Kings 106, Knicks 113: Gotta Play 48 Minutes, Not 36.
First off, I blame Otis for predicting us winning by 15. Kings actually got out to a 15 point lead in the first quarter and things were looking good. Paul Westphal's new starting lineup actually played better than I thought it would, with a lot of credit going to Luther Head especially. The Knicks also didn't have an answer for Carl Landry, and none of their threes were going down. The first quarter gave me hope.
The second quarter took what hope I had, kicked it in the groin, and then hit it a few hundred times with a baseball bat for good measure. The Kings started the 2nd quarter with the exact opposite kind of great energy they were playing with in the first. They were lazy on defense, but the offense was especially bad. All ball movement ceased, and it was a lot of isolation and dribbling. The biggest surprise to me was how poorly Beno was running the offense during this time. The Kings took a drubbing during this quarter, especially from Danilo Gallinari. The Kings also came out pretty slow in the 3rd, allowing New York to build up that lead some more, before the Kings started to chip away a little bit as the quarter dragged on. A big problem for the Kings tonight was foul trouble, especially fouling players in shooting motion. The two fouls on Gallinari pump fakes were terrible. Gallinari got to the line 17 times, and made 16. Amar'e got there 8 times, while the entire Kings team only got 26 FTA.
The Kings came back a bit in the fourth, with big help from Donté Greene (more on him later). But despite cutting the lead down to four, the Kings once again could not keep the momentum going. It would either be a turnover, reversion to poor ball movement (a theme for the night), or something else. There were several times when the Kings would miss a shot they normally make, and then New York would end up getting a shot, essentially being a 4 or 5 point swing on either end. It's frustrating as a fan, and its been happening so much lately that I barely allowed myself to hope that we would win this when we started to make that final run. I'm tired of the losing, and though we're playing better at times, we need to be playing better ALL the time, or we simply aren't going to be winning many games.
On to the player recaps.
- Tyreke Evans put up a good line. He had some good defensive moments as well. But I couldn't help but think that he actually looked kind of bad out there, especially on the offensive end. He had a couple ridiculous "How the hell is that humanly possible" layups as he usually does, but his jumper was way off tonight, and so was his decision making down the stretch, leaving his feet for passes and getting caught with nowhere to go. There was also that one key position near the end where he just threw up a really bad shot from about 10 feet, and was slow getting back.
- Luther Head probably should've played more in hindsight. Beno put up some better numbers, but to me wasn't nearly as effective when he was in the game. Luther does a great job of attacking the basket, and although his first three was horrible (they seem to either be perfect or horrible), he still hit another crucial one later. His defense also saved a couple baskets.
- Beno Udrih was a player I was disappointed in, especially during that crucial 2nd quarter. He just did not look good running the offense at any point in the game. There were a couple times he drove to the basket and kicked it out for turnovers, and both times he probably had an easy layup if he had just shot the ball instead. His defense also hurt us big time late in the game, and Felton and Douglas both took advantage of him down the stretch.
- Darnell Jackson looked like the kind of player I expected him to be when we traded for him: someone who should only be playing in garbage time situations. He was one of the players we had in when the Knicks were torching us in the 2nd quarter, and when his jumper is off like it has been lately, he doesn't really do much for us on offense.
- Samuel Dalembert could not guard Amar'e Stoudemire. STAT was just too quick for him, and Sammy couldn't do anything but foul him. Not a good game for Sam.
- Carl Landry had another great game, and for the third straight game feasted around the basket. I know it hasn't translated to wins in any of those three games, but it sure as hell hasn't been Landry's fault. Carl right now is doing everything we want him to do, and hopefully eventually things will click with the rest of the team as well so his effort doesn't get wasted.
- DeMarcus Cousins had the best game of his rookie season, I think. He was able to get what he wanted inside, and flashed a lot of his potential. The thing I really liked about him this time is that he finally seemed to play within himself for the most part, and wasn't forcing as much. There was a time he got a big steal early on, and instead of trying to run the fastbreak as he has tried before this season, he immediately got it to his guard. He played some really good defense at times as well, and was actually probably our best man defender for Stoudemire. We need to see more plays run for DeMarcus like the one he had with Omri early in the game where he gets the ball and waits for Omri to cut and passes for an easy bucket (that he ended up getting to the line on). A lot more good than bad from Cousins this game.
- Francisco Garcia was another normally reliable player that just didn't look good tonight. He was missing his threes, his defense wasn't good, just nothing was really clicking for Cisco. Big reason our team fell apart in the 2nd.
- I hope this game ends once and for all the Jason Thompson at the three position. He's not quick enough, and its not his fault either, and on offense, he's not skilled enough to be a big enough threat for a mismatch. So give him Darnell's minutes and play him as the backup four, please.
- Omri, another player who didn't look good off the bench (Aside from Cousins and Greene, our bench was pretty much terrible). His defense was a big factor in why he didn't play all that much. It just wasn't any good. It's something he needs to learn if he plans on playing big minutes for us all the time, because when you're not having a good offensive night, at least bring it defensively.
- Now for Donté. The first couple minutes he was in the game, Westphal looked vindicated. Donté first left Gallinari wide open on a three (when he was basically specifically sent in there to stop him), and on another play got beat off the dribble and was forced to foul. He picked up his game significantly after that, playing solid defense and also providing a much needed spark on offense. One thing I noticed is that he seemed a tad tentative, especially when it came to shooting. There were several times he got the ball wide open at the three point line and instead opted to pass it. I feel that he didn't want to chance missing and getting 4 more DNPs. But he did hit one three (the one he missed was a 30 foot desperation three so I'm not worried about that), got to the basket, and shared the ball. I'm hoping that with this performance, he's won a spot in the rotation again, because we need him.
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Completely agree about JT and Donte
JT at the 3 makes no sense at all. He just isn’t quick enough and he doesn’t have an outside shot. JT should be the backup 4. Donte made me nervous in the first few minutes but really picked it up. I hope he gets back into the rotation and can provide a spark for us.
Overall, a disappointing game. I wish Dalembert could’ve shut down Amare, but not many players can when he’s having a good game like he did tonight. Let’s hope Friday’s game goes better.
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Finally Donte was released tonight
Hopefully he’s back in rotation….
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0-1
in games that Donté plays the last 20 minutes. (Ducks)
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by section214 on Nov 17, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
That's 1-1, Donte played 27 in the season opening win in Minny
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by HighTops on Nov 17, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
But not the last 20
Come on, man. When you play the small sample size game, you have to deal in specifics. Shrink and massage the equation until you get the intended result. Have I taught you nothing?
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by section214 on Nov 17, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
If your were a really nice guy you'd of put those words in italics.
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by HighTops on Nov 17, 2010 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry
Italics are just not in the small sample size budget. But we may have to review that, as 100% of the input that we have received here at the SSSI (Small Sample Size Institute) have requested italics. That would be your input – the only input that we have received. But that’s exactly the small sample size that keeps the lights on here at the SSSI.
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by section214 on Nov 18, 2010 8:24 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
LOL @ all of this.
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Couple things to add from my view.
- When I heard there was a lineup change, I thought, great Cisco in. But it wasn’t. Casspi and Beno to the bench instead. I honestly have no idea what rotation were going with. It does appear that PW is randomly choosing people to put in there. Donte played a lot of the 3-4th, and I thought he did a good job. Are we going to have x starting rotations again this year? I would rather us just pick our guys and run with it.
- While Lex Luther did come out playing well, there are times where he just dribbles out the clock and then passes it off, forcing whomever to force up a terrible shot. Its just really ugly.
- What’s up with Tyreke? There were a few times where he looks like he can just take over the game by shaking everyone in his way and taking it to the rim. Other times he looked plain ol lazy. This kid needs a bit of fire. I’ve observed over the last few games, whenever we have an urgent situation warranting him to get a quick shot or bring the ball up quickly, he still does that slow jog up. Can someone please get him the memo to play with some urgency/anger?
- Opposite to Tyreke, DeMarcus looked like he was sick of losing and was willing to do whatever he could, to get a win tonight. He provided the energy I would like to see from all of our players. He had a few silly things, but WAY more good than bad tonight.
- Beno’s defense was atrocious. So many times people ran right past him forcing help defense, or he wouldn’t switch off a screen which lead to the other player being wide open. I don’t know what it is, but it sucked.
- I hate that JT starting at the 3, some might say “Worked” tonight, because we had a 1st quarter lead. Overall I dont think it will. JT has been pretty solid in the amount of mins hes been gifted this year, and I hope to see more of him. Just not at the 3.
This was a winable game, and we lost again. Its frustrating to see. I think we have the talent to do better, but I dont have any answers. So lets move on to the next game, and get better. Please.
by chenp22 on Nov 17, 2010 11:11 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think the ankle is probably bothering Tyreke, which could be affecting his game
But his body language on defense is horrible, and he didn’t look very quick to me tonight.
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by kingsfan300 on Nov 17, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
Yea I get the whole ankle issue
but why is it then he can turn on the jets whenever he chooses?
I don’t know, maybe it is bothering him, or maybe its his decision making that’s bothering me.
I can live with a few TO's
I can’t live with these ridiculous lineups.
by VenomySnicket on Nov 17, 2010 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
He has looked off for a few games
I cant believe how many offensive sets we have where he dribbles the first twelve seconds away, then by the time he gives the ball up, we are down to eight on the clock. If that is his decision making, he needs to wake up. If it is how our offense is set up, we have coaching problems.
if that is his decision making, he needs to wake up.
Or our coaches need to let him know, to get the offense running earlier.
The offense just needs to run without him sometimes
All he needs to do is bring the ball up quicker. He can give it up, and then the team can run some sets, or let the ball start from the post and go from there.
Sometimes when the team is trying to post up, he tries to ask for the ball by going towards whoever is going to make the entry pass. The only problem is he brings his defender with him, and it crowds the area of where post player is; it can result in a turnover if Reke’s defender ends up doubling on our post player.
I don’t think Reke can shoot very well off the dribble yet, but I think he can probably spot up well. I think he should try to do that more.
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He should probably start to learn the pick and roll also
And begin to develop some more chemistry with the big men in that aspect.
Baby steps though, with this team.
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This is one of the reasons why he's not a playmaker, yet
Tyreke is our go to guy, and our closer. The offense doesn’t have to run thru him. Does the offense run thru Roy or Kobe?
We have needed a playmaker to run the offense since before we drafted Tyreke. That’s way so many people wanted Rubio in that draft. And, just because we got the best player in that draft, it doesn’t mean that we still don’t need a playmaker.
Head did a good job starting for Beno because of his defense. But, we still need someone who can run the offense, breakdown the defense with dribble penetration, and find the open man (hopefully a big). And, when that doesnt’ work, he gets the ball to Tyreke in the best position for Evans to attack.
We need some to draw the defenses attention, so that they can’t concentrate on Tyreke. And, as good as Evans is going one on one from the top of the Key, imagine how good he’d be catching a pass at the FT line while on the move. No, defense would have time to react before he was at the net.
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As far as offense without Reke
I favor some inside-outside action. Establish some low post presence, and then let our offense work from out there with some cuts or open jump shots. It’s been effective in spots for this team, but they don’t go to it a lot because of some of the excess dribbling on the perimeter.
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by kingsfan300 on Nov 18, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
It's a good plan even with Evans on the court.
The problem has been finding someone who can get the ball into the post, or at least getting in to someone deep enough to force the other team to double. Or, allow our big to be in good enough to score at a high percentage.
No one will care or even change their defense if the low post player isn’t a threat to score. It’s when they have to double that let you pass out of the low post an pass the ball around the arc to find the open man.
That where the good ball handling PG, becomes of real value. Getting to ball to Cousins, Landry or even Samuel where they just have to make a quick move to get an open shot.
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As far as turning on the jets
I didn’t think he was able to do that too many times in the second half. If anything, his decision making has not been very good.
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Whole team's body language kinda' sucks.
They all seem to look a bit confused and unsure of what’s going on. They play like a bunch of individuals with no real plan. And that is very concerning.
Ankle or not, Tyreke was pretty inexcusable down the stretch
The Kings were trying to make a run, he tossed up a bad shot. Lagged back on defense, essentially leaving Gallo open for a mid-range jumper. He literally stood there watching Gallo, making no attempt to cover him. Luckily Gallo missed, leading Tyreke to charge full speed down the court, leave his feet for a pass, and throw a turnover with no King in sight.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
He almost looks tired on defense sometimes
I mean he uses a poor defensive stance most of the time, but looking at his body language I wonder about his conditioning.
I’m just gonna say that the team should run some more offense without the ball in his hands so he can put some more effort on defense.
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Its sort of hard to call a timeout
when opposing teams make 7-0 runs in 40 seconds
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I was amazed when I heard Luther was starting,
and somewhat annoyed about JT starting at the 3.
But, I was pleasantly surprised at how well the team looked in the 1st. Head’s defense was much better than Beno’s and it made a big difference. He’s not as good a shooter off the dribble, which makes his over dribbling even worse. But, he at least as good of a ball handler and that really surprised me.
JT on the other hand, was pretty inaffective on the offensive end, and I would have much rather seen him defend Amare than Galinari. We needed Dalembert at the rim protecting the basket, not out trying to defend STAT, at the FT extended.
So, I’ll give PW a B+ for his new starting lineup. But, could someone please explain how the 11th or 12th man on the team, enters the game at 3:30 secs into the 3rd quarter and plays the enter rest of the game? ;)
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Good points
Especially about Dalembert being misused as the defender on Stoudemire.
But, could someone please explain how the 11th or 12th man on the team, enters the game at 3:30 secs into the 3rd quarter and plays the enter rest of the game? ;)
That baffled me too. I’m happy for Greene, and he was solid, but how effective could he be after sitting for 7/8 games gathering dust? I was annoyed we didn’t see more of Garcia, Casspi or Head down the stretch.
And now, with Greene showing he can add something to the team, how will that effect the rotation? Will it be shortened, and if so, who would be the odd man out? Casspi, Beno, Head, Jackson? Or will Donte sit again for the next 8 games?
Some positives this game, aside from Greene. Good game for DMC, he needed that. And Landry seems to have found his place, at least offensively. Head can be a good player, if he learns to direct the offense a bit better. His D is good. Well perhaps not good, since you compare him to Beno, but at the very least solid.
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I think Greene was tentative because of his position the last 2 weeks
we were sitting in the left corner, and had a very good look at his drives to the rim. In both instances, he had a good shot at the 3, but with the man closing he drove to the rim. He scored on his own the first time, but he ball rolled off the rim the 2nd time but the Kings rebounded and got a great 2nd chance basket.
Head plays better defense for sure. But, his ball handling is just as questionable as the other guards and he’s a much poorer shooter off the dribble than Beno. I really don’t believe either is the answer.
For me the player of the game was between Cousins & Landry. I loved them both. I hope cousins learns some patients from Carl. He need to slow down his dribble drive, and back in to position before he uses his quickness. Instead of charging from too far away and getting too out of control.
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I don't blame Greene
He played as well as could be expected after what happened the last weeks.
Somehow, I think that Beno is completely set in his ways. Head looks like a guy who can still learn and improve aspects of his game significantly. Just a gut feeling.
But never mind what I think. In order for PW to free up some playing time for Greene, I expect JT to be our starting point guard against the Nets.
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I agree in regards to Head's ability to grow into a role but Beno not so much.
What we need our “non-’Reke guard” to do is to put most of their energy into defense, to be a “backup offense-facilitator” if ‘Reke is under pressure or can’t get the ball where he wants or whatever, and be ready to take a jumper if it comes to him in a good spot. I still think Cisco could thrive in that role, but I think Head could be really good, too. I think we saw enough last night to be hopeful of that. Beno, on the other hand, though he’ll always be a main contributor to the team, will never be able to fill that role.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 18, 2010 7:03 AM PST up reply actions
I don't blame Greene
He played as well as could be expected after what happened the last weeks.
Somehow, I think that Beno is completely set in his ways. Head looks like a guy who can still learn and improve aspects of his game significantly. Just a gut feeling.
But never mind what I think. In order for PW to free up some playing time for Greene, I expect JT to be our starting point guard against the Nets.
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I'd like to see Cousins back down defenders more often.
I cringed every time I saw him turn around and face the opponent in the post. Last night, he could’ve been even more effective backing down Amare/Turiaf.
He can do the face-up
It’s something he’s working on and should work on. I know for the purposes of this particular game but . . .
I guess you’re right though, against this opponent (know your opponent [which he doesn’t yet]) he should have kept backing them in.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
When he doesn't get the ball where he wants
he should back his man down or repost. That quick spin 15 ft from the basket and subsequent out of control charge into the paint, is to wild for a guy with his footwork.
Unfortunately, I’m not sure he knows where his best spots to start his move is, yet. Early on the MRS. started laughing, she said it was because I was going “NO, NO, NO, Yes”, everytime DeMarcus put up a midrange jumper or drove to the basket from midrange.
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Yet it was a game
where you really saw how amazing his future might be.
I can’t say often enough how well I thought he used his feet on D. Now, that was against a team without any real post players but – he looked good.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with this.
DMC had his best game as a pro and showed everything he has to bring on both ends (I think).
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And I love a big man who can hit his FTs . . .
That should really help in crunch of games in the future.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I hope he keeps it up and this isn't a placebo.
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I don't think it is
He’s got solid form. When he misses its often because he tends to rush it, but that doesn’t happen often thankfully.
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Chris Webber once hit 80% of his FT's.
Then he went back to his standard mid to high 60’s percentage after that. Players can do things right for awhile and revert to poor form.
Exhibit A in this is Shaquille O’Neal.
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I think DMC will be right around 75% for his career
He’s going to get to the line a LOT.
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I'll squeal with delight if he does.
Vlade Divac’s career FT%.
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See I see him as a bit more like Zach Randolph shooting wise
And he’s a 77% career FT shooter.
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Hopefully the comparison ends there.
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Jackson would have to be the odd man out
him or JT
That's a tough call, but I'd go with JT unless there were some particular match up problems
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I dont think thats a tough call
I understand Jackson has had some good minutes, but he is not very physical defensively, and is not a good rebounder. I dont see where that fits in with our team.
by MichaelMack on Nov 18, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
It's a tough call because I'm tired of watching JT miss 2 footers.
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by HighTops on Nov 18, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
but his rebounding, defense, and hustle dont matter then?
by MichaelMack on Nov 18, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
JT's defense?
Am I missing something?
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And not understanding how to use my feet to get me in position too.
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Unfortunately, I haven't seen JT at the PF much this season
to know how much his defense has improved.
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If that lineup worked
How come I don’t recall us ever going back to it? Of course DMC played 30 minutes (deservedly, maybe the only one you can say that about besides Landry).
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by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
That's a good question
It feels like we are making the same complaints about consistent rotations right now as we did all last year.
To borrow a phrase from you lttg – sigh
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Your seriously asking that about a PW team?
JT contributed nothing in the starting lineup, except to foul Galinari twice from beyond the arc and send him to the FT line for 6 of his 8 attempts in the 1st half.
The fact that we didn’t go back to it, is really a Westphal trait. He goes with his gut. The one thing he’s good at is going with the players with the hot hand, and if no one has the hot hand he’s quick to make changes.
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That was really my point
sub in DMC for JT in that lineup that seemed to work rather than throwing 5 completely different guys out there. They call it judicous substitution in the biz :-).
Oh hell, even I don’t know what I think our f*@kin’ lineups should be anymore.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
From my seat
It looked like the lineup didn’t work all that well on defense. Yes, we went up by 10+, but the Knicks were getting decent shots, they just weren’t hitting them. Whether you want to credit the defense with that or not, thats up to you.
The one difference that was noticeable at the start of the game was that Beno wasn’t in to get picked on. If I am coaching an opposing team, I tell my guards to attack Beno anytime he is in the game. He can’t stay in front of anyone, and he gets lost of switches and screens.
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Don't want this to sound like I'm rooting for us to lose
But as long as I see progress, I don’t care too much about the wins and losses. Obviously if we see progress we should be winning, but I felt like I saw lots of progress tonight. Cousins, JT, some better chemistry in general.
We all know that this is still a team that’s not so good and a team that’s lacking talent for the most part. The rebuild plan is not over, and they’re probably a high draft pick and free agent signing away from completing the rebuild. So right now I’m more concerned about seeing progress from our core players, and I felt like I saw a little bit of that tonight.
by 8thInningWeirdness on Nov 18, 2010 12:05 AM PST via mobile reply actions
the problem is that
while yes, it is great that we are seeing progress from cousins, and I would say Landry as well. We are seeing too much regression from our other players. Tyreke, Beno, Francisco, Omri, are all playing worse than what is expected; and I disagree that we saw improvement from JT and Donte. Like everyone else has said, JT is being forced to play out of position, so it isn’t really his fault, but he is not playing very well, and is capable of being much better, if allowed to play his position. As for Donte, I say we didn’t see progress because he played as everyone knew he would play, which is great, but that progress would be PW’s progress in actually playing him since he does contribute, much more than many of the other players are imo.
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 18, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
For JT and Donte, what I meant was that they got PT, which is progress.
And you’re right, he’s playing out of position, but I don’t think that will last. The team was obviously better with Donte at the 3 last night and PW will realize that Thompson is a better option at the 4 than Darnell Jackson.
I wouldn’t say Garcia has regressed. Maybe he didn’t have a good game last night, but he’s been pretty good this year. Maybe Beno has regressed a little bit. I don’t think you can say Tyreke has regressed, he just hasn’t improved a ton, but he’s still young. And Omri may be regressing, but he hasn’t necessarily been getting consistent minutes. And we have to remember that it’s just been 10 games.
And really, with the exception of Tyreke and maybe Omri, all of the players listed above are probably just role players on a good team. So I don’t see them as part of the core. What I take away is that our two greatest pieces, Cousins and Evans improve their chemistry and decision-making. And from the other guys, I just want to see them excelling in their roles. Ultimately, I want it to lead to a consistent, defined rotation. It seems to me that our best lineup at this point might be Tyreke-Head-Greene-Landry-Cousins, with Beno, Garcia, Casspi, Thompson, and Dalembert off the bench.
My main point is that I think I saw improvement in this game. It’s going to take time, but as long as we keep seeing baby steps, I’m fine with waiting.
by 8thInningWeirdness on Nov 18, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Good stuff
I agree that Tyreke and Garcia haven’t really regressed. I would say Omri hasn’t regressed either; he’s still playing the same way he did last year.
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by kingsfan300 on Nov 18, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
My main point is that I think I saw improvement in this game
My main point was that I saw regression in this game, outside of the exceptions I gave. I don’t think Garcia/Evans, etc are regressing, but regressed in that game
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 18, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Evans ankles are bothering him.
Sat 2nd row center. Saw some slight limping at moments. I played soccer for ten years, I know that walk. Those “you play through it despite pain” gestures. It does hamper your game. With these problems, his jumper seems to get more important every day.
Donte was good, forced some quality turnovers.
Watching DMC from that close is amazing. Not missing Brockman’s arm hair one bit.
Interesting
It just confirms to me that he’s looked quicker in past games.
"You can have the knowledge that a tomato is a fruit, but it takes wisdom not to put it in a fruit salad." Jerry Reynolds
I'll wear the "Kick Me" sign after this one
I really felt this team would find it’s pride – and even if they didn’t play well, they would play with enough energy to beat a really bad Knicks team. I couldn’t have been more wrong. At this point, you can’t assume they can beat anyone at any time, and they are clearly regressing. This can’t bode well for PW.
A few things I noticed last night:
Donte’s energy was a nice lift for the team. But let’s not get too crazy here – when he entered the game, the Kings were down 9. Mr. Greene played the remainder of the game, and the team ended up losing…by 7. Not Donte’s fault necessarily, as he was one of the few Kings that was bringing it last night. And if he could always handle the ball the way he did on the fast break to Beno…wow, what an addition that would be to his game!
This team reminds me a lot of the Natt teams, only they have more talent yet don’t play as hard on a nightly basis. If there is some kind of specific offensive or defensive “plan” happening here, it’s not readily apparent.
When you are a bad team, losing at home to bad teams while changing your lineups every game to react to the other team’s strengths…why not change your philosophy a bit, set your starters and rotation for 15 or 20 games, and see if you can establish some consistent mismatches on offense that will force the other team to adjust to YOU? Or allow guys to develop some chemistry on the defensive end? You’re losing anyways, why not actually develop a TEAM?
Lastly, the game thread last night was great fun. I don’t get to hang out in those very often, but it was nice to shoot the sh#t with everyone. Our team may suck, but our passion is still there.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
set your starters and rotation for 15 or 20 games, and see if you can establish some consistent mismatches on offense that will force the other team to adjust to YOU
I really like this
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 18, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed...except on the Donte analysis.
I think Donte had a greater impact on the game than the team’s score indicates. When Donte came into the game I believe Gallinari had 21 pts, and he was getting any shot he wanted and getting to the foul line like crazy.
I thought Donte did a good job of neutralizing Gallinari (which IMO is what he was sent in for) in order to give the team a chance to win. Something that JT, Landry, and Omri were struggling with.
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
I think Westphal has lost the team
I know it is early, and I am probably crossing the line, but players do need consistency and PW does not seem to foster it. The ball movement is horrible, atrocious, bad, ugly, and nonexistent. I think that the players are trying to do too much on their own, which means either they are really, really selfish or they have no faith in the player they are out there with, or they have no respect for the coach and the sets he calls. I think it is the latter.
I wonder how the team would do with Mario Elie leading them, could it have the same effect that Scott Brooks had on the Thunder
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
As far as Elie
We have to remember that he’s an integral part of the coaching staff that has produced the product we are seeing on the floor.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
yes and no
Elie has been part of the staff, as was scott brooks part of Seattles when he took over. Asst coaches are employees and often will respect their boss, but when given the chance can make great changes, or can fall flat on their face.
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by want2win on Nov 18, 2010 8:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I see your point.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 18, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yes and no
Elie has been part of the staff, as was scott brooks part of Seattles when he took over. Asst coaches are employees and often will respect their boss, but when given the chance can make great changes, or can fall flat on their face.
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
by want2win on Nov 18, 2010 8:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
This is preposterous.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 18, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Bullshit
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
Did you really think it was bullshit?
or did i fall deep into the chasm?
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
yes and no
Elie has been part of the staff, as was scott brooks part of Seattles when he took over. Asst coaches are employees and often will respect their boss, but when given the chance can make great changes, or can fall flat on their face.
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
by want2win on Nov 18, 2010 8:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Bacon.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 18, 2010 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL @ your 3 responses.
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i have no clue why it posted 3 times
It could be the blackberry while driving, I know this. The comment I made was barely worthy of posting 1 time, definitely not 3 times. I am just a frustrated fan!
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by want2win on Nov 18, 2010 12:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Shit happens.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Don't post and drive.
And I’m being completely serious here.
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Mmmmmm
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
What if every time somebody says "Bacon"
We say “Deluxe Cheeseburger”. Would that be enough to get us Ziller Bucks on layaway?
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I don't really believe in the +/- stat
but last night’s lines did illustrate some actual play on the court. I think I said it in the other thread but Darnell was a terrible matchup for the knicks and it showed both on the floor and in the stat sheet. He floundered out there. He has no idea how to get through a screen on the perimeter – and he was not alone. You complain about JT not being equiped to stay with quicker line-ups? DJ was wretched.
Sammy had the worst game he’s had as a King, his turn last night I guess.
There were/are just too many guys in the rotating in/out to expect the defensive rotations Not to get confused – yet they should have done a lot better.
DMC had a much better night than the stat sheet showed, I think he was the best interior defender, switched very well, used his feet and size excellently and did not get all the calls he will in the future. If he continues to play with the confidence and control he showed last night – it was just the beginning.
Cisco had a terrible game against a team you’d think he’d match up well with, wtf.
Beno deserves a little grief but at least he balances what he gives up with what he scores against the opposing PG.
Does anyone on this team know how to switch off a screen and stay with their assignent without getting fooled b the slightest twitch?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
I meant ot make the point that
the +/- also did clearly illustrated just how bad Cisco played last night as well.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
trade cisco
This guy makes 12 mill. and can not make shots?the way i see come feb.2011 or hopefuly sooner ship cisco,J.T. donte we need some shooters!casspi is not that good either.come on geoff start trading these goofs!
by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Nov 18, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
You should know what the salaries are
before you start throwing out numbers here. This isn’t the Bee comments where you can say anything, we’re pretty well informed.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Garcia is making $5.5 million this year
with $5.8 and $6.1 million the next two years (team option the following year). Also, pretty sure the Kings would have moved him if there were actual takers.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 18, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
You mean Petrie can't just trade whoever he wants wherever he wants for whatever he wants?
We need a GM that can do that! Fire Petrie!
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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 18, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Effing Stern and his stupid rules
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by section214 on Nov 18, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I just read your signature for the first time in a while
That is funny stuff, I have been giggling for about 10 minutes now..
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
Why would we trade one of our only consistent 3pt shooters?
Tyreke should only shoot with his feet set, Omri has been less than consistent, Luther’s 3s look ugly as he leans into his shot, Beno can shoot a nice set three but gets continually torched on defense, and Donte hasn’t seen many minutes.
So yes, lets trade the only guy on the team who can play defense and spread the floor.
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
point guard/not a point guard
Call him want you want and I love the guy, but he sure ain’t a passing point guard. It seems the only time he passes it is when he gets caught in the lane trying to go the basket and then he has to dish it. But from the top of the key bringing the ball up the court, he takes way to much time to get the offense going and get it set up. Maybe I am being hard on the guy and am just frustrated. But several times it looks like the other 4 players are on the court, watch Evans bring the ball up and know damn well the ball ain’t getting passed to them.
by noreboundsnorings on Nov 18, 2010 10:04 AM PST reply actions
Tyreke
really shouldn’t be bringing the ball upcourt when we’re behind in a game. It tends to freeze the other Kings and fools no one on defense. I know though that K#be, Wade, Jordan, LaBron and many others do it all the time with great success – and it took a while to build that success.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Or as I mentioned in section's thread
He should go at least 3/4 speed, charge across mid-court. He does scare people. He’s bound to often attract at least two defenders and open someone up for an open shot.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
What a shame!
New season still awful! we need to do some trades to save our kings or hire a new coach?
I love my kings but if this keeps up no one will go to games and the kings will leave sacramento and thats the bottom line.
by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Nov 18, 2010 10:12 AM PST reply actions
Only saw the 4th
But I really liked what I saw from DMC. He had several good hustle/energy plays (including where he knocked the ball off the Knick player and got robbed on the call) and he seemed to keep his emotions in check after some borderline calls went against him. Thought he played very well in the 4th, but didn’t see other quarters.
No red attitude flags at all
and he didn’t get some calls he will in the future.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
He was totally screwed on that first traveling call
like half the guys in the NBA don’t exactly that same step-back jumper. He hit the shot too.
There were other calls he’ll get as well when he’s more established if he keeps playing that way.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
You get called for travel
when you bring your pivot foot off the floor and back down before you shoot it.
He did it like 2x on that wacky spin move.
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by caseycheesecake on Nov 18, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
different play
yes, he traveled on that one
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
I’m talking about the one where he spun backward and shot the baseline fadeaway from about 15 feet.
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by caseycheesecake on Nov 18, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
Wasn't a travel IMO
not unless everyone that does that move (and there are a lot) travels.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Like Stoudemire clearly fouling him on a dunk attempt...
…with the ref like 5 feet away. No foul there, ref? Really. Those kinds of non calls really aggravate me because I know damn well that if it had been DMC fouling Amare on a dunk attempt the whistle would’ve blown.
Looking at the replay
It looked like a clean block by Stoudemire to me. There were a couple other times where I thought he should’ve gotten a foul, and there was another time where he probably should’ve gotten a tech under those new “respect the game rules” but he didn’t.
That’s the thing I hate about that new “respect the game rule”. If you’re going to have it in the game, call it consistently, not just early in the game and not down the stretch. Or don’t call it at all then. I think DeMarcus’s exclamation and gestures were a bigger grievance than Amar’es “I didn’t travel!”. Neither play warranted a tech in my opinion, but under these new rules that I don’t like, both should’ve been.
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From what I saw
There was clearly lower body contact between the two, initiated by Stoudemire. But who cares, right? It’s only a foul if the ref calls it! Que sera, sera.
call it consistently, not just early in the game and not down the stretch
I totally agree and wish they would apply that to the officiating in general.
They should just not call it at all
That’s going to be the end result anyways, might as well cut to the chase now.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
DMC was the one guy who really showed up last night
and he was taking a pounding too but apparantly when your that big the refs won’t call much.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 18, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions

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