Stein: Hawks Declined Jason Thompson-Jeff Teague Swap
Geoff Petrie has previously denied shopping Thompson.
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Teague is interesting
But do we want to get even younger? I suppose all of this would make more sense if we knew the front office’s intention in regard to Landry and Dalembert beyond this season.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
I think the team has shown that they really like both Dalembert and Landry
and I don’t think it’s unlikely that they keep both. Landry in particular, I get the feeling that there’s almost no way the Kings will be outbid for him and it will pretty much be a matter of Landry wanting to stay or leaving for greener (though not richer) pastures elsewhere. As for Dally, I’d say it will depend a lot on his price, and his understanding that he’d likely be at most our 3rd big, maybe 20 minutes a game, for the foreseeable future. I also think the team would be willing to include Dalembert in a trade this season if it brings them something that they really want.
There really is only room in the frontcourt for three key players getting significant minutes moving forward. Cousins is obviously one of them. Landry, it seems to me, is all-but-locked into another. And then there’s Whiteside. I’m willing to bet that the team’s current dream future includes Cousins and Whiteside developing into a dominant starting frontcourt (with Landry the super scoring 6th man). The question, then, is whether Dally is worth the investment to fill a role as a savvy vet who will be expected to contribute on the court as well as teach the young bigs what he can, anchor the defense until the young guys catch up a bit, and ultimately make way for Hassan as he develops. Again, a lot will depend on what other teams are offering for him. But I think the Kings definitely need someone to fill that role, or they’ll be even more terrible for a couple of years (something the organization can ill afford, in my mind). I think Dalembert fills that role as well as any alternatives out there.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 15, 2010 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you are right on Stupid
With the current CBA coming to an end on July 1 who knows what Daly is worth. Eric Dampier, with a similar skill set but 5 years older has been offered between $ 1-2 mil and is taking his time signing with another team after his agreement with Huston fell through. I’m guessing that Dalembert will end up getting something like a 3 year deal @ $4-5 mil but who knows. It probably makes sense to see how he does this season before we resign him with the Kings. Regardless how this all shakes out the Kings are well positioned with either the most or second most projected cap space at seasons end. That also affords the team with an opportunity to rent out their cap space by the trade deadline and maybe pick up a player we wouldn’t have ordinarily had a chance at.
It’s the players job to keep the coach happy, not the coach’s job to keep the player happy. - Paul Westphal quoted from The Purple Panjandrum
I think you are right on Stupid.
Best sentence ever written or the best-est sentence ever written?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 15, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
my sentiments exactly
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
I really think Landry is the one that should be traded, not Thompson.
Once we are a competitive team, I don’t really think Landry or Thompson are the answer, mostly because Thompson is more of a role player and because I don’t think Landry is what the Kings need from their starting PF. Landry also has more value and could bring back more in a trade. He could also leave in FA, so we should try to get something for him while we can. But it’s premature, a trade shouldn’t happen till closer to the deadline.
by 8thInningWeirdness on Nov 15, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
I don't really see how this would have made the Kings a better team
Maybe two Heads are better than one? That’s what Teague looks like, another Head.
This was my thoughts exactly
The last thing we need to add to this team is another NaPG
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Timing
If this were an off season conversation, the inquiry about Teague may have taken place prior to the signing of Head.
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Makes sense
Beno and Tyreke are a good starting tandem, and Garcia plays well as the back-up two, but Head and Jeter have not been consistent off the bench. Head has been good in spurts, but primarily at trying to create his own offense.
Never forget, I'm an idiot.
To clarify
I’m not saying whether or not the trade itself makes sense, just that the notion of shopping JT for a back-up PG makes sense.
Never forget, I'm an idiot.
No kidding
Much of a chance? None, must be Heads D I guess.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2010 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe this was a deal discussed before the season even began
From yesterday’s Bee:
Petrie said he’s had talks with other team executives in general terms but has said it’s too early in the season to make moves unless it pertains to talks from the offseason.
Maybe Petrie/Westphal have seen this frontcourt minutes-crunch coming down the road for a while and decided to try to “sell high” on Thompson before we got into the season having to either play JT out of position or not play him at all..
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 15, 2010 6:32 AM PST reply actions
This deal could have been discussed before the Hawes trade as well.
Never under estimate the power of old news hiding on a shelf somewhere. I have a hard time believing that the Kings would not only trade a big for a small but the small has never shown that he is an NBA player while the big averaged 12.5 and 8.5 last season. Now if we were talking JT and Donté for Collison before the Indiana trade tehn I could see something like this but Teague? Really?
The world is not your Trade Machine.
-Ziller
One common note
The front office AKA Maloof’s have a penchant for sounding the trumpets in regard to the future then quickly change their minds. As the article pointed out the Hawes/Thompson tandem, Kmart, the revolving coaches door etc… then the WTF are you doing promoting DMC as the next “IT” before he has played one game… the ownership has been nothing short of inept. They fall in love with a notion like a needy chick then quickly turn to the latest flavor and sing how great that one is.
The speed of the leader determines that of the pack…
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
by kromeace on Nov 15, 2010 6:51 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Ridiculous
No offense, but to argue the Kings management shouldn’t have been excited about DMC is silly. Maybe the banners are a bit much, but c’mon. I hated that they never promoted Martin much, so I’m glad Reke and Cousins are getting push.
by Tom Ziller on Nov 15, 2010 8:37 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
um
it’s called marketing … that’s it.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 15, 2010 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
Not so much marketing
As looking stupid bragging about a player or combination there of, to quickly turn around and say it sucks and we have a better idea “Lookey Here”! They fling crap against a wall hoping for something to stick… they do not stick to any plan, they do not have a plan, and if you do not have a plan you plan to fail. Feel free to show me all the recent success we have had, I am willing to eat crow (have all the spices and BBQ ready in the wings)
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
I'm sorry but
when did the Kings say “it sucks”? Plus, you and I hardly have any clue what the Kings front office really thought of Hawes or JT or Kevin Martin or even Tyreke. Pretty darn sure there were grumblings about Hawes and JT over the last two years that were not even all that secret.
You are getting upset because the team tried to market the team as up and coming with young players already on the team. What, were the Kings supposed to say “Hey, don’t pay attention or buy tickets for another 4 years, we are still working out the kinks!”
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 15, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, sounds like kromeace thinks the Kings should have marketed their team in Bizarro world
“Hey, we suck. We’re going to continue to suck. Beer and parking is still going to be insanely expensive. We’re not really sure WTF we’re going to do with this current group of young players and have no clue if the coach we hired is getting enough oxygen in the brain. But come out to the arena anyways, maybe we’ll sneak out a win against a shitty team!”
Criticize management all you want for the moves (or lack of moves), but pissing and moaning about the team attempting to put a happy face on the marketing side is STUPID.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
by otis29 on Nov 15, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Krome’s Marketing Slogan:
Come Watch Yao Ming’s Former Teammate (Luther Head):
Cheer along with 100 Million Chinese.
Here We Rice!
I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year. - Aug 2010. [Current: 6.0 PPG 4 RPG]
by bench_blob on Nov 15, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair...
“The speed of the leader determines that of the pack” and “if you fail to plan you plan to fail” are pretty convincing and effective motivational posters used by the managers in my office.
What kromeace is trying to get at is that the Kings spent money on the wrong building-sized posters!
by Gabraham on Nov 15, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I don't see any response to this gem that really nails it ...
they do not stick to any plan, they do not have a plan, and if you do not have a plan you plan to fail.
… and you want to call this guy STUPID? Good luck with that.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
by NewEraKings on Nov 15, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Hasn't the plan been to deconstruct and reconstruct?
I really see this as fan impatience, and that’s fine, as everyone has a different tolerance level when it comes to how much suckitude they can endure.
We’ve been over this ad nauseum. The Kings needed time to get out of the contracts that they tied themselves into when they were trying to remain playoff competitive. They have now done that and have begun to rebuild over the past couple of years. However, when you rebuild with youth, it is going to take time – does anyone think that Evans or Cousins are finished products?
Have their been errors and mis-steps along the way? Certainly. But to say that a plan is not in place is just not correct, in my opinion. Whether or not it is a good plan is certainly open for debate, but the Kings are smack dab in the middle of their plan – out with the old and in with the new.
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by section214 on Nov 15, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
They might have a plan
and it’s the execution that sucks.
A lot of it has to do with Westphal’s mismanagement style. He starts the season with Donte as the starting SF, and in a matter of a week he’s racking up DNPs. Landry is a beast down low, and he puts him outside and cuts his minutes to less than 20 for a few games. He plays JT at the 3. He takes guys out just as they starting to jell. He plays 12-13 guys, and nobody can establish a rhythm.
I’ve used Atlanta and Oklahoma City in the past as teams that have developed a core group and added pieces while improving. But the Kings seem to like to shuffle the deck instead of giving something a chance to work.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
by NewEraKings on Nov 15, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Ever thought that the likes of Hawes and JT in reality might not have been all that great to begin with?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 15, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
No doubt that they have made some errors along the way
Some like to compare us to Portland, and they have made some mistakes along the way as well. And there are those that question the long-term investment of Joe Johnson in Atlanta. OKC is certainly on the right track, helped mightily by one Kevin Durant.
The issue for the Kings is that every error is magnified, as they really have little room for error. That said, I still like the path that they are on. I sure liked the path when camp opened, and a couple of poorly played games is probably not enough to sway me into thinking differently.
I have to throw one in here concerning Landry. A lot of folks have talked about him shooting the jumper as a bad thing, but he needs to take (and make) that shot to create the space that he needs to operate down low. Otherwise, he is just a smallish interior guy trying to carve out a living under the basket. I’d like to see him take a few fewer shots from mid-range, and I’d like to see him get fed a little more in the low post. But I see that as a small adjustment, not a mismanagement of Landry’s talents.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
I'm ok with the mid range jumper
‘mid range’, I’m not fine with 22 footers or when he doesn’t balance those jumpers equally with paint shots.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed, and I'm also not ok with him taking 3 times as many long 2's to shots at the rim
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Agreed 100%
I would like to see that ratio tweaked a bit. I think that some of it is also Cousins or Dalembert vacating the low post. I’ve seen several occasions where Landry has drawn his man out, but the middle is clogged with another Kings big man and that man’s defender.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
This is another reason I would really like Prince.
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I like Prince to, his music is great but I can't understand the words
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
by HighTops on Nov 15, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well that Prince is pretty good, too.
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Isn't that what I said?
Well, that’s what I meant
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
How stupid is Miami feeling then???
They’ve marketed the big 3 as Gods gift to basketball but with a 6-4 start they are hardly that. The Kings Marketed the anticapation of the duo not necessarily the winnablity of the pair. The huge banner is a little over done but the idea is solid. Marketing 101
F#ck Kobe Bryant.
F#ck Shaquille O’Neal
F#ck Phil Jackson
F#ck Rick Fox (twice)
F#ck Sasha Vujacic
F#ck Robert Horry
F#ck Derek Fisher
F#ck Dick Bavetta, Bob Delaney and Ted Bernhardt – I’m still waiting for them to have their jerseys retired at Staples.
F#ck Every Laker fan who comes to Arco Arena, wears his hat sideways and stands up and cheers with his arms out and his back to the floor whenever Kobe scores a basket.
Oh, and F#ck Jack Nicholson, Dyan Cannon, and that silver haired douchebag wearing the snakeskin boots.
Who’d I miss?
by B-RAD on Nov 15, 2010 12:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If it is over done...
…then it is not solid marketing plan.
Poor marketing is marketing a product to the hilt that has not been tested in any manner, that is the recipe for failure and truly looking STUPID… a word so many of you like to toss around.
My point was not so much about MARKETING as it was the lack of direction (AKA a solid plan) Ownership says one thing then turns 180 with statements later on, and PW switches gears faster then Lance Armstrong! In over a year he has yet to have a stable rotation or concept. The Maloof’s are only concerned with cutting the salary rather then giving the fans something truly worth a damn to watch… the evidence is there to convict them in the public court of law.
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
What has ownership says and then turned 180 on?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 15, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, I'm confused on this as well
Seems like they’ve been saying “We’re getting new players in and they’re going to be great someday”.
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Nov 15, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Right, but then we murdered those great players and adopted a new strategy of eternal suckitude.
See, a perfect 180.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
by Holmdel on Nov 15, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Brilliant Holmdel.
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Huh?
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Nov 15, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
Here we shrink
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 15, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
....
So maybe I am just too frustrated and cannot let go… however when you sign a player to a 5-6yr contract bragging about them being a corner stone, then throw them under the bus and trade em shortly there after, I call that a 180 (yeah I miss Kevin) They talked about Thompson/Hawes being the future, turned 180 on that too. They talk so damn highly about all their trades (particularly when it just a move for cap space) and how much better the club will be (I understand that saying they will still suck is not a SMART idea either), then that/those players are poorly used or hardly played then shipped out or let go. I guess I am just tired of the revolving door on players and coaches… good teams do not seem to have that problem, and constant churning is not much of a solution either (the team is not fun to watch nor good)
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
The Lakers change players throughout their roster.
It’s easy to not turn over your roster while you have Lamar Odom, Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum among others. But the Lakers turned over their roster a lot to be able to get all those players. No team stays the same forever and quite frankly, I think your expectation that you know who the players will be year in year out doesn’t go along with the fact that professional sports has turnover. In short, I think your being naive.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
with KMart, I think it would only be a true 180, organizationally if...
…the organization had said: “This guy is going to be our cornerstone EVEN IF he misses consecutive half-seasons with injuries, makes no meaningful progress as a defender, and sulks to the point of forgetting how to hit open jumpers once we add another talented guard to the backcourt.” I don’t remember mgmt saying that, but if so, yes, that would constitute a heartwrenching betrayal.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Thank you, someone had to say it
F#ck Kobe Bryant.
F#ck Shaquille O’Neal
F#ck Phil Jackson
F#ck Rick Fox (twice)
F#ck Sasha Vujacic
F#ck Robert Horry
F#ck Derek Fisher
F#ck Dick Bavetta, Bob Delaney and Ted Bernhardt – I’m still waiting for them to have their jerseys retired at Staples.
F#ck Every Laker fan who comes to Arco Arena, wears his hat sideways and stands up and cheers with his arms out and his back to the floor whenever Kobe scores a basket.
Oh, and F#ck Jack Nicholson, Dyan Cannon, and that silver haired douchebag wearing the snakeskin boots.
Who’d I miss?
by B-RAD on Nov 15, 2010 8:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
nbrans
Your reaction is slightly more subdued than I otherwise would have assumed.
by rbiegler on Nov 15, 2010 8:37 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Well, we're talking about a guy who is barely shooting 40%
And happens to be the greatest point guard in the league.
Would have been nice.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Nov 15, 2010 8:00 AM PST reply actions
Why the hell would the Kings want Teague?
Makes no sense to me.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And one other point
Why would the Kings really want Teague? He’s not better than Cisco or Beno right now.
I have no doubt that Teague can develop because that does happen (although in Teague’s case he’d better start showing it soon). But in my view, and I’ve stated that I think JT is definitely tradeable, why would the Kings want to swap Teague for JT? Whats in it for the Kings?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
"I have no doubt that Teague can develop because that does happen"
There’s your answer. If they think he’d fit well with Tyreke down the line while playing good defense, that’s a reason to be interested. Whether it’s worth Thompson is another question entirely.
Not a very good answer.
I wouldn’t trade for Teague at this point based solely on potential.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Now if you told me it was Avery Bradley....
…then I might agree with you.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Won't work under the salary cap.
Yes, I know the Kings are under the cap but the Celtics aren’t. Thus, the trade can’t be accomplished.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
just the starting point
I’d argue that they should include someone like Big Baby, and we could sweeten from there…
They won't do that.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And one other point.
Marc Stein is the same guy who reported DeMarcus Cousins’ issues. Is he a reliable source on this Teague rumor? Maybe he is and maybe he’s not. Stein is neither stupid nor should be ignored really.
On the other hand, he has to spout bogus info at some point. Every guy in his position is bound to since so many teams throw out bullshit info as it is.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Don't see much reason to say Stein is not realiable based on the Cousins issue thing
I think the substance of that report was probably pretty accurate: Cousins has been fined recently and a veteran scout over the summer warned Stein the risk of “two divas” based solely on the “tales and hints of Cousins’ volatility and immaturity.”
Of course, one might question how big a deal the fine was, how long ago is recent, and one can also really question why we really care about what a veteran scout thinks about rumors floating around.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 15, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think Stein is an idiot.
But I don’t think Teague is a particularly strong candidate to target either.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
JT for Thornton and filler?
Haven’t looked to see if this is even doable, but it would give the Kings another young guard to possibly build around while opening up the frontcourt.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
I speculated on this last week
The only trade that I got to work was
Quincy Poindexter
Thornton
for JT (+ future pick)
The Hornets are over the cap so they have to take more salary back.
I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year. - Aug 2010. [Current: 6.0 PPG 4 RPG]
No the Kings would have to take more salary back for the Hornets to do a deal.
I dont see the Hornets taking on more tax while moving Thornton. Sorry.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Thornton wouldn't solve the defensive issues the Kings are having.
He’s a scorer plain and simple that isn’t playing much for the Hornets for those same reasons.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Not playing much for an undefeated team might mean
He’d be a starter for us. He couldn’t be worse than what we are putting on the floor right now, and he’s younger and cheaper.
Right now our offensive issues are as big a problem as defense, Meanwhile, the starter at the 2 is one of the worst defending guards in the league, so caqn we really get worse?
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
by NewEraKings on Nov 15, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Oh yes because Thornton has a ton to do with the Hornets being undefeated.
By his not playing, he in turn is making the Hornets better with his not playing. So we need to get a guy who can score to complement our main young star whose greatest ability is to get to the basket and, you know, score. Am I reading this right? Because we can’t get worse, we must go out and get Marcus Thornton.
Dude, why don’t you get a cart and put on automatic robotic control so you can slaughter the horse and eat the meat. That’s essentially what you’re suggesting when you say acquire Marcus Thornton.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Is somebody renting your body for a week?
Dude, why don’t you get a cart and put on automatic robotic control so you can slaughter the horse and eat the meat.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Nope.
I’m just stupid.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Heck why would the Hawks want JT is what I want to know
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 15, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
In the playoffs
The Celts will abuse them inside over 7 games. It’s all about the playoffs.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
yeah JT wouldn't change that
and they would be awfully shallow at guard
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 15, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Because our team speed sucks
And Teague is really fast.
And he can shoot. He is playing better this year, though the numbers aren’t impressive. Last year was a struggle from SG to PG, but he looks pretty good in the time I have watched him. The Hawks project Teague as their starting PG once Bibby retires.
I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year. - Aug 2010. [Current: 6.0 PPG 4 RPG]
True, but one player is barely 5'10
The other is 6’2". Among other differences in talent.
Buy hey, I’d like to see Pooh get to play too.
I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year. - Aug 2010. [Current: 6.0 PPG 4 RPG]
Sorry about that...
I suggest Pepto Bismol.
"......but Curry had a better TS%"
by kwill on Nov 15, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I think it's interesting that
Now that we have DMC, our kings fans want to trade away JT! I <3 JT! I think he plays with energy and he has one thing we can’t teach…size! Right now Laundry is better than JT, but I’m just afraid that if we bank on Laundry we will end up with a Utah vs Lakers situation where our 6 foot 8 “bigs” just can’t compete with LA’s 7 footers! Now DMC is big I give him that, but DMC can’t out rebound, Pau, Bynum and Lamar! Not saying that JT is our answer but at least he’s the same hight and has an equal chance at getting the rebound. I remember watching Boozer getting shutdown simply because Pau was a lot bigger! He would just grab the ball over Boozers head! Bynum would block him w/o jumping! And Boozer top 10 pf? Laundry isn’t a top 15 PF, at least JT is the same size!
I like Thornton, and Teague but I feel in 3 years we will need some hight, I don’t want to be like the suns, grizz or Utah and that we are a Big man away from winning it all when had him all along! Now, not saying JT is the answer, hell I’m not saying I wouldn’t trade him, But for Thornton or Teague? I wouldn’t……Unless it’s later in the season and it’s obvious we’re getting another big man in the draft
People seem to mis-understand the Lakers' size advantage. They are a large team.
But right now, so are we. The Kings are HUGE. And on a good day, we are mediocre.
The difference is, the Lakers are an INCREDIBLE team, that also happens to be large. They beat the Jazz because they are much better than the Jazz, not because they are taller. They went after Gasol/Bynum/Odom because they are all very good players that have complimentary playing styles, not because they are 7-footers.
If you focus your team’s long term strategy around “being big”, it’s not going to work out well. I’m not saying I want JT gone, because I love his hustle, and I think he can add to the team. But we need talent.
If they’re also really tall, that’s a bonus.
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by tomroadrunner on Nov 15, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
The Kings now have 5 player at least 6'11"
Going into the season I thought this would be a major advantage but now it’s looking like a non factor. Why are we no longer using our size to our advantage like the Lakers do?
Because our 7 footers aren't as skilled as theirs are. See my above comments.
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
by tomroadrunner on Nov 15, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
What Tom said
Being big does not always equal being good. (i know, TWSS).
Also, very impressive EPPR (exclamation point punctuation ratio) of 10:4. Keep up the good work
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by doogman77 on Nov 15, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I believe GP
I’d guess New Orl called about someone else and we may have countered with the JT = Teague idea. There’s always lots of talking but little usually happens early in the season as we all know. Hell, it could have been JT’s or Teague’s agent that brought the idea up as Jerry Reynolds suggested, not either team.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
Isn't Teague on ATL?
It’s the players job to keep the coach happy, not the coach’s job to keep the player happy. - Paul Westphal quoted from The Purple Panjandrum
Right
Substitute the ATL, same thought though.
(that Marcus Thornton thing running through my head)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
my thoughts exactly
and since landry seems to be the topic of convo, am i the only one who REALLY wants to see him in a kings uni for a long time?
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 15, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
I am with you
Low post workhorse are hard to come by, we were without one for 2+ seasons when Artest left. And I feel like the last two games of 20/9 at 50%+ for Landry are normal type games for him. He can play better. When he is getting the ball in spots he should, and it is collective responsibility, team and his, to make that happen, 20/9 is a pretty standard outing.
I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year. - Aug 2010. [Current: 6.0 PPG 4 RPG]
and the coach obviously believes in him
the 3 plays the kings run when they REALLY need a basket are cousins in the post, reke iso, and the play where they get landry the ball by the baseline and give him space to operate.
efficient scoring big men dont grown on trees, and he brings a certain toughness to the team they havent had in a very long time.
and hes only 27
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 15, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Perhaps a toughness on offense
but not on the boards, and not on defense. I think he is going to be easy to re-sign because I dont think a lot of teams are going to think he is worth 8-10 mill a year.
by MichaelMack on Nov 15, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
We always think OUR guys are worth more than they really are
while we’re quick to find every flaw on the guys on the other teams.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
by NewEraKings on Nov 15, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Depends on the person and the player
Pretty sure there was more than a few around here last year that would’ve swapped Hawes for Speights straight up, and yet now that they are on the same team Spencer starts and plays more minutes.
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by Kfan in Korea on Nov 15, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Is Speights backing up Hawes?
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Speights is backing up Hawes
But neither one of them is getting a ton of minutes (Spencer 16, Speights 10). Battie gets a few minutes, too, but it seems that Philly is playing a lot with Brand in the middle with a lot of wings and guards.
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With Brand becoming something near an All-Star...
….is it that bad of an idea?
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No
They’re playing their talent, which (aside from Brand) is entirely located on the wings and in their backcourt. Young, Igoudala, Nocioni, Williams, Holiday, Turner, Meeks…gotta figure out some way to get those guys on the floor.
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My thoughts too.
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That makes 1 of us.
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Not sure Speights would have been an improvement on Hawes.
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In otherwords I wouldn't have agreed with that.
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The funny thing is
that Hibbert has apparently developed into the best one of bigs that were available to us in that draft, and I don’t think that many people around here were excited over the prospect of seeing Hibbert in a Kings uni.
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Still not truthfully.
But that’s me.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
How do you mean?
That you preferred Hibbert or that there are better performing bigs that were available at #10?
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I'd rather have JT than Hibbert or Speights.
But that’s me. Hibbert has turned a corner, but that’s all he’s done up to now. I’m not a big fan of his.
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Fair point regarding just turning a corner.
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
16 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 3 bpg, 3.5 apg
I’d like to live in that environment, please.
Good heavens! If JT were doing this, we’d be talking about putting his jersey in the rafters.
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JT would need to be
averaging 33 minutes a game and a second option on offense, with mediocre big men on his team. He averaged 12.5 and 8.5 last year, that wasnt too shabby.
Agreed - not too shabby
JT would be only 3.5 points, 1 board, 2 blocks and 2 assists behind Hibbert while playing 31.4 minutes last year compared to Hibbert’s 30.9 minutes this year. I’m not sure how being the 2nd option on offense accounts for all of those rebounds, assists and blocks, but whatever.
Hater’s gonna hate.
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Hater's gonna hate?
Weak sauce Section.
What hate did I display for Hibbert? JT had some impressive stretches last year too. If Hibbert does this an entire season, then bless his heart. I found a twelve game stretch last year where JT averaged 17.4 and 10.4. No one hung his jersey from the rafters.
by MichaelMack on Nov 16, 2010 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
Apologies
But my point is that when JT was performing at near that level, we were going nuts over him. It just seems to me that the response here to Hibbert’s performance is rather tepid, considering the improvement that he has shown so far in this (albeit short) season. That’s all.
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My point
was just that it is a ten game snapshot, and that I think he is in a really good situation for himself. Kudos to him for the improvement.
by MichaelMack on Nov 16, 2010 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
If Hibbert can keep the weight off
he could be pretty darn solid through his second contract. Big if mind you but the talent is there.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 16, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
Well considering we drafted Hawes the year before and thought he might be something, I can see why most people ignored Hibbert in the 08 draft
Must admit though, was pissed when he withdrew from the 07 draft and I seem to recall it was partly because he didn’t want to go to Sac.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 15, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
I think the Kings would have looked at Hibbert.
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And possibly drafted him.
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I never read a thing about him not wanting to come to Sac.
Not one thing.
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yeah can't find why on Earth I thought it was because he didn't want to be in Sac
I guess I am just bitter and suspicious of players who pull out when pegged to be selected by my favorite team. Maybe it’s the scars of John Wallace.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 15, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Mwahahahahahahahaha.
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(I was worried nobody would get that one)
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 15, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Just to show you I appreciate your humor Wally....
….I rec’d it.
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Maybe
Hibbert was generally thought to be a top 8 pick, and I think that we were in the 7-8 draft range before the ping pong balls dropped us to 10. I wonder if Warriors and Bulls fans have similar self esteem issues, since they were also drafting in that range.
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yeah those Bulls fans have been pretty darn scarred by all that winning
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 16, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
The Ghost of Tim Floyd
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 16, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
Really
I often think its the other way around. A few losing seasons will do that.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
I'm going with this being preseason talks
The last thing this team needs is a shoot first guard with below average handles. I have no idea what Teague’s potential is, but for right now we have a better Teague in Luther. Neither can shoot off the dribble and mainly rely on slashing.
Neither is going to take Beno’s minutes, And, neither can run an offense.
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Kings are going to be a sub-par team
Neither is going to take Beno’s minutes …
until someone slays this dragon. Beno is a backup, but he’s a starter here because we didn’t upgrade that position in the offseason. And the reason we didn’t upgrade is because of his contract.
You can pretty much put Garcia in the same box. You can’t pay two guys $12-13 million a year to ride pine.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
I dunno if that is the reason we didn't upgrade
Personally I would think it’s because the Kings were so surprised by Beno’s performance last year and though Dalembert would help with the defensive issues plus the fact there weren’t a whole lot of PG options out there in free agency.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
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