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Kings 109, Suns 95: Size Matters

In a tightly contested and up-tempo game, the Kings managed to win their first game of the preseason thanks mostly in part to the facts that the Kings simply had too much size for Phoenix to handle, and the fact that Phoenix only played Steve Nash and Grant Hill 6 minutes each.  Player notes after the jump.

The Kings' first half was very sloppy in general, and it was clear that the team still was not used to playing with each other.  The offense became stagnant at times, and careless mistakes prevented scoring opportunities.  It also didn't help that the Kings found themselves in early foul trouble in both the 1st and 2nd, reaching the penalty by the 6-minute mark in both quarters.The free throw disparity shows in the box score (30 FTA for Phoenix and 18 for Sacramento) even though the Kings did a much better job at not fouling in the second half.  

The second half featured a lot more of the Kings taking it to the basket, and playing within the offense.  The Suns ended up just doubling every single time the Kings threw it down low, whether it was JT, DeMarcus or Carl.  They had no answer for our bigs, or Tyreke as he came driving through the lane.  While the first half seemed to focus on a more perimeter-oriented game, the Kings forced it inside in the second, which in turn opened up the floor for the rest of the team.  Phoenix's offense became a lot sloppier as well without Nash running the point, and Sacramento's guards were really active at trying to disrupt the ballhandler.

The Kings offense is definitely looking to run as much as possible and the pace was very up-tempo.  As soon as a player rebounded the ball, they were running the other way.  It makes for exciting high-scoring basketball, but it also led to some out-of-control mistakes as well.  On defense, the Kings were getting killed by Phoenix's ball movement and guard penetration for most of the first half of the game.  They still managed to force a lot of Phoenix turnovers, but all that swiping for the ball also led to a lot of ticky tack fouls called by the referees.

Rebounding was a big advantage for Sacramento, and the disparity should have been even more drastic if there weren't so many long rebounds from missed Phoenix 3-pointers (they missed 14).  Rebounding is definitely a statistic that I can see the Kings dominating night in and night out.

Overall I thought the Kings played a decent if not great game, but still need some time to figure out how to play with each other, as there were plenty of mixed signals between teammates.  If this were a regular season game, I doubt the Kings would have won with the kind of start they had.

(Hit the Jump for the player evaluations and highlights and player and coach Interviews from Kingsflix.)

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Tyreke Evans: He was definitely not afraid to shoot the ball from the perimeter, that was for sure.  He missed a few of his jumpers to start, but Phoenix kept daring him to shoot it, so he did, eventually hitting on quite a few of them, and going 2-3 from downtown.  He also played a surprising amount of time off the ball, with Beno Udrih bringing up the ball most of the time.  He was pretty successful at it too, getting a couple of nice passes for easy buckets as he cut to the basket.  Don't worry about his driving ability diminishing at all either, because it's still there, and it's still incredible.  He had an absolutely ridiculous sequence where he blew by about four Suns with a couple behind-the-back dribbles, and he unfortunately messed up the wide open layup (luckily DeMarcus was there to clean up).  On defense he was active, poking at the ball, although I would have liked him to stay in front of his man more.  

DeMarcus Cousins: Boogie played about as well as anybody could've hoped for his first NBA game.  He mentioned after the game that he was really nervous, which explains his slow start, especially defensively, where Robin Lopez got off to a really nice start, but he composed himself and ended up having a pretty nice game.  His jumper looked good tonight, and it helped draw out Lopez to open the lane up for his teammates, and when he took it inside he was almost unstoppable.  He had one of the most ferocious one-hand slams I've seen since the days of C-Webb at around the 2-minute mark of the 1st quarter.  On defense, he was surprisingly active, contesting shots, denying his man position.  He still needs a bit of work, but I think he could be a quality defensive presence someday, especially with his knack for drawing charges.  Another nice thing about DeMarcus is that he eats rebounds and craps nice outlet passes.  Many a fastbreak was started last night after DMC corralled the board and threw it out to Tyreke or Beno.  His solid performance was not without flaws however, as he made a few silly mistakes with the ball (including once trying to run the ball up the floor himself after a rebound, leading to a quick turnover) which led to five turnovers, all but one of them because of careless mistakes that can be fixed with experience.  I really liked what I saw from DeMarcus today, and I really think he'll be a future star.

Jason Thompson: Jason was probably the MVP of this game from Sacramento's perspective.  He was the only one that was effective when the Kings were struggling, and he was just doing it all: rebounds, defense, points, you name it.  His go-to move is quickly becoming a fade-away jumper on the baseline, and its been going down consistently.  He has less luck with shots around the basket however, getting some of the unluckiest bounces I've seen.  On defense I was especially pleased to see him alter shots consistently, in addition to his three blocks.  He also managed to find his teammates consistently as well, including a couple nice pick-and-rolls with Beno.  After the game he mentioned how at halftime, he and DMC decided to have a contest to see who would get 10 rebounds first, even though JT only had 4 at the half and Cousins had 8.  Still they both did, and the two of them together had more offensive rebounds than Phoenix combined.  He did manage to collect 5 fouls, always a problem with him, but a couple of those fouls were really questionable.

Marcus Landry: After watching Marcus at the game, I will be absolutely shocked if he doesn't make the team.  He plays tough, scrappy defense, hustles after the boards, and knocks down his open shots when he gets them (hitting 3-5 from downtown).  Phoenix began to respect his shot near the end, so he smartly took it to the basket and got to the line.  He was a very effective player, and I feel his NBA comparison was playing on the other team.  I think he could be Sacramento's version of Jared Dudley this year.

Beno Udrih: Beno looked a little rusty to start the game, at least offensively.  His jumper wasn't falling early, but he had a lot of success later in the game taking it to the basket.  He does a great job of protecting the ball on the way to the hoop and switching his hands when he's near the rim, a trick I want Tyreke to learn, because Hollinger is right, Tyreke only uses his right hand to finish, and it does cost him sometimes.  Beno looked comfortable handling the ball, and I would venture to say he handled the ball more than Tyreke did tonight.  Most impressive to me was how active Beno was on defense, poking at the ball and trying to stay in front of his man.  The effort was definitely there, and even though he was only credited with two steals, he caused a couple more Phoenix turnovers in other ways.

Carl Landry:  I really didn't like what I saw from Carl tonight.  He was extremely tentative on offense, especially early in the game.  I figured the Kings would try to feature him a lot early, especially since Hedo was guarding him for much of the time, but he spent a lot of time on the perimeter and looked to pass the ball more than take it inside against Hedo.  He looked more like himself in the second half, showing that great patience inside and soft touch from outside, but I would have really liked to see a much more aggressive Carl.  He played the most minutes of any player in the game, and I couldn't really tell from his contribution.  I will say that he surprised me with some of the assists he had from the high post (he had 4 in total for the game), but he did make some poor decisions with the ball as well (3 turnovers).  I hope this is just rust for Carl and he shakes it off by the time the season rolls around.

Omri Casspi:  Besides Jason Thompson, Omri was the most effective player off the bench for the Kings.  He moved a lot off the ball, and it reminded me a lot of the way the Kings used to get Peja open.  A few of Omri's shots (including both his missed threes) barely missed, looking good until they rimmed out.  As usual he was extremely active on the boards, and he did a good job at setting up his teammates.  On defense he was getting burned by Jason Richardson, but did a decent job on the other players he guarded.  Plus, everyone on the Kings was getting torched by Richardson.  Unlike the Omri we saw in Summer League who took it inside a lot more, Omri was on the perimeter for a lot of this game, although his last points of the game were on a sweet running floater.

Pooh Jeter: Pooh looked a bit troubled by the defensive pressure the Suns put on him tonight, especially by Goran Dragic, but he still managed to be a pretty good floor general.  His shot looked really smooth, and he reminded me of Bobby Jackson on more than one occasion.  There weren't many flashy passes of the sort we saw in the Open Practice, but there also weren't many mistakes.  On defense, he got abused a little bit by the taller Dragic, but he was a big part in forcing a couple of Dragic's 6 turnovers on the night.  Pooh acquitted himself nicely for his first NBA game.

Donté Greene: It seems clear to me that Donté right now is behind in the race for the starting Small Forward spot, playing only 10 minutes, but I think he did alright in those minutes.  He was active on defense, and I know he had a block on Jason Richardson that isn't showing up in the box score.  On offense his outside shot isn't falling, but he had a couple nice trips taking it inside.  He also looked like he wanted to set up his teammates more, but he had much less success than Omri at it, mainly because of miscommunication with his new teammates.

Antoine Wright: It's clear he's a good defender, but his offense is pretty bad.  He missed all of his shots pretty badly, and at least two of them were wide open.  He also tried to go one-on-one once and ended up turning the ball over.  I think he'll only end up seeing spot minutes when the opposing team has a wingman that is really torching us.

Luther Head: Head shot two wide open threes and missed both.  He completely airballed the second one.  When you're brought in to training camp for your shooting prowess and you can't manage to display it, your chances of making the team are very low.  I could see him being one of the next cuts.

Connor Atchley and Joe Crawford: They had really nice seats to a pretty good game.

Final observation: If I had to guess the Kings starting lineup just based off of this performance, it would be DeMarcus Cousins, Jason Thompson, Omri Casspi, Tyreke Evans, Beno Udrih.  There is still a lot of preseason to go however, and we have yet to see Dalembert or Whiteside in a game at all.

Bold Prediction: DeMarcus Cousins will be the starting center sometime early in the season, possibly at the start.

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Very nice write-up, almost like I was there.

Wait, I was there. No, no I wasn’t.

Was one of Head’s 3-point shots blocked? I thought that was what I had heard, not that it really helps his case any.

What do you think Phoenix’s long ball numbers look like if Nash and Hill play an average amount of minutes, and do you feel like the Kings would still have been able to come back?

No, I don’t sleep much.

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by andy sims on Oct 6, 2010 5:12 AM PDT reply actions  

I think the Suns would have been way less sloppy if Nash played more

He does have a high turnover rate, but his assist rate is also out of this world. Hill was also playing pretty decent D on Reke to start the game. Kings got pretty lucky with a lot of the threes the Suns missed, with them just rimming out.

I still think the Kings might’ve come back, just because either way the Suns still wouldn’t have had an answer for our bigs. And Dragic is a much better defender than Nash is.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 6, 2010 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great write-up

Definately helps fill in the blanks without a tv feed. Thanks!
(I don’t sleep much either)

by Citadel 29 on Oct 6, 2010 5:20 AM PDT reply actions  

I love the fact that Boogie recognizes his weaknesses

And that he made the statement that YOU CANNOT TAKE A PLAY OFF.

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by want2win on Oct 6, 2010 5:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Great recap

Aykis’ first game covered live, and he looks like a pro by the end of it.

by Tom Ziller on Oct 6, 2010 5:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks Tom.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 6, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aykis Marcus Landry'd it

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by kangsfan on Oct 6, 2010 9:22 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Interesting from Westphal

One, he doesn’t mind poking Cuz’s conditioning to the press.

Two, Donte is in his dog house (by implication of how he spoke about Landry, Omri). I get the feeling he doesn’t think of Donte as a “smart” player. And is also probably displeased with Donte’s shooting percentage from three.

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by Holmdel on Oct 6, 2010 6:12 AM PDT reply actions  

I think your reading too much into that comment

and you’re ignoring the fact that he was talking about the SF position, of which Landry & Omri played the majority of the minutes. While Donte was asked to play more 4 because Dalembert, Jackson and Whiteside were out which only left 3 bigs in unis.

And, that’s a lot to imply after 1 preseason game.

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by HighTops on Oct 6, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that's the proper read on this for now.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Plus there are only 48 minutes at the Small Forward position available.

I wouldn’t be surprised if in the next game Omri played only 10 or so minutes and Donté got an extended look. I expect Landry to continue to get heavy minutes in the preseason, as the team is really evaluating whether he should be on the team or not, and right now its looking like he will be.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 6, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well Cisco should be back, so there's another body for those 48 minutes

but, why wasn’t Jackson suited up?

JT & Cuz had 5 fouls each, so if one of the 3 bigs who sat out the Suns game isn’t suited up, we’ll probably see more of Donte at the 4.

I think it’s very difficult to guess rotations and where players are in them, this early in preseason. Will Jeter get big minutes with Evans playing more 2? Will Marcus continue to play the 3 or with Cisco back will he move to the 3 and Marcus to the 2. I really don’t think it makes any difference. I think we and the coaching staff need to see all the preseason games before we make up our minds.

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by HighTops on Oct 6, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Westphal is going to play Cisco more at the two than the three

Although he’ll probably get spot duty at the 3.

Also, Jackson was out with an injury, otherwise he would have definitely gotten some burn.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 6, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Have Cisco start with Reke...

Have Landry start at the 3 w/ Omri off the bench. Then use Donte as our Odom kind of player.

by TriggaMike13 on Oct 6, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

You didn't hear?
why wasn’t Jackson suited up?

hip flexor strain from the open scrimmage.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

thanks,

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by HighTops on Oct 6, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice Job Aykis

As a reader I value your basketball opinion, so not being there means that this is the next best thing.

It’s good to see JT shining. I was worried he would get lost in the sea of big men we seem to have now.

I wonder what Donte did to piss off coach Westphal…

by Rickyflip on Oct 6, 2010 6:17 AM PDT reply actions  

How far we've come.

Remember when Ron-Ron was our best player? I know he did some things that didn’t show up in the box score, but did he ever give us a game as productive as Cuz just did in his first time out? 16 and 16 is insane production; I wasn’t at the game, but that simply has to effect both ends of the court. And he’s not even our most productive player.

I’m thrilled with D-Cuz. Keep it up, big man.

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by Holmdel on Oct 6, 2010 6:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Well, in Artest's defense, his first game as a Kings player actually counted.

And for what it’s worth: 15 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 4 steals, only 2 turnovers, after not playing in the NBA for a year.

But that being said, I don’t know what difference it makes.

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by andy sims on Oct 6, 2010 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

good find

here’s my point…as good as that line is, and that was a particular good line for Artest’s tenure at Sacto…but it is still not productive enough to be a team’s best player. The 4 steals are nice, but overall, weak sauce.

D-Cuz, not weak sauce.

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by Holmdel on Oct 6, 2010 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I don't understand why DMC can't be praised without shitting on another player

4 steals? Weak? Does the fact that Artest had 3 fewer turnovers make his many steals any less weak? How many times does a player need to personally take the ball away from the other team before his sauce is average, or even good?

I always thought a 4-steal game was pretty exceptional, but I guess your stats mean less when your squad makes the playoffs.

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by andy sims on Oct 6, 2010 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

my point is that DMC seems like he'll be more "productive" than Artest

I was always frustrated with Artest’s level of production as our best player. I think DMC will do more of the things that help us win games. And he’s not even our best player.

That’s praise for DMC. Is it “shitting on Artest”? I don’t know. But it is a comparison. So, I guess then your point is “I don’t understand why DMC can’t be compared with another player without comparing him to another player” and I don’t think I can help you there.

4 steal games are nice, but if you don’t like the Bobby Jones comparison, try a Doug Christie one. If your most productive player is Doug Christie, that’s not good. You need a CWebb to build your team around. Sorry in advance for “shitting on” Douggie.

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by Holmdel on Oct 6, 2010 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Comparisons

Why are we comparing Cousins to Artest? You’ve lost me.

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by Exhibit G on Oct 6, 2010 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

The point is, why is he being compared to another player at all?

And if you must for feel-good purposes, maybe one who isn’t a small forward might make more sense?

Cousins had great stats, and that’s enough. But if your point is that you’re happy that our best player now (Cousins) is better than our best player then (Artest), I suspect the Tyreke fan club may be in your ass directly.

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by andy sims on Oct 6, 2010 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was comparing Cousins to Artest because I think it is a useful comparison re productivity and impact on wins

Is that against the STR bylaws?

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by Holmdel on Oct 6, 2010 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

You cannot compare the productivity of two NBA players unless they play the same position. Otherwise, you will be engaging in an exercise as silly as comparing orange juice and motor oil.

I stand corrected. And humiliated.

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by Holmdel on Oct 6, 2010 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Define productivity

Feel free to compare the steals, or rebounding, or scoring of any two players at any position. But you have to understand that the comparisons may not be worthwhile if you do not consider the context.

Last year, Rajon Rondo led the NBA with 2.33 steals per game. That tells me that Artest havign 4 steals in a game is pretty good. It’s above average. Would it be great if he had more steals? Of course, but that doesn’t mean that 4 is “weak”.

If you’re talking about impact on wins, DeMarcus has played one game, so your sample size is pretty useless. Also, the supporting cast of DeMarcus is completely difference than the supporting cast Artest had. All of these things make a comparison difficult, if not impossible. Comparing players of different positions only serves to further compound the problem.

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by Exhibit G on Oct 6, 2010 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Lord, this is a stupid as hell

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by Holmdel on Oct 6, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

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by Exhibit G on Oct 6, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

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by Balky Needs on Oct 6, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

What alternate universe did I enter into?

I got DMC/Artest/Bobby Jones/Doug Christie comparisons flying at me with no rhyme or reason. What holy hell is this?

"Once again i still dont get it. We have the best backcourt in the league. 1 of the best front courts in the West. A nice bench. What team in the west cant we compete with besides the Lakers? What team in the west u guys can look at and say damn they’re much better than us? Seriously? Not being a homer at all." ~ J-Ridah's Golden State Warriors analysis.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 6, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Great recap

Nicely done, Aykis.

Some thoughts I had while reading this:

I really, really, really, really can’t wait to watch Tyreke this season. I’m giddy.

Ditto DeMarcus.

I’m concerned about JT. I think it is great that he’s been playing well, and that he’s become a leader on the team. But no big man should use the fall-away jumper as their go-to move. That’s a move when a big man has given up on other things he’s tried. If he misses, it really hurts the team’s odds of getting the offensive rebound.

I loved this line:

Connor Atchley and Joe Crawford: They had really nice seats to a pretty good game.

Overall, great recap and great insights Aykis. Keep it up!

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by Exhibit G on Oct 6, 2010 6:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Well, I don't know that I would go that far

I’m simply saying it is a concern. I’m just hoping that the coaching staff works with JT to develop a go-to move that puts him in better rebounding position if he misses.

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by Exhibit G on Oct 6, 2010 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm holding off my judgment of JT till about January

F#ck Kobe Bryant.
F#ck Shaquille O’Neal
F#ck Phil Jackson
F#ck Rick Fox (twice)
F#ck Sasha Vujacic
F#ck Robert Horry
F#ck Derek Fisher
F#ck Dick Bavetta, Bob Delaney and Ted Bernhardt – I’m still waiting for them to have their jerseys retired at Staples.
F#ck Every Laker fan who comes to Arco Arena, wears his hat sideways and stands up and cheers with his arms out and his back to the floor whenever Kobe scores a basket.
Oh, and F#ck Jack Nicholson, Dyan Cannon, and that silver haired douchebag wearing the snakeskin boots.

Who’d I miss?

by B-RAD on Oct 6, 2010 9:42 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Me too

I just said I’ll be concerned if that is actually his go-to move this season.

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by Exhibit G on Oct 6, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

He did take it inside a lot

I just noticed that even at the open practice he was trying that fadeaway bit as well, and making it too. I don’t have a problem if he uses it a couple times a game and makes it.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 6, 2010 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

So, somebody had television cameras at the game.

And here I sit, several hundred miles away, willing to give up a kidney to be able to watch the Kings in pre-season games.

Stupid Maloof Sports and Entertainment. That is not “catering to customers.”

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by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 6, 2010 6:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Isn't that ultimately CSN's decision?

I can’t imagine selling ads for a meaningless game for a team that lost 57 games is particularly easy.

Yes, I just defended the Maloofs.

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by andy sims on Oct 6, 2010 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah like Andy said

This is all on Comcast.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 6, 2010 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, then.

Stupid Comcast.

(Though I have a hard time believing that the Maloofs couldn’t make it work.)

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by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 6, 2010 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's not only the Kings

it’s every NBA team…other than the Heat…lol

by g4y Vulture on Oct 6, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

That doesn't make it any better.

This is me we’re talking about. Me, not being able to see games. Me not even being able to listen to games because they’re blacked out and all I get is stupid sports talk radio by some CBS drone. Me, not being able to attend games because SB won’t let me drive ten hours each way to do so.

Me, me, me! It’s all about me. And the stupid NBA and stupid Comcast needs to wake up and smell the hot cocoa, made with real milk and real chocolate, not that nasty powdered stuff stirred into hot water, and no marshmallows, because who wants to have to chew their drink, really? Whipped cream all the way, baby.

So, yeah. Like that.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 7, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Actually it's the Maloof's decision to not broadcast games since it's airtime they are selling when they are doing so.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 7, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Then I was right the first time.

Which shouldn’t surprise anyone.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 7, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

What surprises us all, is that you took Pookey's word for it

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by HighTops on Oct 7, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually it's the entire league

preseason doesn’t make financial sense to broadcast

by g4y Vulture on Oct 7, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually it's on a team by team basis. Not a league basis.

Know what the fuck you’re talking about before you continue to correct me. You aren’t good enough to do that.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 8, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think there should be a new foul - Afro beating

One of the things that stood out in the game was Lopez beating the heck out of JT with his Fro. It was pretty dang hilarious and, I think, caught the refs off-guard. Who knew a Fro could push somebody 3-4 feet back?

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Oct 6, 2010 7:40 AM PDT reply actions  

maybe he put a cinder block in there?

"Once again i still dont get it. We have the best backcourt in the league. 1 of the best front courts in the West. A nice bench. What team in the west cant we compete with besides the Lakers? What team in the west u guys can look at and say damn they’re much better than us? Seriously? Not being a homer at all." ~ J-Ridah's Golden State Warriors analysis.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 6, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Funny!

It could definitely fit. I think the refs had a hard time telling where the afro beating ended and Lopez’s head was connecting with JT’s chest. Took them a few hard thumps to finally call it.

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by MustangMBS on Oct 6, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

He has an Acme Company spring

that he scored form the Space Jam set…

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by Balky Needs on Oct 6, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Was that a tear coming from Cousins eye in the post game interview?

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by chenp22 on Oct 6, 2010 7:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Nah he was sweating a lot

He was so much fun to talk to after the game though. When there aren’t 50 guys pushing cameras around his face like at media day, he opens up quite a bit. He sat there and was talking to various media people for almost 20 minutes.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 6, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

He seems to be getting a lot more comfortable with our media guys. The way that he is getting more animated and giving more than the shortest answer possible. I bet he’s a fun guy to watch interviews of by the end of the year.

by Merickel on Oct 6, 2010 9:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I have a feeling that 15 to 20 years from now

Cousins is going to have an awesome episode of Beyond the Glory. Whether it’s bittersweat or awesome, it will be riveting.

"Once again i still dont get it. We have the best backcourt in the league. 1 of the best front courts in the West. A nice bench. What team in the west cant we compete with besides the Lakers? What team in the west u guys can look at and say damn they’re much better than us? Seriously? Not being a homer at all." ~ J-Ridah's Golden State Warriors analysis.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 6, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Stat of the Night -

750+ game thread comments for a non-televised, preseason game. Of course, the number drops to 23 if you eliminate all feces-related comments.

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by section214 on Oct 6, 2010 7:48 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I can't believe it got up to 23.

But I’ll be damned if I’m going to recount them.

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by andy sims on Oct 6, 2010 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

We were a great offensive rebounding team last season too,

the stat that stuck out the most for me in the game recap, was 19 Fast Break Pts for the Kings and 6 for the Suns. Yes, we did out rebound the Suns on the defensive boards, but it’s what we did with them, getting 13 more Fast Break pts that impressed me.

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by HighTops on Oct 6, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now that we're likely to be a great

defensive rebounding team as well we should see more of that. 2nd chance opportunities are a fine thing but defensive boards do more to both limit your opponent and start your offense. Great all around rebounding can cover for a lot of sins, and as this is still a young team I expect a lot of confessionals.
I thought there was little excuse for rebounds to be essentially even at the half. They addressed it, created as you say a bunch of fast break opportunities in the 2nd half and pulled away for the win.
On Thursday they go against a team with two or three legit big men, that’s going to give us a nice status report.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

It helps that a couple of our great rebounders

(JT and Cuz) are good at starting the break too.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 6, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Akyis did a good job explaining that rebound situation

when he pointed out that the Suns got a lot of rebounds off of the 14 missed 3’s, which lead to long rebounds for them.

As far as the Clips rebounding, they were even with Portland and Portland was without Camby, Oden, & Przybilla. Kaman & Griffin had 7 each and Jordan had 6, against a bunch of PF’s with Pendergraph starting at center. But, yes, it will be interesting to see our guys go up against Kaman and Griffin.

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by HighTops on Oct 6, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

We took the identical number of 3 pt shots in the first half

both teams were 1 for 7. Not buying it.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Landry brothers at the starting forwards

combined for One defensive rebound the whole game. Me no likey.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

To go on and on (sorry)

‘Starting’ forwards 5 combined rebounds, only 1 on D in 57 + minutes, while the ‘back-up’ forwards had 17 rebounds, 12 on the defensive end in 52 minutes.

It’s easy to see where the game changed.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Me no likey either

I was particularly disturbed by only 3 Top Hat boards (1 defensive) in 35 minutes…

by outrider on Oct 6, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

He played the top of the key a lot.

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by MustangMBS on Oct 6, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

As did / do Richardson and Dudley

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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

So, that's 12 of 14 shots that might have been long rebounds?

which means our height advantage inside wasn’t a real benefit.

I believe that what we were discussing how our new increased size down low would make us a stronger offensive & defensive rebounding team. But, in the 1st half, if 12 three point attempts were missed and resulted in long rebounds, then our low post size advantage wasn’t an advantage at all.

I don’t know how many missed 3’s resulted in long rebounds. I wasn’t at the game and was going by what Akyis posted which made sense to me. Thank you for filling in the stat with the 1 for 7 numbers, but unless we know how many of those missed shots resulted in long rebounds we still don’t know who’s right.

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by HighTops on Oct 6, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't care if they're long rebounds or not

The Landrys’ were mostly out there on the perimeter too. Go get’em boys – or take a seat. Only a few times a game does a lucky long bounce come into play, it doesn’t account for the discrepancy.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Size really did matter.

Our height inside allowed our guys to dominate the boards. Long shots, such as 3s, didn’t really matter IMO. It led to one rebounds of note or that I saw and that Pooh’s. He was the only guy within 5 feet or more of the ball.

We had 11 more rebounds and that was due to our guys getting after it and being bigger than the other team.

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by MustangMBS on Oct 6, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Completely Spenceless comment.

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by Balky Needs on Oct 6, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am damn excited

for Kings basketball this year.

by Dub_TC on Oct 6, 2010 8:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Very Nice post Aykis,

I wasn’t able to listen to the broadcast, but you really did a nice job filling in all the blanks. I wasn’t planning to got to any of the preseason games, since I blew my budget on the regular season packages and I needed to save for the StR’s nights. But, this has me so excited I just might head out there for the Clips & GS games.

I’ve got to say that I think your assessment of Greene is way too premature. With Sammy, Hassan & Jackson not suited up, I think Dontes minutes had more to due with holding him in reserve in case JT & Cuz got into foul trouble than that he was beat out by Landry. And, with Cisco out also, it was a good opportunity to see how Marcus could perform against the Suns starters.

I wouldn’t put too much into Donte’s PT any more than I would, Jeter getting over 21minutes at the PG. What I do take away from it is that the Kings have a incredibly flexible roster.

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by HighTops on Oct 6, 2010 9:41 AM PDT reply actions  

I got the vibe that he's behind in the race for the SF spot

mostly from Paul Westphal’s presser after the game. Like I said above the post, I think Westphal is going to alternate playing Omri and Donté big minutes during the preseason to see who excels. Landry will continue to get big minutes as they evaluate him. We’ll know the next game if we see that Omri only plays 10 minutes and Donté sees a major boost.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 6, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think there is some truth in all of this

Omri seems definitely ahead to start at SF and Donte’ probably got less minutes last night at SF because they needed him at PF against the small Suns line-up.

I think the starting SF spot will be won on consistency. Consistency favors Omri. Donte’ is very talented, but has seemed to be either on or very off in the past.

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by MustangMBS on Oct 6, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

By presser do you mean Press Conference

Just joking. I read PW’s comments a little different. I couldn’t hear the question, but the answer was that “the guys who primarily played that spot, Marcus & Omri did a very good job”. I didn’t read that as meaning that Donte wouldn’t have done well if he had “played that spot”.

Again I don’t believe this was a matter of PW alternating starters at the SF, to get a handle on who will win the spot. I still believe that it had more to due with 3 of the bigs not suiting up and the possibility that Cuz & JT might get into early foul trouble. When Dalembert comes back, I think we’ll see more of what your suggesting.

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by HighTops on Oct 6, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

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by chenp22 on Oct 6, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great recap, and nice win.

Ecstatic about Cousins. Reke turned it on. Worried for Donte but not really since I’m sure he’ll get extra burn next game out.

JT, Omri and Jeter. All 3 are gonna help us win close games – maybe not night in, night out individually, but either one of them I’m sure will step in and be that game changing spark we need.

As for Carl, forget his rebounds, how is his box out? If he boxes out effectively, then he helps our other guys grab boards (simply because they’ll have one opponent less to contend with), and is providing good support for our team regardless of his lack of rebounds.

But if he isn’t, and he’s not pulling in boards himself, it is worrying.

This.

by elfboy_ on Oct 6, 2010 10:57 AM PDT reply actions  

I do like ur

Starting Front court of DMC, JT and Casspi; and if all three are in Sact-Town they will be starting Next season 4 sho! BUT I still don’t like the Beno starting. BUT that is just me; and we have yet to see what Sammie D looks like; I feel Top Hat will look, and have better numbers once Sammie is in the game, the offence down low will run through him, and he will be guarding the weaker offensive player which will allow him to grab some extra boards…(hopefully??)

by shadowchicken on Oct 6, 2010 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

JTs go-to move?
His go-to move is quickly becoming a fade-away jumper on the baseline, and its been going down consistently.

Ha-ha. By consistently, how many times has he made the shot? 3 times? Please. A fade-away on the baseline is what the defense wants to concede to the offensive player. This is not a go-to move. It is a low percentage shot. And JT will be fortunate to make 1 out 3 once the season starts.

JT go to move to date has far as I can tell is flailing himself into the defender and hoping for a whistle, lol.

Seriously, to get this riled up over playing Suns second unit? JT saves his best when it matters least. Let’s temper this praise until he actually performs well against a real NBA power forward, not Earl Clark, lol.

I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year.

by bench_blob on Oct 6, 2010 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

RE: Prediction in your signature,

are you taking any wagers?

I’ve got a Gamblers Anonymous chip that could be yours.

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by elfboy_ on Oct 6, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, you Are down on JT aren't you?

I think he’s probably the 3rd really important big man on a contending team, but he doesn’t stink bb.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am not down on JT

Just realistic. I think it is naive to say that a player who has established zero low post game in two seasons all of the sudden has a ‘go-to’ move.

JTs ‘go-to’ move should be passing to Carl or DMC and getting out the way.

In all fairness, I do like JTs hustle and work ethic and garbage player mentality. And he will perform better no that his role is diminished, and aligned with his modest skill level.

I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year.

by bench_blob on Oct 6, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously

You are down on JT, you consistently make negative remarks, and heap the silliest accolades upon Landry, like his unique ability as an undersized PF to clear space for his teammates to get a rebound. Your commentary on JT/Landry almost reads as a parody of yourself, which is disappointing, as you are one of the few posters I scan the comment section to see what they have written. A turnaround jumper is not a low percentage shot, it is a basic shot in a low post scorer’s arsenal. Some of the greatest player’s in NBA history have relied on the turnaround jumper as there go to move, Hakeem, Parish, Hayes, Lanier.

by MichaelMack on Oct 6, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, if JT becomes a Hall-of-Famer, his fadeaway turnaround jumper should be fine.

That’s a tough shot, and given that the only time I can recall him making one was yesterday, it might be a bit early to start counting the ballots. If he’s refined it, good for him, good for the Kings, good for all of us.

One-game sample sizes are so worthless.

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by andy sims on Oct 6, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did not compare

JT to those players, but mentioned them to illustrate that the turnaround jumper is not a “low-percentage shot” that “the defense wants you to take” and it being referenced as “not a go to move”.

by MichaelMack on Oct 6, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

You misread my comments

I agree with you a turnaround jumper is a standard low post move.

A turnaround fade-away shot along the baseline, in which you do not have the opportunity to bank off glass, is a low percentage shot. I think you would agree, MM.

As general rule, turning into the middle, and to your strong side is low post players first move. If that is taken away, a drop step power move is secondary. If a post player is resorting to a fade away it is logically because he could not overpower defender, get to the middle, or create space and go up straight.

If you think back over the years no dominant post players had a fadeaway jumper as primary move. Fadeaway and go-to are not synonymous terms.

Thanks for the compliment. Some of what I say regarding JT/Landry is to be intentionally compelling and all in good fun, but I stand by it until proven wrong.

I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year.

by bench_blob on Oct 6, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll take the dare
If you think back over the years no dominant post players had a fadeaway jumper as primary move. Fadeaway and go-to are not synonymous terms.

Hakeem Olajuwan.

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by section214 on Oct 6, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

That name actually occurred to me. But I would consider the Dream Shake to be his primary move. He was so hard to defend because you could not tell if he was going to turn left or right, or one way and reverse back. And amazing footwork. I’d consider Hakeem’s spin moves as primary weapon to free from defender more so than a fadeaway.

I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year.

by bench_blob on Oct 6, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fadeaways are not go to move?

Lists are available that are not that far of a stretch. That Google is an amazing thing.

Steve Nash – fadeaway in the lane
Tim Duncan – fadeway from post
Michael Redd – sidestep fadeaway
Dirk Nowizki – fadeaway
Kevin Garnett – Fadeaway
Paul Pierce – fadeaway
Ray Allen – fading to left jump shot
Kobe Bryant – fadeaway
Lebron James – fadeaway
Carmelo Anthony – fadeaway
Tracy Macgrady – fadeaway
Yao Ming – fadeaway from post
Pau Gasol – fadeaway
Jermaine Oneal – fadeaway
Elton Brand – fadeaway
Vince Carter – fadeaway
Chris Bosh – fadeaway
Kevin Durant – sidestep fadeaway
Carlos Boozer – fadeaway from post
Deron Williams – step back fadeaway
Rasheed Wallace – fadeaway from post
Baron Davis – side step fadeaway
Gilbert Arenas – step back fadeaway

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by MustangMBS on Oct 6, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

bb did restrict to post players

I think some of this is semantics – a primary move vs. the primary move. But a couple of things are a certainty – the fadeaway is a legit and lethal NBA move. And while you don’t want your center/power forward making a habit of it, it is a nice tool to have in the tool kit, especially when you are prone to having your shot blocked now and then.

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by section214 on Oct 6, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

but bb makes a good point about being able to create spacing. If you don’t have a move that can create space so that your jumper doesn’t get blocked, then you have to go to the fade away.

If JT is using the fade away because he can’t create space, then that is a negative. But, we are seeing improvements, and I’d suggest reserving judgement until the lineups and rotations are a little more set. If Dalenbert and Cuz are the Centers than JT probably doesn’t have Lopez guarding him, so he might not have to worry as much about getting blocked.

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by HighTops on Oct 6, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good points

Basically where I was going. That it is a legit and lethal move. I would also say that the creating space thing can be a problem for any Center if Tyreke is drawing defenders into the paint. It should not, automatically, be a knock against JT.

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by MustangMBS on Oct 7, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you are going to rely

on Google for basketball insights, thats your first mistake. That list is irrelevant to the discussion.

Section says it well. A fadeaway is a nice shot to have in your scoring arsenal. There is a skill to jump and turn in one motion, maintain balance, visually locate target and release fluid shot. Michael Jordan late in his career had real nice fadeaway shot. But if it is your go-to move, you are not an efficient offensive player.

I recognize that all players, including those on your list, resort to fade away shots. But in almost no circumstance is that a players first intention when they look to score. It is simply not a high percentage shot.

I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year.

by bench_blob on Oct 6, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would say that it is JT's, and others, go to move in certain circumstances

If you have defenders in front of you and need to create space then that is where this comes in, as a move, right? Why else do it. Given that Tyreke draws defenders into the paint I can see how JT having this move is really good. It isn’t like he will always have the space he needs to get to the rim.

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by MustangMBS on Oct 7, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Blob,

Come on.

Anybody with enough practice can make any shot, including a fadeaway, their most efficient shot.

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by caseycheesecake on Oct 7, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cough Jordan Cough..

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by chenp22 on Oct 7, 2010 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not really making any point here but

1. I swear I don’t remember a Michael Redd fadeaway signature move. I was under the impression that guy just caught and shot because he had an insanely quick release

2. Dirk has almost a 30 year old Michael Jordan type fadeway. That thing is insanely consistent and nobody can challenge the shot.

3. I hated Elton Brand’s fadeway. Couldn’t and still can’t stand it.

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by wallywagon11 on Oct 7, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

My brother-in-law loves to drive into you and fadeaway right near the basket. I can never block it. (But I’m still better than him)

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by caseycheesecake on Oct 7, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

JT wasn't just playing against the second string

Lopez was out there playing against JT at several points and I would have to disagree with you a bit about JT’s go to move.

JT was gold from 10-12 feet last year, especially at the beginning of the year, and that shot was not what the defense wanted him taking. That is why he got consistently doubled at that spot last year. The shot JT takes and being discussed is a high percentage shot for him.

Seems like you are not a JT fan and that is fine, but the dude filled the stat sheet last night and looked great.

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by MustangMBS on Oct 6, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

For what it's worth

JT does often settle for that shot and I do recall being mighty frustrated when he puts it up. Maybe he does shoot it well but I am skeptical.

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by wallywagon11 on Oct 6, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

at the same time though

I wouldn’t call people out for being excited for a preseason gameif I were to also write about JT “flailing himself into the defender, lol” and the “saves his best when it matters least.”

"Once again i still dont get it. We have the best backcourt in the league. 1 of the best front courts in the West. A nice bench. What team in the west cant we compete with besides the Lakers? What team in the west u guys can look at and say damn they’re much better than us? Seriously? Not being a homer at all." ~ J-Ridah's Golden State Warriors analysis.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 6, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right!

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tim Duncan lives off that shot

(not that I’m making the comparison) It’s one of his ‘go-to’ moves as well.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

In responding, I just realized I haven't really watched Duncan much in a long long time

I thought Duncan tended to roll actually more to the middle of the court, away from baseline when he shot his fade aways.

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by wallywagon11 on Oct 6, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

The elbow jumper off the backboard

Is one of the really only two or three offensive moves he goes to consitantly.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

well yeah there is the elbow jumper

but I don’t recall that being a turn around fade away, I thought that was just a straight up elbow jumper.

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by wallywagon11 on Oct 6, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the line can be drawn at about 12 feet.

JT started getting doubled inside of 12 feet and definitely settle for shots farther out last year. I think his shot inside of 12 feet is money.

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by MustangMBS on Oct 6, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

not sure about that

I like JT but I seem to recall the only shots I really liked from him were open jump shots where he wasn’t fading away and put backs or the very rare dunk.

"Once again i still dont get it. We have the best backcourt in the league. 1 of the best front courts in the West. A nice bench. What team in the west cant we compete with besides the Lakers? What team in the west u guys can look at and say damn they’re much better than us? Seriously? Not being a homer at all." ~ J-Ridah's Golden State Warriors analysis.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 6, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

His inside shot (not off a rebound and within 6 feet) was rarely going in last year

He had a problem figuring out how soft to put it up and basically overshot the rim all the time from inside, but his 12-16 ft shot went in more than not.

So I hated it when he went inside. I preferred him in the highpost. But the problem there is that he didn’t get the off. rebounds from there that he was consistently getting before.

So I’m hoping his inside shot has gotten better so he doesn’t have to stay away from the basket just to make shots.

by LOUiECOG on Oct 6, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Totally agree, that's how I felt too

Maybe the stats show I am wrong but I was seeing it the same way you were. Whenever he tried to iniate something down low with the ball it just didn’t really look like he had a very good understanding of angles and how to use space. I dunno, it just didn’t seem terribly effective.

"Once again i still dont get it. We have the best backcourt in the league. 1 of the best front courts in the West. A nice bench. What team in the west cant we compete with besides the Lakers? What team in the west u guys can look at and say damn they’re much better than us? Seriously? Not being a homer at all." ~ J-Ridah's Golden State Warriors analysis.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 6, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

It’s like when he got close to the rim, he panicked and then just chucked it up in hopes of not being blocked and hopes it’d just go in.

The funny thing is, when he got his own rebound, he tended to put it back up and in successfully.

by LOUiECOG on Oct 6, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

JT shot 45% inside 10 ft but only 34% from 10-15 ft last season.

he only averaged 1 shot attempt per game from 10-15 ft last season. By far the long 2 (16-23ft) was his most frequent shot, hitting only 39% from that range.

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by HighTops on Oct 6, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

to me he's a hard guy to figure out

"Once again i still dont get it. We have the best backcourt in the league. 1 of the best front courts in the West. A nice bench. What team in the west cant we compete with besides the Lakers? What team in the west u guys can look at and say damn they’re much better than us? Seriously? Not being a homer at all." ~ J-Ridah's Golden State Warriors analysis.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 6, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Enjoyed the writeup Aykis.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 6, 2010 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I seen

Reke, DMC, Hassan, antoine wright and Luther Head all at BJs in Natomas last night after the game. I went to the game and stopped by BJs afterwards to have a drink with my buddy and did not expect to see all of them their. It was weird because they were all separated around the restaurant in their own little groups.

by Chent on Oct 6, 2010 12:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Luther Head?

What, his last supper?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea

He was the only 1 sitting at the bar by himself. The other players had friends or girls with them.

by Chent on Oct 6, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now I just feel a little sad for him

sorry Luther.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

several minutes later...gunshots

But it’s okay, he missed by a mile.

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by Holmdel on Oct 6, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ummmmmm

Not quite sure I got the joke and if I did … yikes

"Once again i still dont get it. We have the best backcourt in the league. 1 of the best front courts in the West. A nice bench. What team in the west cant we compete with besides the Lakers? What team in the west u guys can look at and say damn they’re much better than us? Seriously? Not being a homer at all." ~ J-Ridah's Golden State Warriors analysis.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 6, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Luther sat alone at the bar, checked out the STR game thread on his phone excited to see if he was

mentioned, saw how viciously he was slammed for his poor shooting, despondent, he pulled out a gun and shot himself, but that missed, too.

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Oct 6, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

not quite sure how to respond

not really offended but at the same time suicide humor isn’t exactly my favorite type of humor

"Once again i still dont get it. We have the best backcourt in the league. 1 of the best front courts in the West. A nice bench. What team in the west cant we compete with besides the Lakers? What team in the west u guys can look at and say damn they’re much better than us? Seriously? Not being a homer at all." ~ J-Ridah's Golden State Warriors analysis.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 6, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought it was hilarious.

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by caseycheesecake on Oct 6, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Antoine Wright and Hassan were the

only ones with girls. Hassan was like on a double date.

by Chent on Oct 6, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

"double date" like Three-Will?

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Oct 6, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

See, his problem was never ADD

It’s not that he gets distracted easily, he’s just always working two to three angles at once is all!

"Once again i still dont get it. We have the best backcourt in the league. 1 of the best front courts in the West. A nice bench. What team in the west cant we compete with besides the Lakers? What team in the west u guys can look at and say damn they’re much better than us? Seriously? Not being a homer at all." ~ J-Ridah's Golden State Warriors analysis.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 6, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

HAHHHA

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Oct 6, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can we not jump down JT's throat everytime?

Jeez lately any mention of JT and it sparks some anti JT arguments around here. It’s the preseason and he played well, give the guy a break.

I still stand by my own prediction that JT and Cousins will eventually start together in the season.

"It's just like the story of the grasshopper and the octopus. All year long, the grasshopper kept burying acorns for winter, while the octopus mooched off his girlfriend and watched TV. But then the winter came, and the grasshopper died, and the octopus ate all his acorns. Also he got a race car. Is any of this getting through to you?"

by Apoet on Oct 6, 2010 3:24 PM PDT reply actions  

I think many

Focus on the things JT doesn’t do well and miss out on his total game, his pro career so far has mirrored his college career, his junior year he started to really improve not fouling and his overall polish on his game, he will continue to work hard and improve on his weaknesses he is never satisfied with his performance and always feels he must improve. IMO Cousins and JT are the Kings starting 4/5 of the future and their best combo with Landry and Dali spelling them when they are in foul trouble which will be early and often but you can not ignore JT and DMC’s ability to pass, score and rebound

by Beagle12 on Oct 6, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Reke'd

As long as he remains healthy, JT will have a long NBA career, and he will likely be an integral part of a championship contender at some point. Whether it is as a starter or bench player is beside the point. He has a skill set that is vital for any 3-man big rotation.

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by section214 on Oct 6, 2010 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Adding -

He can certainly still improve in some areas. JT strikes me as the kind of guy that will accept that type of challenge.

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by section214 on Oct 6, 2010 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've thought and always have thought since JT was drafted that his career arc was somewhere between David West (all of his upside reached) or a solid 3rd rotation big.

JT just isn’t going to be a borderline All-Star type is all.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 7, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Congrats on the press pass Aykis

That’s really awesome.

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by lodisacfan on Oct 6, 2010 4:44 PM PDT reply actions  

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