Kings - Bobcats: The view from Section 204
Tonight's game was a bit weird. The first half was evenly played and the Kings showed flashes of great play. The third quarter was insanely frustrating and pretty much gave the game to Charlotte. The 4th was all about the failed comeback; exciting but not enough. I don't really have much analysis so I'll just go with some random thoughts:
The Kings are not a very good team. To quote Pookey: "shocking!" Because they are not that good (yet!) they can't afford to get themselves in a 20 point hole and then attempt a comeback. It may work once or twice, but I'm going to take a wild guess and say that it is not a good strategy most of the time. We still almost did come back though. JT missed FTs could've put us within 4 and then Felton missed 2 FT of his own that could've maybe set up a 3 or a quick 2 with a bit over 10 secs left. Wishful thinking but we were close. Either way, the problem was not failing to comeback but having to make a comeback in the first place.
Total third quarter collapse by the team. We only had a Kevin 3 and a Spencer bucket by the 8 minute mark and the Bobcats were killing us in transition. Frustrating but everyone just needs to get back, everyone! It also seemed like they weren't missing in that 3rd. At this point I don't know if it's the other team or if it's just the Kings defense. To be 100% honest, live, it did not look like just the Kings. Yes, we failed to box out a couple times and maybe rotations were not as quick as they should've been, but it just seemed to me like the Bobcats were just making shots. Whatever it was, the Kings were not getting it done so it's on them at the end of the day.
I've said this before but I can't emphasize it enough: you have to witness Kevin Martin live to truly appreciate what he does on the offensive end. It just seems so effortless the way he scores and at no point do you think he's forcing it or taking bad shots. Every shot he takes are within the offense and not because he's being selfish. His efficiency is tremendous. I honestly have no idea how someone who has seen him live, when he's on, would propose to trade him for anything less than an established star. Unfortunately for the Kings, he was one of the only ones to show up on that side of the court. Funny note about Speed: I think he missed 3 of his first 5 shots or something like that which prompted me to tell the wifey that his shot still seemed a little off. This is just funny to me because he came back and scored so well that my early statement just proves how I expect him to make every single one of his shots. If he misses one shot, he's having an off night!! How dare he!!!!
I had no idea Reke was bothered by the hip, and I'm actually a bit glad that was the case tonight, because he didn't have his best game scoring the ball and we kinda needed that. He did a beautiful job of getting everyone involved though. He was able to find teammates for easy buckets and was truly a PG out there dishing the ball. I kept thinking that the orders were for him to get everyone involved in the first half and then take over in the second, but looks like because of the injury he just couldn't. Again, unfortunate because Kevin could;ve used his help.
One random thought on Tyreke and how he fits with this team. The best offense for the Kings, IMO, happened in the first quarter when we were running things through Spencer. The ball movement was great, Spencer was making for the most part good decisions, and everything seemed like it was flowing nicely. This got me thinking: this team we have right now was not built for Tyreke Evans. Let me explain before you call me crazy. The type of players the Kings drafted, signed, traded for before this year were acquired for a system that not necessarily is the type that would benefit the type of player Tyreke Evans is. Reke is a great player (now or in the making, take your pick) but he benefits from having the ball in his hands and making the decisions. Players like Spencer and Kevin (to take two examples) are best served to play in a system with a lot of ball movement, cutting, slashing, and passing while Evans is a bit more of a power, individual type player who needs others to complement him. I'm in no way, shape, or form implying that Evans doesn't fit or he or the others should be traded. What I'm trying to say is that the adjustment period to incorporate Evans, Martin, Hawes, and the others into a succesful offensive system may be a bit longer than expected because of the mix of styles. Once this is done, the Kings have the potential of having an awesome system on that end of the floor, but before that happens both sides need to adjust to each other and learn how to make it work. To me this is not about Martin fitting, or Reke fitting, or Spencer fitting, it's about every single guy compromising and doing what's best for the team. This is also on both GP (getting new players that will fit the makeup of this new team) and coach Westphal to find the best way of making everything work.
Back to the game:
Sergio did a very good job when he came in at running the team and truly leading that comeback. I think he definitely deserves more minutes. I've said it before (though I've also tried to stay away from the late Sergio arguments) that he brings something unique to this team. He's the only PG on this team that has the ability to get everyone involved and change the pace of the game. I think we could benefit from that on many stretches during games. I don't think we will win or lose games because of Sergio Rodriguez but I do feel he has the chance of helping this team in ways no one else in the roster can. Unfortunately, our main pieces are both Gs so where would the minutes come from? This leads me to my next thought.
I hope Beno Udrih is on the trading block. Believe me, I'm far from a Beno hater and I appreciate so much him coming into this season motivated and doing an awesome job at the beginning, and this idea is also not coming out because he had a couple bad games. IMO with the return of Kevin, Beno's impact is greatly diminished. Like I said in the Sergio paragraph, our main guys right now are the Gs and Beno brings something to the table that could easily be replaced by Kevin, a returning Cisco, and Sergio. We already knew his contract was bad so it may be the time to sell high while we can. To repeat, I loved Wabeno at the beginning of the season, but with that contract and with Kevin's scoring back, I don't think he is going to be of much help in the future. We need talent, I've said it many times, but we also need to look at the future and I don't see Beno bringing anything that others already in the team can't easily bring. If you think about it, moving Beno may actually be better than moving Noc. Just my opinion.
A couple things on our big men: JT had a good game numbers wise but still seemed a bit off. It was a bit of a "bleh" game for him though he did make a couple of those sweet jumpers and rebounded the ball alright. I hope he slowly comes back to being the JT we know and love.
Spencer, as I mentioned above, did an awesome job at running the offense in the high post. I'd love to see more of this because he has proven to make very good decisions. The more confidence he gets at doing this should lead to less TOs and I think it's well worth it. This is all part of PW making everyone fit in the offense. I do agree that he has a very short leash with the coaching staff. As soon as he didn't get a couple boards in the 3rd he was out, and I actually think he never came back. The problem is that once he;s out and the other team big man goes out as well, the matchup never seem good to bring him back in. I'm not smart enough to make a suggestion here so definitely help me out.
May was a no show, and Brockman had some uneventful minutes. We did go Nellie small with Donte or Omri at C a couple times. Weird to see to be honest.
G-Money was great for the Bobcats. Definitely showed why he's an All-Star. He did it all for them.
So that's what I have on this game. That 3rd quarter was tough as a fan and had to remind myself how young we are many times. Some people actually left during that Bobcats run in the 3rd and it was awful to see. I hate people who leave early. Maybe in the last 2 minutes of a truly out of reach game it's fine, but not in the 3rd with a young team that has made comabcks before. Oh well, not everyone is a true fan like us. A complete comeback would've been even sweeter because of all those who left.
And by the way, Arco looked fairly empty, it was sad to see after attending a couple near sold out games. The team just has to go back to its "winning ways" I guess. Unfortunately, it's going to be tough so I expect a lot of 10,000 fans nights at Arco in the coming months.
While dissapointed, as always I left hopeful, because these guys have no quit in them and that's good to see because character and fight is not something you can teach a player. You can set a better offensive system or teach better defense or draft players that will fill a need, but you can't teach heart and the young Kings have proven to have just that. Gotta love this team.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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I am in complete agreement with you Ed.
I was at the game and share most of your thoughts. I do feel like Tyreke could, with more experience, fit into a system that has more ball movement. I am eager to see some change at the trade deadline.
More random thoughts from a Section 201 viewpoint.
And I have to agree with pretty much everything you posted. Dead on.
My observations this season are that the Kings offense tends to grind down to a snail pace. It generally happens in the 2nd quarter. It is very consistent and a problem. In the past, quite a few games ago, PW would then put in Sergio at PG and the tempo went up, people started running and moving, and the ball was passed by all, not just Sergio.
The past games where Sergio has not played have been pretty brutal and I have to wonder if they would have been any better with him in. Maybe not because shooters were missing and passes don’t always help that… but getting the perfect pass in a sweet spot can make all the difference. So, I think maybe it would have helped. The thing is that this team plays with more energy when Sergio is inserted. It picks up and changes the game in a way the gets the players back into it. We need more Sergio…
Time to play a tune from the broken record:
Big, athletic, strong guys kill us. We have no answer. If they are quick and too strong for Donte’ we can’t slow them down. JT and Spence are, unfortunately, not the answer. They can handle big and strong guys OK, but they can’t deal with the quick, strong, and long guys. Brockman can handle the strong and moderately quick, but if that can shoot over him then that doesn’t work. Milsap, Wallace, and others of this type are the kind of players that hurt us the most. They look like stars when they play against ups
The sad truth about a sign:
My brother in law went with me and he saw a fan with a sign on the monitor. The sign said “A King-sized Comeback”. I didn’t see it, but he told me about it. I really didn’t give it much thought until he said “That is really fucked up when somebody brings a pre-made sign to a game about having to make a comeback.” That really hit home for me and made me feel like throwing up… Thankfully the 4th quarter finally saw the team start to make that comeback and it made me feel better.
An exciting comeback that should not have been needed, but was welcome none the less. Just wish it would have gotten a win.
That was the famous "sign lady"
She probably brings like 10 different signs to every game and is ready to use any of them at moments notice. Or maybe the Kings org has them ready for here, I don’t know. Bu that’s why she had that sign.
The future begins now...
I thought it might be her
The sad thing is that doesn’t make me feel better. Just that this sign exists and there is an expectation that the Kings are going to go into such a hole on a regular basis, while watching it happen in front of me, was enough to make me feel ill.
The third quarter was some bad basketball. Yes, the Bobcats were hitting on all cylinders. Their shooting percentage was at 48% at the end of the first half and by the time the third quarter was over it was almost 60%. Yes, PW tried to put in energy guys – Beno and Omri came in, but it didn’t help, it didn’t work, and nothing did until the 4th when he had to go with Sergio as a last resort when maybe he should have been the first option.
I wouldn't read too much into the sign thing
She probably also has one on the Kings running away with a game. She’s just the go to lady when it comes to any type of game situation.
The future begins now...
The attendence was reported to be 14,200, not bad
I really don’t think the offense was good all night. In the 1st quarter, we got a lot of loose balls and fast breaks point. We won the fast break points 30 to 19. But, the Cats offense seemed to be more efficient all game.
Tyreke made a lot of good plays when he got doubled, but as you pointed out most of the easy baskets came off back door cuts and passes by Hawes. He had a 8pt lead when PW pulled JT & Spencer and went small. But we were only down by 12 when PW pulled Tyreke in the 3rd. With Beno and Martin running the point they each had a turnover, and the Kings were out scored 17 to 8 in the final 5 minutes of the 3rd. Just too big of a hole to climb out of especially with Tyreke sitting out the 4th.
We gave up 10 too many points and scored 10 too few in the third. So, we needed better offense and defense. But, I don’t think I’m too far of base when I say, that without a PG that can breakdown defenses, the Kings have a enimic offense. Beno has some skills but he’s really not a good replacement for Tyreke. Martin, yes.
And, I think the other players know that if Sergio is at the point, and they move to get free, Sergio will get them the ball. But, Beno is most likely going to curl into the left foul line extended and put up a shot.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
From section 104...
Funny, but I also thought that the attendance was pretty good from where I was sitting – the lower bowl had empty spots, but the upper bowl was pretty full. All a matter of perspective…
As far as the game goes, as good as Wallace was, the Kings were also killed by Mohammed in the post. 17 & 10 (8 of 10 from the floor) in 25 dominating minutes. The Kings bigs, most notably Hawes, had no answer for him and he allowed the Cats to stay right with the Kings until the Gerald Wallace show took over in the 3rd. I don’t know why, but as I have mentioned before, it doesn’t seem as if both Shock and Hawes can have a good game at the same time…
Lastly, for all of the reasons others have mentioned, I sure hope that when the Kings offense bogs down, PW starts to go to Rodriguez. In the 3rd, while the defense was getting torched, if the offense had just stepped up a bit, the 4th quarter might have meant something more…
"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."
Charlotte was 20 of 26 at the rim.
So, it wasn’t just Nazr on Hawes that was creating a problem. When that many players get to the rim, the outside defense is breaking down. The bigs have no choice but to leave their man to stop the ball, and if help doesn’t rotate down low, well the guards get a lot of assists and the bigs get a lot of dunks.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Agreed...
Penetrations kill us – no doubt. It just seemed to me that Nazr was getting unbelievable position on Hawes all night and made a shot just about every time he got the ball down there…
"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."
I thought Nazr made some tough shots as well
He had at least 2 fadeaways and a couple nice hooks that are close to impossible to guard. Yes, he had a good line but I found myself accepting that the guy made some good plays instead of Spencer playing bad defense. At this point in time, none of our big guys is an above average defender so until we add another piece to the frontline, opponents bigs will most likely have fairly good games against us.
I don’t blame Spencer or JT for being young players who are not there defensively yet. I think they try, but their physical and skill limitations just don’t allow them to be where we would like them to be right this very moment. Will they get there? Maybe. If they do, that’ll be great for this team’s future outlook. Either way, we will most likely acquire another big who should hopefully help the interior defense problem.
The future begins now...
Wait a second?!?
Are you saying that we should all be patient??? Crazy talk that is – crazy talk…
"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."
That's the way I saw it too, some tough fadeaways, and
4 assted baskets at the rim when Hawes moved away to stop the ball, after the defender got picked. As far as Nazr getting good position, it’s very difficult to keep someone from getting position for the whole 24 sec clock. But, yes, Spencer could have done better, and should have given out some hard fouls on a couple of those plays.
I’m going to pose a question about Spencers style of play. Would Spencer be more or less aggressive if he didn’t have to worry about JT getting into foul trouble? I’m sure like everyone here, Spencer knows that if he and JT both get into foul trouble, the Kings have no one else.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
That's a good question...
I have wondered for a while why JT and Spencer rarely have good games together – that’s as good of a theory as I have heard. If that is the case, PW needs to get that out of his head – 25 minutes of aggresive Spencer is better than 35 minutes of soft Spencer…
"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."
It would wear on any defender.
It certainly wears on Spence. But, ultimately it’s not Spence’s fault if he’s aggressive defensively and picks up fouls. JT’s fouls are of the ticky tack/stupid variety.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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The Bobcats were making some really tough shots
in the 2nd and 3rd, but especially the 2nd if I recall. We made no tough shots in the 3rd and turned the ball over 7 times in that quarter.
JT played better except when it really counted down the stretch, failing to get key rebounds that were in his hands, an offensive foul or two and missed free throws.
Still, it was a may be a sign that he’s pulling out of his funk.
I’m not sure what else you can ask from Martin. The other guys have to understand that when either he or Kevin is Not on the floor they need to pick up the slack and makes some plays. Not go one on one, but make plays. When those two are on the floor together they of course will be taking the majority of shots, role players need to recognize their opportunities and strike.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 1, 2010 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
'he' = Tyreke
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 1, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
Good points
I was also at the game, Sec 103, two rows from court side. The first quarter was nice. Some of Spencer’s passes reminded me of Vlade’s old bounce passes from the high post. Hawes needs time to develop. Can’t believe he’s only 21 years old. Wow. He’s got a rare skill set for a 7 footer.
Gerald Wallace looked unstoppable. He’s not a good shooter, so when he’s hitting that outside shot, maybe he IS nearly impossible to guard, especially if he’s getting bailed out on those reckless drives to the hoop where he crashes into bodies, a la Maggette.
I was disgusted by the team’s performance in the 3rd quarter. The comeback was nice but the 3rd quarter was horrific.
As the young Kings develop, let’s hope for more of the first quarter & less of the third…
Evans
He played very well in the first half, just beautifully distributing the ball, and making things happen. I was noticing that the hip really seems to be hindering his ability to make that quick move into the paint, and get baskets. Definite signs of maturity for him not chucking up long jumpers, when it seemed the hip wasn’t going to allow him better shots, but he may need to take a few games off and let that thing improve. 4 points on 5 shots just isn’t what he’s capable of, and I’d like to see him get healthy, even if he does still make things happen playing injured.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Great point sims
I forgot to write about that. He had many isos against his man and not once did he take the jumpshot when he couldn’t penetrate. He always kicked it out or found someone for a shot. Definitely a good sign
The future begins now...
by edm7 on Jan 31, 2010 1:31 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I want to see more of the Evans and Martin two man game...
and more Spencer to Tyreke passes….
Big, athletic, strong guys kill us.
It should read " Big, OR athletic, OR strong guys kill us"
They can handle big and strong guys OK, but they can’t deal with the quick, strong, and long guys.
…just wait and see what they do against Nene and Kenyon in the next game.
I know I’m being harsh on the frontline, but Petrie was at the game and you have to wonder what he thinks of this frontline and how he’s going to make it better.
by getPGwithbounce on Jan 31, 2010 2:36 AM PST reply actions
another 2 cents
Beno – Beno is the only other shooter on the team. With Kevin Martin as an injury concern, Beno is insurance. He may duplicate some of Kevin’s game, but with no Martin who do you have to shoot the ball?
Tyreke – I don’t believe it is fair to say that a passing, cutting (Princeton) offense is not compatible with Evans game. It is not at this point, but he is a rookie and still learning. The Kings are a Tyreke oriented offense right now, but in my mind, it is up to Tyreke to adjust to a team offense, not the other way around. This is a league of stars and a game that is team oriented. He needs to find more weapons to share the ball with and this team is limited in that department. Yes, it is simpler for Evans push the ball and be “me first” but if he is off, or well defended than everything else is shut down if he is the first option every time.
Spencer and JT – their inability to defend has been the one consistency all year. They will improve and eventually, more help will be brought in.
Ed, as always, I enjoy your game posts. Your passion for the team resonates in your writing. Thanks for sharing. Rec’d.
Omri is a shooter.
And Sergio is actually averaging a career high in FG% and 3P%
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Rookie Omri hopes to one day be a consistent shooter
Beno already is.
When the Kings have needed buckets this year it is Mr. Consistency that they have turned to and that has been Beno. Sergio plays 13 minutes a game.
Though looking at the stats I was surprised to see that Casspi and Udrih has similiar stats for FGA and FG%, Beno (.491) with the edge both times (Spencer and Omri have almost identical FGA and Spencer is shooting .481, Casspi .477). Beno performs as the best mid range shooter on the team and of course, his FT% should not be overlooked (.869).
by betweentheeyes on Jan 31, 2010 8:52 AM PST up reply actions
Omri has had a pretty bad slump for the past few weeks
His numbers were over 50% for quite a while. But yes, Beno is very good at the mid-range game and I would much rather see Noc go then him. I do see the merit in selling high on Beno though.
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Beno is a good player, but...
The Kings are loaded with players at his positions. Evans. Rodriguez and Cisco (point forward) at the point. Martin, Evans and Cisco at the off guard. Casspi, Greene, Cisco and Noc at the small forward. The consensus seems to be that at some point, the Kings would have to make a move with at least one player at the 1,2 or 3 spots to relieve some of the logjam. Nocioni is commonly thought to be the guy on his way out, but I think Beno should be just as available. Before this season, everyone would have given him away for nothing (bad contract, disappointing play, poor work ethic were all either said or implied) but he came out this season shooting a career high FG% and really playing well. Now, he has dropped off to more normal levels and while he is still productive, he is expensive, redundant and therefore, expendable.
If there are teams that absolutely have to have K9’s expiring for financial reasons, then I think Petrie should make them take back either Beno or Noc in the deal. The trade I suggested in Aykis’ trade thread the other day: Beno / K9 for Dalembert. And while Philly may not want/need Beno, if they have to have K9, that should be the price…
"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."
on this Kings team, no position is "loaded"
Noce’s previous misstep excepted (and Ron Artest is no longer here).
My biggest worry regarding Sammy Dalembert is his common perception as “a horrible contract that Philly would love to get rid of”. One man’s garbage is another man’s treasure and all, but this has to play in the equation.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 31, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
I only target Beno...
because with him, it would be selling somewhat high, and I think that Petrie has to try to move either Noc or Beno along with K9 if that is what he chooses to do. As far as being loaded goes, I am sure that the Kings could acquire Arenas…
With regard to Dalembert, he is by no means a perfect or long term solution. But he is paid 12 million a year for the remainder of this year and next, so by the middle of next season, regardless of how he is playing, he becomes very valuable as an expiring contract. But speaking just from a basketball point of view, in January, the 76ers have played 15 games. In 12, he had double digit rebounds (twice with 20+). In 8 games he scored 10+ points, and in 10 games, he had 2+ blocks. That kind of play would almost assuredly help the Kings interior defense, and in return, the Kings would be giving up little that they don’t already have…
"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."
The Kings would certainly benefit from someone who can rebound.
Dalembert sounds like a good prospect.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
If Dalembert was available
for K9 + Beno, I’m reasonably sure we’d do it.
Beno’s contract is really, really bad, I think you’d have to work harder to get him out of here personally.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
In normal times...
I don’t think Philly does this deal either. It all depends on how bad of a financial pinch Philly is in with regard to the luxury tax, and only their ownership knows that. If it is really bad, maybe they pull the trigger…
"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."
Beno has what no one else on the roster has
a consistant mid-range shot, which is pretty rare in the league and there for hard to defend. Most of the others are either shoot long – or at the rim. We’d miss it more than you think if he were gone.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 1, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Spencer got yanked
because he’s such a friggin panty waist. PW got fed up with him allowing a Bobcat to walk up and take a rebound.
Sorry, had to get that off my chest. It was so aggravating to watch.
feel better?
good. Now, kindly put a sock in it. :)
by betweentheeyes on Jan 31, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Nice summary and sharing of random thoughts
from section 204 as opposed to Comcast at home. However, you did miss out on the Poker Face song and Subway commercial. You probably missed the “I don’t believe in the (rookie) wall” pre-game interview between Reke and Peaches. Reke also shared that his hip was still bothering him and he was still getting treatment for it. There are a few perks of watching the game from the comfort of your own living room.
I found myself nodding in agreement as I read through your summary. Watching them almost coming back from a substantial hole is not all that much fun, unless they can seal the deal. Kings did play a good first half, too bad they had to spoil it with that ugly third quarter.
An analysis could be made, focusing solely on the 3rd, just tearing apart what went wrong.
As you say, watching Kevin Martin on the offensive end is a sight to behold. It is a thing of beauty and grace, sort of like leaps you would see in a ballet. (Meant in a good way.) He did miss some of his first shots, but at least he didn’t quite on himself. He got that 3 pointer about four minutes into the game and the fast break with JT about one minute later.
Agreed about Sergio coming in and running the team. He brought a huge lift when he came into the game at the end of the third quarter, making shots. The game got pretty exciting after his arrival. He is a sight to behold on the floor. He quickens the pace and helps make the other players better. He is great in small doses, just wish PW would use him more often. No question about him, he is a point guard.
I do differ with you somewhat about Beno. He did perform better earlier in the season, but I wouldn’t want to put him up for trade, just yet. I do not agree with your statement, “Beno brings something to the table that could easily be replaced by Kevin, a returning Cisco, and Sergio.” When Beno is on the top of him game, he does a great job distributing the ball, making shots, and a factor on defense. Kevin is not as good at defense, and Sergio makes more TOs. Cisco is a possibility, but I don’t feel that overall he does as good a job as Beno. IMHO
JT did come out smelling like a rose on this double double stats. It is interesting that his game from your Section 204 didn’t match what his stats would suggest. Clearly, being at the game gave you a much better perspective of his overall play. He didn’t pout as much or make faces as he usually does.
Sorry to hear that Arco was fairly empty. That does not help our guys.
You are right about Wallace, he was the best player on the floor.
I really like what you said, “These guys have no quit in them and that’s good to see because character and fight is not something you can teach a player.”
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Really enjoyed reading this
The best offense for the Kings, IMO, happened in the first quarter when we were running things through Spencer. The ball movement was great, Spencer was making for the most part good decisions, and everything seemed like it was flowing nicely. This got me thinking: this team we have right now was not built for Tyreke Evans.
So did anyone else here, when reading this, think “Holy crap the Lakers game!” Spence had the best game of his career against the frickin Lakers and tyreke was out with an injury.
Seems to me that it’s either (a) spence and evans don’t mix or (b) spence and beno really mix together well. Seems to me that Spence loves having the ball in his hands (so does tyreke) and beno is excellent at cutting to the basket and giving Spence good passing lanes. I still remember one of the first games of the year where Spence and Beno went nuts on the grizzlies too.
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by wallywagon11 on Jan 31, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
it is a valid question dub dub
the other usual questions emerge:
when will the chemistry mix into a reliable product?
PW was the master of chemistry when the Kings were winning, now, when losing, he looks a bit like the mad professor. The previous formulas are blowing up in his face.
is this team ever going to string together a 48 minute performance?
3 quarters is not enough. A good team can overpower the Kings for 3 quarters but the reverse is not yet true. Inexperience and talent are the usual suspects. Is it tiresome? Absolutely.
how much longer will we have to say – “Patience”?
apparently, until we are hoarse.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 31, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Spence and Beno do appear to have good chemistry on and off the court.
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I guess this was kinda my point but let me expand
When Petrie drafted Kevin, Cisco, Hawes, and maybe even JT he had a type of team in mind. This last draft he picked Reke, Omri, and Brockman, and maybe drifted a bit away from that vision he had before. So now we have a bit of a mix of skills and styles that will take time to adjust to each other.
Beno and Hawes definitely work well with each other. I’ve said before that I’d be ok if Spencer ends up being the first big off the bench because he plays so well with Beno and could have the offense run through him. But if Reke can learn to play with Spencer that would be ideal because of the passing skills of our big guy and the power of Reke. They may not mix right now because they’re still learning, but there is no indication it won’t click. I actually think it will.
I’m convinced it’ll work because I see how Reke has grown already from his first game to halfway through the season. We’ve actually seen Tyreke and Spencer work a bit in the pick and roll and they started getting comfortable with each other’s sweet spots. At first you never saw those two work a two man game. Now? I’ve seen many times when Spence rolls to the basket and Reke tries to get him the ball and also Spencer handing off Reke and setting a screen to facilitate penetration. We don’t see this enough, that’s for sure, but it’s all part of the learning process.
While Spencer and Beno may already work because of the similarity in styles, I have no doubt that Tyreke can learn to play with Spencer running some offense in the high post. Hell, we saw that last night. Reke had plenty of assists and was only slow offensively because of the hip. I look forward to seeing this team figure it out
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by edm7 on Jan 31, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well said Eddie.
First, i gave you props for the recap at EC Inc. Anyway, your point about running system offenses vs a free flow give it to one guy and let him do this thing is a balance that is so precocious it’s as simple as losing the flow by not running one possession well.
PW and the players have to balance the need to run the high post, let Reke have the ball as often as he needs it, and work all the players in & out over the course of the NBA game to do this at it’s highest capacity. Teams that usually accomplish this at it’s best are winning 60 games. We see the flip side to the result.
Great launching point Eddie. (And your comment in this particular vein brings up a lot of stuff I was going to point out in my Hawes article. For those wondering.)
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Spencer, Hawes, and Beno
As you say, Beno and Hawes work well together and Reke and Spencer are working more together. You also indicate that you would be fine if “Spencer ends up being the first big off the bench because he plays so well with Beno.”
Question is, “What will happen if Petrie brings in a new big before the deadline?” I am assuming that if he does bring in a new guy, he is going to be someone who will replace Spencer in the starting lineup. That would most likely put Hawes and Beno to both come off the bench together, which would be a good working team.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
In my opinion
that would be the most likely case if a defensive big (Dalembert, Diop?) is brought. Spencer would come in with Beno ad run the second unit. My concern now is that after seeing him run some offense with the starting unit and being somehow succesful, would it be better to bring JT off the bench? Could Hawes work as a PF? What if the new big comes off the bench?
There are obviously many unanswered questions with this team. and that’s why I’m not an NBA coach or NBA expert for that matter. I don’t really know what the solution is. I do believe though, that if the Kings weren’t so young, the answer would be a bit easier to find. The inconsistency of the young players (except Reke) make planning for the future a bit tough.
The future begins now...
Well that is a possibility I had not even considered.
You are thinking outside the box, but that is an interesting idea! It may be a good match with Spencer’s interest in developing his shooting and jumper skills.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I think last night
was the first time I really saw Tyreke, Kevin and Spencer really start to get a good feel for each other.
And if anyone gave a rat’s ass about espn announcers, they should send that first half tape to them with the title “Who’s NaPG?”. Tyreke was in full distributor mode for the first time I’ve ever seen him, and he made great decisions, which is a tremendous sign.
There’s some budding chemistry on offense. The defense is still a disaster, though JT is getting killed way too much for last night. When we were playing with them, JT had his best night that I can remember rotating and playing big.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Tyreke a Point Guard
I take back everything I have said about Tyreke not being a point guard. Last night, Tyreke was a point guard!
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Yeah JT's rotations were great last night.
But you know the elephant in the room with young teams is always the same thing: Consistency.
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I have another viewpoint, on Spencer & Beno, ed
First running the offense thru Spencer at the high post, works because Beno, Martin, and most of the Wings finish better in the paint than the bigs do. Especially when the opposing center comes out to guard Spencer.
Spencer and JT don’t have any plays run for them, or any screens or picks set for them. So, they have to create space to receive the entry pass on their own, and then they have to put up the low post shot. And, that isn’t JT or Spencer’s strength, and only Spencer has the low post game to put up a decent shot when he gets the ball in good position.
What make it more difficult for Spencer to recieve the entry pass is that he’s always the one setting the screen for the guard out on top. I’d rather see JT doing it, but it seems like every time he trys, he gets called for a moving screen. What we’re seeing now is that teams are doubling Tyreke off the screen, and leaving the screener alone. If Tyreke can get the ball back to Spencer, at the FT line, Spencer would be open for a short jumper and an interior pass if the other big rotates to help. So, the Kings need to run more plays to get the bigs easy shots, and Tyreke needs to get the ball back to the screener when he’s doubled.
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I would love to see more screen & rolls with JT & Reke.
Many many more.
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by wallywagon11 on Jan 31, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
That's a great point HT
I want to emphasize getting our bigs involved in the offense: We rarely ever go to them dow low, because they are usually outside setting plays (especially Spencer). I remember a couple games were the team tried to go to our big guys early but then moved completely away from that and never came back. Though Spencer still needs to improve his back to the basket game, I think he still has some moves that could be ready to use on a regular basis. JT also showed some stuff early in the season but hasn’t bee playing too well lately. It may just be a matter of them getting down there or the Gs getting them the ball.
Coincidentaly, Sergio is the best G we have to make those entry passes. Though it may sound easy, hitting the big guys with the perfect entry passes is difficult. I’ve seen many TOs by Beno and Kevin when trying to get the ball inside. Also on that note, I’ve yet to see a big get the ball inside, kick it out, repost, and then get the rock back. It’s such a common play inthe league but I can’t remember the last time the Kings did anything like it.
I think that having Kevin, one of the main pieces of our offensive system, out for so long hurt the team. Now that he’s back and we have a better idea of what we have on that side of the floor, I hope the coaching staff can get more creative and use a couple of the weapons we seem to have, at least on paper.
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Absolutely
in the Utah game, Price was setting picks on JT and Millsap was curling into the lane and getting the entry pass right in front of the rim for an uncontested dunk. We never see our guards setting picks on bigs.
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Utah and Charlotte set a LOT of picks
Every time I saw one I was reminded how few we set. There’s A lot of work to do on our halfcourt offense.
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by lietothegirls on Feb 1, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
Good stuff homez
I’m not a huge Sergio fan, and while I never expected to say this, I hope we don’t trade Beno. Sergio is far more inconsistent than Beno and while he has his moments I personally don’t see him as a big part of this team now or going forward. I agree with Aykis’s point in today’s GB & U that they increase in pace is more important than having Sergio in the game.
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I'm totally of the opposite opinion
Beno is our highest percentage shooter, but he’s the worst assist and stupid turnover prone PG. PG’s who handle the ball a lot make turnovers, because their trying to make plays and setting up others for easy shots. Steve Nash, Russel Westbrook, Deron Williams, & Kobe Bryant are in the top 5 in turnovers in the Western Conference. CP3 is 12th and Tyreke is 8th. Beno makes stupid turnovers trying to make simple passes outside the arc, and not exciting entry passes for dunks. That’s why he’s a combo guard and not a true PG. PG’s are going to make turnovers if their doing their job, but for every turnover the good one are going to set up a 4 teammates for easy baskets.
Adjusted for 48 minutes, Sergio is the 7th best assist man in the NBA. We can alway get shooters to replace Beno, and for a lot less money. Beno needs to go, and Sergio needs to be the backup PG. We’d be hard pressed to find another PG as good or as cheap.
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by HighTops on Jan 31, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

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