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Kings Roster Spot Power Rankings, 10/4

The Kings have 19 players in camp. Only 13-14 will make the team. Twelve already have guaranteed contracts. These power rankings handicap the race for 1-2 spots among the other seven contenders.

Now let's make some far-reaching judgments based on public commentary and an open scrimmage.

1. Marcus Landry

Landry, not his more touted competitors, is who came out shooting well in the open scrimmage. Landry hit a few threes and, according to the Bee's Jason Jones, played solid defense on Donté Greene. Perhaps most notable is that he -- not Omri Casspi, Greene, Francisco Garcia or Antoine Wright -- started in the scrimmage game on a team featured sure-bet starters Tyreke Evans, Beno Udrih and Carl Landry, and possible starter Samuel Dalembert. Whether it was a test run or a nod to the Landry Bros., who knows? An interesting choice nonetheless.

If Marcus makes the team, the Landrys would be the first set of brothers to play on the same team since Mark and Brent Price in 1996 Dominique and Gerald Wilkins in 1999 (thanks to Ben Q. Rock for that slice of trivia), and just the third fourth set in NBA history (the Van Arsdales were the first).

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2. Luther Head

Tuesday night's Suns game will be a big deal for most of the non-guaranteed players, but perhaps biggest for Head, who needs to remind the coaching staff how well he can shoot to have a shot at making the roster. He didn't do so well on Sunday.

3. Joe Crawford

4. J.R. Giddens

That's completely subjective. As I've argued before, I'm not sure Giddens is the right fit for that 13th or 14th spot, even if he is the most talented player in the bunch. Crawford, meanwhile, represents a smaller M. Landry in my mind. If Landry's playing well, I'm not sure there is room for Joe.

5. Donald Sloan

If Beno and Tyreke are starting together, and Pooh Jeter is playing real minutes off the bench, there's still not much room for Sloan as an emergency option considering both starting guards are point guards. It seems as if time is running out for Donald; in fact, depending on how Hassan Whiteside's injury progresses and how many bigs Paul Westphal feels he needs for the preseason and interspersed practices, Sloan could be the first cut, as soon as today. But that kid's a fighter, and he'll be heard from somewhere.

6. Darnell Jackson

Jackson had a lovely scrimmage performance, and is getting solid reviews from the practice facility. That said, a sixth big still doesn't make any sense. And keeping him would end up making John Hollinger right about Jon Brockman. Don't do it, Paul!

7. Connor Atchley

Atchley's about 350 lbs. away from looking a lot like Mike Lamb.

Poll
If you could add one non-guaranteed player to the Kings roster, who would it be?
Marcus Landry
357 votes
Luther Head
221 votes
Joe Crawford
38 votes
J.R. Giddens
14 votes
Donald Sloan
6 votes
Darnell Jackson
55 votes
Connor Atchley
8 votes

699 votes | Poll has closed

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Surprised none of the Barry bros ever were on the same squad.

They were almost in Seattle and Atlanta in consecutive years, but never on the same one.

My vote goes to Baby top hat.

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by chenp22 on Oct 4, 2010 6:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Good point.

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by chenp22 on Oct 4, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Regarding Jackson and Brockman

The Bucks signed Brockman to a 3 year, $3 million contract ($1 million per). Jackson would make less than a million this year and then be gone. So when it comes to having a 13th or 14th guy on your team, Jackson is a much better contractual fit than Brockman. It’s really a case of Mancakes and oranges.

Backcourt – Evans, Udrih, Garcia, Jeter

Wings – Casspi, Greene, Wright,

Front Line – Dalembert, Cousins, Landry, Thompson, Whiteside

I see a shooter and a big filling out the two “suit” spots. Jackson lands one spot, with the other spot coming down to Landry and Head. That’s one man’s blind arse guess, anyway.

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by section214 on Oct 4, 2010 7:36 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd give a spot to Jackson and Landry and leave the other spot open. You never know when that spot becomes useful.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 4, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

other open spot?

Max is 14 players. Jackson and Landry would be #13 & #14 if the Kings give them contracts.

by g4y Vulture on Oct 4, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

No the max amount of roster spots is 15.

Take my word for it.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 4, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was being lazy in that response.

Here is Coon’s lil blurb on it from the FAQ.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 4, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could see PW pushing to reward Jackson with the 14th spot for busting his ass thus far.

I get the sense that Coach likes having someone around in practice whose effort will make any of the other guys look bad if they’re slacking, and to put into the game when the regulars are letting him down. Not unlike a certain pancake-loving man-beast of yore. As Section says, though, I don’t think that would necessarily make Hollinger right. In any case, if we’re talking about the 14th roster spot, does it really matter if it’s a wing player that will hardly ever play or a big man that will hardly ever play? Maybe they decide to send Swat over to Reno for an extended period of time, making Jackson the all-important fifth big for a time.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Oct 4, 2010 7:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh, and I voted for Derby.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Oct 4, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here is my take so far.

When camp opened, I believed that Luther Head was a lock and now, I’m not so sure. Marcus Landry has looked really good, the coaches like him, and keeping him might just give the Kings a leg up in signing big brother later this year.

Jackson is completely tied to Whiteside and to a lesser extent, Dalembert in my book. If Whiteside misses a bunch more practice this week and it runs into next week then I believe he begins the season in street clothes and/or in Reno. Dalembert is the other factor and obviously, his tenure with the team may be decided by DeMarcus Cousins so….Jackson-Whiteside-Dalembert-Cousins-roster spot.

Jackson is a nice player to have around- inexpensive, hard worker, fits personality wise. He might just be the cheap insurance the Kings need to provide optimum flexibility later.

So as of today, Landry and Jackson make the team IMO. If Luther Head does something well within his skill set like hit his next 25 three’s in practice, he can get right back into the race.

The world is not your Trade Machine.

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by jjham15 on Oct 4, 2010 8:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Luther Head - Darnell Jackson - SF Battle

Head looked pretty bad. Every shot he took was off balance. I believe he was 1-6 shooting with only 2 points. I think he just shot himself in the foot. Marcus Landry scored 10 to 12 points and played great defense. Based on the open scrimmage Marcus just locked up a spot.

I was pissed when we traded for Darnell Jackson but after watching him play I was very impressed. He is the 2nd best defensive player (front court) behind Dalembert. I can’t see the Kings cutting him, he has playing too good.

Omri seemed to win the SF battle vs Greene. He was creating open shots (around 5 shots went in and out) and also hit 2 three pointers. Donte seemed a little lost on the court. Donte is the better defender, but I think our weak spot is shooting. Omri is the best shooter the Kings have.

MVP’s for open scrimmage:
Black Team: Tyreke
White Team: Cisco

by g4y Vulture on Oct 4, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not that Cisco was irrelevant but...

He was open because he had two giants drawing all the attention. He hit his shots, he played nice defense but honestly, I would Cousins the MVP for the white team. If you read my write up on the TPP, I totally agree with your take on the small forward spot.

Just to make sure we are all thinking clearly here- this is a super small sample size so let’s not make any judgments on what we saw Sunday.

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by jjham15 on Oct 4, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I threw together some comments

and posted them of Bryancox11’s thread.

Beno and Cisco were efficient and didn’t try to do too much, but they both looked ready to play some actual games to me. Casspi was just better in almost every area, several of his misses went halfway in and out, he harrassed Donte on D, blocked some shots, they were going at each other pretty hard when they had the chance.
There are still some preseason games though.
DMC looked great but he does get tired, no chance he seems ready to challenge for a starting spot to me. He may really be capable of posting double doubles as a reserve though….

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by lietothegirls on Oct 4, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good point about efficiency.

Both Beno and Cisco have been plagued throughout their careers with moments of oddly poor decision making. With the new front line, it appears that both players are more relaxed and allowing the ball to come back out to them.

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by jjham15 on Oct 4, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

i'm rooting for landry.

when marcus was in summer league couple years ago i was talking him up to friends & family that he was going to make the squad and get a lot of PT because the guy could shoot and played hard. i was shocked that the kings didn’t keep him around the first time.

i’m hoping the kings act a little differently this time around. seems like he’s improved from where he was and is performing well. kings may not need another wing – but i don’t think you let a guy like this walk away a second time. he’d be a nice insurance policy if you make a mid-season trade and move donte or omri.

as for jackson – he’s performing well but there is just too much depth at bigs for the kings right now to put him on the roster.

by Madzillagd on Oct 4, 2010 8:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Based off the open practice alone

My impressions favored Marcus Landry and Darnell Jackson. Besides grabbing a bunch of rebounds and playing hard on D, Jackson had a sweet mid range jumper that had me wondering who this guy was. Landry played some solid defense, and shot the 3 well enough to show me he deserves to stay with the team.

I don’t really remember too much of anything from Sloan. Head looked like a chucker and his shot was not looking good during the practice. I just remember Giddens as really athletic with a lot of energy.

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by kingsfan300 on Oct 4, 2010 8:20 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm not sure I have that much to add

If you based it on that scrimmage the two nonGs that stood out were clearly Marcus and Jackson. Sloan had some nice moments (thank god), Head made a nice play or two, but Marcus shot well and looked pretty good on D against both Donte’ and Casspi (when they weren’t guarding each other, which was quite a battle).
On Jackson I was talking to some other fans around me about his very issue and I think by the end I found my self mumbling ‘too bad, it’s just a numbers games’ for the 5th or 6th time.
If they could stash a guard in Reno than it sure looked like Jackson has earned that perhaps mythical 14th spot. I don’t believe Head or Sloan can be though.
I really do think that Jackson maybe playing that well that they may go guard light. He’s making it a tough decision for them and that’s just great for him. Oh, he may not have that Brockness romance about him, but he’s a much better all-around player than His Brockness was by the end of last year.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Oct 4, 2010 8:51 AM PDT reply actions  

The entire practice scrimmage is now available on Kingsflix

for those with the patience to watch a mediocre video.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Oct 4, 2010 9:21 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd say

Dalembert
Carl
Donte
Reke
Beno
Cousins
JT
Casspi
Cisco
Pooh
Marcus
DJ

IR:
Head
Wright

by jumpboi on Oct 4, 2010 9:53 AM PDT reply actions  

WHOOPS, FORGOT UPSIDE

Dalembert
Carl
Donte
Reke
Beno
Cousins
JT
Casspi
Cisco
Pooh
Whiteside
Marcus

IR:
Head/Wright
DJ

by jumpboi on Oct 4, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wright is a stopper and he will be in uni come game one.

If Jackson/MarcusLandry do make the team, they will take turns being inactive for games depending on match-ups.

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-Ziller

by jjham15 on Oct 4, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

Wright and Pooh are already considered two of the top 12 players.
I think Marcus and DJ will be #13 & #14, if they take 14 players. Luther isn’t impressing me so far. Hopefully he will play in the pre-season and do great.

by g4y Vulture on Oct 4, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was for Bowler Hat last year, and remain so this year

Second spot should go to Head or Jackson

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by Aykis16 on Oct 4, 2010 10:03 AM PDT reply actions  

You could also add the bit about Landry needing to feed his family....

….cuz well he’s got 3 young kids and a wife. It’s not like he’s Spree. (Plus, there’s the added irony that the Landry’s and Spree are all from Milwaukee.)

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by pookeyguru on Oct 4, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting ratio......

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by pookeyguru on Oct 8, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I voted for Marcus

He just looked the best and also the most comfortable with a crowd watching him of all the non-guaranteeds.

Anybody else get annoyed with the announcer whenever a sub came in for the white team? He kept saying stuff like Francisco Garcia entering for the White Side. I kept thinking, “Wait, Swat was in the game?!” And then I got disappointed when I realized he wasn’t there. Luckily by the 4th period he was calling them the White Squad. But it was still annoying.

by LOUiECOG on Oct 4, 2010 11:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Hmmm, a lot of Votes for Luther Head

More of a proven commodity – and I do wonder if that enters into the teams thinking.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Oct 4, 2010 11:21 AM PDT reply actions  

I just remember back to Wes Matthews

Take the inexpierenced player that you know has an NBA game. My vote LANDRY

by Doors Open on Oct 4, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

That’s a good question. After giving it some thought, I still take Landry. My line of thinking… The third guard of the bench shouldn’t be a major contributor. Landry is also more versatile than Head (possibly could defend 3 positions). Although Head is a proven 3-pt shooter, it appears Landry may be able to spread the floor as well.

by Doors Open on Oct 4, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but experienced at what? Getting cut?

"Once again i still dont get it. We have the best backcourt in the league. 1 of the best front courts in the West. A nice bench. What team in the west cant we compete with besides the Lakers? What team in the west u guys can look at and say damn they’re much better than us? Seriously? Not being a homer at all." ~ J-Ridah's Golden State Warriors analysis.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 4, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Votes don't lie.

A lot of us like getting Head.

This.

by elfboy_ on Oct 4, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

How is this not GREEN!

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by Widowwolf on Oct 4, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Head 'till it turns green?

Ew.

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by section214 on Oct 4, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL section you can always get me to laugh even if i just got done over at the Niners SB board..

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by Widowwolf on Oct 4, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I take GP at his word, which was that they would add 2 guards.

They already added Jeter, and they liked ML last year and thought enough to bring him back for training camp even though he didn’t have a great summer league. So, even though as some here have already pointed out, it’s not much of a sample size to judge the unsigned FA’s, I’m going to pick Landry as the 2nd guard we add.

He has more size and seems to be a better defender then Head and the other FA’s. And, he looks to be able to defend both the 2 & 3. With Landry, the Kings have more than enough players that can play the 1 & 2, so I can’t see them adding a 3rd guard. Jackson has made a case for himself. And with Dalembert and Hassan already experiencing injuries less then 1 week into camp, I can see where the Kings might be willing to hang on to him. The effort and results have been there, and the price is about right.

With Jackson, ML & Jeter, I think you have all the flexibility you need.

4 Centers: Dalembert, Cousins, JT, Whiteside
5 PF: JT, C. Landry, Jackson, Whiteside, Greene
5 SF: Omri, Donte, Cisco, Wright, M. Landry
6 SG: Cisco, M. Landry, Tyreke, Beno, Donte, Omri
4 PG: Tyreke, Beno, Jeter, Cisco

I could have added Boogie & Sammy to the PF’s, but my point was that we have a squad with a lot of options. The only players that aren’t multiple position players are probably Pooh & Carl.

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by HighTops on Oct 4, 2010 2:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree exactly

Question: Do the Kings owe Darnell Jackson his $800k salary if they cut him. I believe they took over his contract with the trade and pay a price if they cut him. Don’t think they will though :-)

I love the versatility with this team. We might not have the best starting five in the league, but our back-ups are second to none. I can see the only solid starters every night as Tyreke and Dalembert. The rest will more than likely rotate throughout the season depending on match-ups.

by g4y Vulture on Oct 4, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jackson signed a 3 yrs contract with Cleveland after being traded on draft night by Miami

That was in 2008, and he was waived by Cleveland and picked up on waivers by the Bucks. By picking him up on waivers, the Bucks agreed to assume responsibility for his original 3 year deal. So, this is the 3rd year of that contract, and as such it wasn’t guaranteed when he signed it and it’s not guaranteed now.

I don’t know for sure, but I guess that a some point it does become guaranteed. Whether that is at the start of the regular season or sometime later in the season, I wasn’t able to find out. But, for the amount he would be paid should he stay on the team, I think he’s a cheap insurance policy, and should he develop, the Kings would retain his Bird Rights.

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by HighTops on Oct 4, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to Mr Deeks (aka Sham)

Jackson’s last 2 years of his contract are not guaranteed.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 4, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am surprised by two other brother sets that were not mentioned, though did not play together in the NBA

Jared and Jason Collins from the Sranford Cardinal. The other set, played for the Kings just last season: Beno and Nocioni. C’mon – they must be related. See you thought I was going to say Earvin Johnson and Earvin Johnson, didn’t you?

by betweentheeyes on Oct 4, 2010 8:18 PM PDT reply actions  

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