Post Game Thread: Kings at New Jersey
What an ugly game, at least in my opinion. Most of it just was not fun to watch.
On to Cleveland, and a better tomorrow.
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Kings lose, my reaction:

"It's just like the story of the grasshopper and the octopus. All year long, the grasshopper kept burying acorns for winter, while the octopus mooched off his girlfriend and watched TV. But then the winter came, and the grasshopper died, and the octopus ate all his acorns. Also he got a race car. Is any of this getting through to you?"
by Apoet on Oct 29, 2010 6:56 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
That was pretty much my reaction.
When we were up 97-89, all I could think was “Alright, lets just follow Lawler’s Law and be the first to get to 100 and we’ll win”. Well, then we didn’t score till the Nets got to 102.
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its sad seeing the team go scoreless for 3 minutes
"Oh boy! If you don't like that you don't like Kings basketball"-Peaches
by AkaP on Oct 29, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
They still need to learn how to finish.
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by 49er16 on Oct 29, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Q: How do you turn the ball over 26 times and win?
A: Hold the other team to 42% FG, 25% 3P, 65% FT.
Poor, poor shooting.
The Nets' FT defense was incredible tonight
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
The same way you shot 45 FT's on 32 fouls,
While the Kings only got to the line 26 times on 30 fouls. Your guards beat their man an penetrate and either get fouled or dish off to your bigs. Who score or go to the line themselves. We had 7 more FG’s but they had 19 more pts from the FT line.
Also, it didn’t help that Omri, Beno and Head were 0-11 from 3pt range.
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Had a nice lead coming down the stretch
and then we had some really suspect shot selection.
I thought Landry and Jackson played great. It looks like Cisco is def playing like two year ago Cisco, which is a good sign.
I thought Tyreke wasn’t as aggressive in certain spots as he should have been. The Nets would also try to make him go left, and he would usually give it up when forced that direction. He had some pretty nice highlight reel drives, and even when he missed we had our bigs cleaning up the glass, especially closing out the half.
I’d really like to see the Kings drop it into the post with DMC much more than shown tonight.
Shame we couldn’t hold on to this one. These are the types of games we really need to walk away with the W to improve overall.
by chenp22 on Oct 29, 2010 7:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Tyreke was 5-9 at the rim and 2-9 away from the rim.
And, I have to agree about feeding the post more. The Kings only had 4 assisted baskets at the rim, and 9 assisted baskets off of long 2’s. Too many passes out for low percentage 2’s and not enough passes in for high percentage shots.
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I thought we were gonna win this one
and I already knew what I was gonna write. Thinking about it, what I was gonna write in the win it’s also the reason why we lost so I’ll go ahead and say it now.
I was going to be encourgaed by the ‘win’ because we didn’t play a good game as a team but we were still able to get the W because of individual play. Cousins started hot, Reke had a good second quarter, Darnell and Landry had a good 3rd, and then Cisco made some good shots too. I was gonna be encouraged because it would’ve shown that we had enough talent (finally) to win games on the road eventhough we didn’t have a good game.
Well, we lost. And it was because of this same reason. It just wasn’t a good game for the Kings as a team. We were only in it because of individual outburst. It would’ve been nice to pull it out but we couldn’t play 2 minutes as a team.
Now, eventhough I’m talking about the team, I wanna go ahead and say that a good reason why we lost this game is because of Tyreke. He’s lazy defense on Devin Harris in the last 2 minutes and he’s inability to make plays in the other end hurt this team. If we’re gonna get all excited and call him a superstar when he hits game winning shots in the last minutes of game, then let’s be fair and call him out for screwing up in the last 2 minutes of a loss. He needs to be held to a high standard in both wins and losses. With that being said, I know he;ll snap out of it and learn not to do this again.
No one really had a good game so I we gotta come out with better energy and better teamwork tomorrow. If Varejao and Mo are still out (I think they are), we have to take advantage.
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by edm7 on Oct 29, 2010 7:08 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Yep.
Tyreke’s defense on Harris was incredibly lazy.
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by Aykis16 on Oct 29, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tyreke thinks because of his length he can sag off defenders
but that hardly works on quick shooters like Harris
on that 3 late in the game you saw reke really sagging off, and the once Harris got the ball back he shot it quickly, Reke reacted slowly. He gets to overconfident in having his man covered sometimes just because he depends on his wing span
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Man I was hoping we got this one
Hopefully we get Cleveland…
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I know he has the potential to be an awesome defender
But honestly, I just haven’t seen the effort on that end. As much as it hurts to say it. Yes, you can tell me about the Arenas steal last year and a couple other plays, but a couple plays in a year is not really quality defense.
I’ve seen his jog back way too many times and miss rotations way too many times to give him a pass on that
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by edm7 on Oct 29, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
It is a hole in his game, but it should be pretty easy to fix with effort. I am still disappointed on how we struggle to run an offensive set in the last two minutes of the game.
good points
I think Darnell played well the whole game. He gave some quality minutes, on both sides of the court.
Head again showed some good effort on defense, but didn´t get much going.
Travis Outlaw surprised me. He made some tough shots. And I think Favors will be a very good pro.
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An almost win

I hear Cleveland lost some guy, maybe a win in the Kings’ near future?
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by Hit4TheCycle on Oct 29, 2010 7:21 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
We should have won this game... Waaaaaaaa...

by Ichiban on Oct 29, 2010 7:23 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Is that a picture of you Ichiban?
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We were up in the 4th quarter and I was all happy...
Then I was like:

by Ichiban on Oct 29, 2010 7:31 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
lol This one had me rollin
Your a funny motherfucka Ichiban! lol
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New Jersey
NBA’s Most Improved Team by the end of the season? Any season after last will be some improvement.
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I think so
I predicted before the season that New Jersey will be a playoff team this season.
Never forget, I'm an idiot.
I was actually really surprised by their record last year
Not that they should’ve been in the playoffs or anything, but they had SUCH an abysmal record for so much of the season (finally picking up some wins at the end of the season to avoid the “record” for fewest wins) but I don’t feel like it was an accurate reflection of the team. They weren’t great last year but they certainly weren’t as bad as their record indicated. I expect them to surprise some people this year.
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I would be suprised too
if half of me didn’t think they were on the Lebron and John Wall plan to success
by tricky bastard on Oct 30, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey Reke check Rodo's 24 assist night!!
by LagunaKing on Oct 29, 2010 7:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Kinda hard to win when
your opponent shoots 45 ft’s and makes 80% (deep sigh)
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If we shot 80%
of our meager 26 FTs tonight, we’d have made 4 extra FTs.
4 extra points. The game would have been different, the end game scenarios would have been different (they’d have to keep fouling us and we’d keep making 80% or better with Beno).
Time for the team to run FT drills.
This.
I believe the Maloofs have a policy against that
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
It all changed around the same time Cousins fouled out and...
Kings announcers felt like the Kings had in the bag. I bet everyone watching the through the kings feed started pulling for the Nets when the announcers started blabbing about The Kings and how great they are lol.
Kinda hard to win when you leave open guys shout 3s at the end of the game
But that’s it! This is over! Lets move on to the next one, after all worst scenario is we have a chance at getting Harrison Barnes next year!
Rough game
Terrible officiating, but it was pretty even both ways. Really hurt the rhythm and flow of the game and made it painful to watch.
I was once again impressed with Cousins. I was interested to see how he’d fare against Lopez, but he attacked him on offense and had a nice effort.
Tyreke’s jumper, at times, looked amazing. If he can get that thing to be a consistent weapon it will be insane. I also liked seeing him bail out on some of his drives instead of forcing the shot. I noticed several drive-and-kicks. I also saw the beginnings of a great pick and roll combo with Tyreke and Cousins.
Tough loss, but definitely a few things to still be excited about. It’s a long season, maintain hope.
Never forget, I'm an idiot.
Officiating didn't get NJ to the FT line 45 times on 32 fouls, bad defense did
and Tyreke was only 2-7 on jumpers away from the rim, so I’m not sure his jumper looked all that good.
What I will say is that the ticky tack fouls took us out of our game, and all those missed open 3’s early in the game changed the dynamics and had us playing from behind the whole game, Which took a lot of pressure off of the Nets.
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Reke looked good on his set jumpers
Horrible on his pull-ups or when he was contested. It’s still not reliable enough.
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Very good clarification
There were definitely some ugly shots too. I was thinking specifically of one point in either the second or third quarter, Harris was lagging way off to prevent the drive, and Reke drained some nice jumpers. Looked amazing. Those must have been his two makes.
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by PhutureKings on Oct 30, 2010 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I feel for you guys
the win was so close, but a player (in the Mavs case Terry) ruined it big time for the loss. Same for the Kings?
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Overall team play ruined it for us
We could not play defense for the life of us, or shoot the ball other than Francisco Garcia.
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Actually, I'm good with this result.
Yeah, sucks to lose, but our team isn’t playing well enough to be a 2-0 team. So maybe a little humility will go a long way in making us correct our glaring faults.
And we do have many faults that teams are driving (and scoring) through.
This.
I actually think this loss might be good too
The thing is, if we won, this team still did not play well, and there’d be less incentive to improve.
You learn more from losing than you do from winning.
But Aykis, I hate losing.
And that’s why you learn.
Winning tomorrow will be nice, but it’ll be even better if we can do it while playing as a team.
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As far as losses go, I like it
Here’s the thing – the team fought hard to get back from a 17 point deficit and showed a ton of effort, passion and chemistry. But by letting the foot off the pedal and allowing it to slip away, they hopefully learned a lesson early in the season: you can’t ease off the gas until the game’s over.
I rejoiced in the Win in Minny, and refused to look for fault even tho I know there was some
So, I refuse to allow my sadness at the loss, make me strike out and find fault this time either. It will take a few more bad beats to distroy my inner peace which overcame me when the season started.
Needless to say, this game was ours for the taking, so I’m not as saddened by one more game in the loss column as I am with the team failing to play a smarter game. So, I’m moving on with the hope that the Kings learned a valuable lesson from his one, and don’t allow an early lead by their opponents to make them rushed and take them out of their game.
One thing I always liked about the 2000-02 team, was that they never played with a sense of desperation. And, calmly went about their business whether they were ahead or behind. Let’’s hope this team develops the same type of calmness as the season progresses.
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basketball IQ
Its not hard to see that this squad will need to make some serious strides in the intelligence department in order to win some games… especially close games late. Its clear that the Kings are very talented when everything is clicking, but when it comes to half court execution on offense and defense we have a long way to go.
Reminds me of a very talented college team that struggles when challenged and forced to execute… like um Kentucky (weird).
True
that´s where a savvy veteran would come in handy. I guess Cisco is the closest one we´ve got to fit that bill, but I´d be happier with someone in the Camby, Grant Hill, Kurt Thomas mold.
I guess it is a process, and I hope the young guys will learn from each game.
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2000-02....
LOLZ… calmness and no sense of desperation. Man 2000-02 Kings squad was oozing talent down to 10th man. They were perfectionists, they had more talent than 10 NBA teams put together at that time. They knew they were cut above everyone else. THey knew they could punk and eat anyones lunch anytime ov the day. They beleived that they could walk up into LA and bitch slap the lakers whenever they wanted. They weren’t talented they were up-down court magicians. These new kings are atleast couple of years away from being talented enough to walk into NJ and punk the NETS, let alone the LAKERS.
PLEASE…come on guys…..
Lets not start to DISRESPECT 2000-02 squad and start comparing them to Rookies and Freshman who are still finding their way round the league.
Lets show more gratitude and passion to our GOOD OL’ 2000-02 breavehearts.
Lets not forget the OL GLORY DAYS.
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something to do with alcohol, I'm sure
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Thank you for this post. It was really good.
For me to poop on.
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by PhutureKings on Oct 30, 2010 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It seems like
Everything went to crap when DMC fouled out.
I didn't watch the game, listened to the first Q only
my question: Offensive fouls. How many? Who? I think a running count of O fouls (which also show up as TOs) would be interesting this season.
By the way, if anyone knows where Jason Thompson is hiding please find him. Quick!
My take on certain players:
Head’s shot selection made me cringe.
Dally’s made me cringe so hard.
We got an unexpected game from D-Jax. If he could do that on a consistent basis, we’re in for a treat.
Thompson. Dammit, man. My “I heart JT” meter went from a solid 8 to about a five.
Garcia looks good…like, really good.
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Donte +10 in 4 mins, Sam -12 in 6 minutes
Donte should be playing 40 minutes a game and Sam should be launched into space, obviously.
I’m really liking Darnell Jackson as a backup, though I don’t know how Whiteside will grow without some playing time.
It's difficult to play without a pure creator.
We don’t get any easy buckets. We have to work hard for each one of them, whether it’s a complicated drive by Tyreke or a contested post move. Only Cisco and Beno hit open shots with great efficiency. The Nets had more than 10 baskets created by good screens or completed plays which ended up with Lopez all alone underneath the basket.
Btw, 4-5 of Lopez’ earned fouls never happened.
This game should have been somewhat easy for us under normal circumstances.
Holy mother of meltdowns
I missed most of the game, including the end, but why did our “small forwards of the future” only play 23 minutes, including 3-plus for Donte? I am assuming Landry and Cisco played a lot at the three?
There are pros and cons to Westphal’s approach of mixing lineups, like surprises from guys like Jackson. But over time I hope he settles into some kind of rotation so guys know their roles. That’s probably asking for too much, though, with a team like this that is still in flux and lacks a leader.
Travis Outlaw probably isn’t looking like too bad an option at the 3 about now, right?
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Does his 5 year, $35 million contract come along as part of the deal?
Thanks, but no thanks.
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For comparison -
The sum total of the five years that Omri and Donté are under contract comes to $7.5 million. The difference here is $27.5 millon. There is no current Sacramento King with a contract of that size (Udrih is due a little under $21 million over the next three years if he cashes his 3rd year option, making him the leader in guaranteed money).
So the question is, would Travis Outlaw be worth $35 million to this current squad, and would he be worthy of the Kings’ largest player investment?
Nive player, but way too rich for my blood.
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Not only that
but Travis Outlaw has a definite ceiling. OC and DG are still developing on a young squad. You only bring in veterans like Outlaw as final pieces when you are a playoff team already
by tricky bastard on Oct 30, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
but I ‘m really thinking of the conversations in the early days of July that preceded his signing, which then made those discussions moot. It’s looking like we have some options at the 3 beyond Omri and Donte, anyway, which is good because they both need to be hungry.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
There's no excuse for getting outscored 17-3 down the stretch
None. If you’re still working on your D (understandable for now), you need to put your scorers out there and either score at the bucket or draw some fouls. Unfortunately, Landry isn’t great when double teamed late, JT was ineffective and Cousins was fouled out.
Still, no excuse.
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Landry should have taken some of those last few shots when he got the touches
I think he was a little too quick to defer to Tyreke. Landry is a good late option and needs to take some of those money shots.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Favors
He looked pretty impressive. Played within himself, knew his role and executed it well. Solid sidekick for Lopez going forward.
They said he was going to be a project, but I’d like to have a project like that on the Kings.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
If by project....
….you mean Joakim Noah level defensive of talent, yeah, Favors is a project.
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Not sure what you are saying
What are you trying to say about Noah vs. Favors?
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Saying Favors is on Noah's level.
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Or shows all the potential of getting there I really should say.
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I'd agree
He really looks solid. Looking forward to seeing him play some more.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

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