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Pro Basketball Prospectus 2010-11 has been released for rabid fans to tear through. Written by Kevin Pelton and Bradford Doolittle, the book does much of what BasketballProspectus.com does -- delves into deep quantitative analysis to assess players and teams, trades and draft picks. Every player in the league is broken down in Prospectus, which alone makes the tome a valuable addition to your basketball library. (Hint, fantasy draft, hint.) The book goes deeper and longer than KP and Brad are able to do on the site, and it's handily portable. I can't tell you how many times I've referenced my 2009-10 edition over the past year.

Back when I first saw Pelton's SCHOENE team projections, I noticed that the Kings ended up with 43 wins in his system, just outside the Western Conference playoffs. I used the team projections to pull of a Watchability Index for The Works, and as that was the first wide release of the SCHOENE projections, it drew some attention from disbelieving fans. The Lakers at 44 wins? The Warriors in the playoffs? Boston barely over .500? How many wins for the Heat? Wait, the Blazers?

There's a lot of surprise in there, but KP's SCHOENE has a great track record. Since it's almost all good news for the Kings, I thought I'd do a short Q&A with Bradford, who wrote the Kings chapter of the book, which you can buy direct from BP or on Amazon. There's a PDF version as well as the deadtree edition. Both are excellent, though for quick reference I always prefer the pulp version.

After the jump, an excerpt from Pro Basketball Prospectus and our Q&A with Bradford Doolittle on the Kings.

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The Prospectus fellows are very high on Mr. Tyreke Evans. Here's an excerpt from the Kings chapter on our star guard.

Evans headlines the backcourt, of course. Look, the comparables that SCHOENE generates are not meant to tell you that Player X is going to be just like Player Y. Instead, the system suggests the most likely path a player’s career is going to follow and says a lot about how much upside he possesses. Evans’ top two comps are about as promising as any Kings fan could dream of: Kobe Bryant and LeBron James. Evans has a long road to travel before he gets to the level those two megastars have reached in their maturity. Right now, all we’re saying is that at 20 years old, Evans, James and Bryant shared a fairly similar starting point. You have to admit, though, that’s a pretty damned good starting point.

The next major to-do item for Petrie and Westphal is to figure out what kind of a player fits best alongside Evans, who really isn’t a one or a two but just a guard. It may not even be accurate to call him a combo guard, because that label suggests a player that mixes in a little bit of the skills of both positions. Evans does everything, and he does it well with one exception- -his jump shot. Like Derrick Rose before him and, quite probably, John Wall after him, Evans is a John Calipari-mentored guard who just needs to develop some outside shooting touch to be a truly unguardable player. He shot .255 from three-point range last season and just 32 percent on long twos. If Evans can get above league average in those sectors, he’ll be an MVP-caliber player.

And the Q&A:

StR: You're very high on Tyreke Evans, not unlike a good many NBA observers. But it's interesting that Evans hasn't exactly been the golden boy of the metric-minded -- his per-possession shooting efficiency isn't great, and his assist rate is on the low side for someone who played point guard almost exclusively a third of the season. His defensive numbers also haven't been the best. Yet, his comps are amazing and PBP projects him as a superstar (and soon). What numbers or attributes beyond the surface really make Evans sing as a prospect?

BD: Kevin Durant was barely above replacement level during his rookie year because of how inefficiently he compiled his impressive superficial numbers. Nevertheless, we never wrote that he was a bust, or was overrated because what he had going for him first and foremost was a high usage rate. The ability to create frequent offense is a marker of a standout offensive player, and Durant upped the efficiency in his second season and became a star. We're seeing the same path for Evans. He proved he can create offense. Last year, he didn't do it efficiently. However, a .264 usage rate at the age of 20, to go with his other skills, puts Evans on an elite career path. His list of comparables includes names like Bryant, James and Anthony. As for his defense, we actually had him rated as a very good defender as a rookie. He started slow, but that rating just kept going up as the season went along.

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StR: When Omri Casspi came into the league, he looked like a tough hombre who would rely on broken plays and transition for his offense. Donte Greene once looked like a magnificent high-voltage scorer who wouldn't be worth a lick on defense or in any column but "points." Yet in the NBA Casspi has become a sort-of microwave scorer and Greene is the preferred versatile defender and for-the-love-of-God-just-take-open-shots offensive liability. What have you noticed about the players that speaks to their actual potential on the court?

BD: Greene showed a lot of growth in his second season. I didn't like him coming out of Syracuse. I thought he floated on the perimeter way too much and had "underachiever" written all over him. Last year, he had much better shot selection and his efficiency improved as a result. I think he's capable of creating more offense than he does, but unless he becomes a more capable passer, I'm not sure how much you want to put the ball in his hands other than in catch-and-shoot situations. His ceiling is very high--you can see flashes of his athleticism at times when he's on the open floor. He just needs to learn how to turn it into production. Casspi showed a more full-developed offensive game than I anticipated. He just needs to become more selective from the midrange. I know Westphal likes him coming off the bench, and that's fine depending on who the starting five turns out to be. But I see Casspi as a legit starter, and our system likes his defense as well. It'll be interesting to see if some separation emerges between these two guys. If I had to choose, I'd take Casspi, but Greene has a higher ceiling.

StR: Your essay goes into some depth about finding the perfect partner for Evans, with the takeaway being that a partner that doesn't create off the dribble might provide the best complement. How big a role does Evans' own court vision play in deciding who should be his backcourt mate? Can the Kings excel if Evans is the only big-minutes guard who regularly sets up his teammates?

BD: Here's the way I look at it. Everything the Kings do from now going forward is ostensibly to augment the skill set of Evans. Long term, I think you've got a good point. The Kings' offense will be more functional if Evans is paired with a guard that can take some of the playmaking load. However, in the big picture Evans is going to have to be the guy who is making most of the decisions in the halfcourt offense and clearly that's not his strong point right now. To me, that's all the more reason why you want to put him in that position as often as possible. Pairing him with someone like Beno Udrih might be the most successful lineup in the present. Down the road, it is essential that Evans becomes a player that makes those around him better, and not just because he ties up two defenders looking for his own shot. That's why I'd like to see him surrounded by as many shooters as possible, along with a top-notch pick-and-roll partner. The latter I assume will be DeMarcus Cousins at some point.

StR: Foul rate is one of the those metrics that usually becomes less of a concern as a player gains some experience. But some big men remain foul magnets as they become veterans. That's of specific concern to Jason Thompson and DeMarcus Cousins. At what point do you consider a player foul-prone for good, and not just as a young player? Is Thompson on the verge of crossing the threshold?

BD: Thompson's foul rate did drop a little last season. I don't think it's too late for Thompson to become a smarter defender and he's got enough athleticism that he shouldn't have to be so handsy. Pairing him with a legit defending big might really pay dividends for him because I don't think he's been as good a help defender as I think he can be. Fouls are a real concern for Cousins, who faces a similar learning curve on the defensive end. While I like an eventual pairing of Samuel Dalembert and Cousins once the former gets healthy, I'm not sure how much you want to ask Cousins to step out on the floor to defend face up fours, at least initially. It'll be hard to develop him if he can't stay on the floor.

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Thanks again to Bradford for hooking us up with some inside insight, and KP for all his wonderful work as well. Remember: you can buy Pro Basketball Prospectus in PDF form or in paper. It's also on Amazon.

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Good stuff

Interesting that he likes the pairing of Dalembert and Cousins. I wonder if he sees Dalembert covering 4s away from the basket (BD rightly mentions concerns with having DeMarcus do that, and I believe Coach Westphal has said rather explicitly that he doesn’t think DMC is anywhere close to being ready to take on that task)? I’d imagine that Sammy could handle that pretty well, but wouldn’t that all but eliminate his biggest asset, protecting the hoop? Maybe with all things considered, that’s still the best frontcourt combo we have right now, but it would be nice to have a starting frontcourt that doesn’t have such a glaring issue.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Oct 18, 2010 6:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Coach has said that numerous times.

He thinks that offensively, Cousins is a handful for both power forwards and centers but he doesn’t think that Cousins can guard anyone but centers at this point.

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by jjham15 on Oct 18, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, PW did say that, but did he mean forever or just while he improves his defense?

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by HighTops on Oct 18, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

He probably meant at least for now

Until he gets into good shape (I’m thinking that will be around the 3rd season, as there is a learning curve for what to do in the offseason after a rookie year. Ask Jason Thompson, he came in out of shape last year, came in great shape this year)

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by Aykis16 on Oct 18, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think this is kind of like the Evans is a point guard thing.

I think the Kings want Cousins to be their center for the next decade or more. They want him to buy in to that role and then build the rest of the team around him and Evans.

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by jjham15 on Oct 18, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

i love thinking of this team anchored for the next dozen years by Tyreke and DMC

that’s a good situation to be starting from

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by Holmdel on Oct 18, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Think how Boston felt about Al Jefferson and Gerald Green.

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by caseycheesecake on Oct 18, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

not to mention...(portland)

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by Holmdel on Oct 18, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

big difference

Gerald Green never showed anything, Tyreke has to say the least.

by DerekRE_3 on Oct 18, 2010 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lots of good information

I’ve been intrigued about pairing Dalembert and Cousins together as well.

by gtrman1973 on Oct 18, 2010 6:19 AM PDT reply actions  

I've said that before, for late in games when we need to protect a lead.

If Cousins can’t defend PF’s yet, as PW said. Then switch on defense and let Cousins play center, while moving back to PF on offense. That way be have 2 dominent rebounders and our best scoring center on the court to protect any lead. That’s assuming that Cousins can stay out of foul trouble for the first 40 minutes.

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by HighTops on Oct 18, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

That

is what I think as well.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 18, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

These guys would seem to have done their homework.

Thanks for passing along the interview. And because I wondered what the hell SCHOENE meant, I looked it up.

I don’t see why they couldn’t have named it after Dave Jamerson, though.

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by andy sims on Oct 18, 2010 6:46 AM PDT reply actions  

I found the comments regarding a backcourt mate for Reke interesting
However, in the big picture Evans is going to have to be the guy who is making most of the decisions in the halfcourt offense and clearly that’s not his strong point right now. To me, that’s all the more reason why you want to put him in that position as often as possible. Pairing him with someone like Beno Udrih might be the most successful lineup in the present. Down the road, it is essential that Evans becomes a player that makes those around him better…

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by Kfan in Korea on Oct 18, 2010 6:47 AM PDT reply actions  

yes, this I thought was the most intriguing point

great stuff; gives me hope

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by Holmdel on Oct 18, 2010 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

It would seem to make sense if your trying to speed up his development and don't care about wins.

And, last year with Evans poor outside shooting, playing him along side Beno was a necessity. Especially since Evans did such a poor job of running the pick & roll. But, I don’t believe that the Kings want to rush Reke’s development so much that they’re willing to give up wins.

I think Beno & Tyreke alternating the point will give Tyreke more than enough experience for one more year. I don’t remember the exact quote but, PW said something along the lines that Evans best position is still to be determined. If he develops that consistent outside shot, then he doesn’t need to be the playmaker and playing along side Beno won’t be a negative.

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by HighTops on Oct 18, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

With his ability to penetrate, I think you're always going to want him to be the primary play maker.

See: Bryant, Kobe. James, LeBron. Wade, Dwyane. Johnson, Joe.

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by Kfan in Korea on Oct 18, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutely, but he doesn't need to be the primier playmaker this year or next.

So, there’s no need to throw him out on the court with a shooting guard and allow him to struggle until he becomes more proficient.

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by HighTops on Oct 18, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with your overall point(starting Beno is not a bad thing on offense)

but I’d argue that Tyreke is our #1 play maker and was last year as well.

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by Kfan in Korea on Oct 18, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

No arguement there,

My arguement is with BD’s statement

However, in the big picture Evans is going to have to be the guy who is making most of the decisions in the halfcourt offense and clearly that’s not his strong point right now. To me, that’s all the more reason why you want to put him in that position as often as possible.

I don’t think Evans needs to be the only playmaker in the backfield, just to expidite his development.

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by HighTops on Oct 18, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the best way to develop an athlete is give him the best chance to win

Every game. Coaching is a supporting role, not a dictatorship. Tyreke should be playing to win every game as well as the other four guys. If Tyreke is playing point better then good, If his outside shiot is improving then great. He will improve, he’s showing that he will mature, I say let it happen naturally and get him, and the other four guys, used to winning, and finding ways to win.

by Pat Willie on Oct 19, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Kings need shooters

Great information.
bq.
“Pairing him with someone like Beno Udrih might be the most successful lineup in the present. Down the road, it is essential that Evans becomes a player that makes those around him better, and not just because he ties up two defenders looking for his own shot. That’s why I’d like to see him surrounded by as many shooters as possible, along with a top-notch pick-and-roll partner. The latter I assume will be DeMarcus Cousins at some point.”
bq.

While playing Beno and Tyreke together this year may not be best for Tyreke’s development, I’ll bet it will help with DeMarcus’ development.

As for shooters, hopefully the young guys will keep developing. Greene and Casspi at SF both have shown that they could become good shooters, they just need to do it consistently. DMC is a great shooter for a big. His development will be key too.

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by Cap'n_Kirk on Oct 18, 2010 7:06 AM PDT reply actions  

EVERY team needs Doug Christie circa 2002.

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by andy sims on Oct 18, 2010 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I chuckled at this,

and then I realized that it is probably true. Christie would fit as well in a backcourt with Kobe as he would Steve Nash. Talented and selfless – a tough find.

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by section214 on Oct 18, 2010 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting
But I see Casspi as a legit starter, and our system likes his defense as well.

Synergy had Casspi rated as our best man-to-man defender. I assume these guys have a different system?

I wonder if having Beno on the floor alongside Tyreke will really stiffle his development as a playmaker. Playing alongside another playmaker can also be educational. Whether Beno is the mentoring kind of guy, and the right tutor for Tyreke, is a different question.

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by RikSmits on Oct 18, 2010 7:48 AM PDT reply actions  

My question as it pertains to this stat -

Does it take the match up into consideration. I mean, it doesn’t matter if you’re looking at a guy like Artest (for example), because he gets his minutes and takes on everyone. But let’s say that Omri gets the start one night against Shawn Marion, and Donté gets the call the next night because it’s Kevin Durant. Does this stat take that into consideration. Because with these guys splitting time at SF, the match up could easily skew the numbers.

Just wondering.

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by section214 on Oct 18, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Steve Aschburner has a article on stats and some quotes from NBA coaches

you can find the article here: http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/steve_aschburner/10/15/coaches.tools/index.html

One of quotes is by George Carl

our PR director will get some special stats on the matchups that we have. I like those things. But sometimes when I get flooded by stats, I walk away from them. Because I don’t trust them. I don’t have a good trust in statistics as much as I trust my feel and my instincts.

Most of the coaches quoted except Sloan say they look as some but most go by what they see and feel. So while the stats may say that Omri is a better defender than Donte, by PW’s actions I’m guessing that Westphal doesn’t feel that way. After all, Donte got the tough defensive assignments last year. And, PW has made it clear that defense & hitting open shots was the criteria for getting time at the SF position, and Donte appears to be in line for starters minutes there. Although nothing is forever.

There are quotes by 11 NBA coaches, you might find it interesting.

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by HighTops on Oct 18, 2010 11:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Good read

Sloan doesn’t even have a computer, LOL.

The statement that stats don’t tell the whole story is obviously true, and I don’t imply otherwise. But they do have some value, and I think the gap between Greene’s D and Casspi’s D is smaller than most people think. People’s perception of Greene’s D is based on some solid games and some memorable highlights, but he had plenty of mediocre games, too. Just like Omri had some solid games on the defensive end.

As for PW’s feelings regarding defense, I’d trust them once I see him establish some semblance of a defensive identity. So far, I’m not impressed. I’m still surprised that he explictly stated that the SF starter primarlily needs to play good D, but simultaneously makes Beno a starter. Despite a certain logic to his comments and to making Beno the starter, it doesn’t show a strong emphasis on team defense.

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by RikSmits on Oct 18, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, considering that

LeBron, Melo and KD are SFs too – it’s probably the hardest job in current NBA climate. Almost every playoff team has a SF who can really hurt us on any given night.

And that’s a major problem when our perimeter defense breaks down – because the SF can’t really cover for Beno by leaving their man exposed. Who covers for the SF if the SF covers for Beno? DMC? Sam? Reke?

If anything, Beno needs to become a better thief – just so the ball handler (usually the smallest guy on the floor, so it’s not a size mismatch for Beno) is worried about taking on Beno and instead of penetrating the paint, tries to dish the ball earlier (perhaps even forcing low-percentage entry passes).

This.

by elfboy_ on Oct 18, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that there is a strong emphasis on team defense

but that’s a lot harder to achieve than simply playing some strong defenders. Last year it was Mason and Ime, this year it’s Dalembert and Wright. But, with the demand to win to keep your job, I don’t think we can blame PW for looking for immediate impact players until his young core learns to play defense together.

But, like you, I need to see some improvement from the entire team before I give PW a passing grade. Show me that we can even marginally defend the pick & roll. Or, that we know our rotations when we double team someone. Then I can live with PW playing guys with one sided games, defensive or offensive.

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by HighTops on Oct 18, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

We need some roster continuity

That is a big part to developing good team D IMO.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 18, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

It certainly helps, a lot

but I think we saw some continuity in the lineups, after Landry arrived last season except when injuries forced substitutions but the defense still looked weak.

And, with injuries always in the future, you can’t always rely on the team having a year like OKC. We have solid depth on the team now in every position, so there is no excuse when the lineup changes. So, now it falls on the players to learn their role and the coach to implement a good defense. And, as Larry the Cable Guy says, “get-r-done!”.

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by HighTops on Oct 18, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice Q&A with Doolittle.

It certainly is interesting that BP is so high on Evans.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 19, 2010 9:47 AM PDT reply actions  

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