stating the obvious here. (Or it should be obvious.)

This is for all the people who complain about StR and the way you’re treated: You could have nobody here to complain about you. I remember those days. There are times where you would be ignored because there wasn’t that many commenters here to worry about the likes of your sorry asses. So, in a sense, your complaint that StR doesn’t take you seriously is a function of the size that StR has becamse over the last 3 years. You’re complaining that your voice is lost in a big sea of unique and different voices. The irony is that most, if not all, were not making these complaints back in June of 2007 when this site had considerably less traffic. Which is why I chuckle at the idea of your opinion getting lost in the “avalanche of opinion” here. Your opinion isn’t being lost because of the increased traffic; it’s lost because your opinion sucks.

As several people have already mentioned, making a comment and not having it responded to isn’t a sign of being ignored. It may mean people have nothing to add or there is a lot of busy things going on and people don’t notice it.

As far as new people, I agree with the “Hello Kitty backpack point”. What I disagree with that every new person deserves a right to be heard based on their being new. I do agree with the right to be heard reasonably before the pitchforks come out, but really, the pitchforks don’t come out over every new person. I can, personally, tell whose new depending on the recognition of the name. Some names I know lurk, and others I don’t recognize at all. It is very easy to tell whose new, and who isn’t. That being said, plenty of people when they join come in with realistic expectations and manage to contribute to the blog not only adequately, but well.

Take WallyWagon for instance. He’s relatively new (joined within the last 50 days or so), and lurked for however long. Yet, he’s managed to make a niche for himself by being thoughtful when he comments. Not every comment is thoughtful; not every comment is perfect. Plenty of people sparingly comment, and that’s perfectly fine. One of the longest tenured commenters, Carl, has less comments total since 2005 than I do this year for instance. Despite what some may characterize as disingenuous, I think quality over quantity reigns supreme.

But really stuck out about Wally was what he said (and I’m paraphrasing): He just came to comment about the game in game threads and have a good time. Wally, as I said, had been here for however long and could figure it out. Clearly, he’s not suffering from a delusion that people here are out to get him. And, I think his point about game threads are exactly what I like about them: they’re usually fun and light. Nothing too heavy or difficult. Plenty of people complain, others try to note what’s going on, people crap on the officiating (as every fan in every sport does), and anything else.

Last but not least, I’ll leave it at this. I remember when things like Ron Artest not feeding his dog (or not paying something competent enough to do that), drew 65 comments in a thread, and 30 of them were from me. This sites gets at least several thousand comments DAILY (sometimes more) on a consistent basis. The diverse, intelligent, active participation of the longtime readership is one of the several reasons I continue to be active. Without that, most of this place is a forum for self-masterbation. Nothing wrong with that, but I don’t wish to partake in such action. There are people who, literally, are from around many corners of the world, live in many different parts of the world, many participants are from different parts of the US—not just Sacramento—and we all manage to discuss something so clearly important in our lives: The Kings.

So, have a beer and chill the fuck out already. You people who are crying are stupid idiots. And you should shop at the Diamond and Gold Vault…..

There will be problems with something… some where… all the time (I hate using all inclusive words like always but in this case it applies) This forum is no different… this is the internet.

So some will defend the pack to say what they want because they were here first or whatever… so you adapt to US… ROARRRRRRRRRR… OK… that seems like many a movie about high school drama or gang attitudes… strong when many… weaker then shit when standing alone defending the very same attitude or words outside of the protective confines of the keyboard.

Pookeyguru says he would love to be able to smash a beer bottle over some skulls… and that the internet puts the space between us to give us space which protects us … yet that very space also emboldens others to say things that they would not say to others face-to-face, they now have a risk free ability to taunt, insult and piss on people without the recourse of getting their teeth smashed so far down their throat that they would have to eat their next meal with their ass. So the internet protects everyone in some fashion… sometimes it protects us from ourselves.

Some NEWBS will come on here and vent about the Kings and their frustrations and debate heavily with the OP over PT or ball hogging or what ever as though they have known the OP forever… then get their teeth handed back to them and are pissed off or have hurt feelings (raises hand!)… the newb not grasping the reality that if you bust into some strangers living room ranting that the same thing would happen… so I fully agree that when new to the environment tread lightly… lure the familia in with some quirky, entertaining or thoughtful quotes… then go off! (Hey a little established ground is better then none)

The internet skews ones perspective of life, and for some it is the only life they have… its a great outlet but it also can be addicting… and honestly the more time you spend on it, the more you disconnect from real life… don’t take it seriously… and when you take the internet happenings too seriously… well… that is where you get skewed.

I understand the message albeit I was slow on the uptake… I mentioned it only becuase some present your message in a different manner, and it is also received completely different.

If you re-read what I wrote you will also see where I threw myself under the bus for blasting in on a topic when I first arrived (validating your point)… I was lacking common sense and already being on a war path from some crappy days events… well… the outcome was pretty obvious and predictable, had not my ass been buried so far up my poop chute already! :)