Donte Greene to Start for 'Forseeable Future'
by Tom Ziller on Nov 18, 2010 2:33 PM PST
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PrintThe Bee's Jason Jones reports that, at practice today, Kings coach Paul Westphal announced Donte Greene will be the starting small forward for the "forseeable future."
Greene started the season opener at Minnesota, then played a total of seven minutes off the bench over the next eight games, a span that included five DNP-CDs and one two-second stint. Westphal said it had not been anything Greene did wrong, but that he had better players to feature at the small forward slot. That included Omri Casspi (who started eight games), Jason Thompson (who, at 6'11 and 250 lbs. had almost exclusively played power forward and center in his career), Antoine Wright, Francisco Garcia and at times guard Tyreke Evans. Thompson was pushed to small forward as Darnell Jackson received minutes at power forward.
Westphal was quoted by Jones Tuesday as saying the team had more pressing matters than finding minutes for Greene. Yet against the Knicks, Westphal inserted Greene for Thompson with eight minutes left in the third quarter. Greene played the remainder of the game. Casspi, who had been Thompson's sub in the first half, didn't come back in until desperation time late in the fourth.
In his eight starts, Casspi averaged 11.1 points in 28.6 minutes a game, shooting 42% from the floor and 39% from three. Greene is a career 33% three-point shooter, but is considered to be a potential impact defender. The Kings are 30th in the league in defensive efficiency.
Jones reports Westphal also said Luther Head will start in the backcourt with Tyreke Evans against New Jersey on Friday.
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I'll have quotes up soon from both Westphal and Greene.
The world is not your Trade Machine.
-Ziller
The lack of commentary
Speak volumes
Never forget, I'm an idiot.
by Exhibit G on Nov 18, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Does there need to be a commentary or opinion when it's been expressed so often around here?
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That's what I thought G
and Pookey, half joking there bud. Though I would’ve still liked to hear something.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
I thought the post read as a commentary to back up the more editorial stuff.
But, yeah, I agree about the lack of “commentary” says all it needs to.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Foreseeable future?
So we can count on it being at least 1 game.
by Citadel 29 on Nov 18, 2010 2:38 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
You can see infinitely further into the future than I can
My FutureVision has been on the fritz.
My hindsight however, is 20/20
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 18, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
JT started the last game
and ended up playing 11 minutes.
Donte coould be one bad shot from another couple weeks of DNPs.
"But the Kings went in another direction, and that’s today’s reality: a full rebuild, multiple coaching changes, 42 wins in two seasons and a 3-6 start this season. Meanwhile, Ron has a ring and is a key cog on the best team in the league, so I guess it worked out OK for him."
Caption Contest
“Donté Greene, a potential impact defender, employs the time-tested crotch grab defense on New York’s Raymond Felton. Felton, being the savvy player he is, throws up the forearm block just in time.”
as a charter member of #teamdonte
i couldnt be happier… lets see if this means that omri now occupies donte’s old spot on the bench and isnt seen or heard from for 7 games.
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
Because that would make Westphal look like a real fucking genius
"What the fuck did I do?" - McNulty
So the question becomes how far into the future Paul Westphal can foresee.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
Obviously not very long
Or he never would’ve taken the job.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 18, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I'm gonna take a shot in the dark here
and go with late February.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 18, 2010 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
So that means...
Are starters are:
1. Evans
2. Head
3. Greene
4. Landry
5. Dalembert
And the first few off the bench are (in no particular order):
6. Udrih
7. Garcia
8. Casspi
9. Cousins
I can live with that.
If Udrih/Garcia/Casspi don't play like 6th graders again
their play (or lack thereof) cost us the game in that 2nd quarter last night.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 18, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
no thompson?
he raps like a 6th grader. Reason enough not to play him
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
Starting him is a way to find him some burn I guess.
I’m just glad that Westie is realizing that Beno’s consistency on the offensive end doesn’t make up for how much of defensive liability he is. Beno is officially the team goat again (goat, not GOAT), all is right with the world.
Dip til I rip
I can live with Head and Donte starting
What bothers be is how indecisive the head coach is at judging players.
First Dontes’ a starter, then he’s the 11th or 12th man, and now he’s the starter again.
I heard someone say that Donte is now within one pound of his weight from last season. I makes me wonder if PW didn’t give him an ultimatum to lose the weight before he gets consistent minutes again?
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What a mess
I have no idea in God’s creation what PW is thinking day to day or what the hell he is basing things on. (sigh)
Does he want to be fired? I’m starting to wonder.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Yes. He wants to be fired. Kudos for getting to the heart of it.
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by andy sims on Nov 18, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Glad Maloof's extended his contract... *Face Palm*
Another lineup means it is another day
KINGS fans confused and in dismay
Season slipping away like on a ice rink
Need a new banner “Here we Sink”
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
by kromeace on Nov 18, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And alas...
we no longer have Kayte to raise our masts
all we have now is old Jim Grey
and a new line-up for a new day
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 18, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair
let’s give him more than 7 losses before we crucify the man. The season is still early and this is a new group. It will take some time to get a rotation in place.
Well
This seemed to be the easiest part of our schedule. 2/3 of the games at home, and we get NJ twice, MIN twice, NYK, DET, etc.? I expected better than 3-7 going into the second Nets game.
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 19, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
It is almost embarrassing
I cannot fathom what Westphal is thinking with the constantly changing messages and lineups. it reeks of having no plan, and throwing things at the wall and hoping something sticks. After over a year coaching the team, I am amazed that there is still so little direction from the coach.
No Plan means you Plan to Fail
I said it a few days ago and it is worth repeating… PW’s latest changes speaks volumes of the whole organization.
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
I admit I am confused
The team has lost 6 games in a row and now the guy has the audacity to change the line up. What is he thinking?
by betweentheeyes on Nov 18, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you on this
I’m fed up with the excuses. I’m okay with losing provided we at least have a game plan.
Are we a half court team, a transition team. Everything is an “iso play”. Reke dribbles down court passes the ball and whoever gets it goes one on one with the defender and shoots the ball.
Ball movement sucks!!!!!!!!!!! And to be the worst team on defense in the league with our talent and our early schedule “Rekes” of incompetency.
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by nothingbutnet on Nov 18, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
I think he's just screwing with us now
He doesn’t even have a flavor of the week, it’s a flavor of the day.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
WTF??????
Somebody get control of PWs meds.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Westphal's teh fired?
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 19, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
If Donte plays well, I have no problem with this.
Casspi’s better off the bench. I would like to see Cisco starting at SG, though.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
That's for the game after next
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
by kwill on Nov 18, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly
I don’t care if Donté starts, as long as he plays.
Never forget, I'm an idiot.
by Exhibit G on Nov 18, 2010 3:12 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I hope someone
is keeping track of all these starting lineups – just to keep us all amused as the number grows.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
Tommorow night will be the 6th different starting lineup.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
That's how I know the Kings will trot out their 6th SL tomorrow night.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
We should consider starting a side bar to track it on the front page.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Replace the Kahn Manna from Heaven joke?
NEVER!
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
That joke has begun to take a turn for the worse.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 18, 2010 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
That's partially because there's a big difference with Kahn in the media and the basketball moves he made.
Kahn’s media manner is awful, but that doesn’t mean every decision he did make was awful. Quite the contrary, I think it will turn out that many of them will be a good decision.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
good point
there are already indications that the Beasly deal was a good one, although it is still early.
Dunking Dutchman
I think there have been far worse GMs
not exactly a ringing endorsement but could be worse
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 19, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
Right.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I really don't see why it's a problem
The season just started and we’re on a 6 game slide. You expected PW to stay the course?
by KingsFan on Nov 18, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
PW staying the course is changing lineups
If he wanted to shake things up a bit he’d go with the same starting five for three or four games
I'm feeling like I want to rage...right now.
-#38
is this a joke?
Not that I don’t want Donte to get playing time but all this shuffling can’t be good for building some cohesiveness on the court. Also, if I were on the Kings, I would probably be starting to think that Coach Westphal is in a bit over his head.
Not that I disagree
But there is a certain irony that these comments come from someone with your particular screen name…
by Rickyflip on Nov 18, 2010 3:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
thank god
Donte has been set free!!!!
by TTown Kings on Nov 18, 2010 3:23 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Out of curiosity...
How many games in a row would he have to lose with the same starting five and a consistent 8-9 man rotation before consistency would cease to be a virtue and devolve into a lack of imagination on Westphal’s part?
Man, I wish I had such a comfy armchair…
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by andy sims on Nov 18, 2010 3:24 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I agree
With everyone being on his case about defense, he is putting a better defensive player, and decent three point shooter in the starting line up. It doesnt mean Donte is going to play 40min a game, but seems like a good coaching move to me. What is it going to do, destroy our delicate chemistry?
Probably another 7 game losing streak
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That would mean we'd have to win the next game!
YAY!
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Somebody please tell me we're going to win the next game
pretty please
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
That would be lying to
lietothegirls
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by SayWhat? on Nov 18, 2010 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We're going to win the next game
It’s payback time for the last time we played them.
"You can have the knowledge that a tomato is a fruit, but it takes wisdom not to put it in a fruit salad." Jerry Reynolds
I dunno, but it would be a refreshing change of pace
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Donte Fan
But it was sketchy that Donte left Gallinari to go help triple (yes triple) team Landry Fields the first 30 seconds he was in the ball game…
Correct me if I'm wrong
But wasn’t it Tuesday (like 48 hours ago) that Westphal said that there were more pressing concerns with this team than finding minutes for Donté Greene?
Any over/under on how long it takes for Westphal to put him in the dog house again?
Any guesses on how JT and Omri will fare in this new lineup change?
Tune in tomorrow for the next installment of “As the Kings Turn”.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 18, 2010 3:32 PM PST reply actions
Any guesses on how JT and Omri will fare in this new lineup change?
I’d like to know what they both think of this, and I’m sure I’m not the only one. JJ, when you get a chance, could you ask?
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
I have spoken to both of them.
Both JT and Omri are guys who just want to play. They aren’t so much interested in the starting debate, they just want minutes and they want to win. One of these guys is about to get aome major splinters in their backside. I assume it will be Thompson unless he can wrestle Darnell Jackson’s minutes or steal a few from Carl.
The world is not your Trade Machine.
-Ziller
by jjham15 on Nov 18, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
What else would they say?
I found JT’s comments in JJ’s notes & quotes pretty telling. He seems bewildered and tries to hide it unsuccesfully.
Casspi, I can only guess. But he must be wondering what the hell he has to do to earn playing time. I remember how he said getting the starting spot and the confidence of the oach helped him, and he responded with some good games. This can’t help his confidence much.
What bothers me is that PW had to talk about the foreseeable future instead of saying: these guys (including Greene) will play against the Nets, without implying a commitment beyond that. What happens if Outlaw burns Greene for 32 points, and the next game Ariza and Peja take him to school?
Dunking Dutchman
Made myself curious with this thought
If Donte gets 20 minutes, who loses 20 minutes?
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
You owe me $10.
You can just give me 11 fifty-dollar bills.
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My guess
is that it is a combination of Casspi and JT and Garcia and Darnell Jackson (JT will get a few of Jackson’s minutes up front).
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i'd like to see wright & jackson sit indefinitely.
you could waive wright right now as far as i’m concerned. jackson is a hard worker but he’s not giving you anything consistently that you can’t get from your other big men. we are 1/8 of the way through the season – no time to panic but hopefully if they haven’t turned it around in 20 games they are smart enough to get whiteside some minutes for development instead of jackson.
Or looking at it another way,
We have 72 games left and only 3 wins. To win 22 of the 72 games, we need to win 30.6% of our remaining games. We won 30.5% of our games last season, so we have to play better than we did last season just to get back to 25 wins.
Tell me that there was anyone who thought that we wouldn’t have a better season than last year. We have to win 45.8% of our remaining games to make it to 35 wins.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Oh HT
Agree or disagree, for the most part I genuinely enjoy your posts.
Others, like this one, give me gas.
You need to watch the games closer.
jackson is a hard worker but he’s not giving you anything consistently that you can’t get from your other big men.
The Kings don’t have a better screener or a player who plays the pick and roll better than Jackson. Add to this that Jackson is the one guy on the team who actually takes all of his shots in the flow of the game and he doesn’t require plays run for him to be effective. Jackson is a much better player than most people think he is. Thompson has a much higher ceiling but Jackson is guy that you love to have on your team.
The world is not your Trade Machine.
-Ziller
by jjham15 on Nov 18, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Rec'd. For realz.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
funny.
that is stretching 45 points a loooooonngggg way. seriously – i don’t have anything against the guy but let’s not make him out to be more than he is. JT has 40 rbs in 137 mins vs DJ at 24 rbs in 125 mins. That’s a pretty big gap for such a small sample size. scoring is almost even over that same time.
you are absolutely right – i love having jackson on the team – i just don’t want him playing in front of better players.
Well
With such a small sample size, the big gap actually means less, but I get what you’re saying.
I would go with their career rebounding percentage numbers, which favor JT.
JT: 11.3% Offensive 19.8% Defensive 15.5% Total
DJ: 9.4% Offensive 13.7% Defensive 11.6% Total
JT’s a good rebounder, and is surely better than DJ, like you say.
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He was sure lost last night
His turn to take the night off his meds I guess
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
He plays smart. Definitely give him that.
I think that JT has much more upside though. Given time JT develop into the rebounder that Carl isn’t, the scorer that Carl is, and hopefully close to as savvy as Jackson. Probably not as savvy, but his upside should dictate that he gets minutes.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
5 minutes from Casspi, all 10 of JT's minutes at the three (JT gets Darnell's minutes)
and probably 5 from Beno/Cisco.
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I think it's funny
you guys actually think you can predict the minutes PW will give out.
Hilarious (sigh)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
The beauty is
that we all stand to be right at least once.
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Oh, Donte' will start the next few games
but play 20 or fewer minutes in each averaged over the three.
I’m calling it!
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
He'll probably score 30+ against the F@kers and then get benched.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Sometimes it looks like Westphal's only purpose is
to make those off-season Kings quizzes as difficult as possible.
“Name the 56 Kings starting lineups in 2010-11 (5 mins)”.
Seriously though, I think he should have named Greene as the starter “for the foressable future” from the beginning. The way he threw him in the garbage after just one start had a bad impact both on the player and on the chance to create some chemistry and bonding.
by ZenBaller on Nov 18, 2010 4:10 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I gotta say, PW confuses me sometimes
On the one hand, I appreciate the fact that he’s willing to switch up the starters and rotations depending on the effectiveness of the players as well as the opponents. On the other hand, you need some amount of consistency and, to me, it makes no sense that Donte would be essentially ignored for 8 games and then suddenly be a starter again. Some balance between the two extremes would be nice.
And for the record, I love that Donte will be getting some time again. It makes no sense to play JT at the 3, so I hope this will be an indicator of more regular rotations in the future.
"Oh, hello Mater. Um...sorry about pulling the plug on you and all. Who would've thought you'd pull through...and live...for another five decades? Boy, is my face red!"
Now it can be told:
Donté had a scorching case of the clap. The CBA strictly forbids players who test positive for venereal disease to play against, sweat on, ass-pat and nut-grab other players while they are infected. Think, people! Greene was the starter, then he disappeared for the exact amount of time required for a course of ceftriaxone to do its work.
You all may be educated, but you cannot read between the lines at all.
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by andy sims on Nov 18, 2010 4:27 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm just curious if you had to do any research to learn the name of that drug...
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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 18, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
Aside from sneaking a quick look at the bottle in the cupboard?
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
In the cupboard, really?
Not worried about mom searching for a saucer and coming across the VD meds?
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 18, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
Your mom, maybe.
Don’t play with fire, son. You get burnt.
Full circle on the gonorrhea, FTW.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
Sweet, Andy Sims gave my mom the clap.
Time to update the ’ol CV.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 19, 2010 6:34 AM PST up reply actions
Westphal's coaching campaign plan
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 18, 2010 4:33 PM PST reply actions 15 recs
PW is talking to Peaches right now
nonsense
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
Most redundant comment EVAR
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
Yes
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 18, 2010 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
what happend to pooh jeter
he played in one game then that was it, he might be able to guard some of these guards that are torching us every game
I like him
but Head is a much better defender, and brings a lot of the same positives Pooh has
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
what about when beno has been struggling they need to try to switch things up at that position
they need to not dress antoine wright to make room for pooh
From what I saw in Preseason
Pooh doesn’t bring enough on either end of the floor. He’s more quick and pesky than Beno, but he’s so small that guys just shoot over him.
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This is pretty unbelievable
First people jump on Wesphal because he doesn’t play Donte. Now he is going to play start Donte and people are freaking out about him continuously changing the lineup. Get a grip people. The Kings right now are a bad team. If Wesphal kept the same lineup over and over, and we kept losing, people would just attack him for not trying anything new. Haters gonna hate, and I think thats all this is.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
by Ellimist on Nov 18, 2010 5:23 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I think it's a little more complicated than your generalization indicates
People here are divided about Westphal. Even at that, people on both sides of that spectrum can see how his flip-flopping on the Greene issue is almost comical at this point. And I think it’s a fair question to ask if Westphal is in over his head.
This may well be the right move, but right now PW gives off the air of a guy whose just throwing random things at the wall to see if they stick.
And this idea that people would attack him for keeping the same lineup over and over is asinine. I’m sure some would, I personally wouldn’t be among them. And hell, what if it worked????
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
the problem with keeping the same lineup over and over
is that it would NOT work…because we’re not yet a very good team…
So PW is caught in a Catch 22. It’s better to be consistent, and it’s better to have a 7 to 8 man rotation. Both of those traits are hallmarks of better teams. But if we did that, we’d lose a lot (anyway) and the fans would FREAK that so-and-so is not getting a chance to see if he’d help out. He’d get second guessed right out of a job.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
I completely and wholeheartedly disagree
He’s being second guessed as it is, and what’s worse – he’s looking weak by appearing clueless on lineups and rotations. This is now one season plus ten games and the team is getting progressively worse – and he’s still changing the lineups and rotations constantly.
Seriously, how could it get worse?
I’m just hoping he’ll try the one thing he apparently hasn’t thought of – and that’s to stick with a core group of his best basketball players for a few weeks and see if they can develop some cohesion. Why does that sound so crazy?
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
by otis29 on Nov 18, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
try picking the best 7 right now and I think you'll see his dilemma
I’m disappointed (very) that we’re not better than last year at game 10, but we’re also so different. And still so young. Teams get better when they stay together and when their average age is 26-30, not 20-25. From last year to this year, we’ve shuffled the personnel again, AND gotten younger. And one guy who we could have expected to come back improved and could serve to make the rotations more cohesive came back WORSE than last year because of his weight.
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by Holmdel on Nov 18, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There you go
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Tyreke, Cousins, Dalembert, Landry, Casspi, Head, Greene
Would be my 7. And my guess is that the JT fans would LOSE THEIR SHIT!! And we might even find out that there are Beno fans. To lose their shit.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
my point exactly
(and yeah, I forgot that Cisco would be left out, and his fans would lose their shit, too)
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
I wouldn't say 7
You’ve got 8 guys that should get minutes. Reke, DMC, Dalembert, Landry, Garcia, Casspi, JT, and Beno. Maybe Donte in a pinch, but primarily those 8.
Those other guys play if you’ve got injuries or foul trouble.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
That's probably going to happen anyway
He’d get second guessed right out of a job.
"But the Kings went in another direction, and that’s today’s reality: a full rebuild, multiple coaching changes, 42 wins in two seasons and a 3-6 start this season. Meanwhile, Ron has a ring and is a key cog on the best team in the league, so I guess it worked out OK for him."
Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen
The hysterics are starting to really turn me off this site altogether. Get a grip everyone. Like Axl says, we need a little “paaaaaaaaatience, yeah, yeah”.
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by Holmdel on Nov 18, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Patience is not the problem
The fact that players drafted by the Kings aren’t getting a chance to play through mistakes is, for me at least.
Going in to the season we all knew we were going to lose a lot of games. It’s the fashion in which it’s happening that is unsettling. I have no problem with losing as long as our young players don’t get fish-hooked so “Journeyman A” can trim the deficit from 20 down to 15.
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by The Artist Formerly Known as CrownUs93 on Nov 18, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with
the Kings aren’t getting a chance to play through mistakes
as long as it’s one of my favorites.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Good post
I agree. The mob is really working up a froth, eh. I for one am glad the Kings have a coach that’s willing to think outside the box. He’s willing to experiment with different chemistry. Like I said, let’s wait and see how many wins he can get. I really don’t care if he has a different lineup every day as long as the Kings win some games. It actually makes it more interesting.
A six game losing streak against bad teams will tend to get the froth going . . . .
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Nov 19, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
So we're all in agreement
(1) There needs to be more stability
(2) Westphal needs to be less rigid
(3) We need to shorten the rotation so these players can develop more chemistry
(4) I don’t care who starts, as long as (fill in blank with one of 11 players) plays
(5) If only PW would follow our completely contradictory wishes, we’d be doing fine
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And if we all agreed with Holmdel, this would be Holmdel's favorite message board
Come on people!
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
(it is Holmdel's favorite message board...sigh)
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by Aykis16 on Nov 18, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
we are really
really really a bad team depth vs. talent wise
I would think that people's strong reactions
dont come from him changing the starting lineup, but him inserting someone as a starter had 6 dnp’s in seven games.
There was obviously something that happened that the fans dont know about
to cause this. I think part of the reactions are because we dont know what happened.
If I had to guess
It was strictly reactionary – Donte played with great energy against the Knicks, so Donte is now the starter.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
It will be interesting to see
if this starting lineup can stay close on RBs with a below avg PF and SF on the front line.
I would prefer Donte in with JT, even if it means JT starts too.
But I will root for its success.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Maybe it took him too long to find it
but I actually think PW might have it right this time. More than anything, this lineup says that the coach is tired of his team looking like fools on the defensive end of the court. Maybe this isn’t the most offensively potent group of guys, but we should see a fairly drastic reduction in the amount of defensive facepalms throughout the game. Offensive potency isn’t enough anymore if you can’t avoid committing stupid fouls and getting completely lost on defense (Beno, Omri, that means you guys. What about Tyreke? How dare you!).
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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 18, 2010 7:31 PM PST reply actions
I havent been on here lately, but what exactly is your guy’s opinion on all of this nonsense
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The lineup changing every day, unable to develop any player consistency, I guess it is stupid for me to ask but I actually wanna see the king do nd
this type of stuff frustrates me.
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How's abouts you start by reading the 120+ comments in this thread, and let us know where we can fill in the blanks?
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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 18, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed 100%
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by section214 on Nov 18, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 12 recs
haha!
way too perfect
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 18, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
LMAO!
"You can have the knowledge that a tomato is a fruit, but it takes wisdom not to put it in a fruit salad." Jerry Reynolds
oops, nm. Casspi has been struggling on D, so I get this move.
Cousins keeps looking better and better each game, especially physically. He just turned 20, which is crazy because he could get even bigger and stronger. He isn’t as powerful as Shaq yet, but he has been getting hacked and hasn’t been getting the calls because he is a rookie. When he gets seniority, look out.
by MarcusC on Nov 18, 2010 9:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Should I rename myself ElRonToro A?
I assume Marcus is reporting his HS GPA after his name.
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I don't think he's in high school yet
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I'm still laughing like a dumbass
Definitely in the running for comment of the week
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Its up there for sure
There have been a lot of good ones this week. Gonna be tough.
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Is that from some cult you belong to?
a little scary
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2010 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
Yea it is I suppose
Did a little background check and found out, there is a bit of a subplot to the photo.
Def an Aussie thing, Some of the clips at the end of the video were hilarious.
That's hot.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 19, 2010 6:37 AM PST up reply actions
She's wearing the plastic poncho...
…obviously she’s done this before.
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by PhutureKings on Nov 19, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What do I want until it turns which color?
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by section214 on Nov 18, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Funny again
But “Here we writhe” is my all time favorite comment in my year on the board.
by MichaelMack on Nov 18, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
I think it's time to replace "Crazy Cowpoke Passion"
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Well, at least PW is giving us something to talk about
other than losing.
A diabolically clever plan!
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
Reke is illing
To me, theres some bad mojo. PW is wrong to sit Donte; it’s fallout or punishment to get to his weight.
Also, Tyreke is hurt. He doesn’t have his lift, he’s bullying everything… Leaves feet n turnovers.
I’d like to see him rest and get healthier.
Ste8Up
by str8up on Nov 19, 2010 4:17 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I was thinking the same thing
Not sure how much it would hurt to give Tyreke a game or two off.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
I love that you signed your posting, and then spelled your own name wrong.
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by andy sims on Nov 19, 2010 6:36 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
That was rad.
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by PhutureKings on Nov 19, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
At first I was completely baffled by this decision, but I (or rather Norm MacDonald) have a theory about the decision to start Donte....
Think about it….how could a guy go from not being good enough to even be allowed on the court, to being so good that now he’s a starter? It was inexplicable to me, because, let’s face it, 8 games is not enough time for a dude to learn how to play. Then it occurred to me, Donte hasn’t gotten better, the team has gotten really bad! So, yeah, Donte is good compared to, you know, everyone else. OK, so let’s recap, the bad news is: Donte still sucks. The good news is: the team blows!
Norm MacDonald SNL Monologue: When the people here asked me to do the show, I’ve got to say, I felt kind of weird. I don’t know if you remember this, but I used to actually be on this show. I used to do the “Weekend Update” news routine, you remember that? That’s where I did the make-believe news jokes. That was me, you know? So then, a year and a half ago, I had sort of a disagreement with the management at NBC. I wanted to keep my job. Right? And they felt the exact opposite. They fired me because they said that I wasn’t funny. Now, with most jobs, I could have had a hell of a lawsuit on my hands for that, but see, this is a comedy show. So, they got me. But, now, this is the weird part, it’s only a year and a half later, and now, they ask me to host the show. So I wondered, how did I go from being not funny enough to be even allowed in the building, to being so funny that I’m now hosting the show? How did I suddenly get so goddamn funny?! It was inexplicable to me, because, let’s face it, a year and a half is not enough time for a dude to learn how to be funny! Then it occurred to me, I haven’t gotten funnier, the show has gotten really bad! So, yeah, I’m funny compared to, you know, what you’ll see later. Okay, so let’s recap, the bad news is: I’m still not funny. The good news is: The show blows! Alright, folks, we’ve got a great show for you tonight! Dr. Dre, Snoop Doggie Dogg and Eminem are here. We’ll be right back!
by Charlieb on Nov 19, 2010 4:32 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
This must be green(e).
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by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 19, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
I think I might just give this whole thread Comment of the Week
Full of win.
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He goes from being Westphal's favorite number 2, to his starting number 3?
Greene is going to need a good shrink sooner than later..
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