Post-Game Thread: Kings at Jazz
by Tom Ziller on Jan 29, 2010 8:38 PM PST
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K-Mart with 33 points on 10/18 shooting + 7 rebs
"Oh boy! If you don't like that you don't like Kings basketball"-Peaches
and tyreke had 25 points on 6/14 shooting with 6 assists
"Oh boy! If you don't like that you don't like Kings basketball"-Peaches
No.
Thank God for the many things you can mix with tequila.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
Like Shawne Merriman.
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by iashwash on Jan 29, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Yes!
Rec’d
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jan 29, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
Thats great
"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"
-Chris Rock
We need a better big man!
I love our back court very much
You can't blame Spencer
if he’s not on the floor.
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by section214 on Jan 29, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Thank You
22 minutes. 9 boards? Millsap 14 boards and Spencer doesn’t play the fourth quarter?
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
I dont understand that at all
How can Spencer get his confidence up when he does what he is supposed to do to then sit and watch his team get beat in the fourth?
by MichaelMack on Jan 29, 2010 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
Yay Kevin and Tyreke!
Boo JT and Beno =(
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Tough loss
but a much better performance than we’ve seen recently on the road.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Charlotte not withstanding I suppose.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
What will we discuss now?
How the Kings suck.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
"Hmmm, Kevin Martin was productive. "....
….and the Kings produce a loss….
should…should i rub his nose in it?
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I don't think Kevin would appreciate that.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
autoban, please
watch the game before you blame Kevin Martin. I mean, come on. Just a little ridiculous
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
So you're unhappy the Kings lost by 7 points instead of, say, 20?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
And then people complain
about some of us getting pissed at any “trade Kevin Martin” post. This is why!!
The future begins now...
I've just had it with poor officiating
I mean, its just impossible to win close games that way. I literally stopped watching after that Millsap lucky fade away crap garbage shot.
I think Westphal was trying to teach something by keeping him in there, and I hope he learned it, because it cost the kings a W
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
I hope this puts an end to the trade Kevin talk
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
ha
Try to stop the Nile with a boulder. It’s a big, impressive boulder that could stop alot of things and produce alot of useful things, but there’s no stopping the Nile.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt
needed to be said.
because it is a saying. Otherwise, not so much.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 29, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
It won't.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
everyone not named Tyreke is on the trading block
get used to that til the Kings are actually good
by Pollard4LIfe on Jan 29, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Jazz always seemed to have an answer
Kings were pretty sloppy on the boards, not every game is against the Warriors it seems.
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Jazz executed well
AK had a horrible game and in the end, AK did what AK does.
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I thought AK47 had a pretty good game tonight all things considered.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
AK47
had a really good first quarter, Noc played him well in the 2nd half though
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Maybe I'm mixing it all up.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
My first time questioning Westphal
Hawes took a seat as a result of the match ups that Sloan put on the floor. When Okur sat, Hawes sat. Given the fact that no one could stop Millsap, why not give Spencer a try? And then how about posting up Spencer against the small lineup, or at least running him out of the high post to open up the middle for offensive boards?
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completely, utterly agree
rather than letting sloan dictate things, why not go at spencer and make them adjust. there is no doubt that the kings offense is rather predictable atm
by thisismellow on Jan 29, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
Well said.
That’s going in my recap as well.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Hawes wouldn't have stopped Milsap
Wasn’t it just like 20 minutes ago that Hawes said he wasn’t good at defense and has no intention at getting better at it?
by Pollard4LIfe on Jan 29, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe not
But nothing else was working, and Hawes was playing well. So what do you have to lose?
And I do not believe that Hawes said that he wasn’t good at defense and had no intention of getting better at it, but perhaps I missed that quote.
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when we go small
and have 4 wings plus JT I am thinking Hawes might be the better big. He spreads the floor better because of his passing and what he gives up in athleticism he makes up for by being a 3 point threat, which JT isn’t.
Section214 is my hero. Good shakes!
Rebounding
Spencer is outrebounding JT 2-1 in the last 5 games. Seems to be a smart move to have him on the loor.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
or floor
i’ll put it down to blurred vision at 1:20 in the morning. Not that i’m implying it’s induced by alcohol, it could just be late
"every once in a while a kernel of truth...uhh... corn is revealed in my usual pile of poop" - betweentheeyes
And Spence has played way less minutes as well.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Obviously what we're going to discuss now
is how Martin isn’t a winning player, because he kills the offense of everyone else, when he’s selfishly getting 33 points on 18 shots.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
I hope that you are being sarcastic
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
yes. he is.
I remember our previous conversation, so I’m not going to reply with an equally sarcastic remark.
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sarcasm? Because this is a bad rebounding team about to face a good rebounding team, a bad defensive team about to face a good defensive team.
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They do only have 4 road wins
so we have that going for us
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 29, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
And they're playing in GS right now.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
They beat Phoenix on the road.
That’s impressive.
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I only caught a few bits of the game...
But I did notice May getting some court time.
Any idea why he suddenly gets PT?
may was pretty good
he hit down shots i expected him to hit, and shots i didnt expect him to hit
still gotta improve that d though
by Surprise Team on Jan 29, 2010 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
he's looked okay
and really, who else is there?
by thisismellow on Jan 29, 2010 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
He got Brockman's minutes when JB was hurt,
and played well enough to earn some more burn.
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Has Kenny Thomas returned to the oubliette?
by betweentheeyes on Jan 29, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
I missed the game - down here in LALAland
I went directly to the post game thread. I get that Kevin Martin has returned with the butter and Tyreke is the bread – what else happened?
or must I wait for TZ’s recap tomorrow?
by betweentheeyes on Jan 29, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
We have a top Lottery pick and a proven swingman for our backcourt
and two (three?) very inexperienced frontcourt players with loads of potential.
Today, potential didn’t compute on the scoreboard, Jazz win.
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I wrote a post last night then deleted it
my take on the Kevin/Evans mish-mosh: (the short version)
Martin only gets traded if Evans doesn’t perform. The face of the franchise has changed it is now Evans > Martin. Martin has time to come back to his standard. The pairing doesn’t work only if it lessens Tyreke. Otherwise, Kevin stays and they work it out.
Wow, that was easier than a whole post.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 29, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
every once in a while
a kernel of truth corn is revealed in my usual pile of poop
by betweentheeyes on Jan 29, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
may looks different
than he did earlier in the year to me, more in shape or something.
just my unfocused opinion
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 29, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
he was always in shape
Round is a shape.
by Rickyflip on Jan 30, 2010 1:42 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
geometrically correct
and therefore rec’d
by betweentheeyes on Jan 30, 2010 7:23 AM PST up reply actions
I hate to be a negative Nancy, but I think JT should be benched.
I think it is time to sit him like Hawes. Not a punishment just a tweak until he gets his mojo back.
defense on millsap
i didnt really see if kenny thomas was in uniform, i saw armstrong and garcia behind the kings bench in street clothes so obviously inactive
if thomas was in uniform, i dont understand why he wasnt given a shot.
if not, completely disregard this comment.
by Surprise Team on Jan 29, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
He's a 2nd year player and he's only 23
patience.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 29, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah but
I don’t think he’s gonna grow into his body or gain any gerth, wasn’t he a 2 guard until his senior year in h.s. And if he does put on weight or muscle don’t you think it will affect him for the worse?
PG, actually
and no. Just think of the way he started the season. That’s his upside. I’ll gladly wait out this year and the next hoping he grows into it.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
just for reference
in Nov and Dec, he averaged 15.3/9.6 and 16.6/8.9, respectively
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
he was averaging 14 and 10 a good way into this season
he’s struggled lately, but those are good numbers. 13.4 and 8.7. Those are solid numbers. He’s not far away from being a very solid PF
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 29, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
you hope his right what?
/pet peeve
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
For some reason ESPN lists him as a C, here are the PFs
JT’s 8.7 boards puts him 8th in the league behind: Camby, Randolph, Bosh, Boozer, Odom, Martin and Scola.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 29, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
And his 13.7 pts put him at 19th.
All in all, an average starter, I’d say. And he’s only in his 2nd year.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
patience
may take a couple of years, but we aren’t a playoff team this year anyway.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 29, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
This
he’ll learn. He may never be a great defender, but if he starts putting up 17/10, no one’s gonna really care.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
The two man game
with Tyreke/Kevin was interesting and good, I can’t help but think adding Hawes to the mix on the strong side in the high post could be useful.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
And yes yes yes.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Yes +1
I get sick when I think we could ave drafted Millsap instead of Douby.
Hindsight is rarely useful.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
No, the Tao of Poohkey!
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 29, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Well done Kfan.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
You don't have work today?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
It's Saturday here.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 29, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
so, no.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 29, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
That's what I figured.
But since when do I know your work schedule mayne? LOL
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
:=)
“Those who have no compassion have no wisdom.
Knowledge yes; cleverness, maybe; wisdom no.
A clever mind is not a heart”
Winnie the Pooh
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
That's why he's Pooh the benevolent now.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Down deep inside, you have a heart.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Only to pump blood.
But have compassion? Nah.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Millsap was drafted 47th overall in 2006.
That’s the 17th pick in the 2nd round. Not exactly a guy the Kings were the only team to miss on. (Hell, the Jazz didn’t even take them with their own 1st round pick.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Oh and the Jazz used their 1st round pick on Ronnie Brewer, their starting SG, that year.
So, in fact, the Jazz got 2 high quality rotation players out of one draft.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Agreed
Bemoan the pick of Douby because Rondo, Lowry and Rodriguez were all available, and the Kings needed another PG. But Millsap was a crap shoot.
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Adding
Those PG’s were all available and eventual 1st round picks.
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I don't bemoan the pick of Douby at all.
I’d rather be the position the Kings would be in than they would be if they had to trade Rajon Rondo. I also think Rondo isn’t as valuable because he isn’t playing with 3 HOF’ers as he has been in Boston for most of his time there.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
i won't use the porno film reference here
too easy
by betweentheeyes on Jan 29, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Only you bte.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
somehow, I am content with my content on that one PG
hey, i am going to see the Clips v Kings at Staples (Ms. bte bought tix). It will be the Saturday after the trade deadline.
The Jazz out frontcourted the Kings tonight?
by betweentheeyes on Jan 29, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
Sadly yes.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Ouch - that's a painful thought
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
You had me at hello.
wrong references piss people off.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
im sure a loss would do nothing to change their tunes
gotta admit, mine is in the wrong key atm
by thisismellow on Jan 29, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
played the first 4.5
sat the rest of the game
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
and that also confuses me
i can imagine their are some weird thoughts going on in some of these young brains
by thisismellow on Jan 29, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
I posted a week ago
if Paul Mislap (32 pts/ 14 rebs/ 7 asst) was our starting PF and not JT (7 points / 4 rebs / 6 fouls/ 3 TOs ) the Kings would have a .500 record….anyone care to disagree?
JT was schooled all night and I wonder why PW had him on the court as much as he did? Why not give Donte Greene a chance to guard Mislap? It is not like we would miss JT’s offense. He has none. And I would have played Spencer more. Just because the Jazz go small does not mean we have to adept to whatever they do.
unfortunately he is not
and we aint gettin him
by thisismellow on Jan 29, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree
If Paul Millsap were starting for us, he would not be “defended” by us, and that would impact his numbers greatly.
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by section214 on Jan 29, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
everything Milsapp touched turned to gold
even when he shoved his opponent, coins rained from the ceiling and fell through the rim
by thisismellow on Jan 29, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
I like Paul Millsap as a player
But the King are not a 500 team with him. That’s just insane.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
What was interesting
is that Millsap was a zero in our first trip to Salt Lake despite getting plenty of burn. He was a beast tonight. That Kevin Martin guy is pretty good, too. And I though Tyreke and Kmart started to play off each other a lot better. The offense with Kevin at point guard was also interesting.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 29, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
You could tell
there was a lot of teamwork between Kevin and Tyreke, they looked for each other a lot.
by MichaelMack on Jan 29, 2010 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
Brockman needed to play more
and so did Donte. We always make runs with them on the floor because of their defense. Yet I barely saw them today
I agree with Donte
Brock was getting had by the posterchild of all undersized big men
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
Brockman had 5 fouls in 12 minutes
and got beaten repeatedly by Milsap and FWIW, Donté was getting torched by AK early
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 29, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
I was suprised
That Brock didnt match up better with Milsap, he was no match.
by MichaelMack on Jan 29, 2010 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
PW's words indicate his big disappointment with defense
That cost us the game.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
yeah, PW's disappointment really not doing its fair share for the team.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
I am just wondering if this was a message to management that the team needs to bring in a big man.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I'm pretty sure management's aware.
They’re probably thinking about two years from now though. (Hopefully they are anyway)
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
I a sure they are too.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
As luck would have it
this year’s lottery is supposed to be loaded with big men.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 29, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
I mean that in a literal sense.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Well the one good thing
is that was the real Kevin Martin out there tonight. Welcome back Kevin.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Hmmm...
Spencer should’ve stayed in. Wasn’t putting up big points but he was rebounding like his buddy Brockman. JT on the other hand should’ve been taken out before he fouled out. 4 rebounds is unacceptable. He got abused on the boards by Millsap.
I’m glad to see that now that Kevin’s playing well Beno’s sucking again. Kidding of course. Its too bad he had an off shooting night. And why the hell are the Kings shooting 20 three pointers when they’re obviously not falling?
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without going on and on and on
obviosuly he is stinking it up on offense atm, but this wouldnt be too hard to take if he was playing solid d. unfortunately he is often getting completely outplayed. it is a quandary right now that’s for sure
by thisismellow on Jan 29, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
Hawes has played well recently,
and he was playing well tonight, at least better than any of the other bigs.
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I still think he was one of the 4 best players the Kings had.
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Tonight I mean.
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Question: Kings top 5 players
Kevin
Tyreke
Nocioni
Casspi
JT
Hawes
????
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now or for the future?
Now, I agree with you, but just barely. For the future, Casspi/Greene pretty easily edge Noc.
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Beno would be in there somewhere
Not tonight, but in general. Donte and Udoka are not far behind. Brockman has been a little down lately, but is in the mix.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 29, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
more than 5 in order
Tyreke
Martin
Casspi
Hawes
JT
Greene
Beno
Noc
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 29, 2010 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
Were you talking about tonight?
Or in general.
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In general
If there was an expansion draft tomorrow and you could only lock up five players – who?
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Hmmm.
Reke, Speed, Hawes, JT & Omri.
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I very nearly left off JT or Hawes for Donte though.
But Donte is not as valuable right now.
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For purely athletic reasons and upside, Donte 5 JT 6
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Mine, exactly
With Greene in 6th. These are the guys with the greatest amount of value vs. their contracts, so those are the guys that you want to retain.
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Yep.
I couldn’t figure out why Donte was more valuable than Spence or JT, and Spence & JT are both bigs that you can’t easily replace. Donte, as athletic and valuable as he is, is not quite there yet. But, he’s surely not the pure project many thought he was just 3 months ago.
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Yeah but if you could trade Noc/Donte for Tyrus Thomas and some other Bulls Player (insert player here), would you do it?
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Well,
if you were going to do this, you would probably have to throw in Rodriguez to make the deal work. Losing Greene would sting a bit, but I really think that Thomas would slot in well here and make Hawes better.
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It would sting a lot.
Question is would Chicago do the deal?
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Great question
He’s been logging 22 a night for the Bulls in January. So the question would be, would the Bulls think that Noc > Thomas when it comes to their playoff efforts?
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It's an excellent question.
I actually think Donte could be a great stretch 4 in time if a team takes patience with him and gives the requisite time to let him develop. He has the work ethic, and understanding to do it. It’s just finding a team willing to let him have the growing pains it takes to take that next step and see if it can happen.
Then again, I’m not sure Chicago is smart enough to even have a philosophy despite their recent winning.
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And there's nothing stopping the Kings from throwing in Sergio in this deal.
That doesn’t ever stop them in their tracks one bit.
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might have to add
May to give them a big back. If PW keeps giving him minutes and he plays like has the last 2 games he’s a “cheap vet” instead of a “bust”. Slightly more attractive trade bait.
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I would be thrilled to take Jerome James and Tyrus Thomas for
Andres Nocioni, Sergio Rodriguez and Sean May. I would be fucking A you best your ass thrilled. In fact, I would promise to never sneer at Bulls fans for their great loss.
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(Well the folks at BaB anyway. I can't promise I wouldn't sneer at any other Bulls fans that irritated me.)
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And FWIW
Jerome James and Tyrus Thomas for Andres Nocioni, Hilton Armstrong and Sean May works on the trade machine. (I knew it would, but I wanted to make sure anyway.)
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Does Chicago?
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Jerome James is very much under performing, and just looks to be a EC at this point, TT has been getting a lot more minutes and doing more with them. Like someone else said earlier though it will be moving Hinirchs or Salmons contract to get them to bite on Noc.
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Yep that's very true.
The thing is that Chicago has about 37 mil & change in GUARANTEED salary for next season. There is little reason to take on Nocioni when they can keep Thomas and let him walk in the off-season. (Or even, god forbid, keep him.)
Chicago, if anything, will be trying to shed a major salary before the deadline (or you think they would be anyway) to get more room under the cap for next season. Of course, there is little incentive for other teams to help Chicago do that unless they sweeten the pot.
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Yeah
I would have to stab the GM that takes Greene though.
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by iashwash on Jan 29, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
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easy
Evans
Martin
Casspi
JT
Hawes
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actually thinking a little more
Greene/Casspi is close, but I think Casspi has the edge.
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I'm pretty sure mellow was talking about JT
I agree about Hawes and am not sure why he didn’t get more burn.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 29, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
sorry Section
i was referring to JT….safe to say I am well and truly on the Spencer bandwagon. Im riding that thing shotgun!!!
by thisismellow on Jan 29, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
All you people that wanted to run Spencer out of town two months ago
and are now working the trade machine to get some “value” for JT…
Relax, they’re young. JT will figure it out, he can be better than this. Give them time, and let’s keep both and see what the off season brings.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
i agree 43
no hasty decisions need to be made, the jury has not even entered the courtroom…but there are definitely some concerns (for me anyway)
by thisismellow on Jan 29, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
sure, be concerned, I am too
but I see two weeks of all the same trades people have been kicking around, with JT now substituted for Spencer in our future.
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lol that's a very good possibility
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
in no way wanting to open that can, so ignore me at your leisure
but if (a big if) one of those needs to go…for me it would be JT in a heartbeat and always has been. i really see some skills in spence that one day could make him very good. there is no doubt he lacks the hustle, energy and other intangibles, but sometimes i am amazed at the things he does at age 21 and at 7’ tall. but then again, i am like a proud father at times…i may actually change my name on here. SpenceOne?
by thisismellow on Jan 29, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
No! We need to trade now!
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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 29, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
McGrady!
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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 29, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
Spoken like the wise sage you are 4-3.
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Well okay.
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Musings
I wonder how Hawes and Tyrus Thomas would look playing together? Thomas is a pretty good defender – he is easily better than anyone that we put on Millsap tonight. Thomas’ defense, rebounding and shot blocking would be a nice complement to Hawes’ offensive skillset. Hawes can probably provide the bulk of the big man low post offense that this team is going to run, which won’t be much – most of our in the paint scoring is going to come from our wing players cutting to the basket or our bigger guards posting up smaller guards.
Just a thought.
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What does it take to get TT?
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I don't know
If the Bulls really want Noc, then Noc and Armstrong for TT and James (expiring)?
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Sho.
As long as Salmons ain’t coming back.
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Not sure he helps our rebounding
but I’m all for a 4 big rotation of Hawes, JT, TT and Brock
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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 29, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
He's got a rebounding rate of about 10 per 36 minutes this year.
But he also has a blocked shot rate of darn near 3 per 36 minutes, and he defends. MY thought here is that if Hawes is your center, you need a defensive minded PF. And vice-versa – if JT is your PF, you better get a defensive minded center.
I can see Hawes and Thompson as part of a big man rotation, but I just don’t see the two of them as a good fit as starters together.
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Bleh. No.
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I think JT is better served to start
And Spence to come off the bench as a 3rd big. It’s not all that big of a deal. Kevin McHale was pretty good doing that. Coming off the bench isn’t nearly what people make it out to be.
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Not much difference
Either way, I don’t think the Kings become winners overnight. It’s going to take a couple more great players to get this team winning. K-Mart and Tyreke is all the Kings have. Can’t win with only 2 players.
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And that could work, too
But JT needs to get better in the high post, and the yin to his yang would need to be a Dalembert or Chandler type. I think that this too would be an improvement over our current situation.
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I'm still pretty hot to trot over Favors to be honest with you.
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There should be help coming via this draft
But rookies rarely come in and make a defensive statement. I’m not saying that this team needs to contend for a championship next year, but at some time they need to bring some defense into the interior.
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I'm on this train.
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Get it? The Cole train? Get it?
I crack myself up.
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Well yes I know this too.
I just think getting a real interior defensive presence long term means you get real lucky in drawing a player like TT, or drafting a player like Favors and being patient with him as they’ve been with Hawes & JT.
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I would be willing, I think, to give up Donte to get Tyrus Thomas. I think.
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I would rather not have to, honestly
DG can be very important for this team if Casspi can accept a sixth-man type role.
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Of course not.
But in the real world making tough decisions on utilizing quality young players as a way to upgrade your team is one option you have.
I think Donte is definitely going to be considered in any trade with Tyrus Thomas.
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You bastard.
If this happens, I’m coming to WA.
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I'll buy you the first beer if you do come around.
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Do you live in Washington Pookey?
I live in Downtown Seattle
by MichaelMack on Jan 29, 2010 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
Yep I live in the U District.
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You can drive us down to PDX
To catch the Kings game then.
by MichaelMack on Jan 30, 2010 12:59 AM PST up reply actions
Heh.
I don’t have a car mayne.
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That's better than I would've thought
and I know he plays D, and I like him. I wouldn’t want to give up JT or Spence for him, but I’d love to give him an audition.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 29, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
I think Tyrus Thomas would be a very nice fit
Three concerns:
1) What’s he cost to get? If he ends up costing Donte for example, it might change priorities for our #1 pick. Of course getting Noc out of here is a bonus for everyone concerned.
2) What’s he cost to keep? What does his next contract look like compared to a FA?
3) Are we sure we want to do this now, or would it be better to see what our #1 turns into? That’s the only reason I can see avoiding giving up assets now.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
at the risk of helping make the post game part of the A.T.T. II (or III)
Ty Thomas is would be a nice acquisition, but the missing piece he is not ( I know you are not saying he is, this is a general reply) . He is another example of an inconsistent big with potential, hence the availability. The frontcourt roulette is already spinning with two balls – Shock and Hawes – adding TT means that when all 3 play well together the Kings hit the trifecta.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 30, 2010 7:42 AM PST up reply actions
Poor Sergio
Still in the doghouse. Udrih was terrible tonight (0/5). Greene with no second look after 4 minutes of play. Udoka is fine on D but on offense, he isn’t making any outside shot. 0/3 on 3-pointers? Wow.
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Was working so I didn't get to see the game
But from the looks of the boxscore it looks like Kevitron was finally scrapped and Kevin Martin made his debut and Tytin was great, Spencer played well in limited minutes, same with Omri, and everyone else was pretty terrible. Am I right?
I do have some issues with Westphal continuing to play JT more minutes than Spencer when Spencer has clearly resolved to working harder and is now rebounding at a better rate than JT for the last couple weeks or so, and is also the better defender (I don’t think thats an argument). Start Brockman or Noc for JT, and bring JT off the bench, see if that lights a fire under his butt.
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PW's response of "we thought JT would be a better matchup for Millsap" was crap.
PW doesn’t trust Spence for one reason or another.
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I have to admit I have been losing trust in PW
by MichaelMack on Jan 30, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not losing trust in him.
It’s going to take time, and I think the early season success has driven an expectation that PW is the magic answer to all that cures the Kings. I disagree with his decision to not try Spence on Millsap tonight, but that doesn’t mean I think he was a bad hire or that I think he’s done a bad job with this team as a whole. Quite honestly, I think PW is a victim of some of the expectations he has for himself and the team by fans expecting that this stuff happens overnight. It’s a huge process.
It’s amazing, but I’ll use MIke Woodson as an example (even if the analogy loses some of the translation because Woody is on his first coaching stint, and PW is on his third). When Woodson took over the Hawks in 2004, that team was bad. Like, seriously fucking A winning 18 games bad. And, the next year? Won 26 games. The fans of the Hawks were angry, even though this was the same team that lost 13 games 2 seasons prior with god awful ownership. The Hawks slowly built, despite the terrible misstep, throught the draft to the chagrin of Woody’s coaching record. Over the years, people have killed Billy Knight (the former GM of the Hawks who drafted Marvin Williams over Chris Paul) for not taking Paul The irony is, though, that the Hornets haven’t been much more successful than the Hawks have in that time.
Now, the Hawks could be a championship contender, and the Hornets are really stuck. Byron Scott who won the coach of the year in 2008 is now fired. Mike Woodson is still coaching the Hawks.
The moral of this story is that one day, or one month, doesn’t necessarily keep a coach from doing what they do best. Paul Westphal was the right choice in June, and I believe he is the right choice now. I have very few quibbles with what he’s done, and I don’t know if putting Spence on Millsap would have made a difference. I just wanted to see PW try a different combo than the players he was using. But that doesn’t make a difference.
Having said all that, PW is doing a great job, and I’m thrilled the Kings have won 16 games and seriously raised expectations. If you ask me, that’s an incredible complement to Paul Westphal, the coaching staff (Eyen, Elie, Robinson, Gates, Coachie, Reef), and the young players who are doing everything possible to win games.
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by pookeyguru on Jan 30, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
I agree
great post. Like Woody, Doc Rivers is another example of a coach that was heavily criticized until he wasn’t.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 30, 2010 1:40 AM PST up reply actions
Good call Kfan.
Doc River is another great example. He was practically fired until he got KG. Then, suddenly, he became a quality coach. Funny how quality players makes the coach and not the other way around.
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I don't disagree, but I do have another option
PW is looking to defensive minded players to quick fix the defensive problems. But, the biggest problem is the poor team defense. Price picked JT, and Millsap cut around JT into the lane for an easy layup, Martin was covering Price and didn’t switch. People were cutting down the lane off of screens and getting right to the rim with no weakside help. I could go on, but you watch the games, so you know what I’m talking about.
You can’t expect any one player to stop Millsap when his players are setting screens and picks for him and no one on the Kings knows how to defend them. Yes, I think Spencer should have gotten 36 minutes, and to hell with matching up with Sloans lineup. Spencer is our best weakside defender, not as athletic as Kirilenko, but Spence and Donte are the best we have. And, PW needs to start playing the best we have, instead of constantly throwing players into the game and hope that something good happens.
I would have played Spencer at center and Donte on Millsap in the 4th. Donte is a better defender than Noc or JT. If Sloan stayed small, than I go to Hawes on offense, and I let Donte and Spencer double on Millsap on defense. As they say, the best defense is a good offense. ;p)
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Ah, HighTops, I see you have quoted from the psalms of Nellie and Westhead
As they say, the best defense is a good offense. ;p)
As for Westie, PookeyG hit the nail on the head. rec’d.
Westphal and the team are drowning on the rising tide of expectation to some degree. There are so many ways PW is a win: record, team chemistry (locker room wise), playing the kids, his overall cost value, who he isn’t (Jordan, Saunders, Rambis), and mostly who he is – the guy has won me over big time with his attitude and avuncular pressers.
Defense is a big bugaboo. It takes discipline, time and discipline. Sloan, Popovich, Brown are three defense oriented coaches – all HoF-ers – and if they were to be magically transplanted to Head Coach in Sactown – they all might retire the defense might be significantly better, but with this young squad and 44 games in, it is a tough call.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 30, 2010 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
The irony is bte with regards to Sloan
That the Jazz biggest bugaboo the last few season’s was their defense.
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even though kevin did have an awesome game.
the chemistry isnt there anymore and the shot distributions arent even at … something needs to happen before the 18th
Like what should happen?
Any thoughts on idea’s on what “this” should be?
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Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Something needs to happen before the 18th...
Hmmm… Perhaps he means I should rent Zombieland.
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Have you seen Season 4 of Dexter?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Dexter is amazing, and Season 4 just left me staring at the screen for a good 5 minutes
Zombieland is on the list. I just watched (500) Days of Summer and it did nothing for me, and Transformers II which I stopped after 30 minutes (even Megan Fox is not that alluring – that is one embarrassingly bad motion picture).
PG – The Wire. Season One is good, the following Seasons are great.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 30, 2010 8:07 AM PST up reply actions
I've seen different parts of each season.
I wish I had the money to buy each season on DVD.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Yeah I might do that.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
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by section214 on Jan 30, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Brooks will always get a rec from me. :)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
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by Aykis16 on Jan 30, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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