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Where do the wins in the West come from?


Entering the season there are several teams in the Western Conference that are expected to make significant gains in win column. The LA Clippers hope to add about 10 wins this year with the healthy return of Blake Griffin, and I believe they will. Blake is the real deal as many Kings fans know who endlessly followed him before last years NBA draft lottery ping pong balled us over to Tyreke Evans. The Houston Rockets are another team that hopes to add 10 wins or more IF Yao Ming can stay healthy and with Kevin Martin in the lineup all season. IF IF Yao stays healthy I think this team goes all the way to a top 5 team in the West. Brooks, Martin, Battier, Scola, Ming is a nasty starting 5. Then there are the Kings that should add 10 wins at least this year. Obviously we all know Sac in young and perimeter shooting and defensive effort and execution are huge keys, but this team has so much talent this year... there has to be a big step forward. Between the Kings, Rockets, and Clippers, I see that as a 30-40 win increase between the 3, not to mention the Hornets with CP3 returning, the Grizz on the rise and OKC expected to jump to a top 4 seed. So that leaves the question... Where do the wins in the West come from???

 

Of the teams with lets say "wins to lose" (the top 7 playoff teams from last year) I think the LA Lakers, Mavericks, Spurs, Blazers have the best shot at maintaining or increasing their win totals. The Lakers are loaded, even if Kobe isnt all the way back, the farthest you need to look is to Lamar Odom, if their 6th man is the 2nd or 3rd best player on most teams in the league, that means that roster is loaded. Also they will have a chip on their shoulder with all the hype Miami and OKC are getting. Dallas is a veteran roster but still stacked... All-Stars Marion and Terry on the bench, Dirk, Butler, Kidd etc, dont expect a drop off. The Spurs still have Duncan, Manu, Parker, Jefferson, and young talent in Splitter and Blair, not to mention Popovich... San Antonio isnt going anywhere. Portland has shown they can win despite injuries. McMillan is underrated and if they stay anywhere near full strength Roy, Aldridge, Camby, Oden, Miller and company will compete for a home court seed in the West.

Have you figured it out yet?, that leaves 3 teams with "Wins to give" out West, Denver, Phoenix and Utah.

3. Utah- They lost Boozer, Korver, Matthews, and Brewer from the beginning of last year. And Okur is still hurt. Having said that I dont expect a major drop off. Jerry Sloan is a top 3 coach in the NBA and Deron Williams is my pick for NBA MVP this season. Williams is scary good and will be asked to take on an even bigger role this year. They stole Al Jefferson from Minnesota and the supporting cast is still solid with Millsap, Miles, AK47 and eventually Okur. Utah may take a small step back but dont expect the Jazz to fall all the way out of the playoffs.

2. Phoenix- The Suns lost Amare to the Knicks and Nash and Hill are a year older. Early reports are that Jason Richardson is going to be asked to take on a bigger role, but who knows if he can handle being the clear #1 option. Nash has to drop off sometime and the team is still soft on D. The biggest problem I see with the Suns is they have zero interior scoring without Amare. All their remaining bigs are either garbage men (Lopez, Amundson) or perimeter players (Frye, Dudley). I think this team overachieved last year and are my number 2 candidate to give up significant wins in the West. I think Phoenix falls to a low playoff seed if not all the way out of the playoffs this year.

1. Denver- There are so many Red Flags in Denver this season. It would be a shock to me if they kept it all together and returned to the playoffs. Carmelo Anthony wants out and a slow start will only force the Nuggets hand to get something for him instead of lose him like the Cavs with LeBron. Chauncey Billups may lose another step, he was already unable to defend the fast PGs, and it could only get worse. Quick PGs are everywhere (Rose, Rondo, Wall, Brooks, Evans, Paul, Williams, Parker, Wade). George Karls health is a major concern. A frustrating season could force him to vacate his position or at least take time away. Also the Nuggets role players are more Boom or Bust than any team in the NBA. Birdman, JR Smith and K-Mart are all huge personalities, and if it goes bad in Denver these guys could make it really really bad. Denver is my #1 favorite to drop major wins in the West this year and miss the playoffs altogether.

Thank you for reading and I look forward to your responses.

OKO

 



(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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I think you misjudge the overall winners and losers

If Melo moves, yes Denver will lose at least 10 more games and the Suns are likely to lose 10 more also, but Utah is still solid and could win the Northwest. NOH did little to improve.

I don’t believe that there are clear cut winner and losers. I don’t believe many of last years playoff teams got substancially better, but some of the lower echelon teams did. I look for more parity. Fewer teams with 50+ wins, and fewer teams dominating the other teams by taking the season series. if Melo leaves Denver wins 10 fewer games , and the Suns lose 10 because they over achieved last season.

And, your overlooking wins against the East, which to me got weaker.

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by HighTops on Oct 20, 2010 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, each Western team has 30 games vs the East

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by Kfan in Korea on Oct 20, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

hightops

Not sure if you realized, but your thoughts were basically exactly the point of my article. That lower teams are going to improve and Denver and Phoenix are most likely to fall off. I did say Utah is still solid and DWill is my MVP pick, they are in the top 3 since they are a wildcard since they lost 4 rotation players (5 with Okur).
Paul might help NOH, but they werent one of my 3 gaining teams, they were LAC, SAC and HOU. And yes article was ignoring the East, just the West standings.

by OKO on Oct 20, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your title was on where the wins will come from, but

you go on to explain what your feelings about about Utah, Denver and the Suns. Which doesn’t explain where the wins will come from since only two will drop in your own estimation. I’m not sure whether your actually asking the question, or explaining no team can possibly improve by 10 games because not enough teams will drop 10 games. If I miss understood your point, I’m sorry. I just found the entire post some what confusing.

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by HighTops on Oct 20, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

gotcha

what i was saying is that just about every NBA prediction expert is saying that the Clips, Rockets, Kings, even Warriors are going to win more games but nobody is saying who will drop off.
So I gave my prediction and a kind of generic western conference preview, addressing most of the teams.

by OKO on Oct 21, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amundson is with Golden State now, not Phx

and hurt. Though I agree on Phx and Denver.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Oct 20, 2010 3:32 PM PDT reply actions  

totally forgot about GSW

Anybody drinking the Warrior kool-aid without Nellie and with their 3 of Curry, Ellis and David Lee?

by OKO on Oct 20, 2010 3:49 PM PDT reply actions  

not me oko

David Lee will find that the Western Conference is a bit more difficult to put up a futile 20/10 – monta is a chucker who they’d love to get rid of…

Curry is the goods but I don’t see enough help around him. Monta could implode that squad especially given their inexperienced coach

by lchristmas on Oct 20, 2010 4:02 PM PDT reply actions  

reply fail somebody tell me how to do it is it the reply button?

non sequitur time: After jumping into that Laker game thread last week I am really looking to see what MarcusC has to say about our chances – he seems pretty smart

by lchristmas on Oct 20, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where do wins in the West come from?

Well, first daddy wins hugs mommy wins in a very special way. Then, several months later, the wins stork brings a little baby wins.

At least that’s how my mom explained it to me.

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by section214 on Oct 21, 2010 8:14 AM PDT reply actions   4 recs

Your mom has lotso wisdom.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 21, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

dont sleep on the East

It is very very top heavy. 3 legit Championship contenders in Miami, Boston, and Orlando that many people think will win 60 games each. Chicago has a chance to make a huge jump with Boozer, Korver and improving young players and Atlanta is intact as last years 3 seed. 5 very good teams… after that its a crap shoot.

by OKO on Oct 21, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t believe you didn’t comment on my hotel room dumper phone reference.

by doriank on Oct 21, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sleeping on the East.

I know they’re VERY top-heavy, but other than the teams you mentioned, the rest of the East will be very “meh.” The Knicks and Bucks will get W’s because they play so many Eastern teams so often.

by clicc916 on Oct 22, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sleep on the East

The plan is to beat on the East.

by bignerd on Oct 22, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

oko the boko callin peoples' rooms on the hotel room toilet phone

I think griffin is doomed to consumption by hype and the clips wont do much different this year than last. And I agree with you on denver. As far as potential vast improvements are concerned, I think we’re the true wildcard. LOOK OUT.

by doriank on Oct 21, 2010 3:24 PM PDT reply actions  

I watched the NBAtv previews

and they think the Jazz sink some as well. Lost Korver, Boozer and Mathews and added Al Jeff.

Hmmmmm, we’ll see a bit on Friday.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 21, 2010 7:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, but they also added Francisco Elson

another Dunking Dutchman!

And Raja Bell, Gordon Hayward (who could surprise people), as well as Earl Watson. Not spectacular players, but solid additions.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on Oct 22, 2010 5:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not the biggest Hayward fan

but that being said, way too many people are writing off the Jazz. Last time I checked, Korver kind of sucked and Boozer was often injured. I think they will be okay.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 22, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's more about

some of the West getting in at under 50 wins – finally. But we’ll see.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 22, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the premise is flawed.

I don’t think you need to count “wins to give” but rather “wins we are now equipped to take” in the context of our improvement, having all of our players healthy (remember being Martin and Cisco-less for the first half of the season, more or less?), and whether opposing teams have improved enough to ward off our attempts to take said games.

You have again oversimplified your argument for an audience that doesn’t rely on ESPN or Yahoo! Sports for their in-depth analysis.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 25, 2010 8:31 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm not sure Cisco ever played last season.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 25, 2010 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right, not really

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 25, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

except that this post wasn't really about "us"

it was about teams in the west that may slip. I thought his summary was pretty decent.

i don’t rely on espn for in-depth analysis or anything else, but if I wanted to read 50,000 words on khalid el-amin’s assist rate in the turkish league I know where to find sham sports too.

by lchristmas on Oct 25, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

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