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Kings 109, Suns 95: Box Score Breakdown

Be sure to check out Aykis' ace recap, live from the press section.

SHOOTING

The Kings shot 39-70 (.557, A+) on two-pointers, 6-17 (.353, C) on three-pointers and 13-18 (.722, D) on free throws. Thanks to that magnificent percentage on twos, the Kings had an effective field goal percentage of .551 and a True Shooting percentage of .574. That's excellent shooting.

The Suns shot 34-58 (.586, A+) on two-pointers, 2-16 (.125, F-) on three-pointers and 21-30 (.700, D-) on free throws. The team's effective field goal percentage shook out to .500 (average), and the True Shooting percentage was .544 (roughly average, or a bit worse). That's not necessarily a boon for the Kings shooting defense, though it should be noted that most of the errant threes came from rotation Suns, not scrubs. (Opening night rotation players accounted for 13 of Phoenix's 16 three-point attempts.)

Rebounding, turnovers and foul-drawing after the jump.

Star-divide

REBOUNDING

The Kings did really well on the offensive glass, grabbing 13 of 40 opportunities (32.5%). Sacramento was also quite solid on the defensive boards, grabbing 34 of 43 opportunities (79.1%).

DeMarcus Cousins, of course, stood out, with 16 (5 offense, 11 defense) rebounds in 30 minutes. His estimated offensive rebounding percentage was a Brockman-like 20%. His estimated defensive rebounding percentage was a Dwight Howard-like 41%. Simply insane totals.

Jason Thompson had a lovely night on the glass, too, with 10 in all (five on each end). Shock's offensive rebounding percentage was 22%, and his defensive rebounding percentage was a solid 20.6%.

TURNOVERS

The Kings had a few too many turnovers. It was a 97-possession game, so you'd want the turnover count to be below 13. Sacramento had 15 turnovers (six of those Suns steals), for a turnover rate of 15.4%. Cousins had five of those, and Carl Landry added three. That'll be something to watch with DMC, given that he had turnover problems at Summer League as well.

The Suns had way too many turnovers, but obviously weren't taking this scrimmage too seriously. Twenty-three turnovers (11 Kings steals) in 97 possessions for Phoenix. Goran Dragic had six off just one assist.

FOUL-DRAWING

Only one Kings -- guess who? Tyreke Evans -- drew fouls with any consistency, with eight free throw attempts. Top Hat added four, and no other King went to the line for more than a pair.

The Suns had a host of players earn four free throws. Cousins and Thompson each committed five fouls, something else to keep an eye on going forward.

No technical fouls! I'm shocked.

***

Box Score Champion of the Day: DeMarcus Cousins

Boogie shot better than 60% and owned the glass. It's been six years since the Kings have had someone do that without it being a complete shock. Remember how refreshing JT was his rookie season, when he exploded onto the scene doing stuff like this? That was a touch flukey.

Does anyone remotely think DMC's performance was flukey? At all?

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Can they remember the situations where DMC turned it over? Were the Suns just poking the ball loose down low? Was he at the top of the key making bad entry passes? Poor pass back out to the perimeter? Offense foul? Traveling? Dribbling the ball off his shoe?

"Once again i still dont get it. We have the best backcourt in the league. 1 of the best front courts in the West. A nice bench. What team in the west cant we compete with besides the Lakers? What team in the west u guys can look at and say damn they’re much better than us? Seriously? Not being a homer at all." ~ J-Ridah's Golden State Warriors analysis.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 6, 2010 11:51 AM PDT reply actions  

One was a travel while making a post up move

We couldn’t see his feet as Lopez was in the way but he looked suprised. Another was one of those traveling calls driving to the basket where I guess he took a step before putting the ball down. Seconds later they made the identical call on Lopez so you wonder if it was a make-up call or they were schooling the young bigs.
The third I remember was a loose ball he tried to dribble the length of the court, two Suns crowded him and he couldn’t decide what to do with the ball and got it poked away.
I don’t recall the other two and I don’t remember any offensive fouls.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think another was on a D board

that he didn’t cover up enough and it got poked away.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

"Once again i still dont get it. We have the best backcourt in the league. 1 of the best front courts in the West. A nice bench. What team in the west cant we compete with besides the Lakers? What team in the west u guys can look at and say damn they’re much better than us? Seriously? Not being a homer at all." ~ J-Ridah's Golden State Warriors analysis.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 6, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of Cousins' turnovers

Was after he had rebounded the ball and tried to dribble the ball up the court. He quickly got it poked away. Westphaul immediately called a timeout and was yelling at Cousins so laudly that I could hear it from my seat in the upper deck.

by Mad Hops on Oct 6, 2010 3:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good breakdown

I’m also impressed with both JT and Casspi getting 4 assists. DMC did not fare well in that category, but I can see him getting 4 assists or more once in a while.

Also, Casspi’s 7 rebounds in almost 25 minutes could be mentioned. That’s a nice addition from your SF spot, especialy when compared to the Landry’s collectively…

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on Oct 6, 2010 12:03 PM PDT reply actions  

You tell'em TZ

I said it before but – When we started winning the rebounding battle we started winning the game.
We started winning the rebounding battle when the Landrys went out and JT and Casspi came in, we were trailing in rebounds early and at the end of the 1st quarter.
Nice catch on the 3 pt attempts being by Phx rotation players.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 12:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Why give the Kings a C on threes?

Shooting .353 from three is the same as shooting .530 from two. That should deserve at least a B. I know it’s a nitpick

by KingsFan on Oct 6, 2010 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought a C was average and a B was above average

Stupid grade inflation

"Once again i still dont get it. We have the best backcourt in the league. 1 of the best front courts in the West. A nice bench. What team in the west cant we compete with besides the Lakers? What team in the west u guys can look at and say damn they’re much better than us? Seriously? Not being a homer at all." ~ J-Ridah's Golden State Warriors analysis.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 6, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

League average last year was .352

and it was kind of a down year.

HERE

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoops

HERE

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm curious TZ

How do you come up with the rebounding %s? Who tracks that?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 1:06 PM PDT reply actions  

The formula for defensive rebound rate is as follows

100 x ( DRB (Team Minutes Played / 5)) / (Minutes Played x (Team DRB + Opponent ORB))

So for DeMarcus it would be 100 x ( 11 (239.5/5)) / (30 x (34 + 9)) which = 52690 / 1290 = 40.8 or about 41% like Ziller said.

These formulas can be found and explained on Basketball Reference

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by Aykis16 on Oct 6, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's just some quick math

Kings offensive rebounds + Suns defensive rebounds = Kings offensive rebound opportunities. Kings offensive rebounds divided by offensive rebound opportunities = Kings offensive rebound percentage.

On a player basis, you adjust for minutes. Kings had 40 offensive reb opps total. DMC played 30 minutes in a 48-minute game, or 62.5%. So assuming the off reb opps were spread evenly, DMC would have had roughly 25 off reb opps while on the court. He had five off rebs, so his individual off reb % would be 20%. It’s only “estimated” because we’re estimating the opps while he was in the game.

by Tom Ziller on Oct 6, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

And of course

Aykis explained it quicker and more cleanly. Read his explanation above.

by Tom Ziller on Oct 6, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually I prefer the written explanation

I’m not really planning to do the math myself. Now I understand that it’s an estimate

So assuming the off reb opps were spread evenly
I get it. Thanks to both of you.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

A Look at a Couple Other Boxscores from Yesterday

Jon Brockman: 6 points (3-4 shooting), 8 rebounds (2 Offensive), 1 TO, 2 Stls, 27 min.

Spencer Hawes: 6 points (3-5 shooting), 4 rebounds (1 Offensive), 1 Blk, 5 Fouls, 16 min.

Andres Nocioni: DNP-CD

by #12Pick...who? on Oct 6, 2010 1:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Brockman better then hawes..You heard it here folks!

And noc, Euroleague is waitign for you
!

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by Widowwolf on Oct 6, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hawes got into foul trouble early and often

20 secs. into the game against Brands man, and 2.5 minutes into the game he fouled Lopez and sat out the rest of the quarter. He fouled Lopez at 6.40 of the 2nd quarter and his 4th came 2 min 43 sec into the 2nd half, again against Lopez.

If he continues to foul at that rate, he may have the fewest mpg of any starter in the league.

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by HighTops on Oct 6, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hawes hurt his back in the Boston game tonight, and didn't return for the 2nd half.

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by HighTops on Oct 6, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

DMC is no fluke

He may not be able to dominate on the boards against a big team, but I would predict double – doubles every time he plays 30 minutes.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Oct 6, 2010 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Actually, probably even every 22-25 minutes. Not 16-16, but definitely 10-10.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Oct 6, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's what I think

He’ll average a double-double in 20 min + until/unless he hits the rookie wall.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

He can do 10 and 10 without even trying

Its kind of ridiculous.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 6, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Oct 6, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a

rec to both of you.

Very funny headlines I’m sure someone will steal.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

My hopeful headline?

“Seems like old times as the Kings and LA meet in the playoffs”

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

My hopeful headline...

“The times, they are a’changing as Kings defeat [redacted] in WC Finals on same day that PhutureKings wins $280 million dollar lottery, despite not playing. Tom Zook was not available for comment.”

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by PhutureKings on Oct 6, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

In other news,

PhutureKings gave that $280 million to elfboy_ for outstanding contributions to humanity and being ‘a darn nice guy’.

This.

by elfboy_ on Oct 6, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

No probs about the arena, but the name

is too obvious and narcissistic.

I’m thinking the ‘Elfboy Is A Darn Nice Guy’ Coliseum. On the corner of ‘Elfboy Avenue’ and ‘Suck It CalExpo’ street.

Or we could just call it the ‘Sacramento Kings’ Arena, as long as we have it on ‘Suck it CalExpo’ Street.

This.

by elfboy_ on Oct 7, 2010 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

well technically

If he is able to get 10-10 in 22 minutes, that would be awful close to 16-16 in 30 minutes.

"Once again i still dont get it. We have the best backcourt in the league. 1 of the best front courts in the West. A nice bench. What team in the west cant we compete with besides the Lakers? What team in the west u guys can look at and say damn they’re much better than us? Seriously? Not being a homer at all." ~ J-Ridah's Golden State Warriors analysis.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 6, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

IF Sam ever truly gets back.

I have a feeling this might have hurt Sam’s playing time permanently. How can you take Cousins off the floor with that kind of production?

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Oct 6, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mostly because he may not be capable of going more than 30 a night.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Oct 6, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

But originally,

Sam was to get major minutes and bring Cousins slowly. Now, it seems like Cousins will get 30 minutes off the bat while Sam is coming slowly. But late in the season, when Sam is all the way back, it’s not like he’ll be able to cut into Cuz’ 30 minutes. It was like…now or never. And now he’ll be back to where he was in Philly – about 22-25 min/game max.

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by caseycheesecake on Oct 6, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think they got to go with the original plan

If they burn DMC at 30 minutes a night he won’t last the whole season. He will hit the rookie wall harder than Omri did.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Oct 6, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

This

& don’t disregard the fact that Sam’s a veteran and knows how to play in this league — DMC’s talent is sensational but Sam’s experience is undeniable.

by sj60615 on Oct 6, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also foul situation.

We don’t want to lose DMC for large tracts of game time because he’s in foul trouble. It might damage both his long term development, and our chances to win the game.

So DMC is our 1st big (and possibly 1st player) off the bench.

This.

by elfboy_ on Oct 6, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

All good points

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Oct 6, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

PW has made a point of his conditioning

and said he’s only leaving him in 6 mins at a time, so the coach is thinking along your lines, too.

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by HighTops on Oct 6, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

TWSS

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"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.

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by PhutureKings on Oct 6, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I haven't rec'd a TWSS in a while

but darn it, this one deserves it

"Once again i still dont get it. We have the best backcourt in the league. 1 of the best front courts in the West. A nice bench. What team in the west cant we compete with besides the Lakers? What team in the west u guys can look at and say damn they’re much better than us? Seriously? Not being a homer at all." ~ J-Ridah's Golden State Warriors analysis.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 7, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am both humbled and honored, sir.

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"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.

"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Oct 7, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Flukey...

like a fox.

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile

by Balky Needs on Oct 6, 2010 2:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Side note:

We just recently blackmailed DTV into giving us free Hi-def.

Wow! What a difference. I’m really looking forward to watching the games in it.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 2:52 PM PDT reply actions  

As Sterling Archer once said:

Duh! and or Hello!

I cannot watch standard def anymore. I feel like I’ve got someone’s prescription glasses on.

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"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.

"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Oct 6, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh?

Don’t dash my hopes!

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 7, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm also hoping they have remedied this...

but I’m not getting those hopes up high. It’s been 4 years now that they have been doing HD home broadcasts (I think) and have yet to set up HD away broadcasts.

by LOUiECOG on Oct 7, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Random question:

With Hawes gone, does it make any sense to refer to Jason Thompson as “Shock?”

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Oct 6, 2010 3:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Maybe we can associate it with a Run DMC song...

like “Hard Time”

“… and be on point for the Future Shock

I refuse to get rid of the Shock alias ;P

"It's just like the story of the grasshopper and the octopus. All year long, the grasshopper kept burying acorns for winter, while the octopus mooched off his girlfriend and watched TV. But then the winter came, and the grasshopper died, and the octopus ate all his acorns. Also he got a race car. Is any of this getting through to you?"

by Apoet on Oct 6, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

More Cowbell

we need more cowbell please

by Pat Willie on Oct 6, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Phuture Shock. I'm cool w/ that.

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"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.

"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Oct 6, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alternatives

JT & Whiteside = Shock & Raw

JT & Cousins = Shock and Ha!

JT & Dalembert = Shock & Cause

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by section214 on Oct 6, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Boogie Man Shock?

Haitian Shock

Darkside Shock

by gdub171 on Oct 6, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or...

JT & Minny’s GM = Shock a’Khan.

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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Oct 6, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm not buying any of this.

But you are a clever bunch, and I can afford to wait.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Oct 6, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Draft day '08

He was the biggest shock since Peja, certainly. Right?

by Tom Ziller on Oct 7, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I prefer the JT/Red Flag version

Shock/Therapy

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by JediLeroy on Oct 6, 2010 5:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I so totally clicked reply to section. 100% sure of it. Buggy SBN.

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Oct 6, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm also sad that Sean May's gone, as a Deli/Dali specialty could've been nice

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by JediLeroy on Oct 6, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

JT & May

Shock and Bra

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by section214 on Oct 6, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jt and Casspi

Shock and Brew
or – Shock and Oi
or- JT DMC and TE, Shock, Rattle, and Roll

by Pat Willie on Oct 6, 2010 6:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Good nickname for Jason Thompson?

“JT.”

Just came up with it. And if you must, JT & Jeter.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Oct 6, 2010 7:16 PM PDT reply actions  

???

Is the SF battle still like it was in the summer league, were one night Casspi would get most of the minutes, then the next night it would be Donte’s turn. If not, whats with the little PT Donte got in last nights game?

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by haze0945 on Oct 6, 2010 7:52 PM PDT reply actions  

anyone know

if Kings r going to use their tweeked away jerseys we saw?

by jumpboi on Oct 6, 2010 8:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Slightly off topic,

but the Suns are being absolutely schooled by the Raptors! How bad are the Suns this year.

And if so… is 2nd place in Pacific up for grabs? I do believe so.

This.

by elfboy_ on Oct 6, 2010 9:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Reg. Season Steve Nash > Preseason Steve Nash

As long as Nash stays healthy, I have trouble seeing the Clips, Dubs or us overtaking Phoenix. But I’ve been wrong before (lots).

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by section214 on Oct 6, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm… he’ll have to log heavy minutes each and every night, just to put the Suns in a position to win games. Though I’m sure he’s in great shape, his recovery time between games is gonna be severely tested this season.

Still they could turn out to be the West Coast version of the Celtics. Only start winning when it counts.

This.

by elfboy_ on Oct 6, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But the guy’s a freak. 33 minutes a night last year as a 35 year old. Common sense says that he can’t keep it up. But common sense would have never had the guy winning MVP awards.

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by section214 on Oct 6, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

without Amare two years ago

they missed the playoffs, and Amare actually played 53 games that season.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Suns live & die by the long ball.

They led the league in 3pt % and attempts last season, so when they’re off they seldom win. And, tonight they were 3-18 from beyond the arc.

Also, they played 15 players with Frye and Warrick sitting out.

They won’t win 54 games this season, but I’d expect them to at least play .500 ball and probably a little better. The Kings will probably will have to win 45 games to end up 2nd in the Pacific. But, like Section said, “He could be wrong”,

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by HighTops on Oct 6, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

45 is probably the minimum number to reach the playoffs

I know its been 50 lately but I think it comes down this year. Can we win that many? Ask me in a month or two. . . . .

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed about the playoffs,

that’s why I picked that number because I think the Suns will be fighting for the 8th spot and will probably lose out.

By the way that’s a good take about Amare being out 2 years ago when the Suns missed the playoffs. That’s why I think they miss this year. Hedo gives them ball handling and outside shooting which they really don’t need. And, Warrick is no Amare. They really need a bruiser at PF to give Lopez some help inside.

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by HighTops on Oct 6, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lots of skilled wings

but can they hit enough 3s, take the beating all year or even at the end of just ordinary close games? I have real doubts.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

It depends on what you consider enough

there top four 3-pt shooters were Frye, Richards, Dudley and Nash. They averaged 7 made 3’s on 16.7 attempts for around 42%. Dragic & Hill shot 60% eFG% from 3 or better and now they have Hedo who’s career eFG% from 3 is 57%.

The 3pt shooting will be there, but Amares 13pt around the rim and 8 points from the FT line will be hard to replace.

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by HighTops on Oct 6, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like Orlando

those 3 point shooters depend on a dangerous/dynamic interior player to draw double teams – or at least keep defenses honest.
They don’t have anything close to that anymore.

They also seem to lack any real slashers (with Barbosa gone) as well that might substitute some of that.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh hello...Hakim Warrick.

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by caseycheesecake on Oct 7, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice player

6-9 220 with a career average of 10pts / 4.3 rebounds, is not going to replace Amare. And, he certainly, isn’t going to make Lopez a better center. He’s just not the type of banger that would help out Lopez.

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by HighTops on Oct 7, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

rotation guy

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Oct 7, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe that Suns - Raptors game will help

to put a bit of perspective on DMC’s monster night on the boards, and the notion that Dalembert is the one getting spot minutes off the bench.

But sure, Reke will average .600 from 3PT range. I’ve said it.

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by RikSmits on Oct 6, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

All that box score shows me

is that we probably didn’t go to the big fellas enough., or just to the basket enough. 55 free throws, wowza.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

They were looking to make some roster decisions

Richardson played 6 minutes and Lopez 15. Frye and Warrick didn’t suit up, but all 15 players that did, played.

2nd Preseason game, forget about the box scores.

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by HighTops on Oct 6, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

No choice with Lopez

5 fouls. I get it on those other guys but just reading you mentioning them makes me remember that there’s no one even close to ‘go to’ or dynamic besides Nash and I guess Richardson (OK Richardson). Barbosa is gone as well and they’ll miss him.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 6, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I read earlier he was ejected from the game along with Grant Hill

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Oct 7, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

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