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Paul Westphal -
Keep him and don't change a thing about him
136 votes
Keep him but get him a media coach
15 votes
Keep him but get him some staff help
121 votes
Keep him but get him some player help
208 votes
Keep him but whack his pee-pee
146 votes
Fire him
156 votes

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Too soon, and is only going to spread a lot of negative s.

My opinion, which is also completely irrelevant.

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Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Nov 11, 2010 7:17 PM PST reply actions  

Which option are you talking about?

There are six to choose from. But you’re right – no one is talking about Westphal on this site, and I should not have brought it up. I’ve let the cat out of the bag – shame on me.

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by section214 on Nov 11, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

If someone wants to write a treatise on firing Westphal. let them do it.

I’d find that a more compelling argument than clicking on a radio button. Kind of like putting a flag on your Facebook doesn’t make you a patriot.

Not trying to give you crap, but I’d prefer to see a thought process elucidated instead of punch-and-go.

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Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Nov 11, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I, on the other hand, am interested in what the other members have to say, so I posted the poll.

(section gets off self-righteous and pompous pedestal)

And I voted to whack his pee pee. Can’t argue with Cheech and Chong.

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by section214 on Nov 11, 2010 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed. I'm just crazy about that stuff.

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by andy sims on Nov 11, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Me too

But I’m just an expert pee-pee whacker.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Nov 11, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

TWSS

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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 12, 2010 6:14 AM PST up reply actions  

There should have been more options

All the options for Keep him should have been there for fire him.

Fire him and get him some staff help
Fire him and get him some player help
Whack his pee-pee and fire him
Fire him

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Nov 11, 2010 7:50 PM PST reply actions  

anyone who choses an option where someone does not get whacked in the pee-pee

is simply too mature for my taste

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 11, 2010 8:00 PM PST reply actions  

I say we keep him

Because really, who else is on the market? Don Nelson? Ugh.

What we do need to do is add some balance to our roster by trading one of our big guys for a wing or a guard, in my opinion a wing that can split all the minutes at the three with Omri, or can play the two and we can use Cisco at the three then.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 11, 2010 8:14 PM PST reply actions  

Keep him

Just because he had a bad few coaching games does not mean he cannot get better and learn from his mistakes. Making mistakes is not inexcusable. Making same mistakes repeatedly, i.e. playing JT at ‘3’ for next 75 games is inexcusable.

Though I would have liked to see him say in the post game he made a mistake not to take Tyreke out. And in general his team was not prepared to play and he bears some responsibility for that. I think a coach earns credibility when he owns up to his performance instead of trying to defend himself at every turn.

Last night was bad, really bad, but I still think PW can do a solid job.

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by bench_blob on Nov 11, 2010 8:29 PM PST reply actions  

I thought what Westphal said vis-a-vis Evans made sense.

If you take him out at 9 minutes and wait until 3 minutes are left, he’s as good as fouled out for that 6 minutes. Sometimes a guy will play for a quarter and a half with 5 fouls, and never get a 6th.

Evans had an off night, tough to imagine he was going to catch fire no matter how it played out.

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by andy sims on Nov 11, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I like him.

And I know that the people who matter like him. He really meshes well with Petrie and co. He is also very cool with front office players like SAR and Bobby Jackson- so much that he allows them to come in and work with players individually. He also extends the same courtesy to Pete Carril. This might not seem like a big deal but this is Westphal’s team and his players and allowing others to come in and interject can cause some issues- none of which the Kings have.

I think a lot of these issues go back to his quote from the other day- it is the players responsibility to make the coach happy. It’s a little old school but I appreciate the approach. I also know that although there is some tough love handed down on occasion, he is also extremely complimentary of almost all of the players. People skip a lot of the good news quotes or the praise but if you are going to ding him for trashing Hawes, the fact that goes out of his way to speak glowingly about Jackson, Thompson, Head, Landry, Dalembert, Casspi, Garcia, Cousins, Evans, Jeter, Wright, Beno, M. Landry, Crawford, should also be noted.

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by jjham15 on Nov 11, 2010 8:33 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

No coach will ever make him you 100% happy 100% of the time.

Coaching is more of a gray area type of business.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2010 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

This.

I’ve always liked Westphal, even if the last few games have really…irritated me, to put it lightly. I think he’s a good coach, and I haven’t heard any of the players complain about Westphal since the Hawes thing last season. I think someone needs to teach our players how to defend, and for that purpose, I think we would be better off hiring a defensive-minded assistant coach to complement Westphal and the rest of the staff.

I voted to keep him and hire someone to help with the players.

by PurpleLoco on Nov 11, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

They have a couple of really bright assistants.

The players just need to play together. Dalembert missed all of training camp, Darnell Jackson had hardly played in the NBA before this year, Cousins had never played, Casspi and Evans are second year players who start and Thompson is learning a new position every week. Just wait until JT lines up at the point on Sunday.

Realistically, this team needs 20 games to learn how to play together. If you go back to before the trade deadline last year, the only remaining starter in Tyreke Evans who was a rookie.

The world is not your Trade Machine.

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by jjham15 on Nov 11, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

OK,

so basically JT is this year’s Hawes. Now who is our overpaid chucker with a crazed fan-following?

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by prowseinthehouse on Nov 11, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Fact

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 12, 2010 6:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd

I wouldn’t let my sister date him though.

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by otis29 on Nov 12, 2010 4:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I like some of his philosophy (agree with you on his quote)

But I’m starting to wonder if “philosophy” is all he has.

Still, it’s only 7 games in, so I’d prefer to have him running the team for the remainder of the season. But if this team continues to underachieve, it might be time then to pull the plug.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Nov 12, 2010 4:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I probably like PW less than anyone on this board

and I railed against him last year for much the same thing, silly rotations, lack of teamwork on defense, no discernible offensive scheme.

However, I think it is far to early to fire him. I think we have to at least let him finish the season, or we are going to retard our progress again as the team tries to learn something new mid season. Maybe he will improve right along with the team, he was out of the head coaching game for a decade.

by MichaelMack on Nov 12, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Keep him and don't change a thing about him

Not because I’m happy with the job he’s doing… I’m definitely not at this point in time. But I also believe that only 7 games into the season, and with a couple new important pieces that are getting integrated to the rotation, I don’t think it’s fair to completely throw him under the bus. He did a good job last year and he deserves a chance to show what he can do.

Ask me back after the 30 game mark and I may have a different opinion, but right now, I say let him do his job and prove he can help this team get better.

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by edm7 on Nov 11, 2010 8:46 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

Reke'd

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by section214 on Nov 11, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

And one.

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by andy sims on Nov 11, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Ditto

F#ck Kobe Bryant.
F#ck Shaquille O’Neal
F#ck Phil Jackson
F#ck Rick Fox (twice)
F#ck Sasha Vujacic
F#ck Robert Horry
F#ck Derek Fisher
F#ck Dick Bavetta, Bob Delaney and Ted Bernhardt – I’m still waiting for them to have their jerseys retired at Staples.
F#ck Every Laker fan who comes to Arco Arena, wears his hat sideways and stands up and cheers with his arms out and his back to the floor whenever Kobe scores a basket.
Oh, and F#ck Jack Nicholson, Dyan Cannon, and that silver haired douchebag wearing the snakeskin boots.

Who’d I miss?

by B-RAD on Nov 11, 2010 9:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

Haha c'mon guys..

I think the extent of the frustration towards PW is unnecessary. I am frustrated too, but I’m not near the thought of firing him. But i’m down to start a poll on how to get a decent SF…cuz its badddd

by Young Rod on Nov 11, 2010 9:19 PM PST reply actions  

Well, the anti-coach sentiment is high.

It could be worse, you could be the Rockets. People are muttering about Adelman – you’d think he’d have longer than a seven game leash, but no.

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by Xiane on Nov 11, 2010 10:15 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

This comment speaks volumes

Thanks Xiane for this simple, and enlightening perspective

by betweentheeyes on Nov 11, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Adelman?!?

We need to hire that guy so we can fire him again.

Hmm, maybe that wasn’t such a great idea…

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by andy sims on Nov 11, 2010 11:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Still pretty early in the season

The team just needs to find some chemistry, cohesiveness, consistency, and some sense of identity.

Does a coach assist in the process? He certainly does. Somehow the Kings were able to play together coming from behind in every game they won this year. I wonder if they will play with such urgency for a full 48 minutes of NBA action.

And can Paul coach some free throw shooting into this team?

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by Hit4TheCycle on Nov 11, 2010 10:52 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think anyone is making a big enough deal about the free throw thing.

Against the Lakers and the Wolves in particular, we were not playing well overall but were still playing well enough that making a few more free throws would have changed the whole game. You still never know if we would have been able to ultimately win those games or others, but this team has enough issues to overcome without constantly putting themselves behind the 8 ball with free throws.

I obviously don’t know what Coach Westphal is or isn’t doing to address the free throw problem, but it clearly isn’t working. I worry and suspect, based on Westphal’s approach to other problems, that he feels like he can’t shoot the free throws for the guys and they should all know how to make a free throw by now, so all he needs to do is keep telling them that they need to do a better job with free throws and they need to listen to him. Even if it’s not quite that extreme, I think the team needs to address the free throw thing more directly and more forcefully. Bring in a free throw expert or a Sport Psychologist for an entire day of practice and have the guys work hard on completely changing their mental approach to free throws.

Other than team defense, free throw shooting is to me the issue that has been having the biggest impact on us losing games. The defensive issues could take most of the season to get fixed. I really believe the free throw issue could be fixed much quicker than that, and fixing it would pay huge dividends immediately.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 12, 2010 6:34 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I see a distinct lack of identity

I don’t PW is a bad coach which Natt certainly was but it doesn’t make sense to me that our young players haven’t really built on their play last year. I know that rebuilding is not a smooth and liner process but it makes little sense to me that Donté could come into camp twenty five pounds overweight and the coaching staff starts to deal with just before camp. They should have known in July.

I don’t know what each player was told at their end of season exit interviews or what plans were agreed on but once the exit interview was conducted I’ve heard nothing that would indicate that there was any team follow up other than LVSL. It was a subject we discussed a lot last season; Is the coaches primary function to develop the young players giving them as much game time burn as possible or is their primary duty to win as many games as possible? Shoot, we were discussing this when Reggie was coach.

Right now I haven’t seen the improvement I was expecting in the young players and with the way they are playing I’m not expecting a lot of wins. Of course the players have a responsibility but in my opinion this has to go back to coaching. The last thing this young team needs is another head coach but on the other hand if Westphal isn’t the coach to at least teach and develop our young players, then there is no better time to get rid of him then around the mythical 20 game mark when we are enough into the season to see what is really happening.

The fact that we are discussing this 7 games in is kind of sickening but it looks to me like something is wrong with this team.

It’s the players job to keep the coach happy, not the coach’s job to keep the player happy. - Paul Westphal quoted from The Purple Panjandrum

by Bluejohn on Nov 11, 2010 11:17 PM PST reply actions  

2 things i beg for

STOP PLAYING JT AT SMALL FORWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhggggggghhhhhhh i cant say it enough or scream it loud enough

and for better or for worse settle on a rotation and stick to it…

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by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 11, 2010 11:20 PM PST reply actions  

JT at SF is how we lost the games even when he didn't play that position.

This will be the main reason for the remaining 40-50 losses this year, too.

Ah, that’s right. No one remembers those conversations now. The plan is the plan is the plan. This team was effectively born last season, it is walking this season, and like anyone learning to walk, there will be stumbles. We might see some actual running before the season ends, but some of it will be full-speed into a brick wall.

Everyone bitches about the lack of continuity, youth, arena volatility, and everything else, but some of you are actually considering sacking the first decent coach we’ve had since Adelman because this non-playoff caliber team looks ragged and is losing games to some weak squads?

At the risk of invoking politics (and I will only glancingly) I would love to do a separate poll in which I was able to cross-reference the results to see if those who feel Westphal should be fired 7 games in also believe that 18 months is quick enough to dig the largest economy in the world out of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.

If those of you who think the incumbent should be canned have a better candidate to lead us to a brighter future, feel free to drop it here as a reply. Otherwise, at least admit you’re having a temper tantrum, and let’s talk hoops. I honestly don’t know if I can get through another season of a “TRADE KEVIN MARTIN” style siege that we went through last year.

Moderators: By all means delete this if you feel it’s over a line.

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by andy sims on Nov 12, 2010 12:21 AM PST up reply actions  

i dont think he should be fired at all

but some sort of consistency needs to be demanded from petrie or even ownership

its a young team and there will be growing pains… people always like to see “the kings are the new okc thunder” well mind u, the 1st 2 durant years the sonics, and then thunder won 20 and then 23 games, and scotty brooks became interim on the 14th game of the 23 win season.

it takes time to build chemistry and direction of a team and franchise. i think a lot of players dont have defined roles yet because they players are in early stages of development and, to a lesser degree, because westphal has yet to give said players (cousins, greene, whiteside, even caspi) specific roles on the team.

this is a process, and it will take some time. from the beginning ive believed that a high end prediction for this team would be 36 wins, with a late surge as they get some sort of chemistry going. they spoiled fans with 3 early wins (over bad teams which is no reason to overreact, but people DID overreact). last year they crawled, hopefully this year they walk.

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by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 12, 2010 2:40 AM PST up reply actions  

That's the key

There’s no “hot commodity” on the market that’s clearly a better option for this franchise at this time.

On the other hand, there may be a potential high-level head coach sitting on Westphal’s staff (Elie). That’s one of the reasons I’m fine with PW holding the reigns through the remainder of the season, but he should rightfully be on the “hot seat”.

This is big boy sports, and you have to win ballgames. If we’re still dropping games towards the end of the season at home to the likes of the Timberwolves, PW’s feet should be on the end of the plank.

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by otis29 on Nov 12, 2010 4:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Mario Elie
If those of you who think the incumbent should be canned have a better candidate to lead us to a brighter future, feel free to drop it here as a reply.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Nov 12, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

rick adelman

Westpaul gets how much to coach the Kings? I say we keep him , he is a Bargain and he is better than Mussleman , Theus , so on. and i say for the money Westphal is the best coach your going to find at that price. I really liked Rick Adelman and the only coach that comes near him as far as good coaching , is Westphal. it’s a no brainer you keep him.

by Beer_man on Nov 12, 2010 6:28 AM PST reply actions  

Staff help

I voted to get him some staff help. Now, I’m not exactly satisfied with his current performance, but (as others have already said) it’s too early to make any drastic changes. I voted for getting him staff help, simply because I believe the Kings could use more staff help regardless of their record. Get a team of folks dedicate to advanced statistical analysis. Bring in specialists to help with specific aspects of the game. But I’ll always advocate for those things, even if we were undefeated right now.

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by Exhibit G on Nov 12, 2010 7:06 AM PST reply actions  

Excellent point

Some high quality assistants could certainly help with team defense, and a more fluid offense, which are the two things that I yell at my television at during our games.

by MichaelMack on Nov 12, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Westphal's fine.

Folks will have to adjust their expectations some is all.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2010 9:01 AM PST reply actions  

I was

actually thinking about this after this last loss … when would anyone call for his head?

I don’t think you make any sort of change til after the season. Shouldn’t even be an issue right now.

by Dub_TC on Nov 12, 2010 9:53 AM PST reply actions  

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