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Kings Lose to Wolves 98-89

The Kings dropped their third straight game at home, this one by far the worst. Minnesota came in and rode Michael Beasley (42 points) to victory, knocking Sacramento down a few pegs en route to a 98-89 win. Tyreke Evans fouled out early in the fourth quarter and finished with five points and nine assists. Carl Landry scored four points in 20 minutes. DeMarcus Cousins played a season-low 14 minutes off the bench, producing seven points and six boards. No one could slow Beasley, not Omri Casspi, not Jason Thompson, not Donte Greene (who saw four minutes of first-quarter action).

That was an ugly loss, and the Kings need to realize that if they don't play hard on every possession, they could be the worst team in the league.

More later.

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by MustangMBS on Nov 11, 2010 6:15 AM PST reply actions  

I'm tempted

To let this game sit on my DVR unwatched. At least until we have another win to mitigate the hopelessness this loss seems to have generated.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 11, 2010 6:41 AM PST reply actions  

I think that might be a good call.

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by Christina_J on Nov 11, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

What happened to TZ's positive take on the game?

Must be coming………………….later

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by Bluejohn on Nov 11, 2010 6:41 AM PST reply actions  

Expectations this team would improve fading

Kings appear to be working out issues that should have been resolved in preseason.

by kman949 on Nov 11, 2010 6:55 AM PST reply actions  

Beasley

Doesn’t look so bad anymore now does he? Could have had him for nothing. Nobody on our team can do what he did last night, and to think, hardly anybody thought he was worth the risk. He just destroyed us.

by TTown Kings on Nov 11, 2010 7:57 AM PST reply actions  

Honestly I thought that was far and away the steal of the offseason.

by chri5 on Nov 11, 2010 8:00 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree

I couldn’t believe that the wolves got him for nothing.

by KingsFan on Nov 11, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Beasley is incredibly streaky from outside

Last night, he hit his shots. A lot of them too. He was taking the shots you wanted him to take, he was just nailing them each time. I have no problem with letting Minnesota try to beat you with Beasley. I was more displeased wth our offense and rotations.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 11, 2010 8:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Beasley was an excellent risk for the Wolves.

But for the Kings? Not a chance in hell. He really isn’t a player the Kings need and he isn’t a star.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2010 8:20 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah because

we absolutely don’t need players that can put up 42 points in a game. you’re right, he isn’t a star. BUT he’s 22. From what I saw last night he sure has a chance to be.

by TTown Kings on Nov 11, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah the Kings don't need guys who can put up 42 points a night and score 6 other nights. They really don't in fact need that.

Thanks for agreeing with me TT.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Beasley has a chance to be the man in Minny

So he could develop into something decent.

Here, he’d just be another pretty good player that Westphal wouldn’t know how to use. Tyreke wouldn’t throw him the ball, either, and Westphal would probably bench him after two bad games to show him who’s really the boss.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Nov 12, 2010 7:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah Beasley would be the stopper the Kings are actually missing at the SF spot.

My bad, what was I thinking?

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by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2010 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Sho nuff Wally!

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by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2010 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I was on the Beasley bandwagon last year

But dropping the “I told you so” card after one good game (against, let’s face it, a very poor defense) is bad form IMO.

If Beasley consistently performs to this level during the season, you can probably crow a bit. But until then, there’s no proof he isn’t the same inconsistent player he’s been in the past.

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by otis29 on Nov 11, 2010 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

This is true of the "I told you Al Jefferson was going to be good" people too.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

But Al Jefferson HAS proven himself to be a very good player in past years,

Beasley hasn’t. Jefferson playing well in Utah shouldn’t come as unexpected.

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by tomroadrunner on Nov 11, 2010 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah. Good player. Noted.

(Runs away laughing hysterically………….)

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by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

You're seriously going to make the argument that Al Jefferson isn't a quality big man?

I’m not saying that he is elite, due to the defensive weaknesses he has, but is he not a solid big man?

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by tomroadrunner on Nov 11, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Glad he ain't on my team.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

That's not what I asked though pook.

I’m not touting a Jefferson trade, I’m saying that he is a quality player, and that it’s not weird to hear someone say that he is a good player. Not a controversial thought in my book.

Sorry, I’m a bit tenacious when I’ve got a bone to pick ;P

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by tomroadrunner on Nov 12, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Not bothered by your tenaciousness if in fact that's what it is.

My bone to pick is that Al Jefferson IS a quality player. He does one thing well, and that’s upfaking with the ball. Everything else? Meh, I’m not fond of.

Dude’s reputation far exceeds his talent IMO.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

One person on the Kings can do that

Geoff Petrie. Dropped more than 42 points in a game on 5 separate occasions.

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by Exhibit G on Nov 11, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd because logic isn't automatically replacable.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Well said.

And unfortunately, all too true.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Nov 12, 2010 7:44 AM PST up reply actions  

He doesn't look any better

Beasley is shooting 44% from the field. The same as he did last season. And, the only reason his point average is up, is because he’s shooting 42% compared to last seasons 28%. How good was he last season, well he needed to take 13.3 FGA to score 14.8 pts. And, this year he’s shooting 15 shots to average 18pts.

Never, never, ever judge a players value based on how he plays against the Kings. The Kings are 0.7% behind the Suns for the worst Def Efficiency in the NBA, and have a rating of 108 per cent.

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by HighTops on Nov 11, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

To make sure it doesn't have a marijuana plant anywhere on it.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Still one of the all-time great "backhanded endorsements" I've ever seen:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/23/david-kahn-michael-beasle_n_657351.html

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by otis29 on Nov 11, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

The Kings have a history of letting certain players abuse them. For a while there I was afraid

even Darko would blow up. Westphal needs to rethink some things before this trend gains momentum. I still think JT and Donte should play together. Last night the team had no rhythm. Substitutions seemed dictated more by a wet finger than by sound strategy. Although I have to say that I agree with Westphal per his postgame comments about inserting ‘Reke with five fouls. He basically has fouled out if you don’t play him so why not put him in when you are desperate and let him do what he is gifted at. Alas, ’twas not to be…

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by Natomaser on Nov 11, 2010 8:15 AM PST reply actions  

The team isn't having any fun playing right now

which made the last two games no fun to watch.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2010 8:20 AM PST reply actions  

rec'd for insight

good call that. A lot of going through the motions. A lot of confusion. A lot of blank looks.

The team isn’t having any fun playing right now
Unfortunately, they are at home and playing the lower half of NBA competition. If this ain’t fun, whoa be what lurks ahead.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 11, 2010 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Would you say that

if they aren’t having fun, they aren’t happy?

because it’s not the coach’s job to keep players happy, as per PW, so they have to figure that one out for themselves…

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by RikSmits on Nov 11, 2010 8:28 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Giving them well defined roles

and expectations, a consistent offense to run, and a defensive philosophy other than lets try every individual player on their hottest shooter might perk the players moods up a bit.

by MichaelMack on Nov 11, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah.

And it should also have been woe (sorrow) instead of whoa (stop, horse!)

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by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 11, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Cousins

needs those minutes so badly. And he needs them in situations where he is free to not worry about his foul situation. Last night was one of those nights. I think Westphal was really going for the win (didn’t want to lose to Minny at home), and didn’t think he had the best chance of that with Cousins in the game. At this point, I give DeMarcus the minutes and live with the results – but of course, I don’t know what pressures Westphal’s bosses may be putting on him.

by DustyG on Nov 11, 2010 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I haven't gone back to look at the statistics yet,

but it seemed at the time that whenever Dalembert left the game the Wolves were able to extend their lead. I totally agree that DMC needs consistent minutes, but strictly from the perspective of “let’s win this game that we’re playing tonight,” he didn’t appear to be getting it done.

That said, props to both Dalembert and Cousins for being fired up- Dally’s “safe” sign to the crowd after blocks was amazing live, and I loved how upset with himself DMC looked after throwing the ball to Luther Head’s feet on the failed breakaway.

by lead_pipe on Nov 11, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I think

DMC and Dally played side by side for quite a few of DMC’s minutes last night. His per minute production was great , and his plus-minus was decent (-1, Dally -6, JT -5). He turned it over 4 times, tho, which I think may have been the problem. Still, even considering the possessions he gave away, a plus-minus of -1 would suggest that he wasnt losing the game for us.

by DustyG on Nov 11, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Well said.

I am baffled and frustrated by what I saw. Rec’d

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by MustangMBS on Nov 11, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I think PW has sold himself on one strategy

Insert the defensive stopper. So, if Omri is getting beat, Pull him and go to the bench, and find someone who won’t get beat. And, If that doesn’t work, then he needs to go to the backup plan. Which of course, is play Dalembert as the goalie for as long as you can.

There has been a lot of ridicule directed Rambis’ way. But, he did what PW has never done. He came up with a defensive scheme to stop Tyreke. PW on the other hand, keeps looking to the same 12 players hoping to find a stopper, and it isn’t there. He did it last year until some of the players complained to the press, and we wrote it off because of all the injuries. But, we’re healthy now, and he’s still doing it.

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by HighTops on Nov 11, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions   4 recs

That was perfectly said

and was what I was screaming at my television last night. PW seems like he is coaching at a college or hs level, where he expects one player to dominate (Tyreke on offense, Dally or whoever is guarding their best option), and is losing the idea of team defense. He is relying on individual talents way to much, and I think that shows whenever we have a end of the quarter offensive set, or even plays coming out of time outs.

by MichaelMack on Nov 11, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

About Rambis

There is a lot I do not like about him, but I’ll give him one thing. He is implementing a system and sticking with it. The players know what to expect and do in that regard, and it allows them to grow into their roles. They know they´ll have a rough time learning it, and collect many losses, but in the end they can only improve.

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by RikSmits on Nov 11, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

It was the wolves strategy that won the game

They totally shut down Tyreke with a zone. Every time Tyreke got to the three point line he had three defenders on him. Their strategy was simple. Make Tyreke pass the ball. The others won’t be able to beat them.

PW and Tyreke need to go back to the drawing board.

by KingsFan on Nov 11, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

This is very overrated.

You tailor your system to your players talents. This isn’t college; it’s the NBA.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

never heard about drafting, free agents and trades?

Building a team around players can be problematic: they get injured or leave. Ask the Cavs and Rockets.

And PW has no discernable system, nor does he seems to get the best out of the most of his players. He seems purely reactive.

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by RikSmits on Nov 11, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah the Rockets and Cavs were so stupid to build around Yao Ming and LeBron James. Completely flawed thinking to build a team around irreplacable talent.

What were these stupendous teams doing when they didn’t expect a traitor (LBJ) or a chronically injured big (Yao) in their midsts! Idiots they all be!

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by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

HT, or someone else who knows about things,

what was the strategy Minnesota used to contain Tyreke? I saw some doubles at the three-point line, but what really struck me was that whenever he drove into the paint he was forced to stop by a pocket of Wolves. I’m used to him doing that he does, the one where he somehow splits 3 defenders and banks a layup off the glass. Last night he appeared to have nowhere to go on almost every drive. What was it that they did that others generally haven’t?

by lead_pipe on Nov 11, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

HT may know more, lord knows I am no expert

But, that said, I bet they watched a ton of tape and figured out his angles. He angles in off of defenders and they did more than just collapse on him, which they did do, but they also collapsed and layered defenders at angles he could not get around. That is just what I saw.

They were also crafty because they used their quicker players on the inside because they could set their feet fast enough in front of him. Bigs usually can’t do that and once I saw a guard fake him then stay set to draw the charge.

I am sure others can draw more conclusions. I can’t bring myself to watch the game again, but I bet other teams are doing that right now.

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by MustangMBS on Nov 11, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with most all of your post.

I still think the Kings are as fun as last year, but aside from that I’m right with you.

The thing I become more convinced of EVERY game is that we need to shop JT. We simply don’t need him and he has trade-able value (I think) as opposed to Jackson. I’m a BIG Darnell Jackson fan. He is absurdly productive in limited minutes, and simply LOOKS at ease. He never looks nervous or overwhelmed which I feel JT STILL appears to be. He provides the same role albeit more efficiently and far more cheaply. He really reminds me of Lawrence Funderburke. JT should NEVER play SF. That is just a terrible use of him. If we can move him for help at 2/3 I’d do it yesterday.

The lack of discernible rotation is really getting old, and has me seriously questioning Westphal’s ‘plans.’ Does he have any clue as to what team he wants? It seems that after two training camps and a whole season you should have some idea how to use SOME players. Our use of Tyreke is starting to feel like the St. Jean/Richmond years. We don’t need to rely on him for every minute of every possession. Especially when his game hasn’t appeared to have matured much from last year. I can’t really see where we are running much of a coherent offense. I’d really like to see us posting more all over the floor. WHY aren’t we posting Tyreke more? The guy is a constant mismatch. When Beno is in the game we should post Tyreke and move Landry away from the basket.

by Hoops Mike on Nov 11, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

It breaks my heart

but every time I see JT now, I just see what he hasn’t become. With every missed layup, and bricked teardrop, and every time he trucks someone on offense, it frustrates the crap out of me. The only thing of his game at this point that I really like is his jumpshot, but that’s also the problem, because I hate when our big-men are shooting jumpers. (Sigh…)

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by prowseinthehouse on Nov 11, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Trade

I’d be for a trade which saw us losing JT and bringing in Tayshaun Prince.

Prince plays stellar “D” and doesn’t demand the ball on offense. As Detroit could use the rebounding, it seems like a pretty good fit. In addition, we have the cap room to absorb the salary.

by Hoops Mike on Nov 11, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think I'm going to start throwing around trades just yet

but I feel like he should be the one on the bench behind Donte, especially at the SF spot

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by prowseinthehouse on Nov 11, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I love it.

Lets do it.

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by caseycheesecake on Nov 11, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Preseason flashback

I just have to laugh at this. Omri has looked good on offense, but seems to be getting torched on D per Ziller’s analysis.

A stopper at the 3 who can also give you points is nothing to sneer at, and in any case Prince should come a bit cheaper next season. Unless, of course, he ends up playing for a real team with real playoff aspirations and a real NBA coach.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Nov 12, 2010 8:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I've been about as big a JT supporter as anyone here

but I’m starting to be pretty frustrated with him as well. I also look at Darnell Jackson and see what we’ve all wanted to see JT develop, that I’m starting to doubt he ever will: tough, disciplined defense and an efficient offense. At this point, I’d be all for trading JT to a contender for a late first rounder, if we could get it, and give his role on the team fully to Darnell Jackson. Donte can then have at least a few minutes a game at SF; even if he’s not playing that great, he couldn’t really hurt us at this point, and at least the potential to grow into a really good player is still there.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 11, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Really?

We’re ready to pronounce Darnell Jackson as a superior player after 7 games? The guy played 28 games last year to a -0.1 PER (that’s negative zero point one PER).

Think maybe we should give it a few more games to make sure?

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by otis29 on Nov 11, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

No joke, man.

Since when did JT begin holding this team back!?!

Give me f*cking break.

The Kings — who we all knew prolly wouldn’t make the playoffs this year — lose three games in a row and all of a sudden it’s time Paul Westphal’s head on a stick and all sorts of trades scenarios!?!

Can we please wait until late-December to hit the panic button?

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by PhutureKings on Nov 11, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I didnt know 7 games

Made you such an established player. JT in a topsy turvy year last year still averaged 12.5 and 8.5. I would be surprised if Jackson could do that.

by MichaelMack on Nov 11, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be, if he was given the same minutes

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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 11, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

This is what I've been seeing from JT:

He’s rather good at grabbing rebounds, especially on the offensive end. He has a decent-looking jumper, though it tends to not actually go in very much. He seems to have a rather hard time dealing with player spacing and player movement on both sides of the floor, hence the bad fouls on defense and the bad fouls on offense. For whatever reason, he has a really hard time with the “gimme” layups. In other words, his basketball IQ and his comfort/savvy with the basketball is questionable. The past couple of years, I’ve had no problem chalking that up to youth and inexperience. At this point, I’m not so sure about how much he’ll ever grow out of those things.

No one will ever mistake Darnell Jackson for an All-Star, but he seems to be able to give us much of the production that we expect from JT (rebounds, a couple of wide-open jumpers, the occasional put-back), but his focus and his basketball maturity seem to be quite a bit above JT’s and, again, I’m starting to doubt whether Thompson will ever develop those traits to the extent that he needs to.

We’re talking about our 3rd or 4th big, here, assuming Cousins reaches even half of his potential and at least one of Dally/Landry stays on the team moving forward (plus the pending development of young SWAT), and I don’t believe the expectations for that role are beyond Darnell Jackson’s consistent capabilities (at least until a better option is available). So far this season, it seems to me that when Darnell is in the game, he is helping the team overall, whereas the positives that JT brings are almost always offset by his frequent disjointed play on both ends. That being said, I believe JT is still an asset with fair value in this league, and I’d be more than willing to see what the market for him could bring us.

Coach Westphal has obviously already made up his mind about Darnell Jackson: he wants him in the rotation, with a prominent bench role. Coach also says he wants to find time for JT in each game, which has him trying JT at the 3 and gluing Donte to the end of the bench. Personally, I’d rather see the Kings investing minutes into Donte’s potential, offseason snafus aside, that give up on him completely just to get JT on the court at all costs.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 11, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Well said

I am seeing the same things out of JT. I Love the guy but it seems like he can’t get over the mental mistakes.

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by kangsfan on Nov 11, 2010 8:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

That's

just about the best I’ve heard these issues covered. I’m interested in seeing what we can get for JT and/or Donte would bring in return. Anything higher than a late 1st rounder for either would be good enough for me to do the deal. Harsh, I know. I like JT, too. I just wish he would have developed some…

by DustyG on Nov 11, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Make Telfair play some D and shop JT

Posting up Tyreke on the mouse in the house, Telfair, could have been one approach. And it might have also helped limit Telfair’s game on the other side of the floor. He was eating up Beno, and more Tyreke plus Garcia might have been part of the solution.

The thing I become more convinced of EVERY game is that we need to shop JT. We simply don’t need him and he has trade-able value (I think) as opposed to Jackson. I’m a BIG Darnell Jackson fan. He is absurdly productive in limited minutes, and simply LOOKS at ease. He never looks nervous or overwhelmed which I feel JT STILL appears to be. He provides the same role albeit more efficiently and far more cheaply.

I’ve said this previously, and now more are coming to the same conclusion. Jackson gives us as much or more than JT and, as you say, “far more cheaply” to boot.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Nov 12, 2010 7:58 AM PST up reply actions  

They were using a zone most of the time

that makes it pretty hard to post one particular guy up.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2010 8:09 AM PST up reply actions  

My LU with minutes right now

Reke 36 Udrih 32 Casspi 32 Dalembert 32 Cousins 28
Bench
Garcia 28 Jackson 20 and wiht the remaining minutes to Jt/Landry/or Greene (pick 1)
Not a rigid list, but something to strive for on average to get a consistent group out there.
I want no more thasn 9 players a game with the 9th getting 10 minutes or less.

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by ElRonToro on Nov 11, 2010 8:32 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah, I think it's time to tighten up the rotations

I’m not holding my breath though, we’ve been clamoring for that since about the midpoint of last season.

It’s just one shitty game, but only having DeMarcus play 14 minutes without an injury or foul problem? That’s a traveshamockery.

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by otis29 on Nov 11, 2010 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Not as much of a traveshamockery as having JT and Landry split a handful of minutes.

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by PhutureKings on Nov 11, 2010 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

True dat

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by otis29 on Nov 11, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't necessarily agree with the minutes and players

But I am 100% behind coming up with roles and a shortened lineup of 9-10 players and consistent PT for players so they have some idea what to expect, even if it’s a warm seat on the bench for the most part.

I know even those type of situations are not etched in stone, but we have minutes for key players yo-yoing up and down and it’s hard to establish a consistent team with that kind of approach.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Nov 12, 2010 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

We seriously need a coach to teach them TEAM defense.

Whether it’s an assistant coach or someone to replace Westphal, I do not care.

by ZenBaller on Nov 11, 2010 9:00 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

We could of had the best in the biz

Thibideau but tight pockets don’t get you the best anything

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by allbenji's on Nov 11, 2010 10:48 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

We did have one of the best in the biz in Adelman

and I still can’t see any reason why he got fired. We went from a team with offensive minded guys who still could be respectable on d because of a defensive minded coach; to a joke defensively, and we haven’t gotten any better in that department at all nomatter who has been coaching since.

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by prowseinthehouse on Nov 11, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

History

Adelman’s contract was expiring, and there was some back and forth as to whether or not the Kings would re-sign him, and for how much. Adelman at one point described himself as being a “free agent,” perhaps one that would test the market. That was it for the Maloof brothers – they pulled the plug on any negotiations and went in a different direction.

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by section214 on Nov 11, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Adelwoman fostered a sense of softness for the Kings, too.

Honestly, the guy costed us a Championship and I was happy when he got canned. If P Jax or Larry Brown were the coach, the KIngs would’ve won the series against the [Redacted]. Further, Adelman totally flubbed the return of Chris Webber, and the Kings were about to miss the playoffs until the arrival of Ron Artest. How are the Rockets doing right about now?

Adelman has never and will never win a Championship. Period. His firing was about a year or two too late, IMO.

Now, if you could all remove your rose-colored glasses and move past the firing of Adelman, that’d be great.

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by PhutureKings on Nov 11, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

and clearly

Eric Musselman
Reggie Theus
Kenny Natt, and
Paul Westphaul

are all better

Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.

by TheFifthMookie on Nov 11, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Different issue

It is possible to feel that releasing Adelman was a proper move AND the subsequent hiring of coaches was hopelessly botched.

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by otis29 on Nov 11, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

yeah

I was being snarky.

Question: what kind of coach / what example coaches would be/would have been a good fit for King’s current make up?

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by TheFifthMookie on Nov 11, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Hard to tell

And I’m not 100% sure Westphal isn’t that guy.

But let’s at least keep it real here – Westphal’s a guy that wasn’t a hot commodity, and some of the credit he’s received since he got the job with the Kings is due to the ineptness of his predecessors.

I think he should be on the hot seat, and if this team hasn’t made some significant process by the end of the season, I’d hope Petrie moves on to someone else.

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by otis29 on Nov 11, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

It depends. We got a lot of new guys and they need a little time to gel.

But, if by season’s end, significant improvement hasn’t been made, maybe we call for PW’s head.

I’d like to see some stability for awhile tho. It’s not like a coaching carousel can be really good for the team either, and that’s been the deal for a few years now. if the players still like and respect PW, let it ride for a bit.

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by PhutureKings on Nov 11, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Just because a guy is a hot commodity means little.

Tom Thibodeau was a hot commodity, but how much does he have to do with the Bulls success at this point? A few years ago, Marc Iavaroni was a hot name when he worked under Mike D’Antoni. Then within a year he became dumber than Dick Motta.

Hot names mean next to nothing.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2010 5:11 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

People think Thibodeau made the Celtics’ defense great, but he’s gone…and it’s still great.

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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 12, 2010 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Your Honor I present NBA success as of the players, for the players and by the players (with an important aid from the coaching staff).

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by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I believe we were discussing Adelman, not any of the coaches that followed him.

But, let me double check to make sure.

/checking/

Yup. We were only discussing Adelman and his failures and missteps as a coach.

/snarky-ness returned/.

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by PhutureKings on Nov 11, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, you named two coaches better than Adelman

maybe there are another handful on the planet, but I’ll be surprised if the Kings ever employ a coach better than him in my lifetime, and hey, I’m only 40 and hoping to live a while.

He was a great coach for the team we had and didn’t miss all the free throws and open shots in that series. The idea it was Adelman’s fault it moronic. I have news for you, any team with a frontline of Divac, Webber and Peja was going to be soft.

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on Nov 11, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

I guess because you say something is moronic, it is so, eh?

I can play that game, too.

You’re moronic.

There is a certain swagger and attitude that coaches can instill in their teams. To argue your point, maybe you can name a “tough” Adelman-coached team rather than simply stating that someone else’s arguments (especially mine) are moronic.

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by PhutureKings on Nov 11, 2010 11:56 PM PST up reply actions  

You said "costed".

Plus Adelman would have us playing better right now.

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by caseycheesecake on Nov 11, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Counterpoint

See Rockets, Houston, 2010.

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by section214 on Nov 11, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure did.

And noticed it immediately…after I posted. D’oh.

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by PhutureKings on Nov 11, 2010 11:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Adelman has won everywhere he's gone

so, flaws and all, I think most savvy fans would conclude he’s a pretty decent coach. At least he knows how to pick 7-8 guys to play most of the minutes and make the other guys role players.

Westphal, meanwhile, seems to take the minutes available and divide them by pretty much the whole roster. That’s a great approach in Pee Wee basketball when you are trying to give everybody a shot, but this is the NBA.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Nov 12, 2010 8:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I am being a little overly nitcky here given your point still has merit but ...

Adelman has won everywhere he’s gone …

I am guessing you didn’t watch many Warriors games in the mid 90s

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 12, 2010 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Not to mention, Adelman was actually criticized for using such short rotations and burning out his players in the regular season.

Adelman was a great coach…for the regular season. But, I care more about winning a Championship (and not of the divisional variety).

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by PhutureKings on Nov 12, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I think I'd take a great regular season coach right about now

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by otis29 on Nov 12, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I love how I am being an ass here telling someone they forgot about something

and I go ahead and write nitcky instead of nit picky (which probably even isn’t spelled right)

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 12, 2010 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

And let's not forget that when Adelman was canned the Kings had depopulated the Bench Mob and were in a decidedly downard
The issue of defense was a hot topic and Adelman was the scapegoat for a team that really had no defenders. Adelman basically said (shifting the blame to the Director of Player Personnel) "So get me some players who defend". One of the Maloof Bro's, (I can never get them straight) basically scoffed at him by never seriously endorsing him which, as we all know now, was the writing on the wall...

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by Natomaser on Nov 11, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I loved Adelman!

But I think the reason he was fired is because of altercations between him and the Maloofs.

by Mr.Noisewater on Nov 11, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Aside from Beno, Cisco, & Sammy

the team’s effort/output was rather putrid. Omri only 1 rebound, Tyreke 5 TO’s and a foul-out, and Landry didn’t show up again. This need to get fixed and fixed now or we’re not going to be any better than last year.

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by SayWhat? on Nov 11, 2010 9:04 AM PST reply actions  

Hey, at least that's pretty much a guaranteed win.

Er, wait a minute…

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by PhutureKings on Nov 11, 2010 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Nothing's guaranteed a win in the NBA.

Anybody can beat you any given night.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2010 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Werd up. That was my point. But, honestly...when a team like the Wolves comes to your home arena, that has to be a W.

The only explanation is that our team sucks or did not play up to their potential. Before the start of the season, we all got pretty hyped up because of what the potential could be. This team, young tho it is, has to start stepping it up.

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by PhutureKings on Nov 11, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I've noticed that for a long time

the Kings love to play down to their opponents’ level. They seem to show up against the good teams, but still lose because they aren’t as good, but at least play a good game; but then against the teams they should beat, they come out playing like a pick-up team for the most part.

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by prowseinthehouse on Nov 11, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Say what?

I think Omri had 4 rebounds.

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by RikSmits on Nov 11, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

50% shooting for 17 pts + 4 rbds in 27 minutes

is Casspi doing his part offensively for sure, all rebounds on D. Hell, he hit 3 (3-7) of the 5 3-pointers we managed to get out of 20 attempts. He showed up.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Woopsy,

the assist column is right next to the rebound column. Need to clean my glasses.

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by SayWhat? on Nov 11, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

PROBLEM:
Anyone watching the last few games might come to the early conclusion that the chemistry is out of whack, the team is having no fun – and/ or the parts in place just don’t balance, dispite what is clearly a more talented team. Is it the coaching? I think there’s some blame there, but Coaches can’t take the blame for players taking turns playing without emotion and /or just not showing up – and what the hell is going on with Carl Landry? Is the crowded front court ruining the locker room? Maybe we really DO need to make an early season trade to mix this thing up.

See Asinine Trade Thread (No Fun Edition)

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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2010 9:18 AM PST reply actions  

IMO, This was a perfect game for Pooh Jeter to make a difference.

First of all, on defense, it was pretty clear that Telfair was having his way with Beno due to the quickness advantage. Jeter would have negated that quickness advantage.

Second of all, on offense, I think Jeter could have got that offense flowing more.

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by Surprise Team on Nov 11, 2010 9:30 AM PST reply actions  

We need a defesive perimeter player badly!!

both beasly and Telfair were torching us. Our inside defense is very good. Look at Kevin Love number compare to him against the lakers. 8pts 9rbs compare to 23pts and 24 rbs against the lakers.

by Kenneth256 on Nov 11, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

No, we need team defense.

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by MustangMBS on Nov 11, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Have to agree with Mustang

Beasley took 17 shots from long 2’s and 3’s. He got those shots because he was beating his man off the dribble or coming off a screen. He only attacked the paint 9 times and was only 3-9 inside 10 ft.

The answer to defending him was for his man to play tight, and send help when Beasley put the ball on the floor. And, for the bigs to show or even switch off the screens. There is always going to be someone who can beat your best perimeter player. We need a defense that can help, when one of their teammates is getting beat.

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by HighTops on Nov 11, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I think we need both

The team defense has been poor for several years now and it absolutely needs to get better/exist. Especially on PnRs, the bigs should be able to move effectively enough to guard this effectively if our smalls could battle through a little better. However, there is only one player on this team who takes any sort of pride in defense. The others take too many risks or just seem indifferent to getting beat.

The Kings could really benefit from another perimeter defender. I agree that the players in the NBA are so good that you will always see breakdowns but there are players out there who can force contested jumpers when left on an island. No King has a prayer of doing that right now.

by jstnblke41 on Nov 11, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

In my mind

A lot of that was not enough help on the screen from the bigs…If Casppi went over the screen Beasely was unimpeded, if he went under by the time he got around the shot was gone…I thought the bigs were giving token shows, but Beasely realized they weren’t really involved.

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by ElRonToro on Nov 11, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

The whole defense needs to be able to rotate

Players need to be able to provide help and have their team mates rotate to cover. That, however, takes consistent floor time for players to trust each other and learn to play as a team. It takes mistakes happening and players able to learn without getting yanked out of the game for one mistake. It takes lessons and teachings from coaching staff that know how to implement team defense.

My question. Does it take a new head coach?

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by MustangMBS on Nov 11, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

The answer to your question is probably moot

since I doubt GP or the Maloofs would accept (the appearance of) instability this year.
However, your point is right on, and thats why I would like the rotation reduced to 8 players for a while until they get used to team defense. It will be quicker to learn with fewer players. Then start adding additional players slowly or at practice.

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by ElRonToro on Nov 11, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

The team already has an appearance of instability. Right?

Nothing left to lose after a certain point.

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by MustangMBS on Nov 11, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think they know we know

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by ElRonToro on Nov 11, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.
I thought the bigs were giving token shows

I have noticed this all year and its been driving me nuts!

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by SactoRyan on Nov 12, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

We need a trade!!!

Either Landry or Thompson. We should trade for a player like courtney lee. That would be perfect. Why doesn’t Geoff Petrie try to trade for a player that has been proven to shoot the 3 and defend the opposing team’s best player instead of trying to make a player try to do something that they don’t know how to do or are incapable of doing.

by Kenneth256 on Nov 11, 2010 9:32 AM PST reply actions  

Because teams that have players like that aren't about to give them up.

And, besides, if we work with the players we have and give them the opportunity to learn from their mistakes. We might find that we actually already have one. But, we don’t. Instead we keep searching our bench to find one.

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by HighTops on Nov 11, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

It is hard to be to judgmental when we look like we lack direction

I think Cisco, Beno, and Omri are decent three point shooters. JT plays good one on one defense, and Cisco and Tyreke and OMri can too, and Dally is a proven force inside. Landry and Boogie can score inside, JT and Dalambert are very good rebounders, it seems like the ingredients to be competitive if they have direction.

by MichaelMack on Nov 11, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Landry has been scoring well inside?

Three of last four games
4 pts – 4 rbds
4 pts – 0 rbds
9 pts – 4 rbds

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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I said he can

I did not say he has. We dont get him the ball inside. But I also dont think he is a starter, I think he should be the first big off the bench, because of his rebounding and defense.

by MichaelMack on Nov 11, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

He needs to establish that position inside

for us to get it to him inside.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I said in another thread last night

That in person Carl seems about 15 pounds heavier than last year. I suspect it may have made him a fraction slower and with less lift than last year. Just a theory, but thats why I think he’s hanging out on the perimeter.

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by ElRonToro on Nov 11, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Chicken or Egg

I contest that if PW didn’t want Landy getting the ball away from the basket, all he’d have to do is tell Beno to stop getting him the ball there.

It doesn’t take a genius to know that Carl was much more effective on the left side and closer to the basket. Both with us and with Houston. But, now that’s Cousins spot, so when the two are on the floor together, Carl get the less productive spot.

And, the only real thing wrong with getting him the ball there, is that he’s not quick enough to beat his man one on one and get all the way to the basket before help arrives in the paint. He needs help getting to a spot where his jumper can be more effective. Or, he needs to be getting the ball closer to the basket.

This is one instance where I blame the play more than the player.

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by HighTops on Nov 11, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

It is more than that though

It isn’t just Beno giving Landry the ball. Landry has now been given a new role. Watch the games.

He is given the ball at the top of the court At the three point line and then his role is to distribute the ball depending on what play is run. If somebody else does it, this is the main offensive setup, then the play is for him to be at the elbow at about 18 feet. Then it is either a give and go or they screen off the guards defender, or try, do a pick and roll, switch off players defending, and/or try to take advantage of a mismatch. This often fails and the elbow player, often Landry, has to take the shot.

In the new offense they roll to the left or right and then come back in to the middle. The guards have the ball less often and bigs distribute to a wing or guard player on one side, to the elbow, and on the other side the big gets down halfway between the elbow and the baseline. The other guard or wing sits at the three point line on that same side away from the ball.

The ball swings toward the middle from the far side across the screen and goes into the paint if there is an opening or, if not, down the low posting big or to the wing in the corner. If the low post big can’t get into the paint or is doubled then he kicks it out to the wing player or a cutter depending on where the double team comes from.

That is, I think, how they are trying to execute the offense, but there are some other set ups as well. This is a common one I have seen though.

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by MustangMBS on Nov 11, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Can you provide some diagrams,next time. Just kidding

but I don’t that everyone is going to be able to follow all that.

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by HighTops on Nov 11, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I missed the game, and couldn't believe my eyes when I read the paper this morning

but from reading the thread it seems like streaky Mike Beasley was shooting the shot we want him to shoot (see TZ’s preview from the season opener) and making them. That doesn’t warrant a team-wide shake-up, I don’t think.

Let’s settle down and go back to rooting for the team to continue to develop and improve together.

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by Holmdel on Nov 11, 2010 10:29 AM PST reply actions  

That's only one side of the ball

You saw that we scored 89 points…at home…against the Timberwolves. Right?

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by otis29 on Nov 11, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I did. Ugh, that was the other horrible thing about the paper this morning.

But our offense has been really good this year. I’d give it the standard GP five games before calling it an ominous trend.

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by Holmdel on Nov 11, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

As ugly as this loss was, it’s just one game. There were some ominous signs of a lack of fight though, so that’s somewhat concerning.

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by otis29 on Nov 11, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

An obvious point is turnovers 19 to 5 for Minnie

They took 87 shots to our 72 and we didn’t capitalize from the line on 12 extra attempts. Not that they shot well from the free throw line either . . . .

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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2010 10:49 AM PST reply actions  

Minny had 15 turnovers, and we got to the FT line 12 more times which reduces our FGA's

So, basicly they got 9 more FGA’s off of 4 less turnovers and 4 more offensive rebounds. But in the end we still held them to they season average of around 96 ppg.

This game was lost on the offensive side of the ball in spite of Beasley’s 42.

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by HighTops on Nov 11, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed (typo)

I’m struggling though to understand the 15 shot differential, 87-72. Anyway, that’s why I wondered about that enemic offensive lineup we put in. It does seem that beating Minnie usually simply means scoring 100 points.

89 points will win you almost no games in this league.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

As you said we had 12 more FT's, that's 6 possession or 6 more FGA we should have had

We also had 4 more turnovers, so that’s 4 less FGA’s and they had 4 more offensive rebounds which gave them 4 more posssession. All total that explains 14 of the 15 additional FGA’s that they got.

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by HighTops on Nov 11, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Offensive rotations

In the 4th, after Tyreke fouled out and Beno was on the line. I saw him take a visible sigh of relief when he saw Casspi coming back in to end that horrific Dalembert/Jackson/ JT line-up. Alas, it was not enough without Tyreke (or Cousins?) in the game.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

The relief was palpable

Some of these line-ups really blow.

by lead_pipe on Nov 11, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree

I also didn’t like when Donte came in (bad rebounder) he was on the floor with Landry (bad rebounder)

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by ElRonToro on Nov 11, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Not in preseason or regular season this year

Comparing minutes played to total rebounds
Greene is averaging 1 reb for every 3.8 minutes played
Omri ia averging one every 8.7 minute
Cousins is at one every 3.7 minutes
and JT is at one every 3.3 minutes.

So, Donte has been on average with Cuz and twice as good as Omri.

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by HighTops on Nov 11, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Small sample size

In Donté’s case, extremely small sample size.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 11, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

TWSS. Ouch.

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by PhutureKings on Nov 11, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Game by game I realize that Tyreke's great play and award last year

blinded us all from the fact that Westphal is a bad coach. That was also helped by the two previous coaches who were not just bad but tragic. Now it’s clear (at least in my eyes), that we need a defensive minded coach or at least someone with a concrete plan on which all players can cling.

The fact that we won 3 ugly games because of our offense (and only that) shows that this team has great talent. Offense comes naturally to good players. Now we need someone to show them defense.

by ZenBaller on Nov 11, 2010 10:55 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah but I thought one couldn't learn how to be a good defender but it came from having a lot of heart

Oh no, wait … that’s rebounding (is it heart or giving 110 percent%?). We do need more defense though given defense wins championships. But then again we are nowhere near a championship team regardless so maybe we just need more talent. But then again talent only gets you so far. Maybe our players just need to thank God more.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 11, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions   4 recs

I agree Wally...

Winning is a concept. It starts with desire and commitment. Then, you add some heart along with a cup of enthusiasm and an ounce of courage,mix well and …….fuck it! I’m out.

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by ElRonToro on Nov 11, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

lol rec'd.

if anyone can beat the amount of cliches thrown into that post i will be very impressed.

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by lodisacfan on Nov 11, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

thanks

for essentially guaranteeing Section will absolutely blow my cliche filled smart ass comment out of the water

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 11, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Always good at putting everything in perspective, Wally Reke'd

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by HighTops on Nov 11, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree that was a bad game...

But it’s just one game.
I think the main things that lost us the game were Minnesota’s good defense on Tyreke, Beasley being on fire throughout, and a lot of missed free-throws.

I think the team can still be fun and still improve. I wasn’t expecting this team to win 40 games this year by any stretch, so 3-4 is not that bad at this point. We are incredibly inconsistent, which is generally the biggest problem with young teams.

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Nov 11, 2010 11:53 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

But yes

Our defense on perimeted players has been horrible… Kobe’s triple double, Gay abusing us, and now Beasley.

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Nov 11, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Regarding Beasley

After checking out his boxscore at Hoopdata, it was exactly the way I saw the game: he went 10-15 from16-23 feet for 66.7 , and 3-5 from 10-15 ft for 60 %, which are areas where he averages 51 and 30% respectfully.

The gameplan was to probably let him shoot long jumpers since he averaged 39% last year in the 16-23 ft area, and make him go right because he’s left; the thing is he was he hitting a lot of shots that he’s not normally known for hitting, so when he went right he was hitting a lot of those long twos and mid range jumpers. I just wonder if there was a plan B, as they didn’t try to double him or try to deny the ball to him more aggressively.

Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."

by kingsfan300 on Nov 11, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

The big problem wasn't that he hit the shots

the problem was that Plan B was to find someone on the bench who could stop him. But, as far as I know Shane Battier isn’t on our bench. But, PW continues to look there. And, you know what they say about doing the same thing over and over and expection the outcome to change.

The Plan B should have been to play him tight, and if he beats force him to the Big Defensive Stopper. He’s shooting 51% on long 2’s this season and has an eFG% of 62.6% on his threes, but he shoots less than 42 percent inside 15 ft.

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by HighTops on Nov 11, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually thought Garcia did a really good job on him

And Greene looked decent on him, he was just hitting jumpers in Greene’s face…not a whole lot you can do about that besides block it. Would’ve liked to see a lot more Francisco on him in the 2nd half though.

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by lodisacfan on Nov 11, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

We could have lived with his hot night and just scored a 100 pts to win.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

That's the way I thought it was going to go down.

The KIngs would hold Minny to their 96pt scoring average and the Kings would score around 101, so everyone could get Taco’s

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by HighTops on Nov 11, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't remember all the plays after all it was a whole 3 1/2 minutes

Once Beasley used a screen to free up but the big didn’t show or switch and Beasley got an open look. But there was one time, when Beasley tried to pass into the post and Donte left him to try to deny the entry post to Darko, To Darko. Talk about leaving the hot shooter for no good reason.

No, nobody was perfect. But, then good offensive players alway beat good defensive players. That’s why we have Team Defense and Help Defense.

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by HighTops on Nov 11, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

No

thats why other teams have Team Defense and Help Defense.
We haven’t figured that part out yet

Darko Milicec passes just as well as Vlade Divac... Vlade would be the first to tell you that

by prowseinthehouse on Nov 11, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Donte did the best

His length and quickness was why. Cisco is quick but too short so Beasley simply shot over him. JT didn’t have a f’n chance as he’s was simply not quick enough and frankly is not used to playing D out on the perimeter. Putting JT out there was a f’n disaster. I can’t believe PW came up with that.

by KingsFan on Nov 12, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree.

I’m still not happy about the game, because I never even considered the possibility of us losing when I walked into the arena. The Wolves are just too bad.
But it’s just one game, and I’m sure the Kings are busting their butts in practice and will compete hard against the Suns to redeem themselves. We’ve still got 75 chances to improve.

by PurpleLoco on Nov 11, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

yep

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Nov 11, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I had such f**kin hopes for us,

Random Scattersh*t:

Westphal seems to be out of his element when it comes to coaching young players, they are supposed to make mistakes. What does he think he is coaching, a powerhouse.

I have no problem with the losing, I do have a problem with players not getting a fair shake.

In a game full of uncertainty, Westphal is making it look pretty certain that he doesn’t have a clue what to do with this roster.

We were supposed to be that feisty young team nobody wants to play, not the young team players schedule tax appointments around.

In a sport where genetics and design plays a huge part of success, isn’t donte greene the only player on our roster tailored to defend the elite small forwards of the league?

It’s really quite simple: put the players in a position to succeed, and they either succeed or fail. put the players in a position to fail, and they either fail or succeed.

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by The Artist Formerly Known as CrownUs93 on Nov 11, 2010 12:19 PM PST reply actions  

LMAO

It’s really quite simple: put the players in a position to succeed, and they either succeed or fail. put the players in a position to fail, and they either fail or succeed.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 11, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Or if you put those same players in a dark room with a light switch,

they’ll either be in the dark or turn on the light. Then, if they turn on the light, they’ll either be in the light or the dark (you know, if the bulb blows out or something).

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by PhutureKings on Nov 11, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely...

But. If you put the players in a rainstorm, they will either get wet or stay dry. Put the players in a desert, they will either stay dry or get wet.

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by The Artist Formerly Known as CrownUs93 on Nov 11, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL!

And if you push them out of an airplane, they will either float or fall. And if they fall, they will either die or live. And if they live, they will either be perfectly fine or severely injured. And if they are severely injured…

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by PhutureKings on Nov 11, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Or lose them.

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by PhutureKings on Nov 11, 2010 11:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Trade!!

Would love to see the Kings trade for Tayshawn Prince. We have too many bigs and the small forward is a glaring weakness – especially on the defensive end. Casspi is not consistent enough to be a starter. I still have no idea why Donte can’t sniff the court. He seemed to match up with Beasely better than any other King.

by Mad Hops on Nov 11, 2010 12:43 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Sorry, I just threw up in a mouth a little bit.

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by PhutureKings on Nov 11, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

whose mouth?

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by Holmdel on Nov 11, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I dunno...I assumed he was homeless.

LOL. Good catch!

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by PhutureKings on Nov 11, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn...I'll try harder next time.

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by PhutureKings on Nov 11, 2010 11:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Question for the STR faithful...

Okay, I’m going to the game tomorrow night, but I have a problem.

I used to have a black Kings shirt, but it literally disappeared. I’ve looked in every closet, drawer, etc. in my house and can’t find it.

Here’s the question: a few years ago, I got a Ron Artest jersey for free. Do I wear it tomorrow night to rep the Kings, or just go in regular clothes?

I can’t decide.

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by Scott Coleman on Nov 11, 2010 1:15 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Go naked with a Kings logo painted on your chest and "FTW!" written across your ass.

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by PhutureKings on Nov 11, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Wear the Kings gear

Artest was a King – it’s fine.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Buy a t-shirt at the team store.

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by Juan Primo on Nov 11, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

If it's a Kings jersey it will work

I had a Bobby Hurley jersey

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by bignerd on Nov 11, 2010 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

It took WP all 82 games...

last year to try and figure out what he had and to ID a silid rotation… this year won’t be any better then last year, expect fewer wins and fewer people buying tickets.

Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...

by kromeace on Nov 11, 2010 2:14 PM PST reply actions  

PW got out coached

Lets face it the Kings didn’t make the right adjustments both defensively and offensively at 1/2 time. Good coaches do. They should have made some defensive adjustments on Beasley and let someone else beat them. Double… Tripple team the guy… do what ever but make someone else beat you. Also, they didn’t adjust their offense to get the right people the ball in the right situations. If one thing doesn’t work try something else. Post up Tyreke if he can’t drive the lane and Landry isn’t getting it done down low. Maybe its just me but I feel PW just doesn’t know how to make the right in game adjustments when his game plan isn’t working as planned.

by AyyJude on Nov 11, 2010 3:57 PM PST reply actions  

didn't watch the game but how in the world did Tyreke foul out so quickly??

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by Holmdel on Nov 11, 2010 4:07 PM PST reply actions  

no shooter on the floor so they just collapsed on the paint

Desmond Mason-esque

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by MustangMBS on Nov 11, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

and they called Tyreke for fouls, as a result?

damn

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by Holmdel on Nov 11, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

4 or 5 charges

and Tyreke deserved all of them.

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on Nov 11, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's not forget his glorious 5th foul

It came about 1 second after being inserted into the game- he stopped a break-away by diving and grabbing the other guy’s shoes.

by lead_pipe on Nov 11, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL.

Seriously? That’s funny. I was sitting in the nosebleeds, couldn’t see the specifics on the fouls unless they replayed it.

by PurpleLoco on Nov 11, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Same, but that I had a good view of that one

It might have been the biggest WTF in an evening of WTF.

by lead_pipe on Nov 11, 2010 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

ouch

maybe Tyreke should have made a 1/2 time adjustment

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by Holmdel on Nov 11, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

PW is the one that needed to adjust

He was more worried about shutting Beasley down than anything else. He stopped playing offensively. It was a carousel of one guy after another trying to defend Beasley and it just completely ruined any chance of getting an offensive rhythm going.

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by MustangMBS on Nov 11, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point

We’re probably not going to be a great defensive team, so then it becomes a game of playing your best offensive talent and trying to outscore them and hoping those players improve on D.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Nov 12, 2010 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

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