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Opposing Small Forwards Feasting on Kings

The Kings have several problems leading to these three straight losses and an awful 1-3 home record. In today's column, The Bee's Ailene Voisin blames a lethargic, confused and ineffective offense. The offense certainly hasn't been creative during the homestand. But to me, the glaring problem is still defense. Specifically, it's perimeter defense. And it's hard to ignore what opposing starting small forwards have done to the Kings.

Here's a game-by-game look at what opposing small forwards have done to the Kings, what they've done on the season, and which Kings were responsible.

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* Game 1: Kings at Timberwolves -- Michael Beasley scores 17 points on 6-of-16 shooting. Donte Greene started and guarded Beasley much of the night. Omri Casspi spent about 12 minutes on Beasley, as well. The Kings did a fairly good job on Beasley, though he came alive in the fourth with Greene on him.

* Game 2: Kings at Nets -- Travis Outlaw scores 18 points on 5-of--9 shooting on the Kings. He is currently averaging 10 points a game on the season. Casspi started and played 20 minutes; Francisco Garcia took the small forward spot for much of the rest of the game, with Greene seeing just 3-1/2 minutes. The GameFlow shows that Outlaw dropped 13 of his 18 on Casspi in the first half in about 15 minutes of action. Outlaw scored a three on Garcia in nine minutes in the fourth, and hit some endgame free throws.

* Game 3: Kings at Cavaliers -- Small forward was not the problem, as Jamario Moon scored just seven points in 31 minutes on 3-7 shooting while Casspi went nuts for 20. Moon is averaging 6 points a game on the season. Casspi played 41 minutes, Greene just two seconds.

* Game 4: Raptors at Kings -- Linas Kleiza scored 18 points on 6-16 shooting in 34 minutes. Eleven of those points came in the third quarter. Casspi was yanked less than four minutes into the third after Kleiza had scored nine of those points on two three-pointers and three free throws earned when Casspi fouled Kleiza behind the arc. Jason Thompson replaced Casspi; Kleiza went 1-3 until Casspi re-entered with 2:35 left in the quarter. Casspi played solid defense on Kleiza from there. Kleiza is averaging 11.5 points a game this season.

* Game 5: Lakers at Kings -- Ron Artest scored 17 points on 7-11 shooting. Fifteen of those points were scored in the first and third quarters with Casspi guarding him. Artest is averaging 11 points on 41% shooting this season.

* Game 6: Grizzlies at Kings -- Rudy Gay scored 32 points on 11-19 shooting. Both Gay and Casspi played the entire first and third quarters. In those quarters, Gay scored 15 on 6-11 shooting and Casspi scored 10 on 4-9 shooting. Thompson defended Gay in the second quarter, and Gay scored eight points on 3-5 shooting. Thompson and Garcia defended Gay in the fourth, where the forward scored nine points on 3-5 shooting. Greene didn't play at all. Gay is averaging 25 points per game.

* Game 7: Wolves at Kings -- Michael Beasley scored a career-high 42. Greene finally got a shot -- he marked Beasley for four minutes in the first quarter. But let's back up: Casspi started the game on Beasley. The Wolf scored nine points on six shots in the opening 6-1/2 minutes of the game. Enter Greene. Beasley scores nine points in four minutes, using just four shots. Beasley lit up Greene, who exited and didn't see the court again. Beasley proceeded to score 24 more points in 31 more minutes, with Beasley's best remaining stretch coming in the second quarter with Thompson guarding him. Beasley scored well in the second half, but Casspi nearly matched him point-for-point. By the way, Beasley is averaging 18 points a game.

SUMMARY

In seven games, the opposing starting small forward has scored below his season average once: the opener against Minnesota.

In seven games, Donte Greene has started or played rotation minutes once: the opener against Minnesota.

Einstein, or Twain:

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Greene will not solve all the team's problems, and he might not even be a good perimeter defender. But given the simply awful results the status quo has given us in defending small forwards, perhaps it's worth a shot. 

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nice breakdown, Z.

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by Kfan in Korea on Nov 12, 2010 6:51 AM PST reply actions  

I am so pissed at myself

for not realzing this was another freakin’ Donte promo before I read most of it.
Alright you guys win. PW is so freaking stoopid that he doesn’t realize the all league defender can shut down everybody in the league. Its a wonder Paul finds his way to the Arena each day.

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by ElRonToro on Nov 12, 2010 7:45 AM PST reply actions  

maybe

we should have drafted Wesley Johnson, even though he wasn’t available. hahaha

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by TheFifthMookie on Nov 12, 2010 7:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe

You should read the last line.

by Tom Ziller on Nov 12, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey, I said before I read most of it

At work, I always had them put the most important stuff in the first 2 lines, because I never make it to the end of anything.
Frist…I hope Donte becomes an all star on the Kings.
But my issue is that I don’t like a lU that has him paired with Dalembart, as I don’t like his offense right now. He’s awkward with the ball in his hands and not a consisitent enough shooter to offset his RB woes, although he has been better this year in his 34 minutes.
I also don’t like him paired with Landry as with his own RB problems , it doesn’t matter how good Donte’s defense is the other team will get a million offensive RBS and get to shoot until it goes in.
I would like to see Donte paired on a front line of Dalembert Cousins and Greene.
That has a balance that I can live with, plus its kinda tall.

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by ElRonToro on Nov 12, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the point is to see what the alternatives are at the SF position

I don’t think TZ’s expecting any magic elixir out of Donté, but perhaps he could stop the bleeding there defensively.

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by otis29 on Nov 12, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Nicely done

There is one thing I would like to add. Last night I set out with the intent of tracking every point Beasley scored. My son decided to become a handful, so I wasn’t able to complete much of it, and I probably won’t try to finish the endeavor.

In the first quarter in particular, Beasley was simply playing very, very well. Casspi was on him most of the time, and was generally in his face, Beasley was just hitting his jumpers. The only big defensive lapse I saw was when Tyreke was on Beasley. Evans went for a steal, almost got it, but then failed to recover and get back on defense.

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by Exhibit G on Nov 12, 2010 7:51 AM PST reply actions  

I went back and watched the game again myself

And, like you said, Omri was right in Beasley’s face and Beasley was simply making well defended jumpers. Greene was similar, although he did give up a 3 while trying a stop an pass into Darko. What was more evident was that Beasley was driving right by JT. Which allowed him to get to the basket, where he doesn’t score as well as he has from outside. He’s shooting a very good 51% from long 2’s and has an eFG% of 62.6% from 3’s.

So while it looked like JT might of done the best job, by simply looking at the box scores. The truth is that Beasley was shooting out of his mind away from the basket, but had trouble with our help defense at the rim, after he beat his man.

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by HighTops on Nov 12, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

We were actually playing him exactly the way we should have at first

This from TZ’s first game preview:

More on Minnesota: expect heavy doses of Beasley, which will test Greene’s defense greatly. Beasley is an athletic fellow who loves his jumper way too much but can do dirty things at the rim. The key for Greene: keep Beasley shooting contested jumpers. Without Dalembert (and with low doses — if any — of Hassan Whiteside), the Kings lack a backstop to do anything but foul a driving Beasley. Beasley from the perimeter is far less likely to kill you than a slashing version of the kid.

That first game, Greene did a good job letting Beasley shoot those jumpers, and when Beasley finally did get going, it was because he began to take it to the basket. Remember, we didn’t have Dalembert.

The 2nd game, we did the same thing, but this time Beasley was simply unconcious from range, while he had trouble when he went inside due to Dalembert and JT. We wanted him to shoot those jumpers really, they were mostly long twos, one of the most inefficient shots in the game. But when someone is that hot, it’s hard to stop them. I still think we could have won if we had simply played with a plan on the offensive end.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 12, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

rec'd for effort and insight

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 12, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

The strategy after the half should have been to deny Beasley any touches - a strategy I failed

to detect unless I was missing something. He was on fire. They probably gambled that he would – as is frequently the case — cool off.

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by Natomaser on Nov 12, 2010 7:53 AM PST reply actions  

#FrééDonté

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by Aykis16 on Nov 12, 2010 8:20 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Donté

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by Exhibit G on Nov 12, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

That one made be laugh, reke'd

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by HighTops on Nov 12, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Note: Klieza/Toronto

6-16 isn’t lighting it up and Klieza played 34 minutes in that game, well above his average of 26. The other game game he played 35 plus minutes was against GS, he added 7 rebounds and 4 assists to his 20 points in that one.
He did go 3-8 from 3 pt range, much better than his average.

Beasley’s big game was an abberation (I think) that we could have dismissed by just scoring 100 points to win the game, it would have been a sidenote.

Rudy Gay (to my surprise) looks to be developing into a Star and has scored 30 + in two other games. Once again (not dismissing the post however) scoring more than 100 would have won the game.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2010 8:45 AM PST reply actions  

Kleiza averages 11.5 a game

He dropped nine on Omri in four minutes in the third. Casspi was otherwise solid, but you can’t just ignore that run.

by Tom Ziller on Nov 12, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd like to know if we were running a zone

when he hit those 3s. My opinion of Casspi’s D is that he tries hard, usually can stay in front of his man and has gotten better. ‘Gotten better’ may not be ideal but I just don’t think you bench guys when their oppponent gets hot for a few minutes. This is the NBA, almost everyone can get hot now and then and Klieza ( to my recollection) has always been a guy who does that, streaky scores in bunches.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Five of the six games he's started

With the outlier being Jamario Moon.

I don’t think it’d be rash to make a change now. It might not make a difference, and it could actually hurt O.C.‘s confidence, which isn’t good. But I think it’d be far from rash.

by Tom Ziller on Nov 12, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

As I've said elsewhere

how do we replace that scoring? And he and Cisco the only guys who even slightly scare anyone from the 3 point line. I just think spreading the floor and opening the paint is more important for both Tyreke and our bigs.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Greene

was as good a shooter as Casspi last year.

by Tom Ziller on Nov 12, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

You can sell Greene to me as a better defender

but a better scorer? That’s difficult. Last year is a year ago. This year, so far, Casspi has improved offensively. Greene did nothing this preseason to give the impression he could match Casspi in that respect.

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by RikSmits on Nov 12, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree, Casspi in a much better driving and creating off the dribble

and he’s quicker as well. But, for all of his strengths, he tries to much and often gets out of position trying to help defend and rebound. And, he ends up giving his man open looks, like he did with Kleiza.

Donte is the less flashy, and more stable defender. But, they both are young and inexperienced and will continue to make mistakes.

Unfortunately for Omri, PW doesn’t want a primary scorer at the 3 so some of Omri’s value as a scorer is lost. But, if he can continue to shoot 40+% from 3pt range, there is no doubt in my mind that he is our best SF. And, that he has a lot of room to grow. Hopefully, PW will let him.

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by HighTops on Nov 12, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

No we weren't playing zone, it was the start of the 3rd quarter and the starters were in

Omri was simply cheating off of Kleiza on the first 2 baskets, and then while cheat off again, Omri fouled Kleiza while trying to close out on the 3rd 3pt attempt in 2 minutes.

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by HighTops on Nov 12, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Westphal may have painted himself into a corner

The numbers don’t lie, Casspi just isn’t a good 1on1 defender (right now) but can he afford to switch back to Greene? Can you lead a team of young men if they (possibly) see you as an unsure flip-flopper?

What we really need is a lopsided trade to acquire Gerald Wallace.

by Kevin Conroy on Nov 12, 2010 8:55 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Wasn't Casspi our best 1 on 1 defender last year?

just sayin’

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by ElRonToro on Nov 12, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Casspi never got the tough defensive assignment though

That was Greene. So Greene’s defensive numbers look worse.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 12, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

So you're telling me numbers don't tell the whole story?

So have we just tossed TZ analysis out too?

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by ElRonToro on Nov 12, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

no, i think the message is that numbers have a context

& understanding that gives the numbers more meaning.

by Kevin Conroy on Nov 12, 2010 10:10 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Agree, everything needs context

I don’t want to be the Omri defender here but for context if on all the screens they set for Beasely, if our bigs would have stepped back about 3 feet Omri could have run through clean and they would also be available if Beasely turned the corner.
Of course the counter to this defense is that their big pops out and shoots.
Who would you rather having shooting, the red hot Beasely or , say Darko with a 18 footer?
I guess I’m saying my context is, when a small gets beat it may not have been all his fault.

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by ElRonToro on Nov 12, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Taken in context, I guess what TZ is saying is Omri's not the answer and

Donte isn’t the problem. Which makes Kevin’s comment that PW may have painted himself into a corner, one of the most enlightened comments in this whole discussion.

Your point that Omri did nothing wrong is correct. Except for a few lapses by various players, Beasley was well defended and had one of those games where players are unstoppable. But, the fact is that we’re getting beat by the SF’s, and if it’s not the defenders, and it’s not the opposing SF’s having outstanding games, then the problem must be elsewhere. Which means that it’s probably time for the coach to stop rotating players and come up with a better defensive scheme.

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by HighTops on Nov 12, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

What we really need is a lopsided trade to acquire Gerald Wallace.

Hey speaking of, just did that with my fantasy team! I would like to thank the overhype of Blake Griffin for that one.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 12, 2010 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

You lost in FG% and Rebounds

But your going to win in steals, blocks, threes, FT%. So good trade, fantasy wise.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 12, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

That though wasn't the entire trade

It was Wallace/Eric Gordon/Hedo for Griffin/JJ Hickson/Biedrins so I lost big time at rebounds but I had one guy at the SF and SG position (Just Iggy) and wanted to round out the roster a bit and get rid of the horrid free throw numbers from Griffin. Dropped Hedo immediately and using that spot to pick up players (can pick-up a max of 7 guys a week).

Trust me though, if you are in an auction do not pay big money for rebounds unless you know some secret about Yao’s foot being unbreakable or Gasol goes cheap and you have a time machine so you know he will play minutes late in the season and never ever ever ever touch Dwight Howard.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 12, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I've been clamoring for more Donté since the opener

I don’t know what he did to fall into Westphal’s doghouse, but both need to put it aside for the better of the team. Donté might not be THE answer, but dudé derserves a rotation spot. You know, if Paul Westphal believed in rotations or situational basketball

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by Muff209 on Nov 12, 2010 9:02 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Absolutely, it's time for another Westphal Shuffle during the player into.

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by HighTops on Nov 12, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Donte isn't the answer.

A player in a trade is. I submit Tayshaun Prince. (But I wouldn’t mind Marvin Williams either.) Yet, we’ve gone over this before.

Players iz what they iz. Kings don’t got that player at the SF spot for what they need. They’ll have to find that answer elsewhere, and it’s quite possible that answer doesn’t come at all this year.

Hence a 35-40 win team.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2010 9:07 AM PST reply actions  

If this is the same type of performance we see all through November

I would definitely be looking at lowering expectations way below 35 wins (when I say same type of performance I don’t necessarily mean Ws and Ls but more the advanced stats stuff)

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 12, 2010 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

It's hard to say. Sometimes better competition brings better consistency.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I believe that to be true

especially with teams/people who lack focus

by MichaelMack on Nov 12, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Ha!

You think we’re a 35-40 win team, playing like this?

Right now, with the way we’re playing, we’re in trouble of not reaching last year’s win total.

We’re on the easiest part of our schedule, and we’re 3-4 so far. Not totally bad, but it is kinda bad when you realize that we’ve been down by double digits in EVERY SINGLE GAME so far this year, and (going off memory here, not completely sure, but pretty sure) we haven’t held a double digit lead over an opponent at any point yet in this young season. That’s disturbing to me. Very disturbing.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 12, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Right, we need to start playing much better and soon

We could turn that corner any day, we have the talent but . . . . the lack of confidance the last few games was as you said, disturbing.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think we lack confidence

I think we lack cohesion and any sort of plan on offense, as well as a porous perimeter defense. Sure, Dalembert will block a few shots and alter some more, but he can’t be the only line of defense.

On offense, as I’ve mentioned before, the three big lineup with JT at the three means we have exactly one perimeter shooter on the floor, meaning defenses clog the lane, Tyreke can’t do what he wants, our bigs can’t do what they want, and we have less of a chance for a three or an offensive rebound.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 12, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Dispite that extra size

we’re not winning the paint battles definitively either. I think we may need to try starting Cisco at the 2 guard and staying with Casspi more to spread the floor for both Tyreke and our Bigs. Let’s get the starting unit going, it’s nice our bench is pretty much dominating but . . . .

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by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

The Kings have not been ahead by 10 points?

That would be bad, but I think they were against Cavs.

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by bench_blob on Nov 12, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok, we've had ONE lead by double digits

We had an 11-1 run against Cleveland in the 4th quarter, going up 105-94. That was a Cleveland team without Mo Williams, that we were down by 16 too.

Still not good.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 12, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

No I don't think they are a 35-40 win team playing like they currently are.

But I do think they can get it together over time and play better competition more competitively than they have weaker competition in the present.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Can someone answer me this?

Why the hell are our guys double teaming the post when we have centers like Sammy and Boogie? You mean to tell me that they can’t defend the paint without help? Our small forwards would defend better if they stayed on their own man.

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by SayWhat? on Nov 12, 2010 9:18 AM PST reply actions  

I have not watched many games

but would not be shocked at all if Boogie needs help down low

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 12, 2010 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

He doesn't, except against the best of big men

He’s doing everything pretty much correctly but guys just ‘out veteran’ him from time to time. Big men more than anyone needs to know and understand opponents tendancies – and that takes experience.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

His defense has surprisingly not been as bad as I thought it would be

He has a natural ability to draw charges (although the rookie bias has caused him a few bad calls on that so far), and he plays with his hands straight up more often than not. He’s pretty physical, which has led to a lot of fouling, but I think that will tone down with experience.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 12, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Big men at the college level just don't have the moves

that even mediocre big men at the NBA level have.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I would think the Kings want to make sure he gets paired up defensively against most centers

given most centers kind of suck offensively in the league right now, he would usually be able to handle his own against the average centers. I would think though he would get killed by a lot of power forwards.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 12, 2010 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

The only reason I can think of is to keep Cousins out of foul trouble by forcing his man to give up the ball

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by HighTops on Nov 12, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess my take on this post is

If you looked at this team before the season I don’t think you thought we were going to win games at the SF spot. I’m not convinced we’ve lost more than one game there.

We were supposed to dominate the paint, beat opponents down and have Tyreke overpower other guards. So the question is not I think ‘are we getting beat at the 3 spot’ but rather ‘why are we not winning more games in the paint’.

Most of the problem is I think Landry (especially) and JT at the PF’s and paint play in general. The bigs scoring is waaay down from what we expected and the rebounding isn’t great either. I know the recent lineup changes and JT supposedly at the 3 confuse that but . . . . Seriously, Isn’t that where we thought we’d be winning those extra 10 games?

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2010 9:40 AM PST reply actions  

Landry has been terrible lately

But he has at least shown glimpses (22/11 @ Minny; 8 for 11 in win @ Cavs). All the fuss has been over Donte showing up to camp out of shape, but Landry appears almost as culpable with his play. Disappointing but I think he will get it together.

I propose two moves to jump start this team:
(1) Start Cisco @ SG. Add Beno as playmaker to second unit, and add more defense and shooting to starting lineup.
(2) Bench JT for 10 games, minimum. This team needs to shorten the rotation to build cohesion. JT is odd man out. DJ gets all his minutes as superior post defender and scorer. Cisco and Donte play backup @ SF.

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by bench_blob on Nov 12, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Casspi also should be benched for 10 games, minimum

This team needs to shorten the rotation to build cohesion. Casspi is odd man out. Garcia gets all his minutes as superior defender and scorer. Donte plays backup at SF.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 12, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Tyreke should be benched for 10 games, minimum

That’ll teach him to foul out, and lets us run a Beno/Cisco backcourt, securing a strong run for both Omri and Greene at SF

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by TheFifthMookie on Nov 12, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

StR can't watch or read anything Kings for 10 games

but we can still make up crap to write

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by ElRonToro on Nov 12, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

My wife regulary benches me for 10 days . . . .

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by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

You must still be in the early years of marriage

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by otis29 on Nov 12, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

hopefully you get some rope play out of that

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by TheFifthMookie on Nov 12, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think JT is the problem

(but I know you have a thing there)
 If you look above I think you’ll see Aykis and I agree that perhaps we need to start Cisco and leave Casspi in for God’s sake in order to spread the floor and open the paint for our bigs and Tyreke as well. I think opponents are clogging the paint – and so are we – and we need to open things up and see what happens with the offense at that point.
We need to worry a little less about the bench until we get the starters going better.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn't imagine us winning in the low post.

Dalembert isn’t a scoring threat, and I doubt anyone really expected DeMarcus to stay out of foul trouble long enough to produce big numbers. Now, rebounding wise, I expected us to be one of the leading rebounding teams which should have lead to fast break pts and 2nd chance points.

What is and has been in question, is the ability of our guards to probe the defense to set up our bigs for easy shots. Beno is most likely to give up the dibble before even crossing the 3pt arc, and until this season Tyreke isn’t likely to stop before he gets to the basket once he starts his drive.

Looking at the turnovers, you expect your main ball handlers like Beno & Tyreke to lead the team in to’s. What has been frustration to me is that we give the ball up to the bigs 15-20 feet from the basket and their trying to create their own shot and end up turning over the ball. Jackson is probably the only big who knows his limitations, and actually moves the ball. DeMarcus, JT, and Landry all think that their SG’s with a slashers mentality.

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by HighTops on Nov 12, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Omri has the potential to be very good defender

He has quickness and length and desire and he can get through picks. He can play passing lanes. He tends to get muscled in the paint and needs to play stronger there.

But the problem I see is that Omri tries to shut down his man all on his own. Can’t do that. Omri needs to know where his help defense is on the floor and funnel players that way. He concedes too many perimeter shots when he would be better off pressuring player into drive and into help defense, i.e. Dalembert or into the middle of the floor. He needs to be worry less about getting beat off the dribble and instead force guys to make plays.

The other issue is slacking off his man to offer help. He sometimes gets caught rotating when he shouldn’t. He should stick to his own assignment more, especially when it is player like Gay or Beasley. But this is just normal learning curve for young player. I expect Omri to become a good defender with consistent playing time. All the tools are there.

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by bench_blob on Nov 12, 2010 9:49 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

LOL, that last part is similar to my post, about his help D

we have a different view on his ability to fight through screens, though.

Excellent point on knowing where his help D is, and how to funnel.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on Nov 12, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

His ability - or his experience at it?

That’s the question. As Blob says above, I think he has the tools.
Remember, in the current NBA scoring seems to be dominated by wings and PGs, that’s where most of the great players are playing and it takes time . . . .

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

ability is what he can do now

what he might be able to do because of his physical and mental attributes is potential, or “Upside”. Big difference.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on Nov 12, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

But yes

it takes time.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on Nov 12, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I just don't believe we really have that other option

We need Casspi to score points as no one else seems to be doing it lately. I don’t know how we take him out after only scoring 89 and 91 points . . . .

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

The numbers show Casspi has a problem on D

That is clear. He still has a lot to lear, although I think he is a bit stronger and faster than last season. In some instances, he played decent D, but his opponent scored with Omri’s hand in his face.

He has two big problems, IMO:
- the pick & roll, which is also partly a team problem, but he has to do a better job to fight through screens;
- knowing when to sag off his man for help defense and when not to.

Maybe a change will not be a bad idea.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on Nov 12, 2010 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

I agree

but the bigs also have to show stronger on screens, they are not even slowing guys down. The chaser has no chance until they do.

There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on Nov 12, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

How come no one has mentioned the best perimeter defender on the team?

Antoinne Wright. I was all for giving Donte & Omri minutes but losing to the T-Pups sucks. FREE WRIGHT!!!

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Nov 12, 2010 10:53 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Antoine instead of Omri/Donté?

I was always taught that two wrongs don’t make a Wright.

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by section214 on Nov 12, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

young guys are vulnerable on defense...we need to be patient and give this team time to gel and develop

NBA team defense is the lone known exception to the Einstein theorem.

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by Holmdel on Nov 12, 2010 12:53 PM PST reply actions  

Don't tell us tell Westphal

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by HighTops on Nov 12, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

This has already been alluded to

but what about starting Cisco at the 2 with Casspi at the 3, and have Cisco defend the better wing player? Maybe Casspi would get eaten alive by some opposing SGs, but I’d say it’s worth a shot. Honestly, right now it doesn’t seem like any minutes given to Cisco are wasted minutes.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 12, 2010 4:33 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe that's the change PW is actually going to implement.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

On second thought, though, I'd be a little scared by that in a way

since Beno seems like he sometimes can be a little sensitive to those things. It’s not worth the change if WaBeno reverts back to SuckBeno. I suppose you can’t make lineup decisions based on not wanting to upset your 3rd or 4th best player, but I guess I’m a little hesitant to take Beno’s production and consistency for granted.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 12, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

If Beno is so sensitive to a lineup switch where he's coming off the bench...

….then Beno is too sensitive.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

I think winning would certainly help that and any other situations with player attitudes.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 12, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

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