Making CENTS of the Okafor - Thomas Trade idea
DISCLAIMER: I'm using current CBA rules that I'm aware of to do this. I understand that the CBA could change and it might even be drastic, but I'm not betting on it. I think the leagues wields in the # of years, and the Union gets some sort of concession to that in the form of a raised MLE or perhaps tiered MLE system to allow multiple MLE type signings at different rates. Something like that. "Like anyone could even know that, Napolean".
So we heard about this rumor a couple of years ago. When I first heard of it I went through a series of thoughts...first it was, NO BRAINER get it done. Second, Hey wait, what about 2010 cap space, Third, How are we gonna afford that contract going forward and fourth, aw screw two and three, GET 'ER done. And I'm still at thought #4 at this moment. However, I've been digging deeper into the issue and thinking, what ARE the financial ramifications at this point. How will it affect our cap, finances and ability to draft, and re-sign our current crop of rookies. Well, to start out I'd like to give you a snap shot of the next 5 years salaries.
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So I've taken the liberty of adjusting out payroll with Thomas' contract exiting, and Okafor's contract entering. I'd like to break down the year by year effects of having Okafor's contract on the books, rather than Thomas. I'll look at adding rookie scale deals each year, as well as rookie options on players we plan to keep. Also, I'll try to project what players will earn with extensions and also maintain a min. 13 man roster as well.
2009/2010:
This year is irrelevant in this evaluation, we're still under the cap and have a full complement of players. FINANCIAL OUTLOOK - GOOD.
2010/2011: I would imagine keeping Brockman and Rodriguz on their rather cheap deals would be a priority as each are RFA's and would have the QO in play. We could match any other offer out there, and I highly doubt anyone offers them more than the QO. We would have 12 players under contract, + need to add the guaranteed salary of our 1st round pick(we're currently in the 8th-10th seeds, so I'll use the #8 overall pick to use as a conservative, realistic cap hold for our rookie contract as I don't see us getting worse with Okafor, but rather better, with probably a lesser contract. Rookie contract scale would be: 10/11 - 2,069,400. So the total salary would definitely be below the LTT and be right around the projected Salary cap figure range of 52-56 million. FINANCIAL OUTLOOK - GOOD
2011/2012:
2010 rookie salary for 2011/12 = 2,224,600 So
This is the year where things get slightly hairier, as Spencer Hawes is an RFA this year. It appears all the rookie deals are deals on players we'd want to keep, other than Spencer who's QO is roughly some 4 odd million. Obviously, it would be prudent to extend the QO, but then at what cost do we re-sign Spence? With Okafor on board, and JT/Greene needing extensions the next year, and Evans/Casspi the year after, this is the pivotal to decide, what do we do with who. We have just under 56 million commited to 10 players. Add a 1st round pick, probably around 1-2 million a year and that's 57-58 million for 11 players. A cheap 2nd round pick or a vet min salary could help bring the total roster to 12 or just re-signing Brockman to a modest contract and then we have to decide do we extend Spencer? Or do we let him go. My money is on extending Spencer. He's just too talented at such a young age to let go, especially when you consider the position he plays, and the fact that bigs ALWAYS take additional time to develop. Of course, we'll have another 1.5 years to evaluate Spencers worth. But how much would you throw at him considering age, postion, talent, etc. I'd guess he finds him self at around 9 million a year annually for 6 years on average. To pull that off within the current CBA he's need to be getting roughly 7.5 million give or take. That'd put an estimated total salary at 65-66 million dollar range, which might put us up right next to the LTT. This might be a nice year to have Nocioni's contract off the books in all honesty, just for the sake of having some financial Breathing room. FINANCIAL OUTLOOK - GOOD, but TIGHT.
2012/2013:
This is the year that Andres Nocioni deal comes off the books, which is definitely helpful. As now we need to extend one or both of Thompson and Greene. In my mind, Thompson is an obvious no brainer to re-sign. However, Greene, while I like him, is definitely a question mark. Gauging by today's evaluation of his play, IMO, I think we will end up, WANTING to resign Greene.
Adding up the salaries, we'll have an additional 13 million added to our payroll between the Rookie 2010, Rookie 2011 and Rookie 2012 along with 8-8.5 million going to Hawes. Our salary BEFORE extending Thompson/Greene will be around 67 million. Add in Thompson's new Salary alone(estimating a similar contract to what Spencer gets -- 6 years @ 50-55 million) and we're looking at being Lux Tax payers this year. Extedning Greene might be something similar to what Garcia got, 6 years 30-35 million range. It appears to me that one or both of Udrih and/or Garcia needs to be moved for a shorter contract to be able to afford Okafor this year considering the obligatory additions and contracts of younger players. We'd have roughly 12(13) players tied up to 75(76) million give or take. This might be the ONE year we're lux tax payers as both Cisco and Beno are potentially off the books next year.
FINANCIAL OUTLOOK - POOR
2013/2014:
Martin's off the books at a savings of 12.5 million dollars. He'll be 30 years old going into the off-season. If still on the roster by then, I think he would definitely consider re-signing at a reduced rate. Something like 4 or 5 years at just above the MLE(like 7-8 million a year, maybe even a declining at that point. He'll still be a VERY useful player, but his best days will be coming to end very soon from that point on. He could be the wiry veteran presence along with Emeka to keep our team competing.
Beno's off the books, and Cisco has a team option that we can decline. This is the year that we need to extend both Casspi and Evans though. Evans, gauging by today, would require a max contract(9 million BYC) and Casspi would probably need a good sized contract(probably something with a BYC around 7 million) as well. You also have rookie 2010, 2011, 2012 and now rookie 2013 on board, which would add an addtional 6-7 million in salary. That's 12 players on our roster(4 guaranteed rookie contracts Okafor, Thompson, Hawes, Casspi, Evans, Greene, Brockman and the re-signing of Martin(4 years 30 million with the base year being around 8 million) @ around 70 million(probably right up against the tax burden).
FINANCIAL OUTLOOK: OKAY, but TIGHT.
At which point, Okafor expires and gives the Kings the breathing room to continue competing(if they re-sign him at a reduced rate or let him go altogether).
So forecasting the future, I see the Kings realistically being a tax paying team in the penultimate year of Okafor's deal, making no other trades to free up future salary. I'm much more in favor of adding an Okafor, than say, a Bosh or Amare or Boozer for these reasons).
1) Okafor would be cheaper IMO.
2) Okafor wouldn't require giving up much other than future capspace, thus keeping most, all of our current assets.
3) Okafor would be signed for at least 1 less year, maybe even 2 less years than either Bosh, Amare or Boozer(as they'd likely require a SnT, requiring an extra year along with more financial commitment, along with some type of value exiting to their former teams).
4) And most importantly Okafor fills a gaping void on the Kings roster that consists of defensive rebounding and protecting the paint. We don't need another ball dominant player, and I think Okafor is an Ideal fit for the way this current Kings team is constructed.
So in short, I think we should deal for Okafor and look to move one or both of Beno and.or Garcia to abstain from being a taxpaying team.
This article is proof that it's ALWAYS easier to spend other people's money.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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No way we do it just for K9 contract.
They need to give us another asset or take something else back.
Agreed
This is the same type of deal that pisses us off when someone suggests that we deal Martin for expiring.
The Hornets dealt the shorter contract of Chandler for the longer contract of Okafor. I doubt that they did that just so they could turn around and dump him for expiring contract.
But after all of that is said and done, if New Orleans is willing to give us Okafor for Thomas, I’m for it.
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actually, I think NOH traded for Okafor....
…for THAT very purpose Section 214. I think they figured, Chandler’s not taking us to the promised land, let’s take a flier on Emeka, if it works GREAT we’re locked in moving forward with a contender. But if it doesn’t work, then we can probably move him at the deadline for expirings. I think they felt Okafor had more trade value and that it would be a LOT more realistic to try and get expirings for Okafor than Chandler. Because moving that contract really alleviates a lot of fiscal problems they’re having there and allows them to retain the player with more value to them in David West.
The reason for dealing Kevin Martin for expirings is a ridiculous proposition to us is because we’re nowhere near the LTT. We’re currently 4-5 million UNDER the soft salary cap. If we were 3-4 million over the LT, and we’re paying and additional 3-4 million and we were a fringe playoff team, then yeah, maybe dealing Martin for expirings at that point would have some merit.
The Kings and Hornets are in totally different places and that comparison hold little validity. The Kings are on the ascendency and Martin is either their #1 or #2 player. THe Hornets appear to be stagnating around the bottom of the playoff barrel and Okafor is their #3 guy there.
They gotta figure out a way to build around Paul/West their two best players. Moving Okafor’s hefty deal and waiting a year for Peja, Songaila, Peterson, Brown and other to come off the books, could make them a serious threat in 2011 to grab an impact player that fits with their team better as obviously the Okafor experiment hasn’t materialized as had hoped.
You make a great arguement, nice post!
I say do it.
I can't see it...
First off, good post. It is an intriguing thought that deserves consideration. That said, I am not a big Okafor fan. Granted, he is a rock solid rebounder and good defender, but he has never improved his offensive game either from the floor or from the free throw line, where he is abysmal. And while I understand that big men are overpaid in the NBA, paying an offensively limited player 11-15 million dollars over the next 5 years seems too much to me.
More importantly though, I would like the deal more if, on average, the Kings’ core players were a few years older, but they aren’t. While Okafor likely would help the Kings become a playoff team, I can’t see him being the player they need to get them deep into the playoffs. Stay financially flexible, be patient and the right deal will present itself. Time is on the Kings side…
"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."
Concerning Okafor's offense....
..I don’t think I necessarily buy that he needs to be a 20/10 guy. In fact, I think that’d be a bad fit. Evans and Martin are our main scorers, they’ll need around 30-35 shots between them. Okafor is more an opportunistic scorer. He sets good screens, rebounds and cleans up a lot of the mess that might occur when two DRIVING guards attack the basket, draw attention away from Okafor, miss and allow him to come in a clean up that miss. He’s capable of 20/10, but if he got 15/12 or 14/11 that’d be better than 22/7. We need someone to enforce the defense in the paint, be able to man up the big men in the league in 1 on 1 defense and also have some weakside protection AT THE BASKET, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, we need to shore up our defensive rebounding more than anything. I think Okafor accomplishes all that. Last time I checked, our offense seems to be humming along. It’s defensively where we are struggling and adding an Okafor behind an Evans, Martin, Greene trip on the wings could go a long way to improving the overall defense of the team.
I see Evans being the guy...
…that takes us deep into the playoffs moving forward. I don’t think we necessarily need that Tim Duncan player in our FA addition. I think we have plenty of players that can score, but after assessing the other bigs in the league, I think Okafor is the best fit, the best need and the most likely to be obtained.
Well thought out and presented
One of the things about Petrie being such a great talent evaluator during lottery pick years, is that each year the Kings will have to look to re-sign those players to hefty contracts. That is a good thing. There is enough young talent here plus upcoming draft picks, that the Kings will have a lot of flexibility to make moves to fill voids in their roster.
Something has to happen with this roster sooner rather then later. When Martin returns, we cut Sean May. When Cisco returns, who is wearing suit and tie to each game? My guess is K9. Not sure if it would make it easier or harder to move him as an expiring if he is playing 0 minutes. Guess it wouldn’t matter much because when Martin and Cisco return, that is exactly how many minutes he will get anyhow. I see a reduced roles for Ime and Sergio in the near future.
All of this to say that I agree with your assesment, and it would be great to move Noc and K9 now. If only to keep the core of the team playing minutes together. If we can fill a void at the same time, that would be perfect.
Noce & K9
I want Okefor on the team as much as anyone but Noce needs to go with K9. I think GP knows that too. He will be a very good back up for Peja with his injury issues. He might even be able to start in front of him. Let Hilton Armstrong start at center giving the kid “sink or swim” minutes.
by allbenji's on Jan 7, 2010 3:42 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Noc isn't really the problem....
….financially speaking. Sure I want him gone for other reasons, but it’s Beno and/or Garcia contracts moved for lesser contracts that would make the biggest impact from a financial pov.
20 something centers averaging a double double for their career:
Dwight Howard
Emeka Okafor
That is the whole list.
Al Horford (9.6 reb), Brook Lopez (8.5 reb) and Marc Gasol (8.1 reb) could ascend to this list.
This is why I have my doubts that Okafor can be had for expiring contract. I would loved to be proved wrong by Geoff Petrie and the Kings on this.
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Agreed
We’d have to throw in a few more chips – and as long as its not one of our starters, I’m fine with it.
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
This is why I have my doubts that Okafor can be had for expiring contract. I would loved to be proved wrong by Geoff Petrie and the Kings on this.
I think you underestimate the Hornets’ financial situation, especially considering they need to lock up both Paul and West very soon. I’d be shocked if they’d turn down Thomas for Okafor straight up.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 7, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
Not to hurt your point
Both West & Paul have 2 years on their contracts (both are past their rookie deals now) after this season.
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Doesn't mean they don't need to lock them up
Okafor has five years remaining. They’re playing like crap and their cap situation isn’t very good.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 7, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
But it does mean that they don't have to lock them up
They are locked up, and trading Okafor doesn’t change that.
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It's a matter of what they'll be paying in 2012
If they keep Okafor, they’ll be paying $10 mil for him on top of a max deal for Paul and a near-max deal for West in 2012. If they move him before then, they don’t have that $10 mil in the way. But the main reason the Hornets would be interested is to move themselves out of luxury tax territory (or at least reduce their tax liability). And that’s why I think they’d do Thomas for Okafor. The question is, do we want that cap space, or would we rather have Okafor for four years after this year? I’m really not sure. If you think both of Hawes and Thompson would pan out, it’d be a bad idea. If you think only one or neither of those two will pan out, it’s a smart move.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 7, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
So if their problem is in 2012,
why do they have to play giveaway two years in advance?
If they deal Okafor this year, they will have to take contract back (though the Thomas trade would save them a little under $3 million when you factor in luxury tax). They could deal Okafor after the season to any team with cap space and probably net a draft pick in return. They could then turn around and sell that pick for $3 million, as they have done in the past. They wind up in the exact same spot financially, and they retain Okafor for this year. The Hornets are currently only 1 game out of the playoffs. If they retain Okafor and make the playoffs, that additional revenue would put them ahead of dealing Okafor now.
As far as Thompson and Hawes are concerned, I see both of them as capable NBA players, but I would be pleasantly surprised if either ascended to all star level. Okafor is a better defender, rebounder and shot blocker than either of those guys today, and the KIngs could certainly use his skills. When you factor in injuries, there would be plenty of time for each of these guys.
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If you were a team with cap space this offseason,
considering the free agents that will be available, would you give up that cap space plus a draft pick for Emeka Okafor? I doubt anyone would. I think they’d go after Bosh, Dirk, Joe Johnson, etc. before even considering giving up JUST the money for Okafor, let alone a pick also (see the Clippers’ trade of a second-round draft pick swap for Marcus Camby). And I’d argue Camby was worth more at the time since he’s a slightly better player than Okafor AND an expiring contract.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 7, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
One way of looking at it
Another way of looking at it is that Jason Richardson fetched a #8 pick, Ray Allen a #5 pick, Vlade Divac a #13 pick. So I guess it depends on the situation.
A lot of teams are making a play for the big free agents this year, but a couple of the teams are going to get left standing at the altar. Okafor could be the solution for those teams.
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True
Who knows what the Hornets will do. Honestly they should’ve just kept Chandler. I think I’d do Kenny Thomas for Okafor straight up…I’m just gunshy from the Webber deal that net us Thomas in the first place. I hate paying more than a player’s worth, but…it happens. Not trying to be a dick with this discussion, so I hope I didn’t come off as one.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 7, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
I neglected to mention
That Okafor’s salaries escalate…
2010-2011 – $11.54 mil
2011-2012 – $12.54 mil
2012-2013 – $13.54 mil
2013-2014 – $14.54 mil
So after this year’s he’s on the hook for approximately $52.16 mil over four years.
I guess my main issue with all of this is this: in 2011-2012, Hawes will either be due a qualifying offer, in which case he’ll be a RFA and a UFA after the season, or he’ll have to be signed to a long-term deal. Jason Thompson and Donte Greene will face the same decision the next season. I guess I’m just worried that if Hawes DOES step it up and become the guy we hope he can be (Vlade?), we’ll have to “show him the money” AND pay Okafor the amounts above AND pay Martin, Beno, and Garcia a combined $27 mil or so. That’s around $40 mil for JUST Martin, Beno, Garcia, and Okafor in 12-13 and 13-14, plus whatever Tyreke and Casspi are making, plus the three guys listed above, plus whatever draft picks we have on tap.
I don’t like committing to the Okafor contract with the Martin/Udrih/Garcia contracts already locked in long-term, and our young guys getting more expensive by the year. I’d rather see if we can get a cheap, young big man from someone or just save it for the draft, which Petrie has been killing for years (minus the Douby pick).
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 7, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
That's why you have to include Noce
to cut salary now & by the time you really have to worry about Okefor’s contract Garcia & Udrih should be tradeable. I would even include a lottery protected 1st rounder if NO agreed to take Nocioni. Even with Petrie’s track record I seriously doubt we get a 6’10" rebounding, shotblocking, offensively tolerable top 10 center in this draft. Good player? Sure. Nice power forward? Sure.
by allbenji's on Jan 8, 2010 12:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I originally felt we needed to move Noc to accomodate 'Meka's contract...
….but after reviewing this, it’s evident that moving Noconi for FINANCIAL purposes is more a luxury than a necessity. It’s Beno in particular, that final year, that’s most problematic to adding Okafor. We can choose to roll the dice now and move it later, or we can try to do it prior to dealing for Okafor.
I do agree though that moving Nocioni should happen sooner than later though. He just doesn’t fit with our roster any more after we get healed up. There’s no point in keeping him around on that bigger type deal to play the role that he’d have here. So moving him would be prudent, but not necessary.
You're the devil
I’d just like to let you know I’m aware of such phenomena.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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I am not making a fruit salad, so I have no need for Peaches
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 8, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Any fruit salad tastes better without that Peaches in it anyway.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
CP3 is locked up for the next 2 and a half years before his player option kicks in
West is under contract for another year and a half before he can terminate early. I think you overestimate the need for the Hornets to do something right now as it pertains to the contracts of Mr Paul and Mr. West.
However, they do need to shed salary to avoid luxury tax implications this and next year. Whether that is enough for them to flat give Okafor away remains to be seen. I would think that they would want Brockman or Greene or a future draft pick at the very least. Again, I hope that I’m wrong. Time will tell.
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I think the Kings turned the Hornets down
Not the other way around. I’m sure the Hornets were trying to shed salary for this season, and avoid lux tax for next season as well before making the moves they needed.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
This
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 7, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
i would give any of those for Okafor
hard to say because i like to ponder the future and think Greene will be excellent but we need the D
i am not cool with spending more money
When you consider next season, Shock and Hawes will be better, we may get another decent big in the draft, and we will already be looking good regardless with Evans sophomore season and the hope the Kev plays 60 games.
Why spend the money when there are cheaper options just as good? I’m sure that is how the Maloofs are feeling right now.
I am not willing to give up this years draft pick. Getting Okafor is not the answer to making us a contender right now. We still might not make the playoffs even if we added him.
I say, just sit tight, unless you can move the longer contracts of Garcia, Beno, and Nocioni for something shorter. In this economy, I can’t think of a team that goes for that.
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by Ice_9ine on Jan 8, 2010 10:19 AM PST via mobile reply actions
now, if they took a couple of those...
If New Orleans have us cheaper, shorter contracts along with Okafor, and took K9, along with say, Nocioni and Garcia? I would do that.
Kings get Okafor, Peja, Wright
Hornets get Thomas, Nocioni, and either Garcia or Beno (Garcia is cheaper for them)
Then, next season, we can package Peja and Beno together for more flexibility.
This is what I would want in a trade for Okafor. I still prefer no action. But if it has to be done, let’s get rid of some of our longer contracts.
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by Ice_9ine on Jan 8, 2010 10:34 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, i like that too.
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by Ice_9ine on Jan 8, 2010 2:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Okafor
In terms of talent where would he rate, for the money he makes and will make I’d say hell no.
Who has a bigger upside JT or Okafor, if JT develops I’d want him. If I’m taking on a big long term contract I want a player with skill and who is a proven winner
The Hornets are hurting financially why bail them out, if the Maloofs are willing to spend as they supposedly are I think there are better deals to be had
I just don't understand patience right now
last season? Sure. Last offseason? Sure. But now? We are closer to the playoffs than anyone anywhere thought we would be so why not go for it? Now does this make us a championship team this year? Doubt it but growth together as a team will. I feel the pieces we have + Okefor could contend for a championship with growth together. That’s just my opinion. Ultimately the only one that matters is GP’s so if GP does it I would be ecstatic.
by allbenji's on Jan 8, 2010 1:15 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I'd be down with getting Okafor
but patience should have nothing to do with the decision. If you have a chance to make your team better, then you do it. At the same time, we still need development from our young guys and that takes time. Time = patience.
We were the worst team in the league last year, and we’ve barely played over 30 games this season. You don’t go from the bottom of the league to the playoffs the next season (unless you tank like Miami and get D-Wade back the following season). We’re still in rebuilding mode, let’s not kid ourselves.
You all know I’m all for optimism and looking at the bright spots with this team, but we are still a bit far from being an established playoff team. Why rush the process when everything is going so smooth?
Again, you wanna do Okafor for K-9? Personally, not 100% in it (because of $$) but if you do it, that’s great for the team; a big upgrade up front and fills a need. But don’t do it just to make the playoffs this year. Do it because it will allow the team in 2-3 years to be an established playoff team that will contend for a championship for years to come.
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This is pretty close to how I feel
of course veteran like ed is going to write it better than me. But I do think this will take us to the playoffs this year & deeper in the playoffs as this team grows. In other words I don’t believe this move will cripple us to a life of 7th & 8th seeds & 1st round exits.
by allbenji's on Jan 8, 2010 2:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
& let me repeat myself over & over
I only do this if Nocioni is included.
by allbenji's on Jan 8, 2010 2:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, let them take Noc too.
Say we make the 8 seed with Okafor, and match up against the Lakers. We have Kevin
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by Ice_9ine on Jan 8, 2010 3:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You could simplify the deal to make it:
Okafor for Nocioni. This accomplishes the Lux. tax objective for NOH.
We could also include Thomas and May for Mo Pete and Darius if they want a little more cap savings this summer.
A final roster of:
C: Okafor, Hawes
PF: Thompson, Brockman, Songaila
SF: Greene, Casspi, Udoka
SG: Martin, Garcia, Mo Pete
PG: Evans, Beno, Sergio
Looks pretty good to me.
I just posted this on At The Hive
What’s up Sacto? I really think you guys are overestimating the Hornets salary issues/ underestimating the ability to shed salary this year and next year.
We are 3.3 over this year. We just have to pay someone 3 mill to take 2 of our contracts. Hilton plus another one of our scrubs and it is done. Period. The deal won’t be made until later because the farther along the contract is, the less remaing salary a team will have to pay next year.
Also, we know that the going rate for cap relief is a first and an expring for six million in relif. That’s the deal the Jazz got from OKC. We can make that same move next year with any one of the teams that will be below the cap or with one of the teams that has a trade exception. That gets us right around the luxry tax line for next year. Also I’m pretty sure we can give away Posey to a contender, and Julian Wright for the same deal we will do this year for Hilton.
In other words the deal isn’t impossible, and it doesn’t require use to give up a legit 5 just for cap space. The idea that any team with some financial issues is just willing to give up a quality 5 without an adequate replacement is kind of silly. I’ve said before the Chandler move was a little different because we were getting some quality stop gaps, and we would have been in a position to trade for another center last summer. We won’t be in the same boat this year.
This was a rumor floated by Sacto plain and simple. Sacremetno didn’t “turn down” this move, it was never offered. It makes no sense coming from New Orleans. Moving Meka is WAY to drastic a move. Good luc k with the rest of the year guys.
Thanks for the input
I agree with almost all of this, and I equate the “Okafor for cap space” rumors to the “Trade Kevin Martin because Tyreke is not a point guard” hyperbole.
The one place I will take exception is your statement that the rumore was floated by the Kings. The Kings have never done business this way, and the rumor began on a national level. The rumor began exactly the same way that the Martin rumor began – a random thought by a random national source that did not research the idea in any way, shape or form. I do agree that the Kings did not turn down this offer, because I too believe that it was never offered. But don’t lay this at the feet of the KIngs. This is the work of Peter Vecsey or Stephen A. Smith or ESPN, not the Sacramento Kings.
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fair enough
I guess I hadn’t considered that it was a rumor floated on a national level. I’m willing to believe that it wasn’t the Kings because honestly, I don’t know as much as you do about how your front office runs things.
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