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The Evaporation of Determination: Warriors 108, Kings 101

The Kings, the players, were outsmarted time and again in the second half by the Warriors. The Warriors.

That's a trapping of youth and inexperience, no matter how tired of hearing that you are. There has seemed to be a need over the past week to reject the excuse, that a team of 20-, 21-, 22-year-olds just doesn't has the court savvy and mental stamina to keep a lead for 48 minutes, or to stay within a dozen at all times. But the excuse is valid. When Tyreke Evans gets a steal and rushes to make a play, ignoring the swarming defense of Golden State and eventually losing the ball, how else do you explain that? Evans is basketball mature for a rookie, and for a 20-year-old. But that doesn't mean he's never subject to bad decisions.

You can't exactly blame inexperience on Beno Udrih's two unconscionable 24-second violations in the fourth quarter. But Udrih clearly made the case during the game and in his post-game comments that ball movement and off-ball motion were to blame. On review, he's right. And the problem wasn't limited to those two possessions. Throughout the second half, the motion offense gummed up, and the team relied heavily on high screen-rolls and basic post set-ups. (There were some nice possessions, but they were rare.)

Most frustrating, to me at least, is that this is the type of team we expected -- a hard-working but overmatched club -- coming into the season. Five-game losing streaks would not have been surprising, were it not for the spirited run of wins through November and December. This is the Kings as it should given current circumstances -- not losers of five straight, but 14-21, 13th place in the conference, on pace for 30something wins. This is the situation laid bare, and to me there's no use getting distraught over it. We've seen some highs, indications of the highs to come. And, as I keep reminding myself, Kevin Martin will be back next week. We'll be OK.

Star-divide

Jon Brockman played 12-1/2 minutes in the first half. The Kings were +9. He played 4 minutes in the second half. The Kings, leading, played the Warriors even. (As in, Brockman started the third quarter with the Kings up 15. When he left the game 4 minutes in, the Kings were up 15.) Of course, once Brockman sat, the Warriors went +19 the rest of the game. Perhaps keeping Brockman in for more second half minutes wouldn't have helped. But the team performed better with him in the first half, and has performed better with him in the game all season. Nessie can be foul machine, but he had only one against Golden State, and in fairness to him the Warriors will drawing fouls on everyone.

Tyreke Evans is purported to be the best Kings defender, but Monta Ellis absolutely scorched him all night, from tip to whistle. That's fine -- Ellis scorches almost everyone -- but the Kings defense never really adjusted to slow Ellis. A few pick-and-roll shows forced Ellis into long jumpers ... but the showing defender never really got up on Ellis, and he sank a few. Eight points in the first, 10 in the second, eight in the third, 13 in the fourth. All day. Similarly, Omri Casspi had trouble keeping up with Stephen Curry in the first and third quarters. It's a lot to ask, sending a rookie forward to chase a rookie point guard with an unbelievably quick trigger and range. Omri fought, but didn't win his battle. That has happened only rarely this season, and the same can be said for Evans. But again, expecting as much as we have gotten out of the rookies would have been foolish at season's start.

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Well stated TZ

I think the frustration of watching this team is the predictable nature of their fourth quarter performance. I understand that the defenses tighten up, but clearly the Kings tighten up as well. There’s more pounding of the ball and less off ball movement – we end up seeing contested jump shot after turnover after contested jump shot.

This is more concerning than the Lakers or the Cavs’ games IMO – because it’s the Warriors fer chrissakes! There’s no need to go into a prevent offense against these guys.

And yes, I think Brockman should have gotten more run. I’d like to have seen him and Hawes get a look down the stretch.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Jan 9, 2010 7:47 AM PST reply actions  

My only problem with this game is the expectations

I don’t expect this team to wow me every time out, and when I get “wowed” I take it as a double bonus type of thing. It’s not that I’m happy the team wins because I don’t expect it; it’s just that I know how difficult it is for a young team, even with talented players that the Kings DO have, to completely turn around a team in just one season.

If the Baby Royals don’t learn how to play hard with energy, effort, and execution (the 3 E’s we’ll call them—so clever isn’t it?) every night against every opponent, they’ll learn that getting your ass handed to by the dumpy Dubs is always possible. Watching Monta Ellis go off for 39 against you is understandable, but you have to make him earn it. It came very easy for Monta last night.

Amen on missing Kevin Martin, but I don’t think he’s the complete solution to all these problems. I wish he was, but he won’t solve the lack of people movement off the ball completely. There has to be a complete commitment to that, and since players have to learn how to do such things in the NBA environment, the learning curve is steep.

Baby Royals HOOOOOOOOO!

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by pookeyguru on Jan 9, 2010 7:56 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

this one did hurt

     “I stand here at the bar and I hold an empty glass, my lilfe’s a mess and I wait for you to pass.” Courtesy of the Superbowl half time performing guitarist. That is how I felt after the game and I have not had a drink in 25 years. I thought the same thing Otis. This one hurt more than the Lakers or the Cavs.
       The one bright spot, Spencer was great off the bench.
        Keeping it short, getting tired of the losses. We still need help in the middle.

by noreboundsnorings on Jan 9, 2010 8:01 AM PST reply actions  

I'm not trippin

this team won 17 games last year. Yeah they’ve played well this year, but still, they won 17 games. If they win 30, that’s a huge improvement, and something to build on. Gotta look big picture.

Plus, add in Martin and Garcia coming back …… things will be just fine. Yeah, watching them stink up the 4th quarter sucks, but it’s better than watching them play like that for all 4 quarters, like we had to last year.

by Dub_TC on Jan 9, 2010 8:01 AM PST reply actions  

Great post TZ

I agree with your observations. This year is supposed to be a building year, but losses like last night’s and the OT losses a couple weeks ago are maddening. Tyreke needs to learn that he can’t do it all, Beno needs a stopwatch, Spencer needs to play hard every game and for God sake get Brockman on the court more! Can’t wait for Martin and Cisco to get back in the mix and for GP to do something about adding a 3rd “big”. Hopefully they get it back on track for tonights game. Tonight will be a rarity for me. I get to take my firefighter son to a game. With his schedule it’s hard for us to get together, so I’m looking forward to it as well as a win. Go Kings!

Purveyor of Bull Plop

by SayWhat? on Jan 9, 2010 8:11 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah. Agreed.

I think ‘Reke and Monta scorched each other all night. The difference was that the Warriors came up with a scheme to stop ’Reke with double and triple teams. Defensively, I don’t really recall our boyz helping or sagging in the paint to stop Monta’s drives (or anybody’s penetration all season for that matter). I would have liked to see someone else on the Dubs try to beat us. Maggette scored mostly from the stripe and Curry didn’t shoot enough to warrant a hot hand.

Who’s ‘Reke really going to pass to when nobody’s hitting their shots? Beno, Noc and Casspi could not find their range last night. Brocktimus played great as usual. Was there a reason Hawes didn’t play in the last 5 minutes? I felt he had a tremendous second half and didn’t play like he was proud of himself for being up 18 points. Eh, like Z said, we’ll be OK. We’ve said it all season long – we would have never competed every game like this last year. Go Kings.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Jan 9, 2010 9:01 AM PST reply actions  

even if they are missing you can't stop making the pass

there is no line in the sand that you cross and say “nobody is making my shots so i’m not passing anymore.” this is the nba and you have to trust that your nba shooters are going to hit their shots no matter how many they’ve missed. I would rather lose due to missed open looks than on last night’s turnover shitshow.

I understand the argument that those 24 sec violations weren’t beno’s fault but I don’t totally agree. he has the talent to get his own shot. if you are dribbling with 8 sec on the shot clock and you realize your teammates aren’t doing shit, free yourself and jack up a jumper. you’re one of the best shooters in the world. there’s a better chance to score with that than to dribble out the clock, make a nice bounce pass to the ref and whine to the bench.

goddamnit lets get back on track. this team already has me hooked and I can’t go back to “natt” caring.

by lchristmas on Jan 9, 2010 9:14 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Gee...

Thinking back to basketball 101, when your shot isn’t falling, be agressive and go to the hole to score or draw a foul and get your points at the line (see Kevin Martin) and put the opposition if foul trouble. Thus endeth the lesson for today.

Purveyor of Bull Plop

by SayWhat? on Jan 9, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

should read

….put the opposition ‘in’ foul trouble. (Note to self, use ‘preview’ function)

Purveyor of Bull Plop

by SayWhat? on Jan 9, 2010 9:49 AM PST reply actions  

We need to rock the house tonight...

You guys all make great points. It’s part of what makes me love this place: even after a tough loss, Kings fans can still critically & objectively talk about the team.

Yes, last night’s loss was devastating. I was at Oracle & had to walk past thousands of jubilant Warriors fans who gave me a hard time for wearing my Kings gear. But the Kings played hard in front of a hostile crowd. I was proud of them. In the future, the difference is that we win the game by 10 instead of losing at the end. The 4th quarter meltdown was bad but it only capped off a string of heartbreaking losses lately that remind us how inexperienced this team is.

The Kings are not as good as we thought a few weeks ago but they’re not as bad as the current losing streak suggests. This constitutes major progress over last season. PW will keep the morale high. I like that he doesn’t panic. From his time at Pepperdine, he’s used to coaching young players & understands how fragile their confidence can be. For now, he’s the best coach for this team (despite his flaws).

Guys, we need to rally & come out tonight against Denver & root for our young Kings with all the pent up rage, frustration & passion of the last few weeks. If you’re free tonight, head out to the game. I live in the bay area but even I’m making this unplanned trip to Sac. The Kings are hurting. The Kings are down. This is when the team needs us crazy cow-bell toting fans.

Let’s freaking rock Arco tonight…

by MadProphet on Jan 9, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm pinning this one on PW

I do think he’s the best coach the Kings have ever had but he stepped in it last night. I don’t understand keeping Brockman on the bench through the forth quarter, but that’s only one.

by KingsFan on Jan 9, 2010 10:18 AM PST reply actions  

Super Rookie

Still needs to mature. Six TOs and most due to his inability to avoid double teams. He simply needs to have more trust in his team mates.

by KingsFan on Jan 9, 2010 10:25 AM PST reply actions  

Back in the Day...

when the Kings were a 50+ win team, players would step up. If Vlade or Peja missed a game, a guy like Hedo or Bobby Jackson or DC would go off. They were so talented they would compensate for a key players absence. No Peja? No problem, Doug Christie would go out and score 20+ instead of 12 points, and make key baskets in key moments, and we win.

With K-Mart out all season, we have needed a secondary and third scoring option. We have needed go-to players. Beno has been go-to. So as Omri. And Tyreke of course is at the top of the list. And we hovered near .500 as these guys filled these roles.

As I look up and down the roster, there are a couple of guys who logically would be expected to fill the role of main scoring option in the absence of our best player: Noccioni and JT. And both have let us down. They have let us down in crucial moments and most of the season. Our recent losing streak is not about ball movement, youth, nor inexperience. (Part of it, OK, but not the main culprit.) The losing we are seeing is about individual players not rising up and performing to the best of their ability. PW cannot and will not say this in a post game presser, and rightfully so. A coach can’t point fingers at individuals, and publicly say ‘you stink’. But this is the reality without Kevin.

The Grizzlies (19-16) and OKC (18-17) have records the Kings would like to have. They are not better because of more experience and less youth. They are better because individual players are stepping up, filling roles, and performing as a cohesive unit, as the best Kings teams did back in the day. More talent will see the Kings rise in the standings. Not more time.

by bench_blob on Jan 9, 2010 10:27 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Agree and disagree

Yes, we need more talent, even after Martin and Garcia return. But we also need more time.

Just look at OKC at this time last year. They weren’t that great (and let’s remember they finished the season with 23 wins). What a difference a year (and James Harden?) makes. Durant is better, Westbrook is a lot, lot better.

Memphis added Zach Randolph, but their youngsters are playing with more experience. I would be interested to see how this team would be perfoming without Rudy Gay as we have had to play without Martin. And Mayo and Gasol are both better this year than last year.

The KIngs are at least a year behind these teams in the rebuilding process. They could catch and pass these teams in the next couple of years. But today, time is a contributing factor. Not the sole source of the Kings challenges, as they need more talent, especially up front. But you can’t discount time as a factor here, in my opinion.

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by section214 on Jan 9, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes

And with a few exceptions (such as Hedo) the role players who stepped up during the glory years were veterans.

Udrih has stepped up but others need to do the same in order for us to win the close games. Last night, Thompson, Nocioni and Casspi shot a combined 9 for 33. Ouch. In the future, Thompson & Casspi learn from these growing pains & hit the big shots they missed against the Warriors. While talent is a huge factor, so is time…

However, last night, one role player did step up & conjure images of Jim Jackson or Bobby Jackson leading the bench mob & that was Ime Udoka, who was surprisingly savage in his rare start with 19 points and 14 boards. I was at the game & the fans started groaning every time he was open. Ime was money.

One thing about Petrie is, he knows how to assemble a bench. Let’s not forget ‘Cisco was out. Yes, he can be a bit overrated but I would’ve loved to have his firepower off the bench last night.

by MadProphet on Jan 9, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

The RoYs played like boys

This team tripped itself up with inexperience however don’t discount the Warriors offensive juggernaut. Sometimes the team that tries to win by outscoring you can win by outscoring you. More so, minus the 17 points of comeback, this Kings team looked oddly familiar as the 35 point ChiBulls team of one month ago.

The recent history of this team: blown leads. Usually they are accompanied by a combeback and sometimes they are with a win (at home). That this same scenario has played out against the Lakers (twice) and the Cavaliers only hurts more against the Warriors because they are, well, the Warriors.

Second verse same as the first: once the team learns to trust each other, play defense as a unit not as individuals and gets some hair on their chest in the experience department expect some reruns.

by betweentheeyes on Jan 9, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree with you TZ

Still, there’s only one thing I have to say about the 4th quarter.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 9, 2010 10:55 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

We died

Ball movement died last night and so did we. Sergio did not get more burn, which could have brought some of it back late in the game and Brockman could have been added to toughen up the defense…

Ultimately, PW stayed with the same line up cause he thought it was best, but it wasn’t working and he didn’t adjust. Evans was getting double and triple teamed, but he didn’t run plays that capitalized on that. In the past I have seen him call a time out and then immediately following Evans is passing out of these situations and making the other teams pay.

Overall the defense fizzled and collapsed almost completely. And everybody accepted that and let it happen. Evaporation of determination pretty much describes it. As does an acceptance of a losing situation without doing a damn thing to change it.

I thought we got past accepting losing, but last night shows we have not quite killed that beast completely.

by MustangMBS on Jan 9, 2010 11:07 AM PST reply actions  

getting frustrating

now with garcia OR martin, i believe we would have easily finished off that game.
garcia and martin are prime finishers and they have proved themselves before

i have no idea why thompson was in the game late as he had nothing going offensively.
he had 3 TO’s….one on a point blank pass to a posting tyreke, one on a terrible crosscourt pass decision, and the late offensive foul

i would have taken any other big man in that game in crunch time except kenny thomas..
if there was ever a game for sean may to play in, this was the one.

may is not good at pretty much anything, but he can shoot the mid range jumper, which would have been a perfect fit when golden state rotated their whole defense towards evans, resulting in multiple kick out oppurtunities, and i think may would have hit them

nocionis multiple wide open misses also cost us dearly

the officiating wasnt that bad, except for the play when radmanovich purposely tried to foul hawes and they still didnt call it
what annoyed me was the warrior fans booing every time we got a call as if we were getting every call…..look at the box score idiots..u guys had 14 more FT’s than us.

by Surprise Team on Jan 9, 2010 11:37 AM PST reply actions  

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“Tyreke Evans blows late in the fourth quarter.”

/runs for cover

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 9, 2010 11:55 AM PST reply actions  

Brock didn't play in the 2nd half did he?

I didn’t mind the last few loses where we mostly fought hard against good teams and lost. This game was more of a meltdown but that’s going to happen with young teams.

Our roster and depth is much better than last year. I’d like to see us finish about 10th in the west (would mean climbing above memphis, the clips, and the jazz) which would show solid improvement and still give give Petrie a top 15 pick to work with.

We’re still at least a solid draft pick and a free agent/big trade (my vote is sign and trade Martin and Hawes for Bosh, sorry if that’s not popular) away from having a core that can grow into contention.

And brock should be getting at least 20-25 min per game. As everyone is starting to notice he makes good things happen. I was one of those watching shoot around before the dallas game and saw him drain about 10 10-15ft jumpers in a row. The skill set is there. He’s not the defender rodman was but his offensive game is light years better. He used to shoot that a lot more when I watched him play for UW. Hopefully PW has given him the green light to take that shot.

by ucla06 on Jan 9, 2010 12:26 PM PST reply actions  

Outscored 17-3 in the final 5:47 and we lose by 7.

Five turnovers and a shot clock violation, and no one hits a shot until 18secs. left in the game. I don’t think Martin could have saved this game. The Kings won the ORB by 9 and TR by 8, so I’m not sure Brockman helps in the 4th either since the shots we did take were missed 3’s with long rebounds. Maybe keeping Hawes in instead of subbing JT would have worked out better. Hawes had a couple of baskets, and 2 assists for Tyreke 3’s, but he was also blocked and had a turnover. So, not a bad sub really.

I read some posts about GS turning up the defense. Defense & GS in the same sentence is strange enough, turning it up is beyond my comprehension. The Kings lack of offense, doesn’t imply anyone needed to play defense. Yes, they double teamed, and we do too. But, when we double, the other team usually punishes us for it by getting the ball to the open man. That didn’t work for us because we don’t ever have someone trying to get open away from the ball, which is what a motion offense is all about.

The Kings have talented offensive players. The Kings do not have a talented offensive team. I mean, we run sets to get the ballhandler open. We don’t have a team that runs sets to get a player away from the ball open. So, when Tyreke or Beno have the ball, we run a screen, players head for the corners, and the player with the ball shots or passes into the corner.

What we don’t see is players without the ball running off of screens trying to lose their man. Or, wings cutting into the paint to screen off a bigs man to create a mismatch in the paint when their man has to switch. We don’t run plays for our Bigs at all. We give the ball to them to create. We may feed them if their man leaves to double, but we only run plays for the man with the ball.

So, when our shooters go cold, we’ve got no offense sets to create open shots for our bigs, or for players cutting to the basket. Plays that can create high percentage shots or fouls. It’s called an offensive scheme, and PW hasn’t had time to implement one yet. We run great plays coming out of timeouts, but during the game the PG and the players have to know what they’re trying to do, and implement it on their own. And, tha’ts not going to happen this early in the career of so many young players. Soon, but not yet.

So, no need to point fingers, I’m sure the players are doing enough soul searching on their own. Right now, we are who we thought we would be. So, don’t read too much into some early successes. By the end of the year, we’re going to win more of our share of games against equal & lesser talented teams. And, hopefully we surprise one more Western Conference leader.

I bet Omri, JT & Tyreke don’t have a game like this again, this week. Go Kings

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by HighTops on Jan 9, 2010 12:46 PM PST reply actions  

As HT says, There was literally no one cutting,

trying to get open in those shots clock violations and in many of the TOs as well. NO moving without the ball.

Ridiculous.

Don’t believe me? Watch the tape.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 9, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Awful, frustrating step back in my book

embarrassing to not be able to score 50 in a half on those guys.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 9, 2010 12:56 PM PST reply actions  

Good read TZ!

We will definitely be ok when Martin comes back!

Natural Go Getta!

by slamson on Jan 9, 2010 4:44 PM PST reply actions  

Dick Bevetta

Just a quick note:

Remember what Tim Donaghy said about Dick Bavetta in his book? How he likes to keep games close and not let any team keep a big lead? Well how about 19 Kings free throw attempts in the first half and only 6 in the second? Kings were called for twice as many fouls in the second half then in the first??

Food for thought.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Jan 9, 2010 6:30 PM PST reply actions  

I would have to look over a season of his ref’d games to see if there is correlation

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Jan 10, 2010 2:14 AM PST up reply actions  

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