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There has been a little bit of conversation around here lately in regards to the player rotations for the Sacramento Kings Basketball Club. And because we have not yet really beaten the topic to death with a blunt instrument, I thought that a post on the topic might be in order.
To paraphrase the late, great O.J. Simpson (OJ is dead to me), I am a great "exponent" of tightening the rotations. I have mentioned in the past that I see the current roster as more wide than deep. It is really a compilation of players that have different skill sets, but similar overall talent levels (exception Tyreke Evans). Dalembert is a shot blocker while Landry is a scorer while Cousins is a prospect while Thompson is a rebounder…Head seems to be the better defender while Udrih is the better ball handler while Garcia is the better deep shooter…Casspi is the streakier better scorer while Greene is the better eater defender while Wright does the best Desmond Mason impression…
And therein lies the rub. Almost everyone agrees that the rotations need to be tightened and settled, yet few agree on what the rotation should be. There are those of us that would like to see various combinations of the following players as starters: Dalembert, Landry, Cousins, Casspi, Greene, Garcia, Udrih, Head, Evans. That’s nine guys, and we’re just trying to churn out a starting lineup.
Basically, Westphal can’t win for losing here. No sympathy for PW, as he helped create this mess. But simply, if he tightens the rotation and sets the lineup, someone is the odd person out. And it’s not as easy as just shuffling the nine players that I mentioned, because you still need to add a 4th big to the rotation stew. Trust me, given Dalembert’s offensive limitations and Cousins’ knack for volume fouls, you want a 4th big on that wall, you need a 4th big on that wall.
I was going to attempt to do this in poll form, but the combinations are so many that it is just impossible. So we’ll have to state our preferences in the thread. Actually, you’ll have to state your preferences in the thread. I get to do mine in the main post. Privileges of the moderator, though it is in lieu of a Christmas holiday bonus (that last strike through courtesy of the SBN Political Correctness Committee, sponsored by Samsung. Samsung – Enhance Your Experience!).
For the purpose of this mad little experiment, let’s not involve ourselves in minutes dispersal. Let’s concentrate on our starting five, and the 3-4 bench players that you would use to complete the core rotation. I’ve capped the rotation at 9 players, because 10 really thins out the available minutes too much. This does not mean that the five players left out of the rotation receive zero playing time, but their playing time would be restricted to specific situations (need to get an extra rebounder or shooter on the floor for a late game situation, etc.) or garbage time. For example:
My starting backcourt is Evans and Head. This may not work out in the long term, but I have seen absolutely nothing to make me believe that Evans/Udrih or Evans/Garcia make for a legitimate NBA starting backcourt. Head has length and seems to be interested in playing defense. He can guard 1’s or 2’s. He can handle, though he is certainly not a great distributor. I choose Head over Udrih because I just don’t think that Udrih’s offensive contributions make up for his defensive deficiencies. And I choose Head over Garcia because I think that Evans/Head is much more versatile on the defensive end of the floor than Evans/Garcia. Luther Head as a starting guard with Evans is a low risk/reward move when you consider the alternatives. It could fail miserably, but it’s worth a shot.
My starting front line is Cousins, Landry and Greene. There is no doubt that Dalembert is light years ahead of Cousins on the defensive side of the ball, but I really like the offensive synergy between Cousins and Landry. And honestly, with Evans and Head as your backcourt, a little of Cousins’ interior passing ability would be a big boost to the offense. Greene fills out the frontcourt. Job #1 for Donté is man defense. Job #2 is taking (and making!) wing 3’s when the defense sags on Tyreke or the other bigs. Job #3 is to learn how to cut to the basket and take advantage of Cousins’ passing ability. And while it’s understood that he will often be covering the other team’s best scorer, it’s OK for Donté to grab a few rebounds here and there.
My main three off the bench are Dalembert up front, Udrih in the backcourt, and Casspi or Garcia on the wing (one wins, one loses). Dalembert is an obvious choice. Udrih is the best option for providing a backcourt spark off the bench, and if he gets to spend a portion of his floor time covering the other team’s bench players, all the better. Casspi would be my wing backup, but if he doesn’t get more consistent as a defensive player he could lose that spot to Garcia. My 9th and final guy is Jason Thompson as the 4th big. He plays more minutes on the nights that Cousins gets into foul trouble and less minutes on the nights that he doesn’t. As a 9th guy and a guy off the bench, I like him better than Jackson, though not by a lot.
I put Garcia, Jackson, and Jeter on the end of the bench. The fact that Garcia and Jackson will now see few minutes will certainly be unpopular in some circles, but that’s kind of my point. If not them, then who would you sit? Whiteside and Wright wear suits until someone gets hurt.
There you have it. Problem solved. The Kings go on a 46-26 tear, finishing 49-33…and missing the playoffs by one game, enabling each of us to select our own specific moment from our own specific game that cost us the playoffs.
OK, it’s your turn. List your starting lineup and total 8-9 man rotation in the thread, including your reasoning (note – reasoning optional!). Ready, aim, fire (Westphal)!
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Evans, Garcia, Greene, Cousins, Dalembert
I must have more faith in the Garcia/Evans pairing than most, because I’m still convinced it’s the best in-house answer we have. I want to force teams to guard Evans with their PGs, and Cousins with their PFs. It’s time to make teams adjust to us, rather than the opposite. Landry quick off the bench for whatever big is tired/foul trouble first, Casspi first wing off the bench, and Beno as the guard. JT fills out the rotation as 4th big/9th man.
by LPKingsFan on Nov 19, 2010 1:39 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
top 9
Cousins, Landry , Greene, Tyreke, Garcia
Udrih, casspi, JT and Sami D
by SACsac on Nov 19, 2010 1:39 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Rotations:
Starters: ’Reke, Cisco, Casspi, Landry, Dalembert
Bench: Beno, JT, DMC
Break seal in case of emergency: Greene, Head
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Great post. And I like your picks, but I would strongly favor 8, not 9. I think 9 is a cop-out and doesn't get you
the benefits of a tight rotation: time to gel, time to get in rhythm, reliable production.
So, I say: Reke, Head, Greene, Landry, Cousins
Bench: Dalembert, Beno, Casspi.
And we let these guys develop and improve and learn their roles, and who cares if we are 6 and 44 after the first 50 games.
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by Holmdel on Nov 19, 2010 1:57 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with your sentiments regarding 8/9
If it weren’t for the fact that Dalembert/Cousins simply aren’t capable of combining for 60+ minutes right now, I would drop JT from the rotation.
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can't argue with you
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That's not bad,
but zero Cisco? I think I’d rather have Cisco playing than Head…
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 19, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
I don’t know how you don’t play a guy that’s clearly the best shooter on the team, is 2nd on the team in blocks and steels from the SF position, and has less then 1 TO a game. Sounds like someone that should be getting more minutes.
I agree with your sentiments - Cisco is better than a #10 man on this team
Since you mention Garcia at the 3, who drops out of the rotation – Greene or Casspi?
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Thats a tough one
I really want him to play SG to be honest, and have Head the one on the bench. Head is playing so well right now though, it would be hard to take him out. My ideal rotation would be
Tyreke 35
Cisco 26
DG 32
Landry 30
Dally 24
Bench
Beno 24
Casspi 20
Cousins 25
Thompson 24
by elSAVinator on Nov 20, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Sooooo
Reke, Cisco, Casspi, JT, and Dalambert
with Landry, Beno, and Cousins getting plenty of time, and sneaking in some Donte.
My Eight.
Starters:
Dalembert
Landry
Greene
Evans
Beno
My reasoning:
Dalembert should ideally be our defensive goaltender. Our perimeter “D” is not fantastic, but in funneling the action to him we can stop much of the 10 foot-in offense. The perimeter defense is poor, which is why it should be overplaying and allowing penetration – that is why we HAVE Dalembert. Let an elite shot blocker block shots. Chase guys off their spots and allow the goalie to do his job. This helps cover for Beno’s lack of ‘D’ – and unfortunately Evans’s (he has been poor this year so far). This is also why I put Grene in the starting 5. He is a defensive presence who has four position defensive versatility and doesn’t demand the ball in a rotation (aside from our current offensive futility) which has three ample scorers. He can hit the spot up three. Beno helps with ball movement when Evans stagnates, and he has a mid-range game and can hit the three. Landry is a legitimate post scorer who also can hit out to 18. He can go inside or out which allows for the posting of Evans (something I have been SCREAMING for – and are finally starting to try). He provides grit to a fairly soft team. Finally Evans: Time to be tough on Tyreke – he is NOT getting it done. None of this works if he doesn’t start realizing that this is a team sport. He has oddles of talent but an increasingly 10 cent head. He needs to let the game come to him and stop insisting on attempting to take what isn’t there. He is a walking mismatch – one that CAN pass. He needs to realize this EVERY TIME he is doubled, or the defense rotates to stop him – SOMEONE ELSE IS WIDE OPEN! He creates defensive holes. In addition, he MUST start hitting the 16-18 foot uncontested jumper. Just a suggestion – don’t fade away when you are uncovered. He has horrible shooting form – I don’t care what people here see. Square-up, follow through, stay balanced, more wrist, less elbow/forearm. In shooting you want the fewest moving parts possible. It is just like a stroke sport – your shooting hand is the lever. Fewer variables are better since you are duplicating a motion. Your body is the platform for an upper body motion that should NEVER change.
The Bench:
DMC
Casspi
Cisco
When need to provide a big due to foul trouble – Darnell Jackson
Jason Thompson – TRADE (has value, we DON’T need, will not be resigned for legitimate money)
My reasoning:
DeMarcus has oddles of ability. That being said, he is a 20 year old kid. We already have a 21 year old kid in the backcourt who is having trouble sharing the ball. Both on the court at this point in the season should be minimized as they are both ball-demanding egos. I LOVE DMC and was fully in support of taking him, but this needs to be nurtured. Starting him currently is hugely unnecessary and possibly counter-productive. Make him 6th man and run the second team offense through him EVERY game. I love Casspi’s game and he spreads the floor for DMC. Cisco is the adult on the 2nd team. He is good at many things, great at none. One of our better defenders who can also shoot and handle the ball. Great glue guy, which you need while running things through DMC.
Head should not play major minutes. He should be a three point specialist.
D. Jackson is Lawrence Funderburke reincarnated. Mature beyond his years. A total pro. Always ready. Always productive. Doesn’t need to be part of the set rotation.
SHORTEN THE BENCH!!!! Define some roles!!
I'm with you for most of it... But with the team's current style I would emphasize defense
Reke starts as our primary ball handler/playmaker. We aren’t going to win a ton of games this year, so I put the ball in his hands and force him to improve his game on the fly.
Head, starts as the other guard for all the reasons you listed above.
Donte starts at the three for defensive purposes. He may not be the scorer that Omri can be, but his defense on the perimeter will help establish a solid defense to start games, while Omri has been consistently getting beat early. If we want to play a half court offense (not that I do, but thats how the team seems to play under PW/Tyreke currently) we need to set the tone of the game on the defensive end, and i just don’t think Omri is ready for that yet. Its impossible to set a defensive tone off the bench when you are already down 10. Donte is assigned to guard the opposing teams best 2 or 3, so that Tyreke doesn’t have to guard the Kobe’s/Melo’s etc.
Landry starts at the four for offense. Feed him down low early and often. You live with his defensive deficiencies, in exchange for his scoring.
Sammy D. starts at the five but is the first player subbed out in the 1st quarter. This again helps control the tone of the game from the jump. On defense he plays inside, and on offense he sets picks, and looks for rebounds, thats it. Any post offense runs through Landry. Tyreke and Sammy need to build some PnR chemistry, and I emphasize that players in practice.
My bench is:
Cousins: First of the bench after just about four-five minutes of Dally. While they split minutes, I want a one two punch of Dally’s D and Cousins’ fire in the first quarter. As soon as Cousins shows he can be an above average defender, he takes the starting role. Until then, bench scoring and energy are his assignments.
Omri is next off the bench. We have more to gain from Omri’s future than from Beno or Cisco. Omri brings energy and scoring, and needs the experience only playing time can give.
Cisco is my third guard. With Tyreke playing big minutes we will only have a Cisco/Head backcourt for limited minutes. I know this leaves us hurting for playmakers while Reke is out, but Beno’s defense is just too vulnerable to allow him to play big minutes right now. This was the only tough choice for me, because I know how important Beno is to this team. I love his offense, but we can’t afford to be playing 4 on 5 on D.
JT is my last bench player. As the fourth big he will play most his minutes at the 4, gobbling up rebounds and playing a short range offensive game. His defense is decent enough to play alongside cousins without getting beat down.
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
Granted...
this line up changes drastically if the team decides to speed up their offense.
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
rotation, rotation
Reke, Beno, Greene, Landry, Dal
Omri, JT, Garcia, DMC
Head does nothing for me (print that!). Jackson hustles but not worth wasting minutes. Our defense sucks and will continue to suck for the most part regardless of who we put on the floor – I’m pretty much convinced of that. I’m thinking of offense.
Reke & Beno – play well off each other and both are capable of getting open looks for guys (Greene & SD). Playing DG with those two also eliminates his need (that he feels and no one else does) to put the ball on the floor and drive to the basket. Landry gives you the low post scoring threat on the 1st string.
Bench mob – I can see playing all those guys at once along side Beno or Reke. Omri & Garcia are your outside threats, DMC your low post threat. JT the man on the boards.
NOTE – my starters are not my final 5 on the floor at the end of the game. I’d have in Omri over Greene at the end as well either JT or DMC (whomever is playing better that game) over SD.
I'm guessing that only 2 players make it into 90% of the starting lineups.
Tyreke & Landry
And, as Section pointed out
see the current roster as more wide than deep. It is really a compilation of players that have different skill sets, but similar overall talent levels
So, why Cuz offers scoring and passing, Sammy offers defense and shot blocking. The skills at the 3 are similar, in that Cisco offers shooting and experience, Donte offers size and defense, and Casspi offers energy and effort. As pointed out, Head offers defense, Beno offers shooting off the dribble (maybe the only one on the team), and Pooh offers ball handling and court vision.
So, it doesn’t seem to be any sure winners here. So here’s mine.
I’d pick Head for his defense, but he gives up the dribble under pressure just as quick as Beno. So, my starters are;
Pooh, Tyreke, Casspi, Landry & Cousins
Bench in order off:
Dalembert, Beno, Greene & Garcia
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I don't need to see
Thompson, Wright, Jackson, Jeter at all. Start there.
An 8 man rotation would be nice, but asking too much of Westphal who seems to demand to make the rotations as unusual as possible.
Tyreke, Garcia, Udrih and Head are the guards. Casspi and Greene are the 3’s. Cousins, Landy and Dalembert are the front court. If you need more I say get Whiteside some time, remember him!?
I wish Udrih played better D because The Kings could have a very good back court playing 40 minutes with just the occasional sub in Garcia and Head. Casspi can sub for Greene and vice-versa. Leave the SF there with just those two. Dalembert can start at Center and Landry at PF, and Cousins can spell either.
My rotation.
I start with Tyreke for obvious reasons.
I start Beno because he is A) the best fit with Tyreke offensively and B) Beno isn’t the only hole on this team defensively. I think if you start playing better offense, than your defense is less of a liability.
I start……….not sure who i start at the 3. Greene should be the starter, but hasn’t shown consistency at all up to this point. He hasn’t shown consistently he will do what it takes to get minutes. Omri Casspi, on the other hand, has tried to earn his minutes and isn’t ready yet. I don’t like Cisco at the 3 and never will. He is my backup SG though. I’ll go with Greene because I think Omri’s fire and energy off the bench is necessary.
I would start Dalembert and Cousins at the 4/5. I think that’s been the design from day one to help both the offense and defense with the Kings size in the middle. You gotta play both of those guys in your starting lineup or else I don’t think it’s going to be as effective if you’re playing Dalembert/Landry or Landry/Cousins.
I bring Landry, Garcia, Thompson and Casspi off the bench depending on the matchups.
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My ideal lineup
Reke, Cisco, Greene, Landry, Dalembert
Guys off the bench: Udrih, Casspi, Cousins, Thompson
End of Bench: Head, Jackson, Jeter
Inactive: Whiteside, Wright
Reasoning:
Honestly, Luther Head has been our most consistent perimeter defender. But I see Cisco as the better overall player and shooter, while not lacking too much on defense. I also like the size advantage he gives us in the backcourt.
I’d also like to start Cousins, but I feel that starting Dalembert is the safer option for the rook, who has a penchant for bad fouls, and he can come in off the bench knowing what needs to be done and what the pace of the game is.
Udrih gets minutes because he can be deadly offensively, if a porous defender, Casspi gets minutes to bring energy and shooting, Thompson gets minutes because he can pair up with all three other bigs at either the 4 or the 5.
Head, Jackson and Jeter hit the end of the bench and don’t come in unless we’re really lacking in either defense (Head or Jackson) or need a change of pace on Offense (Jeter). Wright goes inactive because he brings nothing. Whiteside is too raw, probably needs to go to Reno when the Kings get their first long road trip unless they’re are injuries.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 19, 2010 2:16 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
letter to the Kings
Dear Maloof’s…
Please read Sactown Royalty posts in regard to lineups. Although the suggestions may not all be winners, it seems many have at least an idea of what to do, which is more then I can say for PW.
Thank you and please add more cheese to the nachos.
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
Letter to the Kings
Dear Maloof’s…
Please don’t read Sactown Royalty posts in regard to lineups. Even mine.
P.S. I do agree you need to add more cheese to the nachos AND you should bring beer prices down a buck or two.
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by otis29 on Nov 19, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd like the Pizza a little crisper also
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Definitely agree about the beer.
I could buy a 12 pack for the amount a 24 oz is at the games.
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Dear Maloofs
Please read our lineup suggestions and force PW to make them happen. That won’t anger him. Trust me. You guys are better coaches anyway.
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By far the best
(I like a little trash talk)
Evans Garcia Greene JT Dalembert start
with Cousins Udrih and Casspi off the bench
Landry is my 9th as I hate his crappy ass rebounding (even though he’s been better lately, it’ll come back to the norm) but bring him in if the O gets sluggish.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
yeah, because
The Kings need to start a PF who can’t score in the paint. Great.
Trade Thompson to a soft team, right now.
I'd rather have a soft one who rebounds
than a tough one who doesn’t
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
I think Garcia has been one of the better players this year
I’d put him higher on the play order, perhaps before Casspi off the bench.
My Preference
Starters
Reke: 38
Cisco: 25
Greene: 30
Landry: 33
Cousins: 25
Bench
Beno: 20
Casspi: 25
Dalembert: 20
JT: 15
Head: 9
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
So 90 minutes into this post,
and Evans is the only unanimous starter, while Wright and Whiteside are the only guys that have not cracked the top 9. Crazy times.
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OK then, you asked for it
Whiteside, Jackson, Wright, Head, and Jeter.
The bizarro starting lineup.
by Mityt on Nov 19, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
takeaway: maybe PW's challenge is harder than we thought
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Well, part of it is certainly his own doing,
but I think you’re right.
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yeah, and part of it is the FO
need to make a quantity for quality move, unless the plan is to let free agency take care of it, but why lose guys for nothing if you don’t have to?
Good point
Of course, these logjams of mediocrity have only existed for a short period of time, so I will be interested to see what the next move is.
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Which was your point about how can you create consistency when there isn't a clear consistent rotation, was it not?
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Well, it's an interesting conundrum
I mean, I think we all agree that there needs to be a set rotation. But it appears that most of us would be unable to agree on said rotation. Myself, I’m to the point where I would just like to see a rotation chosen and commited to for the next 30 days.
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I agree with that up to a point.
But it’s hard to stick with a guy who isn’t producing. At some point, somebody is going to have to grab that brass ring.
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My 2
Starters:
PG-Evans
SG-Garcia
SF-Greene
PF-Thompson
C-Cousins
Reasoning: at some point Evans and Cousins are going to have to learn to play together. Thompson, Greene, & Garcia won’t get in the way of that.
Bench:
PF-Landry
PG-Beno
C-Dalembert
SF-Casspi
Reasoning: You can do worse than Landry & Beno anchoring your second unit, Casspi & Dalembert bring more to the table than the rest of the bench.
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by The Artist Formerly Known as CrownUs93 on Nov 19, 2010 3:25 PM PST reply actions
This is my take. Maybe a tad controversial, I don't know.
Head
Evans
Donte
Thompson
Cousins
First off the bench, getting majority of minutes: Landry
2nd off the bench: Dalembert
3rd off bench: Udrih
4th: Casspi
I think that Thompson’s rebounding is very important, and that this move would lead to a fairly balanced (if not foul-prone) starting line. I also feel that Thompson is a “slow burn” sort of player. Landry gets to come in and not have to worry about as many other aspects of the game. Come in and abuse the backup PF.
Dalembert comes in to spell Cousins, and especially with DMC’s fouling, he will still be getting some major burn. DMC brings so much more to the offensive end that I feel his starting is necessary for the success of the team.
Greene is another “slow-burner”, the more minutes he gets, the more you can see out of him. Casspi can come in and provide a spark, much like Westphal had originally intended (supposedly).
Udrih is able to spell both positions, and so I feel that he would be the best guard off of the bench. He can be another instant offense option (along with Landry and Casspi). Head and Tyreke has already been explained by pretty much everyone else.
If the young, foul-prone super rebounders get themselves in trouble, you can bring in the vets (Landry and Dalembert) to play the majority. If the Rebound Brothers stay out of trouble, I think that it could turn out really well for us.
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
as long as we are on the subject
how many more DNRs (did not report) does Jim Gray throw up before we get Kayte back in the starting lineup?
My Hypothetical Lineup
1: WaBeno / Head / Cisco / Evans
2. Cisco/ Casspi/ Greene
3. Evans / Greene / Casspi
4. Landry / JT/ DJ
5. Dalembert / Cuz
I think Evans will thrive playing off the ball a little more, and with two shooters on the floor. I’m personally tired of seeing him bring the ball up and go 1-1. And how many 3’s can overpower Evans? Not many.
The big flaw here is that there’s no dependable backup point guard. I still can’t believe Atlanta wouldn’t trade Teague for JT.
Starting Five:
Evans
Garcia
Greene
Landry
Dalembert
Bench:
Udrih
Casspi
Cousins
Thompson
The starting five consist of two main offensive options in Evans and Landry. You get penetration from Evans when needed, and you can also throw the ball to Landry to give Evans a relative rest. Garcia and Greene get the green light to put down threes when open, and…uh, Dalembert can receive the ball when Evans is in mid-air and doesn’t know who to pass to.
Defensively, you have Greene and Garcia to tie up the opponents SG-SF. Evans will have to learn how to guard the quicker PG’s of the league, but gets the help of Dalembert when he chooses to not run through screens (which is most of the time). Landry isn’t a great defender, but he’s not detrimental on that end either.
As far as the subs go, if Westphal decides to sub the masses and brings in all four subs I mentioned at once, we’ll have an overwhelming amount of offensive firepower from the bench. Well, overwhelming if the other team is playing their bench. And as long as Chris Paul/Steve Nash isn’t also on the floor.
I admit we’ll be a little lacking on the defensive end with the subs, but I think it’ll help DMC and Casspi learn how to be better defenders. We can also leave Greene or Dalembert in the game with the bench, so long as we don’t have another Thompson-at-SF sighting again.
Also, the starters should get significant rest with Thompson and DMC on the floor at the same time from all the fouls they give (it’s like a free time-out, but not really!).
by clicc916 on Nov 19, 2010 4:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
It also depends on who the other team has as their starters
Right now, I would go with Beno at point, Tyreke at 2, Greene at 3, Cousins at 4, and Dalambert at 5.
I would have Landry coming in fresh when Cousins gets tired or gets in to foul trouble. I would have Beno playing the majority of minutes at point until I traded him for another pg or got another pg that can do a decent job at guarding players like; Nash, Williams, Rondo, Rose, ect… I would give Thompson minutes sparringly but would definately be open to trading him if there was something there. I would want Tyreke playing almost always at the 2 because he would be my franchise 2 guard for the future, unless his ankles sabatoge his career. I would want him to get experience going against players like Kobe and Wade while he continues to learn and develop. Casspi would play whenever there was someone that he matched up ok with and could defend. Right now, I wouldn’t be considering Casspi or Greene as my starting sf of the future to go with Tyreke and Cousins, and I would definately be open to also involving them in a trade. I like Landry a lot, I would try to resign him because I think he is a player you definately want on your Chapionship seeking team, a great player to have coming off the bench. I would definately be giving Whiteside minutes so that I could see what we have there, and I don’t know if I would want to resign Dalambert for the amount he may want.
So, at the moment, I would be considering Tyreke and Demarcus as my two main pieces to building a championship caliber team. I would also be leaning towards Whiteside as my 2nd Big over Dalambert. I would be more interested in finding out about Whiteside then trying to make Dalambert a fan favorite.
by MarcusC on Nov 19, 2010 4:10 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Oh ya, since I don't se Beno as my starting pg,
I would be looking at what free agent PG’s will be available next year.
by MarcusC on Nov 19, 2010 4:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
starting five:
tyreke,head,greene,landry, and sammi. the bench mob for me is cousins, thompson,casspi,beno.
My selections as follows:
Tyreke and Head in the back court, Green, Landry and Dalembert in the front court.
Dalemberts not much of an offensive player but can pair nicely with Reke as he drives into the lane and dishes off for a dunk etc. The Alley OOP is also.
Reke is too ball dominant and is typically the 1st option on offense. If Cousins and Beno coming off the bench it puts too great offensive players against weaker defenses and allows more room for their short comings on defense.
The big off the bench has got to be Thompson and my pick for wing is Garcia. Casspi’s lack of consistency and bad defense put him behind Garcia in my opinion.
Thompson, Garcia and Udrih have played together for years so there should be some chemistry. I also think Beno is a better floor general which is something Cousins needs.
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
My Starting Five and Rotation Players
Starters:
Head – PG
Evans – SG
Greene – SF
Cousins – PF
Dalembert – C
Bench:
Udrih – PG
Garcia – SG
Casspi – SF
Landry – PF
Thompson – C
Odd ones out
Darnell Jackson – I REALLY DON’T LIKE THIS
Pooh Jeter – I REALLY DON’T LIKE THIS EITHER
Hassan Whiteside – Either play him or send him to Reno
Antione Wright – ………….
My starting rotation:
On Sundays. – Tyreke, Beno, Casspi, Landry, Cousins
On Mondays – Tyreke, Head, Cisco, Landry, Cousins
On Tuesdays – Tyreke, Beno, Wright, Landry, Dalembert
On Wednsday – Tyreke, Beno, Casspi, Cousins, Dalembert
On Thursday – Tyreke, Beno, Casspi, JT, Dalembert
On Friday – Tyreke, Beno, Greene, Landry, Dalembert
On Saturday – Tyreke, Beno, Greene, Cousins, Dalembert
I’d like to give a special thanks to the “Paul Westphal School of Coaching”, from which I have learned the art of the starting rotation.
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
by kwill on Nov 19, 2010 5:45 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Reke'd
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 21, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
My lineup
Head
Evans
Casspi
Landry
Dalembert
First off the bench, Beno, Cousins, then JT and Donté together, because they play really well together.
Bringing Cousins off the bench should help mitigate a lot of his early foul trouble and help him see what’s going on in the flow of the game and what he needs to not do (as in, what are they calling heavily that night).
Having Beno guard the other teams’ back-up guards should work well, and give him more chance to do his pull-up stop & pop.
The starter I watch closest is Head. It worked well against the Knicks, but if he proves to be inconsistent or ineffective, out he goes, and Beno gets a chance to earn his starting role back.
Cousins earns his way into the starting lineup by the all-star break by staying out of foul trouble. It takes him out of contention for ROY, but I don’t care.
Cisco comes in when nobody can hit a shot, or we’ve seen that their outside defense is really bad.
Casspi starts because he plays best when he’s been in for a few minutes and gets amped, and also because he plays well with Landry and disguises some of Landry’s rebounding problems.. But he REALLY needs to be able to hit that outside shot consistently.
Darnell Jackson comes in when there’s a big man nobody else can stop, and we need a bruiser.
Jeter comes in in garbage time.
Wright is in a suit, Whiteside is in Reno.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 19, 2010 5:50 PM PST reply actions
The subtraction edition
I have been an StR reader for a while and under the advice of various post peeps I think this is reasonable:
Never Jason Thompson, no Cisco, and forget Landry. Head can’t shoot, Wright could never shoot. Landry can’t rebound but we have already forgotten about him. Beno can’t defend. Cousins fouls too much. Dalembert has no skills on offense. Jackson only does the little things.
Backcourt – Evans and Greene
Frontcourt – Casspi, Cousins, Dalembert
Jackson first off the bench for DMC or Sammy, Beno to run an offense, Luther to defend. The rest ride pine, find blowout minutes for Pooh and Hassan Upside after he wears a BigHorns jersey.
I put most of the blame on Mario Elie because it is the ones you don’t talk about who are quietly doing the most severe damage.
Here goes
Starters: Evans, Cisco, Greene, Landry, Sammy
Bench: Cousins, Udrih, Omri, JT
Just in case there’s an injury: Head, Jackson
SOL: Jeter
Gone to Reno: Whiteside
DD: Wright
Purveyor of Bull Plop
5-Cousins
4-Landry
3-Donté
2-Cisco
1-Tyreke
Sixth Man – JT
Beno
Casspi
Sammy
Why you say? Well at C Cousins is the future and Sammy D is a rental with so little offensive capabilities its always a bad idea to dump the ball to him in the post…I couldnt care less about his trade value if Cousins becomes a star/good starter. I think his best chance of becoming one is to play as much quality minutes as his conditioning allows.
Landry gives us a much needed offensive option but he needs to work in the post more and hit the 18ft J when he is open or his man sags…moreover he needs to board more – however these are things that I think the coach should be telling him without taking his starting role…On top of this I think the best chance we have of keeping him during free agency is if he starts…ideally he is a sixth man but for us he is a starter.
Greene gets the nod for me…but only for his defense….Casspi really just hasnt been able to shut his man down or limit him. Plus I think Dontè’s has got the ability to hit an open jumper and improve his shot selection. Casspi is best suited to getting minutes when his shot is falling and hes not getting killed by his man
Cisco starts at the 2 because he’s a good shooter who can play some D…I’ve seen Beno get destroyed waaay too many times on defense to conclude that he should start. Plus Cisco starting moves Reke to the 1…thats where I feel Reke can do the most damages in terms of creating a mismatch for other teams and exploiting this till no end. Head just is too much of an uncertainty for me to really consider him. Cisco gives us a veteran presence that I think we need
1. Tyreke Evans
JT is my sixth man because he can play the 4 or 5 (NOT the 3…ever) rebounds the basketball well, has a decent jumper, and at least has enegery on D even if hes foul prone…plus he’s still young and got potential…lets not forget that last year, his second in the NBA, he avgd 12.5, 8.5 and a block…he’s got some deficiencies but cutting him out of the rotation in my opinion just destroys his potential and replaces a productive young big with who, Luther Head?
Also..this aint the playoffs, an eight man rotation is unecessary at this point so I went with 9
I'll go with your picks
I think the only position even up for debate in your lineup is at the 2, and Head is as good a choice as any there. Your primary scoring options are Cousins, Landry and Tyreke, so you really don’t need a lot of scoring from the 2, just solid play and D.
Dalembert is the defensive big off the bench, and Udrih fits better off the bench as well. Casspi, Garcia and JT battle for the rest of the minutes.
Seems like this was pretty much what Westphal did tonight, at least in the second half, which was all I was able to watch tonight. And you can’t argue with the results. Let’s keep it up.
"But the Kings went in another direction, and that’s today’s reality: a full rebuild, multiple coaching changes, 42 wins in two seasons and a 3-6 start this season. Meanwhile, Ron has a ring and is a key cog on the best team in the league, so I guess it worked out OK for him."
wow, i like a lot of these plus their reasonings
1 – Evans
2 – Udrih
3 – Greene
4 – Landry
5 – Dalembart
My starters would be evans with udrih in the backcourt because they’ve worked together for a year now and works great as either could distribute. plus you have evans to penetrate and udrih as a consistent outside threat, along with greene cutting, landry in the mid-game, and dalembart to do high pick and rolls or post up for easy dunks. that’s what you want from a starting unit. everyone has a part to play in the starting rotation on the offensive side.
defensively, they have dalembart in the middle which would constantly make it hard for anyone to penetrate. of course landy will have a harder time with bigger 4’s but it’s definitely not going to be an issue with dalembart maning the middle to help out. then you have greene who’s great on defense and he’ll be able to cover a lot of the wings because of his lenght and decent speed. with the backcout, evans will definitely be able to guard the 1 and the 2, while udrih will cover whoever’s faster.
the 8-9 man rotation will be hard to work with as the bench is full of energy players. i’d say we have great energy players and i’d like to keep all of them depending on who’s going to be hot that night and who’s giving more effort.
head – he will be the first one out for the backcourt. he’s quick, handles the ball well, and defends like a hell. that’s what you want from a combo guard off the bench. someone to give instant gratification offensively and defensively as he could shot the 3’s and penetrate, as well as putting a hand in someone’s fast and getting around pick and rolls.
garcia and casspi – either of these 2 would come in for the other backcourt. it’s hard to say who because they both bring that spark.
garcia – he most definitely shoots the 3 balls decentlly and could also handle the ball well. it gives the team options to lead and confuse the defense with different personnels manning the point. teams will have to think twice about what they have to do defensively if evans is posting up against smallers guys. on defenese, he puts a lot of effort into it. covering the wings, trapping on the pick and roll, and even helping out in the middle – it’s what he does.
casspi – he brings that uptempo offense to the floor. as soon as the ball is released from his defenders arms, he’s already running the floor – fastbreaks is his motto!! his 3’s are also devastating if he’s given time and someone to really penetrate and take him man away as he’s great with the pull-up he’s not the greatest defender and could be caught lot sometimes as pick and roll comes through or he gets a screen from a wing but his energy level to run and recover is great and he’s a quick learner as he’ll never commit the same mistake twice.
thompson – i love his attitude when he comes in. he knows his role and that’s rebounding and rebounding. on any given night, he’ll have great numbers there even in limited minutes. when he’s given more opportunity, he’ll usually get double digits. his defense isn’t the stoutest, but he’s quicker than most centers, and strongers than more PF so he always has an edge when he’s defending either one of them. that’s his strong-side. on offense, he’s great with the mid-range jumper – he should stick to that. his penetration is decent as well, but he usually can’t finish off the rim so he should be practice/train more as a passer in those situation or do simple dump offs to the other big or slasher.
cousins – lastly, here’s a rookie. i like his potential. the ceiling on the dood seems high and he just needs more time to develope everything he has. his offense is great as he could run great pick-and-roll, post up, and even a decent mid-range. his problem is he tries too hard sometimes. he dribbles too much for a big man and that’s never good as well as trying to shot 3’s. he’s not a 3 – he needs to post up always or run high pick-and-rolls to get mid-range shots. his defense is quick adequate as a rookie. he’ll get his touches and deflects, yet he’ll also get in his foul troubles. he’s just like thompson in that fact as well.
those would be my 10-man rotation as i always believe a second unit could take over just in case you’re starting unit just isn’t working out right on any given night. i’d also keep jackson and wright for insurance just in case of foul trouble or just a change of tides in any game. i’d honestly put whiteside in the d-league. let him play!! let him develope a little more as he’s just not polish enough yet to get into the court. he’s too tense and nervous when he’s out there and he doesn’t put full effort as he’s unsure of how to run on the floor with the team.
My Starting 5 and 4 off the bench
Start:
PG: Tyreke Evans
SG: ’Cisco Garcia
SF: Donte Greene
PF: Carl Landry
C: DeMarcus Cousins
Bench:
Sammy Dalembert
Beno Udrih
Omri Casspi
Jason Thompson
Incase of Injuries:
Luther Head
Hassan Whiteside
Bobby Jackson (Best 6th Man Ever!)
Mayor Kevin Johnson
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Darnell Jackson
Incase of All the Above Injuries:
Antoine Wright
Hassan Whiteside (key player in 3 years – once dalembert or landry leaves by trade or FA after this season – i would rather keep landry though)
Consistency is the key. This is the future of the team and this is how they need to learn to work together through good and bad, probably mainly bad this season but we will bare the fruits of this labor soon enough.
Starting
Reke – just obvious…Cisco – i still believe in him, hes still one of the better shooters and decent defenders of this club and a GOOD leader…Donte Greene – i believe to be our best man to man defender, if we remember last season he was always assigned to take the other teams best player (and hes 6’11) but still taking players like kobe…Landry – he was shot in the leg and player in an NBA game soon after and part of his tooth may be permanently lodged in Dirk’s elbow haha (enough said)…Cousins – hes our future pf/center and has great hands/feet and if he gets into better shape and gets better on defense (learn from sammy D)
Bench
Sammy D – for defense! but not offense except for put backs and alley-oops…Beno to run the second team and facilitate the offense…Casspi for some spark and energy 3 pointers and a whole nation behind this team haha…Jason thompson for rebounds and a good serviceable PF/C especially if Sammy/landry leaves
My rotation
C: Samuel Dalembert
PF: Jason Thompson
SF: Donte Greene
SG: Tyreke Evans
PG: Beno Udrih
6th : Carl Landry
7th: DeMarcus Cousins
8th: Francisco Garcia
9th: Omri Casspi
10th: Luther Head
11th: Darnell Jackson
12th: Pooh Jeter
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13th: Hassan Whiteside
14th: Antoine Wright (Why did we sign this guy to guaranteed money? And why was he chosen over Marcus Landry?)
We really got move one of our bigs(Thompson, Landry or Dalembert)
for an upgrade at PG defensively(preferably one that’s as good as Beno on Offense, but better defensivel.
My rotation is as TZ's
except swap Donte’ with Casspi. I just think Casspi will end up being the better all around player and should be given the chance to get steady minutes in the role. If you say a guys’ role is to take 3 ptrs when they’re available you also have to accept that 3 pt shots come and go a bit from game to game.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

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