How are Kings fans tortured? Let me count the ways...
I usually try to be pretty positive. I think the Kings have a bright future, and it sucks dwelling on our tortured past. But sometimes you've just got to ask for a little respect.
It's cliche at this point to criticize Bill Simmons, and a lot of the time I enjoy his work. His newest column discusses tortured fan bases offers the following discussion of the Kings:
2. That 35-year rule doesn't apply to relocations.
We just entered our sixth straight decade without the Royals/Kings franchise making an NBA Finals. But the Kings moved to Sacramento in 1984, making them ineligible for Level 1 because anyone who cares about them could start caring only 26 years ago. (And it's too bad, because the 2002 Western Conference finals unquestionably greased the skids for Level 1 status.) In 2019? They become eligible. No, Dick Bavetta didn't make this ruling.
Ok, whatever, I could deal with that. But then Simmons goes on to list the Portland Trailblazers in his tortured franchise list, explaining:
13. Portland Trail Blazers
Last Title: 1977.
Last Truly Devastating Defeat: 2000 Western finals, Game 7, when they blew a 17-point lead to the Shaqobe Lakers as Mike Dunleavy squinted in disbelief and Rasheed threw up bricks. Somehow, those two are still in my life on an everyday basis. Is there a reset button I can hit?
Rock Bottom: The height of the Jail Blazers era.
Additional Thoughts: Even though they shouldn't be eligible until 2012, I'm including them because of the many Drexler Era meltdowns, the 2000 collapse, the Bowie and Oden decisions, and the team's "only child" status in Portland. People in Portland are irrational about the Blazers much like a single soccer mom would be irrational about her only son. What do you mean he isn't starting today, Coach? He's the best player on the team! YOU JUST DON'T LIKE HIM -- THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT! They would not handle a Level 1 loss well.
This is where I must draw the line.
To be clear, I'm not going to try to figure out if the Kings are more tortured than the Blazers, or vice versa.But here's how I interpret the list: in order to be eligible you need a 35-year drought (not counting relocations)...unless you're the Blazers.
I'm a Kings fan, so I'll admit my bias, but I fail to see a big difference between the Kings and the excuses Simmons offered for the Blazers.
Aside from the 2002 Western Conference Finals, consider the following parallels:
- Well, the Kings didn't have Drexler meltdowns, but that's because we never had anyone as good as Drexler. We talked ourselves into Mitch Richmond as a franchise player, does that count? (Apologies to Richmond fans, I was just never really sold on the guy.)
- Bowie and Oden are tough to compete with. But we did draft Joe Kleine over Karl Malone, Chris Mullin, Detlef Schrempf, and Charles Oakley. And Pervis Ellison over the likes of Shawn Kemp, Tim Hardaway, Glen Rice and Sean Elliot. To add to all of this we also dealt with the Ricky Berry suicide, which wasn't really a big deal to the media at the time because it was the Kings and it was 1989.
- Our 2002 collapse should cover the Blazers 200 collapse. Can we also throw in our shortfalls in 2001 and 2003?
- Only child status? It's Sacramento. C'mon. People don't really get very worked up about the River Cats.
- I would also throw into to our qualification as a tortured franchise things like Webber blowing out his knee (and his contract subsequently crippling the franchise for years), as well as last year's lottery. Every Kings fan KNEW that something would go wrong and we'd end up with the 4th pick. Tyreke Evans looks like it'll work out, but still.
- Oh, one last thing to mention, which Simmons even brought up: The Kings franchise has gone 6 decades without a title. The Blazers got a title in '77.
I'm not saying Simmons should have put the Kings on the list. I'm just saying that if the Blazers are on there, the Kings need to be too. Otherwise, he should stick to the rules that he up.
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Bill Simmons
is a tool. I value my 7 month old niece’s opinion more than his.
He’s probably bitter towards Sacramento cause of this.
by Dub_TC on Jan 30, 2010 7:30 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I like Simmons but he has a big city bias.
He is less the voice of the fan than he was before he started hanging out with Ben Affleck and Jon Hamm.
I stopped reading Bill Simmons a long time ago
He’s become a caricature of what he once was. He used to be awesome, and now he’s just trying to deliver what he thinks the people want. Just like Rick Reilly.
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Well said, and you didn’t even mention Bobby Hurley’s accident on your list.
I too enjoy reading Simmons’ writing, and had pretty much the exact same thoughts on this as you did G.
I also found it interesting that the Eagles made the list when the Phils won the Series in 2008, breaking another one of his qualifications (championship in the same city).
BTW, here’s the link for anyone interested in reading the whole thing.
Good call on the Hurley accident
Forgot to include that.
And thanks for linking the article, meant to do that.
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Assistant Editor fail.
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If nothing else....
…you have a banana for your tailpipe.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
LOL.
As a huge blazers fan…This article makes me hate bill simmons even more. Why cant we just play it season by season? Why doesnt portland get respect for our super depleted roster and starting C juwan howard(third string C) PF Aldridge (softest PF in the league) SF webster (never has fully developed much and very limited playing time after last years injuries hes starting over) SG roy….(meh cant really say nothing at all bout that except hes hurt alot this year playing way way to much at 38:17 minutes a game avg) and miller… dont get me started on him but one good game in boston now limited to 20mins a game as hes struggling. Most of our rotation players are our 3rd/2nd stringers.. can we get thrown a freakin bone for acctually being in playoff contention with 37 year old C most teams would be giving garbage minutes too?
However, I do belive the kings have had it worse. People are way to judgemental, stuff happens thats the way it is, however myself I judge my team but never would be one to demand players to be traded as they are our team. I.e. I understand some belive trading kevin martin would be best for sacto yet I have to disagree.
Once kevin/reke learn to play well together you will have one hell of a back court. Not to mention your players are starting to devlope greatly. Omri looks to be a great great new prospect as well to add to the list of others (hawes/thompson/greene/brockman((can we have him back? please!!!))
enough rambling, go sacto. So glad to see your team pulling it around this year and making a push to improve way way over what last year was.
by These Refs Suck on Jan 30, 2010 9:27 AM PST reply actions
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sorry its too eraly for spell checker
by These Refs Suck on Jan 30, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks
Like I said, I definitely wasn’t trying to take anything away from the Blazers. Hopefully both teams can be winning championships sometime soon and all of this will be moot.
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That isn't very likely G.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Prob not but
as fans of blazers/kings we bleed our teams colors atleast were not some f@kers right?
by These Refs Suck on Jan 30, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
BooHoooo Bill Simmons.
Oh yeah, it’s only Bill Simmons. Don’t care.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Jan 30, 2010 9:49 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
The funny thing is
he could’ve made it a 30 year rule instead of 35. That way the Blazers wouldn’t be an exception and we really couldn’t argue it based on his silly little metric.
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You were never really sold on The Rock?
Please! For many years he was the only real player we had. Five all star appearances. 23 playoff games. A career avg of 21/4/3.5 One of the few guys who could actually guard MJ.
Stuck in a crappy little town on a crappy team after being part of run TMC, he still gave everything he had. You might as well say you weren’t sold on Vlade, or Christie. Mitch was the man when the only players we had on this team were boys. Take back your words or just say you’ve forced yourself to forget those years.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
I've lived all over, and I don't think Sacramento is a crappy little town.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jan 30, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't agree more.
Been around the world and the US. Can’t think of many other places I would rather live.
There are two ways of being happy: We must either diminish our wants or augment our means - either may do - the result is the same and it is for each man to decide for himself and to do that which happens to be easier.
- Benjamin Franklin
Did I say I wouldn't want to live there?
Or that you wouldn’t want to live there? No. What I said was that for an NBA player of Mitch Richmond’s talent, income, and age, it was a crappy place to be stuck. And as much as we might love it, it is still not a favored destination for many wealthy, young, single NBA stars. You can love a town and still recognize what it does and does not have going for it.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
by SavageBeast on Jan 30, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Wait, that's what you got out of my comment?
I’ve lived in the Sacramento area for about 15 years. All of my four kids have been born in the Roseville hospital. And if I could, I would move back there again, although I’d probably live in Auburn just to get above the fog. I love the city. But, especially, back when Mitch played for the Kings, it was one of the least desirable places an NBA player could be sent. Tiny arena. No night life. Poor owners. My point was not to knock Sac., but to say that it would have been easy for a star player to give up like many Kings did at teh time or demand a trade. Mitch stuck it out and gave everything. In fact I went back and looked. He played in six all star games. And was the MVP of one. MJ said he was the toughest matchup he ever played.
Now stop the whole, “We’re not a cow town” inferiority complex and focus on the point.
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Gordan Ryan
by SavageBeast on Jan 30, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
No night life?
How can you even suggest that?
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
I know, I know
When we come out for the next STR night, we’ll paint the town red and stay out all night. And the good thing about staying out that late is the traffic light turns off at eleven!
Ducking and running.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
by SavageBeast on Jan 30, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Like I said, my apologies
I just never really cared for him. Couldn’t tell you why. I was young when Richmond was playing, so perhaps I didn’t appreciate him for what he was.
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I still see the Rock as the greatest Sacramento King
I would have said Webber had he not suffered the injury, but for time served, no one brought it as often as Richmond. And he brought it on both ends of the floor, and he often had to do it practically alone.
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Section remembers
I recently bought a signed Kings Mitch Richmond card. It is one of my prize possessions. Mitch was one of the few guys who made the early Kings worth watching.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
So what I take from this is...
I can take random facts, set criteria to fit my pre-conceived idea of the outcome, write an article and become famous and overpaid as an ESPN analyst.
Sweet.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 30, 2010 11:53 AM PST reply actions
Get on it!
I’ve read your comments for a couple of years now, and I’d be more interested in reading your thoughts than most of the people out there.
I find it funny that while I agree with most of the complaints about Simmons, I still find him one of the more interesting sports writers available.
I think that says more about sports writers as a whole than BS himself, but take that for what it’s worth.
Entertainment value
Bill Simmons is a great writer, IMO, and I very much enjoy most of his pieces. I think he knows a lot about the game, but sometimes he chooses to go with entertainment over knowledge or tries to mix both. That’s his style so I don’t mind it. I just make sure to not get worked up about his criticism, especially towards the Kings or certain other teams. I usually just brush it off and read on. I think it’s up to every reader to decide what he’s trying to do. Most often than not, I read because it’s entertaining.
His book has some really good stuff in case anyone wants to read it. Pretty good mixture of the history of the game, interesting commentary, and also the usual funny stuff.
The future begins now...
I actually wrote Simmons about this
which was my first time ever writing to him about one of his articles. I also did not go through the whole history of the Kings in Sac or else it would have been way too long, but here is what I sent in:
With all due respect, I can’t believe you just wrote an article where you essentially said that Kings fans haven’t suffered enough to be eligible for a Level 1 loss. Sure, the Kings might have moved to Sacramento in 1985, but in that time – we did not have an over .500 season until the ’99-’00 season, we had one promising rookie commit suicide (Berry), multiple big free agents/players we traded for suffer devastating injuries (Sampson, Smith), our only #1 pick (Ellison) suffer massive knee injuries that derailed his career, and we had Bobby Hansen welcome Mitch Richmond to Sacramento with the immortal words, "Welcome to hell." Then we finally get good and proceed to watch our Kings lose in the series deciding game (Game 5 in the first round, Game 7 after that) in 1999 (Jazz), 2000 Lakers), 2002 (Lakers), 2003 (Mavs) and 2004 (Timberwolves). During this stretch we had to live through the Horry shot, the worst officiated playoff game in NBA history, multiple knee injuries to Chris Webber, and played without two key players (Peja and Bobby Jackson) during two of our playoff runs. We then chased a great coach out of town and had the privilege of watching Eric Musselman, Reggie Theus and Kenny Natt coach a bunch of veterans who clearly were only playing for themselves. Things are finally looking up again this year, but my point is that if this new crew eventually leads us into a decisive Game 7, Kings fans will be 100% eligible for a Level 1 loss.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Jan 30, 2010 1:42 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
NIce
I actually wrote him as well. The breakdown I included in the article is essentially what I sent him.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
I wonder what Simmons is going to do,
now that Shirley isn’t there to read it for him?
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I am a Simmons fan, but he is paid to write and is deadline dependent
and some of his stuff is more catch phrase cute than content rich. His basketball knowledge is impressive overall but I agree he is big city and particularly Boston biased but that is a known grain of salt. When it comes to Sacramento, “small town” is just a label that got attached and will be dredged up where ever disparaging comments are sold. It is just the way it is. I too have lived in many places and the Sacramento area is where I happily chose to stay now. Is it Nirvana? Hell no, but I will ask Cobain how that is when I get there. May I suggest thicker skin?
Oh, and Shirley? you jest.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 31, 2010 7:53 AM PST up reply actions
Blazers fan here
We hate Simmons too. He stomps on all of the non elite franchises every time he writes something. Heres to hoping that both of our franchises win a title soon.
Keep the faith.
I don't get the Bill Simmons bashing whatsoever
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Agreed
I love reading his articles. You just have to take them with a grain of salt. He is knowledgeable, but is writing for humor and entertainment as much as anything. Reading his articles is like reading a really funny fanpost on one of these boards.
random thought
I don’t take much offense to what Simmons writes, I think he is pretty entertaining
Do have a thought, what would have happened to the Kings if they had exposed Webber and or Christie to the expansion draft instead of Gerald Wallace. Yeh this is revisionist thinking in the worst way. Didn’t this draft happend the season after Webber blew his knee out, if would be a deal based on saving money in the long term. I did wonder at the time if they could have exposed Christie as the end was coming.
In writing all this the Kings were in the title hunt and exposing these guys would have sent a terrible signal to the team, and its not like Wallace turned out to be a great player overnight
Just a thought
It would have been very risky
Webber was still healthy and productive. Christie almost certainly would have gotten taken. I remember the Webber option being discussed simply because an expansion team would have really hesitated to take on that big of a contract. Especially since I believe for their first couple of seasons they can only use a portion of their salary cap (I could be wrong about this though). At the end of the day, it would have been nice to keep Wallace. However, as much as it hurts to have lost him, imagine how devastating it would have been if we had lost a key piece like Webber or Christie when we were a contending team. Losing one of those two would have really angered people and would probably have been a fatal blow to our ability to compete for a championship.
One other factor -
Wallace’s shooting range at the time was about 2 feet and in, and the Kings wing players were counted on to score from the perimeter. Given that Peja was here and then Artest, I doubt that Wallace would have ever had to opportunity to properly develop his game, especially during Adelman’s tenure.
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Do not bring realisism into this debate.
Stop it!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Or however you spell realism.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
people...
why are you trying to fight for the most tortured fan status?? That’s not a designation you want. This must be one of the most pathetic things I’ve seen from Kings fans in years. Get some self respect — Blazer fans are much bigger losers!
exactly
By the way, this is exactly why I hate Cubs fans.
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