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Kings Sinking: Is It That Bad?

The Kings have lost five straight games to teams with a combined 24-26 record. That's pretty bad, especially considering the last four losses have been to teams with a combined 16-24 record, and considering that the three most winnable games were at home.

This is a really bad five-game losing streak. Is this a low point for the franchise within the past few years?

Probably not. I mean, a 17-win season is tough to beat, and the Kings are still technically on pace to win 27 games this year (ignoring that the easiest part of the schedule is underway, with three of the softest home games including two losses). But this losing streak is certainly more dumbfounding than any 2009-10 five-game (or more) losing streak.

The Kings had five losing streaks of at least five games last season. Only one such streak had more than three non-playoff opponents involved: a March-April eight-game skid that encompassed a five-game Eastern road trip.


In that awful 2008-09, the Kings had seven losing streaks of at least five games. The worst in terms of opponent quality was an eight-game skid in January that featured the then-mediocre Bucks twice, the then-"worst team in basketball" Wizards in Sacramento and the mediocre Raptors and Bulls. At the end of that streak (spelled by that epic overtime Super Bowl Sunday win over the then-terrible Thunder at ARCO), the Kings sat at 10-38. That was a pretty low point, and I'd argue that considering two wins could get the current Kings back on track, we're not at Hope Level: Zero in terms of what's relative.

That's sad, frankly, that we have to dip into the dark days of 2009 for comparison to how bad the Kings are right now. But it says something about hope and expectations that we feel as bleak about this squad as we have at almost any point in the very bleak recent history of the club. We were supposed to be better than this, and we are hurt and frustrated as fans that we are not any better than blech. We still have a pulse as fans, I guess.

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At the end of that streak (spelled by that epic overtime Super Bowl Sunday win over the then-terrible Thunder at ARCO), the Kings sat at 10-38. That was a pretty low point, and I’d argue that considering two wins could get the current Kings back on track, we’re not at Hope Level: Zero in terms of what’s relative.

That was a low point? That team responded with a 7-27 record the rest of the way. Ug, putrid.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 15, 2010 2:51 PM PST reply actions  

I'm not sure that low point was against the Thunder on that Sunday.

I think it was that 48 point thrashing in Phoenix. Either way, that season stunk. I’m not ready to give up on this team until mid December. Then I’ll be happy to throw the lot under the bus.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 15, 2010 2:59 PM PST reply actions  

Rec'd Sims.

For real man, it dont’ get any simpler or easier to state than that. There is a direction with this young talent. Frustration with the way it’s going at the moment? But of course there is! Welcome to life as a fan. Everything is an overreaction in each direction.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 15, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Well said with the "overreaction in each direction".

living and dying with our team is part of the process of being a fan.

by 9K1NGS6 on Nov 15, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

So true

because about 730 days ago we were all thinking “Wow it’s going to be a long time before we even get anyone halfway good in here” let alone start winning as a team again.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 15, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Streaks are always a good way to judge a team before the season starts

Looking at the Kings in late October – when hopes ran high and the playoffs seemed possible – a question to have asked:
Do you think this Kings team will have a longer winning streak or losing streak this season?
The answer is simple today (just 9 games in, sigh) but it often marks the team as “a winning team” or not. (use that example with other Western comference foes: Jazz, Spurs, Thunder – then Warriors, Clippers, Wolves and lastly Hornets, Nuggets, Rockets – the first two groups are easy to place, the last 3 teams take some mulling over)

The disappointments: The lack of defensive cohesiveness. The lack of intimidation that “the trees” in the frontcourt have failed to show. The hope that this team’s frontcourt has had a year to marinate and blend and yet still play like separate ingredients. The “soft” schedule this year and the nice start last year twinkled hope to quick winning record in most every Kings’ fans eyes, instead we have tears.

It is too early to give up but not too early to have the taste of disappointment sour our outlook. Onward and upward!

by betweentheeyes on Nov 15, 2010 3:01 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

I think the schedule is working against the team both with their expectations and the fans.

After all, the expectation is that the team would get off to a better start than recent years due to the easier nature of the schedule. Unfortunately, that schedule is filled with live NBA players who get hot, play above their mean, or simply expectations may not take into account that the Kings are still struggling to find a rhythm on 2 ends of the court.

Missing Dalembert is a huge component here. They needed him to be there during training camp and he wasn’t. Some of these problems is that the guys in the rotation don’t know each other and some are too young to do anything except resort to what they’ve always done before they get to the NBA: Score.

Wanna know why there is no chemistry? Because this group has no real chemistry at the moment and has to develop it. Will they? I don’t know, but I think a slight shuffling of the deck to reflect the groups needs is the way to go. Then again, I’ve not believed keeping Jason Thompson and Donte Greene long term to “maximize” their value was a realistic idea to begin with.

I’ll be shocked if either guy is on the roster past the trade deadline.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 15, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting
Then again, I’ve not believed keeping Jason Thompson and Donte Greene long term to "maximize" their value was a realistic idea to begin with.

I’ll be shocked if either guy is on the roster past the trade deadline.

With JT, it’s just a numbers game. He’s a great young man and he will be a solid backup somewhere. It’s hard, though, to start and play the minutes he did and then get relegated to mopup duty. You’re probably right that he’s on the move soon, although not many would have said that even a few weeks ago.

I don’t have a clue what happened to Donte.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Nov 15, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

My fear is that this develops into a Falcons - Vick situation

Donte and JT get traded to a different situation, and they realize they need to play better if they want a job in this league so they kick it into gear.

In the Falcons case, they were completely justified in cutting Vick, but the dude came back fighting for a job and he’s been better than he ever was. Sometimes trades work like that, the player develops into something he never could have here on a different team.

by VenomySnicket on Nov 16, 2010 2:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Donte Greene is not Michael Vick.

Let’s not compare them especially when A) Vick was a first overall pick in the NFL draft, and oh wait, you’re comparing football to basketball.

I won’t even mention the dog fighting thing.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

So you want to compare Vick and Artest?

I’m confused.

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by PhutureKings on Nov 16, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Aye Cap'n.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 17, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

rec'd

rec’d, rec’d, and rec’d.

by Grantnapeareatskittens on Nov 15, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

If you say it - you should actually do it.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Ummm... I did?

I clicked actions. then I clicked rec. Anything I’m missing?

by Grantnapeareatskittens on Nov 15, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

You didn't rec it four times.

But that’s okay; it’s impossible, and other people helped you out.

by PurpleLoco on Nov 15, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Strange, none are showing up on my screen

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2010 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

now they are

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2010 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Recs don't show up live

As in if I rec’d this post while you were reading, it wouldn’t update. But if you refreshed the page, then you would see it.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 16, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn, sugar

Rec’d

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by otis29 on Nov 15, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd

for hitting the nail squarely on the head.

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by SayWhat? on Nov 16, 2010 7:00 AM PST up reply actions  

In 2007-08 we had 38 wins which was a 5 win improvement over 2006

So, of course, we were disappointed with our record in 08. We weren’t thinking that Theus was the next Phil Jackson, but the team was improving. And, even though we were adding any future all-stars, I doubt if anyone expected a 21 game drop in the win column.

This is by far the most disappointed, that I’ve been in a while. Because of all the talent we’ve added, and the expectations that things were going to improve. But, no matter how the win totals come out mathematicly, this is barely a 25 win team the way we’re playing now.

If the Defense doesn’t improve noticably this season, we could get the #1 pick in next years draft, and we’d still be 4 years from being a contender.

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by HighTops on Nov 15, 2010 4:22 PM PST reply actions  

I'm actually feeling philosphical about it right now

and me next week about bitterness and self medication – depending on how these next three go.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2010 4:44 PM PST reply actions  

Rec'd for a reality check.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 15, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd

I was disappointed two games into the losing streak. But this is still a young team, and we’re watching the team grow right in front of our eyes. Unfortunately, there are going to be some growing pains.

Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."

by kingsfan300 on Nov 15, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

sorry

but I don’t really see the team growing. I too am very disappointed.

by newkings on Nov 15, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, if you measure growth by just wins, then I don't know what to tell you.

Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."

by kingsfan300 on Nov 15, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Definitely agree with this.

I’m not all that disappointed by this. There has only been one game this season that I was really disappointed by, and that was Memphis. We played well on Sunday, and that’s a sign of improvement. We’re a young team, and we’ll get better. My expectations weren’t that high to begin with.

We’re Kings fans. We’re used to losing. When I tell people I’m a Kings fan, most of them ask why. Why be a fan of a team that hasn’t made the playoffs in years? Why be a fan of a team that is coming off a 25-win season? Why be a fan of a team that probably won’t have a chance of making the playoffs for at least two more years? Because it’s enough for me to watch them grow. I’m like a kid with one of those plastic animals that grows when you soak it in water. It’s fun to watch the growth, it’s fun to watch the improvement. Sure, the streak stinks, but I have faith in our team and I’m sure they’ll break out of it and give us a real reason to cheer them on. It can only go up from here.

by PurpleLoco on Nov 15, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

I think your right

I was hoping to see an improvement on defense from last year. So far not so much . . . Obviously this HAS to improve to see a real difference from last year.

Ba-da

by Ba-Da Bing on Nov 15, 2010 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not really concerned or thinking about the record or streak right now

I’m just hoping to see better chemistry/communication on the court, deliberate execution, and in the words of Phil Jackson, some purposeful cuts…

by getPGwithbounce on Nov 15, 2010 5:30 PM PST reply actions  

I think that is the bleak part of it

Its not like we are playing well and wins are just escaping us. We look flat, and we look confused.

by MichaelMack on Nov 15, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions  

It's just a real young team

Outside of Beno, Garcia and Dalembert, there’s not a lot of experience or leadership. Your key core players are a rookie, two second-year players and a fourth-year player, and all those pieces aren’t guaranteed to be here for the long haul. Beno and Garcia will probably be gone when their contracts expire, if not sooner. It is what it is.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Nov 15, 2010 5:39 PM PST reply actions  

The frustration

It’s frustrating because we overvalued what we had. Yes, the team added talent, but we as fans must understand the chemistry is not immediate. The team has talented young players, and we’ll continue to watch them flourish, but development takes time.

Just remember, we must temper our expectations.

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by Exhibit G on Nov 15, 2010 7:43 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Expectations were created by management

Rookie of the year, top draft pick, up and coming PF, the next Peja, a defensive minded center, and more. How could they not improve? Results = some come from behind wins and a string of losses.

Not clear what goals were set for this team. Use the regular season to tinker with rotations? Win more games than last year, develop players or just sell tickets? It’s puzzling.

Management created a log jam of bigs with not enough minutes to go around. Since the trades failed to occur prior to start of season, trade value is now down. Recall a number of teams were interested in JT last season as 12/7 guy with motor. Now he has less value than 6-2 guard scoring 4 pts? Shame on GP, JT (despite the mistakes) is one reason why I enjoyed watching while this team continued to lose for two seasons. Even after JT is gone, someone will give up minutes to Whiteside. Greene? Another mystery. PW is still working on issues (offense and defense) that should have been resolved in preseason. So far, a frustrating and disappointing season.

by kman949 on Nov 15, 2010 8:36 PM PST reply actions  

It takes two people to create unreasonable expectations:

One to make them, and the other to believe them.

Those of us who possess finely honed bullshit-ometers are doing just fine.

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by andy sims on Nov 16, 2010 12:24 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

To be honest

I am mad and frustrated with their performance, for the sole reason this might be their final season in Sac. If there was a new arena deal in place, I wouldn’t be so frustrated because i know Reke and DMC will be great players one day and lead us into the playoffs.

by jumpboi on Nov 15, 2010 9:11 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe we needed Keith Smart as the coach! Warriors are blowing out Detroit!

PW needs to go and keep Elie! It worked for OKC with an assistant upgraded to head coach and so far GS is doing pretty well too! I am sick of PW coaching style and rotation. This team won’t improve this year the way they are playing right now and I don’t see how can they win against better teams when they can’t beat Minnesota and Detroit.

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by LagunaKing on Nov 15, 2010 9:18 PM PST reply actions  

I'm just not sure this one game is enough to anoint Smart as COY.

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by Holmdel on Nov 15, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Nobody said he is COY but Warriors are playing much better than the Kings right now! It remains to be seen if they can keep it up.

They have Radmanovic at PF and Biedrins at center tonight and they are still winning by 20! It might be that every team that plays us get hot at the right time and they suddenly get cold when they play other teams. lol

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by LagunaKing on Nov 15, 2010 9:28 PM PST reply actions  

No the Warriors should be better this year

Their big 3:

Curry – 23
Monta – 26
Lee – 28

Our big 3:

Evans – 21
Cousins – 20
Casspi – 22

(ages are the age they turn this year, not going to look up exactly when their bday is)

They have a much more veteran core than we do. I expect them to be better this season. Shoot, they actually have a Big 3. For us, I think we have a Big 2, but it remains to be seen if Casspi has #3 in him or if he is destined to be a great role player and our lottery pick this offseason or another player we trade for/sign fills in our top 3.

So let’s not start comparing ourselves to the Warriors all season. Let’s at least wait until next year.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Nov 15, 2010 11:49 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Actually our Big Three right now

Is more like Evans, Landry, Beno.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 16, 2010 5:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I should have clarified

Long term big 3. The fact that our current Big 3 includes Landry and Beno says all you need to know about why our expectations should be lowered for this year, but not for the long term.

Today Curry + Ellis + Lee >>> Evans + Landry + Beno

However, long term I think Evans + Cousins + ? >>> Curry + Ellis + Lee

by SPTSJUNKIE on Nov 16, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Right now we have a big one, MAYBE 2 if you count Landry

and Reke is still trying to figure out how to get it done. And neither the coach nor the fans know what they have in Landry.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Nov 16, 2010 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Is this some kind of promo for a new Japanese game show

in which random objects are placed inside celebrity guests?

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by PhutureKings on Nov 17, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I would have expected better chemistry

Udrih, Garcia, Thompson and Green have been playing together for 2+ seasons. Throw in Reek and Casspi at 1+ and its like they just met.

The team has too much talent to be so discombobulated. Anybody got Anthony Robbins number?

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by nothingbutnet on Nov 15, 2010 9:28 PM PST reply actions  

PW A deer in the headlights

Laguna King is right. PW has to go. It’s only a matter of time till all the rest of you recognize that he is a perfect example of the Peter Principle. He has risen to the level where he is no longer competent. The look on his face is exactly the same one Adleman had when he just didn’t know what to do next. Deer in the headlights. I really doubt Elie can cut it, but we have to hope.

The rotation, if you can call it that, has no meaning. A player must earn his time. Play poorly and you sit. PW keeps Beno in when he is producing nothing—-but turnovers. So too with Tyreke. Poor shot selection should earn you a seat immediately. Why is DMC hoisting up three’s? Casspi thinks he has the green light to shoot treys whenever he feels like it. NO! Luther Head has to realize he is playing on a team. Play Sammy and DMC together—-with Landry or JT at three.

PW is not demanding—-and he must be if we are to succeed. Our free throw shooting is a disgrace. Why is Donte sitting? Remember Landry said, in some interview, that we are waiting for someone with energy to arise and we will follow on his coatails? This team has no leader. Everyone is too young. It could be Sammy, as an elder, but right now it has to be PW—— and he is in over his head. It’s painful to watch. Bottom line—-PW must go. He’s not smart enough.

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by seeanew on Nov 15, 2010 10:32 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Not for nothing but...

Udrih is 4th in the league in assist/turnover ratio, just behind Jason Kidd. I don’t disagree that there are times where Udrih should be on the bench, but that has more to do with his defense, not his imagined isssues with turnovers.

Cousins is “hoisting” 3’s to the tune of one every 31 minutes…or less than 1 per game.

Someone needs to explain to me how free throw shooting can possibly be the fault of the head coach. Further, how does playing Donté Greene improve this situation?

I’m not saying that Westphal does not have flaws – he certainly does. But some of the things that you have listed here are just plain non-existent.

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by section214 on Nov 15, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

BUT I WANT WHAT I WANT NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

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by andy sims on Nov 16, 2010 12:25 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I've missed you Veruca Salt. Where have you been?

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by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Doing oompa-loompa porn in Northridge.

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Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Nov 16, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Kinda gives a new meaning to Charlie and the "Chocolate Factory" eh?

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by PhutureKings on Nov 16, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Ooh...and Wily Wonka.

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"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.

"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Nov 16, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Best reply all week.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 17, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

So much truth here, it hurts

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Nov 16, 2010 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Well said. Rec'd.

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by kingsfan300 on Nov 16, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd for real clarity.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I've enjoyed the journey...up until now.

I just for the life of me did not want to be in mid-November and already talking about “but, hey — at least we’ll have another lottery pick!”

LOL.

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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Nov 16, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

A few questions...

Does anybody know where Cousins ranks league wide in TOs and PFs per minute? He is proving to be a horrific defender. Was this a red flag coming out of Kentucky or was he just so big and his team so talented that it was covered up?

Also where can I get shot percentages on Tyreke from the perimeter vs the paint? I almost look at it as a turnover every time he puts the ball up. PW needs to step in and force him to stop shooting. Look at Tony Parker and Rajon Rondo, granted they have superior teams to play with, but they dont hurt their teams with perimeter jumpers that dont go in.

by OKO on Nov 16, 2010 12:28 PM PST reply actions  

I'll take the Cousins part of this

Comparing him to the other rookies per 36 minutes:
Nikola Pekovic = 8.3
DeMarcus Cousins = 7.4
Tmothy Mozgov = 6.2
Derrick Favors = 6.1
Omer Asik = 5.8

Regarding turnovers his 4.1 per 36 ranks him better only than Armon Johnson, and on a par with John Wall. He ranks 10th out of 15 rookies in assist to turnover ratio, but he is #2 amongst the big men, behind only Blake Griffin.

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by section214 on Nov 16, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Regarding Evans

I always balk at breaking down the in the paint vs. the perimeter scoring for a guy like Evans, as he needs to shoot from the perimeter on occasion to open up the middle for himself. That said, his overall 2 point percentage is 49%. Rondo is at 47%, Parker at 51%.

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by section214 on Nov 16, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you for doing what I wanted to do, but didn't have the time to do.

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by PhutureKings on Nov 16, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Evans

Im not sure that just taking a shot from the perimeter opens up the middle for him. If a few go down then thats true, but shooting and missing with time on the shot clock will only make defenses sluff off even more.

Everybody knows his game so well after his rookie year that things are going to be tough for him without great talent around him. I would really like to see him push the ball more and get in the open floor where he is almost unstoppable.

Do you think JR Smith would be a better compliment to Tyreke than Beno? He can stretch the floor and run much better. Tyreke, JR, and Omri is an athletic wing trio, I say as long as we’re losing, at least run and make it exciting.

by OKO on Nov 16, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Not warm on JR Smith

First, the guy has a 10 cent head. Beyond that, his field goal percentage has declined each of the past three years. He’s a 37% career 3 point shooter, which really makes him no better at that range than Casspi or Garcia. And he fixes nothing on defense. And I disagree that he runs the floor better than Udrih. Frankly, if you were going to displace Udrih, I would prefer Garcia over Smith by a long shot.

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by section214 on Nov 16, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

A long long long shot

JR Smith answers a question no one is asking

by MichaelMack on Nov 17, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You could see in summer league

that defense wasn’t Cousins’ strength, to put it mildly. I still wish Johnson had fallen to us.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Nov 16, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

He looks like a hell of a player.

by MichaelMack on Nov 17, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Wishing for falling Johnsons?

Whatever you’re into, man.

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"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.

"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Nov 17, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

It is pretty bad.

But I enjoy watching the games regardless of outcome. Unexpected wins (they almost all are) make watching even better.

It seems like some more structure should be provided through coaching/player management. I think Cousins should be playing until he gets to 30 minutes, 6 fouls, or plays his way out of a game by taking bad shots, etc. Tyreke should be tried by fire at the PG position. Omri should be playing 30 and learning to better handle the ball as well.

I would like to see more player development – that’s what I’m looking at this year – not record, per se.

by DustyG on Nov 16, 2010 3:18 PM PST reply actions  

Hmm...
But I enjoy watching the games regardless of outcome. Unexpected wins (they almost all are) make watching even better.

By that rationale, do you also make-out with strangers in the dark, and when the lights come on if it’s not a dude or a fat chick, you’re like, “Bonus!”?

Check out my news parody blog, in which I make fun of current events @ liveonlocation.blogspot.com

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.

"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Nov 16, 2010 3:50 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

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