Kings Links: Clippers Aftermath, Dalembert in Haiti
by Tom Ziller on Oct 8, 2010 10:17 AM PDT
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The Purple Panjandrum - Kings vs. Clippers- second half and post game comments
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Full Court Press - Postgame Quotes: Kings vs. Clippers
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CLIPPERS.com - Postgame Report: Clippers 120, Kings 88
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Clips Nation - Clippers 120 - Sacramento 88 - Pre-season
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TODAY Show - Samuel Dalembert in Haiti
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Quick Question for James
What was the question that Westphal just answered “Why?” to in the Post Game press conference?
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"Did you consider putting Tyreke back in the game in the 2nd half"
Something close to that.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Oct 8, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Makes sense
There really was no basketball sense in having Tyreke in since the game didn’t count for anything. Get an extended look at the other players.
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My crazy next door neighbor
speaks mumbling gibberish and I’m getting pretty fluent.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Oct 8, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Perfect translation.
Not exactly a great question. Coach’s patience is wearing a little thin the last couple of days. Everyone, including myself, are waiting for the second wind of training camp to kick in. It’s definitely a grind for these guys right now.
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-Ziller
yeah, it's kind of a reality check seeing the recaps and highlights:
“oh yeah, that Griffin kid is supposed to be pretty good, huh?”
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
by tomroadrunner on Oct 8, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Um, Landry "guarded" him, too
This is where you lose credibilty, blob. You’re an insightful person, but your penchant for trashing Thompson 100% of the time lessens the impact of your statements regarding him. At least it does for me, anyway.
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Easy there
If you say its name three times, it will appear.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
by otis29 on Oct 8, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh no, Blob has been infected by the CoolCat virus!
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
by MustangMBS on Oct 8, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I post to amuse myself
Not always to gain credibility. Besides, among those in the know, I have credibility to spare ;)
The other day I said I like JTs work ethic and garbage pail mentality, despite his modest skills. I hope he transforms into a legitimate baller. But there is little indication of that. I only criticize him 93.5% of the time, which seems about fair.
I don’t mean to single out JT for his shortcomings. I don’t like the shape DMC is in. Donte Greene was a player I ripped a lot, until he matured somewhat. I think Noccioni (along with JT) ruined the Kings season last year. I never understood the Ime Udoka sentiment either on this board. He was not very good. I don’t pledge blind allegiance to the players on the team I love. Players earn respect in my book based on an ability and desire to facilitate team success. This gives me more credibility than a fan who pledges blind allegiance.
And, ‘yes’, Landry’s defense probably sucked last night too.
I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year.
by bench_blob on Oct 8, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fair enough
Thompson earned my respect last year when he grabbed 8.5 boards a game, which would have placed him 11th amongst centers (just behind Brook Lopez) and 10th amongst power forwards (just behind Luis Scola). He grabbed the most rebounds by a King since Brad Miller in 2003-04.
Now, I’m not saying that JT is ever going to be an all star. Hell, he may never be a starter that can be secure in his job. But he likely will have a solid NBA career. And at $2.2 million this year and $3 million next year, he’s a freakin’ steal.
See, that’s not pledging blind allegiance. That’s stating plain fact. Try it. You may like it.
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I doubt it. Blob's a true contrarian.
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He is not a 'steal' if he doesn't help team success
His salary may be modest. But the last two seasons have been the worst combined win total in Sacramento King franchise history. And JT has been the one constant. That’s a plain fact. Try that. You may not like it.
I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year.
So then -
Tyreke is also not a steal? The notion that you can attach the wins and losses of this team directly to any one player is ludricrous, not to mention lazy and a cop out. Does this mean that Mark Madsen is a hall of famer because of his rings? Your statement is in fact not a fact that can be attributed to Thompson’s play, but a fact that can be attributed to the roster as a whole, of which Thompson has been 7% of at any given time.
Jesus, blob, if this is your true take, then I’m out. I have respect for you as an individual, but the statement is so idiotic, it is practically indefensible, and absoulutely not worth spending any more of my time on. Peace out.
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If you resort to salary
as justification for players value, you are reaching. JT got schooled by a rookie last night playing his 10th NBA game, or thereabouts. JT has played 200+. I stated after Suns game lets hold off on the heaping praise until he performs well against a real front court. Chris Kaman and Blake Griffin are the real deal. And JT failed the test, unfortunately. I don’t expect JT to dominate. But he performed very ineffectively.
Look, when a player is on the floor extensively, numbers are going to coming their way. It is inevitable. JT has been recipient of playing time because there have been no better options. That is about to change. JT has not proven anything in two years other than he is a chronic fouler, he has extremely limited low post game, and does just as many negative things on the court as positive. Thats not a winning formula. Let’s hope for better.
I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year.
I swore that I wouldn't bite, but...
Amir Johnson just received a 5 yr., $32 million contract. Channing Frye got 5 years and $32 million. Tyrus Thomas got $40 million over 5 years. If that is the market, then Thompson is a screaming value.
The 2nd year rookie that schooled Thompson (and Landry…you manage to continue to forget Landry) was the #1 pick in last year’s draft. I suppose that Steve Nash should have retired when he was schooled by rookie Tyreke Evans last year. Or Gilbert Arenas. I suppose Bogut should have hung ’em up after Evans blew by him in Milwaukee.
Here are the last ten #12 picks from the NBA draft (excluding this year): Gerald Henderson, JT, Thaddeus Young, Hilton Armstrong, Yarosla Korolev, Robert Swift, Nick Collison, Melvin Ely, Vlad Radmanovic, Etan Thomas. JT stacks up pretty nicely amongst this crowd, probably behind Young and on a par with Radmanovich and Collison, ahead of everyone else.
Also, his rebounds are not merely a result of his minutes, as he is top 15 at either position in rebounding rate, on a par with guys like Kendrick Perkins and Chris Kaman (pesky facts, they’re always getting in the way).
You don’t like JT. Fine. Cool. I just didn’t realize until now that your distaste for him is so strong that you would resort to hyperbole. That’s your right, I suppose. Just as it is my right to call you on it.
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There is no logic to his hatred of Thompson Section.
Reasoning is useless.
The world is not your Trade Machine.
-Ziller
No worries gentlemen, I am out the door, thanks for the debate...
I respect your opinion, even if disproportionate to mine. Love the passion and devotion of diehard Kings fans! And yet if you have mad love for JT and expect the unexpected in the season ahead, all I can say is:
Good luck.
I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year.
Yep -
Now, I’m not saying that JT is ever going to be an all star. Hell, he may never be a starter that can be secure in his job. But he likely will have a solid NBA career.
I’m just crazy with the disproportianate mad love and devotion. Hy-per-bo-le.
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I feel a guilty sense of pleasure from this exchange,
like one of those kids on the playground chanting; “fight-fight-fight-fight”.
/dials shrink
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
Ha-ha
I think I had Section in a headlock at one point, but he squirmed free and delivered the Atomic Wedgie. Thats gonna leave a mark!
But thats OK, here comes the Purple Nurple to put him down for the count.
Allow me to break this down succinctly. The past is the past. I don’t dwell on it. Lets most forward. But for a moment looking back will serve a purpose.
My contention is that JT has been a below average player on a bad team. But it is not personal. I don’t dislike the guy. I am sure he is a great guy. I would let him baby sit my kids, if I had any. I would let him walk my dog, if I owned one. I would let him mow my lawn, if I didn’t live in a condo.
OK, not the best examples lol… I would buy him a beer if I ran into him in a bar, but only during happy hour pricing.
Now to the facts. If you want to disagree, you will have to argue against the hard cold data.
The average PER in the NBA is 15.00.
JT’s PER in two seasons is 14.28 (13.96 and 14.60). PER is regarded as the foremost statistic on player effectiveness. JT has underperformed relative to the average NBA player on two bad teams. So by statistical measure, exclusive of my opinion, JT has been a below average player on a bad team.
Throw Kevin Durant into the analysis during OKCs 20 and 23 win seasons, his PER was 18.36 (15.87 and 20.85). He outperformed the norm on two bad teams, showed significant improvement as player from rookie to second year, i.e. PER revealed the obvious; despite losing often KD was part of the solution not part of the problem.
As far as Carl Landry, his PER in three seasons is 19.39 (21.41, 17.73 and 19.02).
So an average player scores a PER of 15.00. JT falls below this baseline at 14.28. Carl plots well above it at 19.39. Granted, PER is imperfect measure of value, as it excludes intangibles and defensive efficiency, and rewards effectiveness in limited minutes (as seen in Carl’s rookie year), but it is starkly revealing nonetheless. Given the disparity in numbers, more than 5 points between Carl and JT, it is impossible to conclude that JT can help a team win more so Carl.
It is further inconclusive if JT can help a team win at all. That is not say he can’t; it is to say he hasn’t so far. And certainly if you had never seen Landry or JT play, and were to chose one player based on past merits, particularly PER, you would be hard pressed to rationally justify a selection of JT over Carl.
If you want to say JT will be instrumental to a playoff run, can be reliable rotational contributor, and can be a vital component to contender, I respect your devotion as a fan, but the relative and absolute numbers contradict your convictions.
I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year.
So
he’s not as good as Carl Landry at PER rating. I’d still rather have him for defense and rebounding…
And he’s definitely not as good as Durant. Gotcha.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Oct 9, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Rebounding is quantified
in PER rating. Defense is not, less blocked shots and steals.
JT is a solid post defender. But he negates this ability by excessively fouling and offering little in the way of help defense.
I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year.
Maybe we can see what he does his 3rd year
before writing off his career.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Oct 9, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Plug in his PER in comparison to other C's and PF's
and I’ll listen. Comparing him to PG’s is a waste of time. My bet is that he lands somewhere in the middle. Not an all star by any means, but certainly effective enough to be undeserving of your vitriol.
Next ,compare his PER to all of the 1st and 2nd year PF’s and C’s. Again (and without looking), my bet is that he stacks up favorably, at least enough to be considered a solid contributor.
I have the advantage in this conversation, blob. I really don’t care about JT one way or the other, while you loathe him. It allows me a level of objectivity that you cannot attain. You’re just too emotionally involved in (a) not liking JT, and (b) trying to win an argument. Because it’s not a matter of me saying that JT is great while you say he sucks. It is a matter of me saying that JT does not suck, while you think that he does. And I think that the stats show that he indeed does not suck.
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I don't loathe anyone
except a former ex-boss a year ago, but all is forgiven.
And to say you don’t care about JT one way or the other is disingenuous. Of course you want to see him do well. I do too.
Lets enjoy the season. We can revisit this debate another time.
I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year.
One failing of your numbers is the use of 15 as the average
While 15.0 might be the theoretical average intended for Pers the actual averages are quite different. Last season the average PERs of all Power Forwards in the NBA was 13.9, and the average of all Centers in the NBA was 12.6.
Also, I believe that I once saw a scale describing the talent along the scale. And, I believe 15 wasn’t average but a solid NBA talent, and 14 was somewhere in the solid role player. The low end of the scale was around 12 and that was discribed as an end of the bench 12th man.
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Good Point
This further makes the claim for Carl Landry as a superior talent, under appreciated by posters on StR.
Here is the data I referenced:
PER strives to measure a player’s per-minute performance, while adjusting for pace. A league-average PER is always 15.00, which permits comparisons of player performance across seasons.
Hollinger has set up PER so that the league average, every season, is 15.00, which produces sort of a handy reference guide:
A Year For the Ages: 35.0
Runaway MVP Candidate: 30.0
Strong MVP Candidate: 27.5
Weak MVP Candidate: 25.0
Bona fide All-Star: 22.5
Borderline All-Star: 20.0
Solid 2nd option: 18.0
3rd Banana: 16.5
Pretty good player: 15.0
In the rotation: 13.0
Scrounging for minutes: 11.0
Definitely renting: 9.0
The Next Stop: DLeague 5.0
I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year.
I didn't know this was a debate of whether Carl was better than JT.
I thought it was about if JT was a good PF.
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by caseycheesecake on Oct 9, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Follow-Up
Here is the PER data I complied. I was interested in where JT/Carl/Sammy stack up against starting PF/Cs in the Western Conference, since this is our primary competition.
Summary:
The average PER among PFs is 17.91
The average PER among Cs is 17.65.
On the starting PF side, JT ranked 15 out of 17, ahead of only Jeff Green and Antonio McDyess (age 36). Dice is the projected Spurs starter, but DeJuan Blair (17.79) could move into that role too. Blake Griffin is not included for obvious reasons, but he will likely eschew the PER rating higher for this group.
On the center side, JT ranked 11 out of 14, ahead of only Darko Milicic, Nenad Krstic and Andres Biedrins. While Biedrins had an awful season last year (13.03 PER), his PER the previous two years was over 19.
Sammy D ranks 7th among Cs. Top Hat ranks 6th among PFs.
Note: The reason there is a few more PFs is because on a couple teams there was a toss-up as to the projected starter, so I included both.
Western Conference PFs
1. DIRK NOWITZKI, Mavs PF 23.01
2. PAU GASOL, Lakers PF 22.97
3. DAVID LEE, PF – Warriors 22.28
4. ZACH RANDOLPH, PF – Grizzlies 21.21
5. KEVIN LOVE, PF – Wolves 20.72
6. CARL LANDRY, PF 19.02
7. DAVID WEST, PF – Hornets 18.99
8. DeJuan Blair - Spurs F 17.79
9. LUIS SCOLA, PF – Rockets 17.22
10. AL HARRINGTON, PF – Nuggets 16.82
11. PAUL MILLSAP, PF – Jazz 16.73
12. Chris Kaman - Clippers C 16.59
13. SERGE IBAKA, PF – Thunder 15.28
14. Channing Frye - Suns PF 15.09
15. JASON THOMPSON, C/PF – Kings 14.6
16. JEFF GREEN, PF – Thunder 13.82
17. ANTONIO McDYESS, PF – Spurs 12.29
Blake Griffin – PF Clippers (No data)
Average 17.91
Western Conference Centers
1. TIM DUNCAN, C – Spurs 24.79
2. GREG ODEN, C – Blazers 23.14
3. YAO MING, C – Rockets (Two years ago) 22.74
4. MARC GASOL, C – Grizzlies 19.3
5. AL JEFFERSON, C – Jazz 19.03
6. Robin Lopez - Suns C 17.66
7. SAMUEL DALEMBERT, Kings, C 16.84
8. Chris Kaman - Clippers C 16.59
9. EMEKA OKAFOR, C – Hornets 16.53
10. BRENDAN HAYWOOD, C 16.17
11. JASON THOMPSON, C/PF – Kings 14.6
12. NENAD KRSTIC, C – Thunder 13.77
13. ANDRIS BIEDRINS, C Warriors (previous two years over 19) 13.03
14. DARKO MILICIC, C – Wolves 12.89
Average 17.65
I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year.
So -
He falls between Jeff Green and Channing Frye, and between Brendan Haywood and Nenad Krstic. Four guys that are not bums, and four guys that combine to average about $5.5 million in salary. Three guys that have more pro experience, and two guys that were selected earlier in their drafts than JT.
Thanks for settling this once and for all and proving my point – that he is not a bum and does not deserve the constant and unbalanced level of disdain that you heap upon him.
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by section214 on Oct 10, 2010 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Again -
to turn to salary to justify a players relative value is a reach. This is about wins/losses, not the profit in the owners pocket. Paying $1 is overpaying IMO if a players performance leads a team to nowhere.
And to refer to a players draft slot is reaching further. DeJuan Blair, Robin Lopez, David Lee, Zack Randolph, Carl Landry, I could go on, are all non-lottery picks with higher PERs than JT.
And your words…
Plug in his PER in comparison to other C’s and PF’s and I’ll listen. Comparing him to PG’s is a waste of time. My bet is that he lands somewhere in the middle
Simply incorrect.
JT ranked 26 out of 31 PFs/Cs in the Western conference playing significant roles on their teams. That is not middle. That is bottom. Thats bottom 20% percentile.
Average PER across the league for all players is 15.0. But average PER for a player playing JTs positions and extended minutes is 17.80. High Tops asserted one of the “failings” of my post was 15.0 was too high as point of reference. Actually, 15.0 was too low.
These lists justify my criticism of JTs game to have an objective basis and unequivocal statistical merit, and not personally bias, not a personal loathing, not personal disdain, and other silliness ascribed to me by you and others.
You stated above that you have an advantage over me of some sort. In reality I feel I may have an advantage of broader perspective. I live in San Diego. I subscribe to NBA League Pass to watch all Kings games for many years. I have the opportunity to keep tabs on the entire league, and to observe all NBA players and evaluate relative strengths. I certainly don’t claim to know it all or to be always be right, as a obviously a fan can know a lot about the league without League Pass, but I feel seeing most every team regularly has broadened by knowledge and analytical aptitude of players more so than if I had season tickets to one team, the local sports station and ESPN.
I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year.
Please don't drag me back into this
I simply pointed out that 15 isn’t the actual average of all PF’s or Centers in the league. You turned that around and made it Starters.
But, using your own list JT’s 14.6 is somewhere between a rotation player and a ‘pretty good player’. Which by your own list doesn’t make him a bum.
Looking at Western Conference Centers, JT ranges 17th. Which while not quite starters numbers, is close and certainly qualified as the 1st Center off the bench for a lot of teams.
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Whatever, dude (or dudette)
My simple statement was and is that JT does not suck as you imply, and that you seem to have a bias against him. I have seen you provide absoulutely nothing to change my mind. Even by your measurement, he does not suck. He is certainly on the lower end of overall starter productivity, but he still lands very comfortably within the confines of serviceable pro and contributor, which is where I have stated he belongs.
And your dogged pursuit in this matter just further shows to what lengths you will attempt to go to attempt to try to prove that Thompson sucks. Again, and for emphasis, I have never said that JT is an upper tier player. What I have said is that he is an above average rebounder (by game average or rate), and that he will likely have a long NBA career, making contributions along the way.
Keep on hatin’ on JT, blob. It’s your right. And you don’t have to justify it to yourself. I just don’t think that you’ve been able to justify it to anyone else. I’ll let you have the last word if you like – you’ve been so unable to make your case, it’s the least I can do.
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When the season ended
I stated repeatedly the Kings desperately needed to add speed to the second unit in form of PG who provide tempo change and dynamic dimension. While the Kings did not sign Nate Robinson as I advocated, because the Maloofs pocketbook was closed, they did sign Pooh Jetter. And early indications are he will be getting rotation minutes to provide influx of speed. My assessment of team need coincided with Petrie’s actions.
I predicted the Top 5 picks of the NBA draft a week before its occurrence, and guaranteed DMC would be a King, and was derided by a few StRs (not you) for saying so.
I posted LeBron James would go to the Heat before he announced His Decision. I stated the Martin-Reke backcourt was an unmitigated disaster when StR consensus was to let the season play out. I have defended Beno since Day 1 for his ability to create his own shot, handle and pass when others want him traded for a 2nd round pick. He responded last year with 3rd best FG% among all NBA guards.
By any fair measure I have a track record of credibility. And none of it is owed to an emotional bias. I am far from a moron when it comes to this. I know my shit. Being right about JT will be just another feather in my forecasting cap.
I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year.
Just curious
What is it that you will be right about?
I read through stuff and just want to make sure it is clear. Seems like lots more than JT is discussed.
All I get it that you say he isn’t good enough… Is that what you are going to be right about? Is that the forecast?
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
My point on Durant wasn't to compare him to JT (which is obviously ludicrous)
It was to show how ridiculous it is to blame the Kings losing record on one player.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
As a sidenote
you have inspired me to get a shorter sig line
I predict JT will never breath through his nose.
It's a plain fact, and it means nothing
Kevin Durant was the leading scorer on a team that won 20 and 23 games in consecutive seasons.
Correlation does not equal causation…unless you have an irrational dislike for someone I suppose.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Solid NBA career
usually never stays on the same team his whole career too though
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Oct 8, 2010 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Nobody could stop Griffin.
Not one person had any success.
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And that dunk was something that only a small number of NBA players could have accomplished.
Without ever playing against Griffin before, I thought Thompson did an ok job. They were on the floor together for about 10 minutes total. In those minutes, Thompson had 2 points, 3 rebounds and 1 assist while Griffin had 6 points and 4 rebounds. During their time together Thompson picked up 3 fouls. 1 came on a ticky-tack screen call (offensive), one came on a drive by Eric Gordon (defensive) and the last came on a very poor call by an official when Thompson beat Griffin to the baseline with the dribble and Griffi flopped and got the call (offensive).
Griffin is a top tier talent for sure. He has the athleticism of a Chris Anderson or Stromile Swift but the skill of an elite power forward. If you take away the unbelievable put back, that leaves Griffin at 4 points and 3 rebounds against Thompson. No one could have expected that Griifin could get to that ball and dunk it. Next time, Thompson will know that Griffin is capable of doing that and hopefully make the necessary adjustments.
The world is not your Trade Machine.
-Ziller
And like I said in my recap
Thompson particularly did a nice job contesting Griffin’s shots, but Griffin’s ridiculous body control and hangtime allowed him to stay with it and get it in the basket. Some player’s are just blessed with physical talent. Griffin is definitely one of them.
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It would be suprising if Blake Griffin isn't voted to The All Stars this year.
Those games are made for players just like him, explosive, high leaping, and fun to watch. It looks like he is going to be an A++ defender too, listening to the the game it sounded like he was blocking Landry and Cousins quite often.
Rookie all star, yes
He’ll have to beat out the likes of Dirk, Yao, Kaman, Pau, M. Gasol, Randolph, West, Aldridge, Duncan, Jefferson, Lee, Oden and Okafor for one of the five or six front line spots on the West All Star team.
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I was going to make that list but . . .
well, I guess he’s worth educating (?)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Oct 8, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Its fan voted so..
I doubt Randolph will make it over Stoudemire, Ming will be in the hospital, and I think he as a chance of beating West, Aldridge, M. Gasol, Lee, Jefferson, Kaman, Oden, and Okafor.
It might not happen this year but, baring injury, he is pretty much a lock for future All Stars.
No doubt about his chances in the future
And Stoudemire is in the east now, by the way. And I suppose that anything is possible, as long as well informed fans are doing the voting (note sarcasm).
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1 Billion chinese
will make sure Yao gets the votes anyway
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Oct 9, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
informed Jewish fans of the world unite
and help me to get Omri into the All-Star game.
It’s a mitsvah!
Dunking Dutchman
He had 1 block for the game Marcus C.
So if byquite often of two different players you meant once, then you are correct.
The world is not your Trade Machine.
-Ziller
There must of been fouls or violations occuring at the same time because I know
the radio announcer said that he blocked Cousins and Landrys shot. Some of the others I think did occur with a foul and were nullified.
Thanks, Tom
I appreciate the kind words, as always.
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Some really good stuff
on ‘When Kingdom Come’, I’m sorry I haven’t been there before.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Oct 8, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's a heads up
My AT&T Uverse cable guide says that they will be airing the 10/19 Kings-Clippers game on 10/20. It’s not real time but at least you might be able to watch the game.
"Live Long and Prosper." - Spock
Its not clear but I think NBAtv might play it
Actually, I just checked and now its showing that it will be playing on NBAtv at 7:30 pm
Real Time!
Fanshot coming
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Oct 8, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this should have it's own post
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-cousinskings100810
sorry i don’t know how to make a link
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Oct 8, 2010 8:48 PM PDT reply actions
And the Clips just lost to 40 to Golden State
By my calculations, this means we’ll beat the Warriors by about 50, and they’ll come back on Tuesday to beat us by 60.
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by Aykis16 on Oct 8, 2010 10:18 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Kaman didn't play and Jordan started at Center.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Dang,
Blake Griffin manhandled David Lee and the Warriors on Friday, scoring 23 points on 10-of-15 shooting with nine rebounds, four assists, two steals, and a block in just 24 minutes on a back to back. It looks like somone spent their time getting in shape and refining their moves instead of getting all tatted up believing they were already the shi*.
the bench-blob debate
Just read that exchange between you and bench blog. HOLY S*&T was he clueless.. it reminded me of that time last season when I said that Kevin Martin will probably be traded shortly after he returns from injury.. and Aykis16 called me a moronic douche bag.. that there is no way Kevin was getting traded…
…. Im just sayin!
Put that in your juice box and suck it
Guess I was wrong on one front.
Aykis16 called me a moronic douche bag.. that there is no way Kevin was getting traded…
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That is two things
You were really just wrong about one.
that there is no way Kevin was getting traded…
As the post above would indicate you might be right about the other one. Though I guess it might be worth the benefit of the doubt.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
The Kings will be a mediocre team with all players healthy
If 1 or 2 key members are out: game over. A full squad against the Clippers and we would be fine. If we get to 30 wins this year it will be because Omri and Donte have HUGE seasons this year.
Ba-da
really mustang?
I mean, It’s funny.. but not clever… You would have been better served pulling out a calssic like “Im rubber, your glue, whatever you say bounces off of me, and sticks too you!” :) I really don’t care..
I just think it’s funny that up until now, this is the first time Aykis has acknowledged that he was dead wrong about Martin.
Actually Ayk.. I got nothing against ya..never met ya, always enjoyed what you have writen, whether I agreed or not.. this site usually has some funny stuff to go along with a passion for a team that I have followed religiously since I was a boy… It’s just unfortunate that one of the first comments I ever made on here (one of the first, there were probably a couple before), got met with some pretty harsh words and name calling by you.. leaves a sour taste in ones mouth, when really, this is a community of like minded people who have a love for one team, and come here to toss around ideas, thoughts, observations, etc.. thats all.
Cheers to Sunday
Put that in your juice box and suck it
Learn to use the reply button, maroon
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
I've mentioned that I was dead wrong about Martin several times
As were about 80% of other members of the site. And at the time, a lot of us were really fed up with the trade Kevin Martin fanposts.
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Count to 10, and then move on. It works for me.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
I just closed the browser as soon as possible or navigate to a different page
Maybe counting to 10 is a better idea
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
OK, the benefit of the doubt may no longer be required
It wasn’t Aykis that called you a douche at all. It was 27 freethrows following your post about Martin being showcased. That was on January 15th and then Aykis called 27freethrows a douche the next day.
I search the database and could not find where Aykis called you a douche. So, what you are saying is Grade A bullshit. It is untrue and completely wrong. Eat crow because it looks like you may be the douche here. I mean if this isn’t true and yet you made these comments then you really are a piece of work.
Put up, a link to the comments where Aykis called you a douche, or shut up.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
oh
well, in that case.. take all of that..and direct it towards 27freethrows…, and my apologies Aykis.. Thanks for doing the nerd work Mustang.
Put that in your juice box and suck it
by ianeriley on Oct 10, 2010 3:32 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
"r" "e" "p" "l" "y"
I think everyone may take you seriously if you start to handle basic communication on this message board.
It’s that word, sneakily sitting at the bottom of every person’s post – usually between the “up” and “actions” links.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
You are welcome. Nice backhanded compliment.
Aykis is just too good of a guy and I did not believe what you were saying. I mean you would have had to done something pretty damned egregious for that to be true.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
dude
Nobody likes to be the a-hole..and for some reason, I had his name in the back of my mind.. It had left a sour taste in my mouth, because, I was relatively new to posting on the site, and, for whatever reason, Aykis name stuck in my head.. was 27freethrows at one time, a moderator, or ast. editor on this site? Anyway.. My bad for calling out the wrong person! And as such, in my few posts on the game thread, I self punished myself by starting every post with ‘i am a douchebag and deserve a day of public humilliation’..
Put that in your juice box and suck it
Well a couple of those should do the trick. I mean it was two posts out of five.
I do understand and am sure that Aykis appreciates that the facts were straightened out. 27freethrows was not a moderator or anything, but getting on at first can be a bit confusing.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
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