Clippers 120, Kings 88: Box Score Breakdown

by Tom Ziller on Oct 8, 2010 7:30 AM PDT in Numbers

Be sure to check out Aykis' from-the-arena recap.

Not as many positives to find in a box score when a team loses by 32, it turns out.

SHOOTING

The Kings shot 31-68 (.456, awful) on two-pointers, 0-7 (uh, .000) on threes and 26-43 (.605, goodness gracious) on free throws. Needless to say, this was a fairly poor shooting night for the Kings. Only two Kings who I'd expect to be in the rotation from the start of the regular season shot 50 percent or better from the floor (Tyreke Evans at 4-6 and Francisco Garcia at 3-6). DeMarcus Cousins shot just 5-14 on two-pointers (.357) and 5-9 from the line (.555, below expectations). Here's the breakdown of DMC's field goal attempts, thanks to a quick check of the play-by-play and ESPN's shot chart.

Range	FGM-FGA
0-5 ft.	2-7
6-10 ft.	2-3
11-15 ft.	0-1
16+ ft.	1-3

I won't go into that level of detail on Carl Landry's 6-13 shooting night, but Top Hat did shoot 3-7 in the lane (he was blocked on successive attempts in the paint by Rasual Butler and Brian Cook) and 3-6 from that favored mid-range zone on the left side. Tyreke Evans shot 3-4 in the lane, 1-1 from the mid-range and 0-1 from behind the arc. (Also drew two shooting fouls, an and-1 and a two-shot.)

The Clippers shot 36-62 (.580, quite good) on two-pointers, 5-14 (.357, average) on threes and 33-47 (.702) from the line. L.A. had solid shooting across the board, but none better than Blake Griffin, who went 7-7. Six of those shots were in the lane; the other was from nine feet.

REBOUNDING

The Kings did not win the rebounding battle this time around.

The Clippers managed 14 offensive rebounds in 38 opportunities, a sterling 36.8% offensive rebound rate. Griffin had five of those in 23 minutes (an unreal 27% O-Reb rate) and Al-Farouq Aminu added six in 27 minutes (28% O-Reb rate). Omri Casspi led the Kings in defensive rebounds with five; Cousins and Jason Thompson had just three between them in a combined 42 minutes. C. Landry had three in 30 minutes of work.

The Kings did take in 13 offensive rebounds of their own in 44 opportunities, a solid 29.5% offensive rebound rate. Thompson did most of the work there, with four in 21 minutes (approximate O-Reb rate of 20.7%).

TURNOVERS

Fourteen turnovers in a 95-possession game for the Kings -- a few too many. Cousins had three (one offensive foul, two travels) and Thompson two, again with both playing 21 minutes apiece; the rest were spread fairly evenly and non-alarmingly.

The Clippers had 13, which isn't terribly encouraging for the Kings defense considering Chris Kaman (22 minutes) and Jarron Collins (11 minutes) had three each. Just 11 fast-break points for the Kings.

FOUL-DRAWING

I have no clue how these teams ended up with 90 free throws between them. Sounds awful.

Cousins getting some whistles in his favor -- even if those whistles have Tourette's or something -- is encouraging.

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Still no technicals for the Kings.

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Halftime stat

2 assists and 13 turnovers. Atrocious.

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by section214 on Oct 8, 2010 7:41 AM PDT reply actions

Yeah.

Be thankful that it wasn’t televised.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 8, 2010 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions

I'm thankful.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 8, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions

Does that mean 10 assists and one turnover after the half?

Sounds pretty awesome.

by twasserm on Oct 8, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions

Yep -

Once the game was over and the Clips backed off a little, the Kings were much better.

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by section214 on Oct 8, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions

My silver lining

Still no technicals for the Kings.

Yeah, it’s not much. But with the number of fouls called on us, and the new NBA tech policy, I am a big believer in Cuz and JT, and even I was a little surprised to see it.

I actually look forward to the first rematch, when we have Beno and Tyreke playing, and the clip bigs have to deal with Sammy. I think we’ll have something to prove.

"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"

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by SavageBeast on Oct 8, 2010 7:47 AM PDT reply actions

Cuz averaging 5.5 fouls thru 2 games and JT only 4.0

So, maybe finally, JT won’t have the highest Foul rate in the league this year.

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by HighTops on Oct 8, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions

I was very angry that the game wasn’t shown on tv here in LA. But now, I’m very glad I didn’t have to watch that debacle.

by Kingsfan_born_in_LA on Oct 8, 2010 8:14 AM PDT via mobile reply actions

In the photo it looks like PW is pulling his eye lid down to force himself to watch.

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by HighTops on Oct 8, 2010 9:32 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs

Clockwork Orange

"Once again i still dont get it. We have the best backcourt in the league. 1 of the best front courts in the West. A nice bench. What team in the west cant we compete with besides the Lakers? What team in the west u guys can look at and say damn they’re much better than us? Seriously? Not being a homer at all." ~ J-Ridah's Golden State Warriors analysis.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 8, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions

Hilarious!

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by MustangMBS on Oct 8, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions

PW on the Rise Guys...

about Griffin: “I think he is a sure fire hall of famer”

Really?

Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.

by Shadrack on Oct 8, 2010 9:34 AM PDT reply actions

If he can stay healthy I don't doubt it

Same with Tyreke.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 8, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions

Wow... he looked that good.

Well, only because the Clips are in the Pacific, I hope he doesn’t

and Tyreke has at least one season under his belt… B.G has not even played a quarter in the regular season. Just seemed like extremly high praise.

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by Shadrack on Oct 8, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions

BG is the real deal

His spin move to the hoop was a unstoppable and his hang time on jumps is crazy. He has a good nose for the ball and jumped up several times, super quick, to grab and put back a rebound before anybody else even reacted. It was a surprise and shows he really deserved that #1 pick.

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by MustangMBS on Oct 8, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions

I'll repeat my comment from Aykis' thread

No Kings wing player made a basket until the end of the third quarter.

Blake Griffin shot 100% for the game.

Neither of those things are likely to happen again – ever.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 8, 2010 10:23 AM PDT reply actions

Anyone still doubting Beno's value?

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by lietothegirls on Oct 8, 2010 10:24 AM PDT reply actions

not really sure if he's "valuable" but at least he isn't an anchor

by wallywagon11 on Oct 8, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions

He dropped a triple Double on the Clips last year . . . .

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by lietothegirls on Oct 8, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions

And he actually knows how to handle the ball.

by LOUiECOG on Oct 8, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions

Alright.

So did Rafer Alston against Orlando, Terrence Williams against Chicago, and Steve Blake against the Lakers and I am pretty sure all those teams they were playing against were better.

Beno also was pretty bad on the defensive side of the ball the entire year. Not clowning on the guy, but it’s not hard to find a Beno type of impact player in the league so I would hardly call him valuable.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 8, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions

Really?

A back-up (we hope someday) combo guard who can be in the top 5 shooting % for guards, run your team, avg 5 assist as the 2nd distributing option, make few errors – that’s easy to find?

Sign me up, I’d like to see the list of available guys.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 8, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions

Well I certainly hope he is more valuable than most if not all the guys available at the moment

Considering all there is left is unrestricted free agents and maybe Chauncey Billups on the trading block, yeah I think Beno holds a lot of value in the “list of available guys.”

Beno is a darn good player and would certaintly be good enough to be in the rotation on pretty much every team in the league. How many teams could I see him starting on, I can’t think of many and I can also think of a few backups who would probably start over him here. I am not in a hurry to see him leave but no I don’t think he is particularly valuable. I would be very surprised if he is here past this contract and I can think of a ton of other point guards who could give similar production (and by that I mean overall offensive and defensive production, obviously if he is going to make top 5 in FG% every year only 4 other guys could do better). If he keeps up what he did last year, awesome.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 8, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions

As for starting

There are only a few you could ake the argument, Miinie, Charl, Port., NY, Houst, Philly, LA , Miami

Ok, the Argument could be made that based on last years stats there are quite a few eams he could start on, some of them playoff teams.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 8, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions

wow, spellcheck lttg

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by lietothegirls on Oct 8, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions

This isn't about being overpaid and I wish I was able to check stat websites

but pretty sure I would prefer Baron in LA, Miller in Portland, and definitely Brooks in Houston. To me, Felton and Udoh are about the same and, although I like Jrue’s potential (even though I just know he won’t be nearly as good as I think he will be), I would have to agree about Minnie, Charlotte, Philly, and Miami.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 8, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions

I should say though

basing the Felton one on the fact that I thought he was pretty darn solid on D but I can’t look it up at the moment

by wallywagon11 on Oct 8, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions

LA meaning the [redacted]

though Beno also does tend to outplay Davis head to head. Miller? I don’t know what you like about him. Brooks? A speedster, but does he produce better? Certainly not as good a shooter and also not a very good defender.

Factor in that a better team makes a PG’s stats better and . . . .

I think we sometimes underrate a player because a team is bad.

Anyway, I emphasized that you could make the argument, and I think most fair people would agree there’s one to made for a number of teams – even some good ones.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 8, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions

The Hawks, I forgot about the Hawks

another slam dunk there IMO – and another playoff team.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 8, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions

Alright a slam dunk 5 teams

Consider me not that impressed.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 8, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions

I reacted to this

not really sure if he’s “valuable” but at least he isn’t an anchor

and now you’ve admitted he might possibly start on 5 or 6 other teams, 3-4 of them playoff caliber teams.

I just think you overstated things a wee bit.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 8, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions

Kind of like...

…using a preseason blowout to make an inference of Beno’s value. ;)

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by otis29 on Oct 8, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions

seriously?

whatever

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by lietothegirls on Oct 8, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions

Just tweaking you a bit

But isn’t your original entry here an overstatement?

Anyone still doubting Beno’s value?

I mean, it’s preseason. They could have lost by 40 if he’d played, and they could have lost by 20.

It’s impossible to assume anything vis-a-vis Beno based on this game.

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by otis29 on Oct 8, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions

See "clipper killer" comment by Louie below

it’s been a truth.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 8, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions

So perhaps we should revise your comment to:

“Anyone still doubting Beno’s value against the Clippers?”

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by otis29 on Oct 8, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions

Alright then

but in youre reaction you said

He dropped a triple Double on the Clips last year . . .

which I would also argue is overstating things a wee bit (obviously he had a triple doube but to suggest he is valuable because he had one last year I don’t think makes a ton of sense)

Either way I already said

Beno also was pretty bad on the defensive side of the ball the entire year. Not clowning on the guy, but it’s not hard to find a Beno type of impact player in the league so I would hardly call him valuable.

Beno is a darn good player and would certaintly be good enough to be in the rotation on pretty much every team in the league. How many teams could I see him starting on, I can’t think of many and I can also think of a few backups who would probably start over him here.

If you think me saying I can see him starting on 5 teams runs counter with “I can’t think of many” then I would say you are just arguing over semantics.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 8, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions

It was about the block quoted comment above

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by lietothegirls on Oct 8, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions

Then why tell me about how "now you've admitted he might possibly start on 5 or 6 other teams?"

I think I already explained it. Essentially I don’t think a player is necessarily all that valuable if I can only see them starting on about 5 other teams and I see other bench players on other teams would I would prefer having. That’s it. If that is overstating things a “wee bit” then oh well.

Again, I think you are just arguing over semantics, essentially what is my definition of valuable.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 8, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions

If you don't think

being good enough to possibly start on 20% of NBA teams and being a key rotation guy on almost every roster qualifies as ‘valuable’ – well then I guess we don’t agree on the definition.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 8, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions

and that's fine

by wallywagon11 on Oct 8, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions

Beno

being good enough to possibly start on 20% of NBA teams and being a key rotation guy on almost every roster qualifies as ‘valuable’ – well then I guess we don’t agree on the definition.

Wow, talk about setting the bar low.

He apparently wasn’t considered good enough to be “a key rotation guy” on his country’s team and I think you’re overstating his value on numerous other rosters.

Basically you are saying that at most 25% of the players in the league are worst than him. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. That he’s one of our top 5 players shows how far we have to go to become a contender.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Oct 8, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions

wow, completely misquote me

I’m done with this.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 9, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions

Kind of hard to misquote you

when I repeat your quote.

I’ll just hammer home the point by repeating my last statement:

That Beno’s one of our top 5 players shows how far we have to go to become a contender.

Again, if he was a backup point guard playing the 8th or 9th most minutes on the team, that would mean we’d probably have a pretty strong team. That he’s going to start and play more than 30 minutes a game says we’re mediocre at best.

Which is not the worst thing in the world coming off two bad seasons. But let’s just try to be a little more realistic about the guys we’re bringing to the dance.

by NewEraKings on Oct 9, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions

Aaron Brooks?

Brooks? A speedster, but does he produce better? Certainly not as good a shooter and also not a very good defender.

The same guy who had 39.8% mark from downtown last year and led the league in 3P made and attempted?

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by Aykis16 on Oct 8, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions

He also averaged 19.6 PPG last year

Beno only really beats him in rebounding and steal rate.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 8, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions

Oh and two point FG%

But Beno beat almost everyone in that category for guards last year.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 8, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions

Beno was 38%, better earlier

Beno: 10.7 shot attempts, Brooks 16.2
Very close on assists and Beno was the secondary ballhandler.

You may not agree with the argument (I’m not sure I agree with the argument), but there’s an argument to made.

My point was refuting the “I’m not sure he’s valuable” statement.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 8, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions

that's great

but I will pick Brooks over Beno 7 days out of the week and twice on Sunday.

by wallywagon11 on Oct 8, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions

I'd rather have Beno than Brooks. Why?

Beno is much more proficient at the midrange game and that’s the perfect compliment to Reke.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 8, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions

Yep

The argument shouldn’t be who’s better necessarily, but who fits this team better.

In a vacuum though, I’d rather have Brooks.

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by otis29 on Oct 8, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions

"In a vacuum"

That sounds funny.

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by otis29 on Oct 8, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions

He might be small enough to fit

I guess it depends on the size of the vacuum.

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by MustangMBS on Oct 8, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions

Nothing is ever in a vacuum though. Real world always takes precedence.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 8, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions

You Marxist

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by MustangMBS on Oct 9, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions

Yeah. I'm bad that way.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 9, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions

The Trip-Dub of Beno's was against the Cavs lttg.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 8, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions

Yeah

He had 17 assists against the Clipps.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 8, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions

I wasn't arguing that he was tremendous against them.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 8, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions

I know that

I just know the 17 assist game is the one Lttg was thinking of.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 8, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions

True. Good point.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 8, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions

cool

I remember a great game but didn’t look it up.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 8, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions

Beno has had a lot of quality games against the Clipps.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 8, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions