Kings 111, Raptors 108: Comeback Kids
What a game. What. a. game.
First things first. We should not have won this game. We probably should have lost by about 30. Again the Kings started off incredibly slow, allowing Toronto to build the lead up to 17 in the first quarter alone. The Kings were getting outrebounded, outhustled, and outmaneuvered in the first half. But one thing this team does not do is give up, ever.
This was my first ever home opener so that was cool. The stadium wasn't completely full at first, as there were still a lot of fans watching the World Series on the TVs in the concourse, but the introductions were nice. The Kings had a bit of fun with the Raptors intro, playing the Barney theme song and showing photoshopped pictures of the Raptors players on Barney castmembers. It was pretty hilarious live, but I also partially blame it for the way Toronto came out on fire.
Game and Player Recaps after the jump, as well as Kingsflix video.
The first quarter was terrible. The Kings got into foul trouble extremely early, including DeMarcus Cousins with two in about the same amount of minutes. The Raptors got into the penalty within the first four and a half minutes. Reggie Evans was absolutely killing us on the boards, especially offensively. He had 10 offensive boards in the game, and he just could not be denied. The Kings also were getting ripped to shreds by the combo of Andrea Bargnani and Linas Kleiza. Guarding against Penetration and guarding the three point line have been the biggest problems for the team so far into the season, and it was the same case last night. Toronto was hitting threes left and right, and they were also able to take it inside with ease as well. The Kings managed to hit a few more of their open looks in the 2nd quarter (I believe they only hit one three in the entire first half), and cut the lead to 11 by halftime. It should also be noted that a huge cheer rang out through the arena once it was announced that the San Francisco Giants had won the World Series. Congratulations to them.
The Kings started the 2nd half a little bit like the first. Tyreke wasn't in the game and at first I thought coach was actually punishing him for what I considered lazy defense (we'll go into it in the player recaps) but it turns out he was sick. He came back and this time, the Beast Mode was on, carrying this team on his back. The defense was better this half, and the rebounding was much better, thanks to Dalembert. The Kings managed to cut the lead some more, although it almost was ruined by a head scratching turnover by Luther Head at the end of the quarter when he simply threw the ball straight to DeMar Derozan, who missed an open jumper, probably because he was so surprised.
The Fourth Quarter was intense. As the Kings began to comeback the crowd really, really got into it. This was the DeMarcus Cousins and Omri Casspi quarter. DeMarcus was great on the offensive glass, and the Kings just started dumping the ball down to him and he was acting like a seasoned All-Star, taking it to the rack and finishing with ease. Omri hit some huge threes near the end, and the Kings pulled ahead by 8 before the Raptors made a mini-comeback and put a little bit of scare in the team, just like what happened in Cleveland and Minnesota. But the Kings won, capped off by a huge stop and a breakaway Casspi slam that ended up not counting, but it didn't matter. As the crowd began filing out after the victory, someone started a "Beat LA" chant that caught on. It was an amazing atmosphere, and I'm glad the team won after such a terrible start.
Player Recaps:
Tyreke Evans: Tyreke looked like a superstar at times, putting this team on his back and seemingly willing them to victory. He missed a lot of shots that he normally makes around the rim, and had a few unlucky rolls, but his jumper looked smooth tonight and I think he only took two and made both. Doing all of this while he wasn't feeling well just shows how special this kid is. I do have some criticisms of him, and it starts and ends with his defense. There is no doubt that with the right amount of work and effort put in, Tyreke, in time, could become one of the better defenders in the league. But right now, especially in the first half, he's a pretty lazy defender, sagging off his man and hoping his length will give him enough time to react. Sometimes it does, but most of the time it leads to an open look for the other team, especially on the three point line. He also gambles quite a bit for steals, which is great when he gets them, but bad the rest of the time when he either gets blown by or whistled for a foul. I love Tyreke, but he won't become a superstar until he ups his defensive intensity.
Beno Udrih: Beno continues his solid performances, perhaps the most consistent player on the team so far this year. He can score from just about anywhere. I had to wonder if perhaps he's a better finisher at the rim than Tyreke, and now that I'm home and looked it up, he is. Last year he finished 71% of his attempts at the rim. Tyreke was at 59.3%. Michael Conley just received a (undeserved) 5 year, $45 million extension. With how Beno has produced last year, and with it seemingly continuing this year, I don't think we can call him overpaid anymore.
Carl Landry: Carl struggled a bit against Toronto and Reggie Evans. Evans is an extremely pesky defender and did a good job of keeping Top Hat away from the paint and instead shooting jumpers. Evans also forced both of Carl's turnovers. So give credit to Reggie Evans, he was an absolute monster for Toronto, and he did a good job on Landry. Hopefully Carl has a bounceback game against Los Angeles, because we'll need him to bring his A game if we hope to win.
Omri Casspi: Another player who struggled in the first half, especially with his outside shot, which wasn't falling. He also was having difficulty guarding the physical Linas Kleiza. He came out with a renewed passion in the 2nd half, and this time his shot was good. He hit some absolutely huge ones, including the dagger that put us up by 8 late in the game. Omri also had a couple hustle plays that saved the possession for the Kings, including one where he dished to DeMarcus for the great finish. Omri was already a steal at where we drafted him last year, but how much of a steal seems to be increasing with each game.
DeMarcus Cousins: Cousins struggled perhaps the most to start the game. You could tell he did not know how to guard an atypical guy like Bargnani, who was using his quickness and shooting ability to fake him, beat him off the dribble, and get open. The whole team had trouble guarding Bargnani, but especially DMC. When he came back into the came, he switched onto Evans on defense and Landry would cover Bargnani. DeMarcus struggled on the boards defensively tonight, mainly because he didn't try as hard as Reggie Evans. He had good position, but he would wait for the ball instead of going to it, while Evans took the opportunity to steal it away. It cost us early in the game and perhaps DeMarcus will learn to respect the rebounding ability of all these NBA players soon. He more than made up for it with his performance in the 4th quarter though, grabbing a few offensive boards, and taking it inside repeatedly. 10 points in the quarter for DMC, and at times we were riding him to the finish line. He only played 17 minutes because of foul trouble, which still is the biggest worry with him, but he's making the most of his time, and I like how he's shown a tendency to come up big in the clutch so far in this young season.
Darnell Jackson: ARCO loves them some Juice Man. Jackson came in and played spectacularly, perhaps the sole bright spot of the first half. His defense was excellent, and he was getting us second chances on the glass. He also hit a long jumper with ease. I still am amazed at how he didn't get any run in Milwaukee. That's one thing I really like about Westphal. He'll give you your chance if you're willing to work, and Jackson definitely is.
Samuel Dalembert: We didn't get him for his offense thats for sure, and it was painfully obvious at times as he would fumble passes and miss wide open shots. But thats ok, because what he did do was finally take control of the defensive boards for us, and alter some shots. He didn't have any blocks, but the Raptors seemed more content to shoot long jumpers with Sammy in the game, and his length definitely bothered some players, including Kleiza on that final Raptors drive. I didn't realize he had 14 boards until I looked at the boxscore after the game, but we needed every one of them with the way Reggie Evans was killing us on the glass. For you advanced stats nerds, Dalembert had a Defensive Rebound Rate of 42.6%. That means he grabbed 42.6% of all defensive rebounds while he was in the game. He wasn't bad on the offensive glass either, grabbing 31.9%. Reggie Evans might have had 19 boards, and he was stellar on the glass (32.7% Total Rebound Rate), but Dalembert was actually better (absolutely ridiculous 37.3% Total Rebound Rate).
Jason Thompson: JT probably played his best game so far this season, finally hitting his shots, and playing within his abilities, instead of out of control as he has seemed at times. He was a big reason for us playing better in the 2nd quarter.
Francisco Garcia: Cisco hasn't scored in the last two games like he did in the first two games, but he's played solid defense, and I think it was Ziller who said that Cisco's best defensive ability is to block shots. Well, he blocked two more tonight, and only in 14 minutes. Not a great game for him overall, but he was able to contribute in limited minutes.
Luther Head: I like this guy. He had an off shooting night from the field, but he had some really big moments, including that pump fake three to get to the line (2nd time he's done that so far this season), as well as his actual three. He's also been doing an amazingly good job at distributing the ball without making mistakes, notching 3 assists with only 1 turnover in his 22 minutes, although that turnover was baffling.
Antoine Wright: Wright Guard made his first appearance for the Kings this season against his former teammates for defensive purposes, and I don't really remember much of what he did in the only three minutes of play, but it seemed like he covered his man well. He's a -5 for the game, but I believe that was due to the defensive lapses of others.
Donté Greene: I was surprised and a little dismayed that Westphal didn't put in Greene when he was putting in guys like Wright and Dalembert in for defense, especially when guys like Kleiza and Bargnani kept killing us. But I have to say this for Greene, he was the ultimate teammate, the first one off the bench to celebrate with his teammates and congratulate them. When Omri hit that dagger three? Donté was the first to run out and chest bump him. Perhaps Westphal feels he isn't in the best shape yet. I hope Donté finds a role in the rotation sometime soon though.
Final Notes: Now I can't tell you how excited I am that we have started this season 3-1, especially with all the adrenaline still flowing through my veins after this game, but there are some warning signs. This team continues to let opposing teams get wide open threes. This team continues to spot opposing teams big leads in the first half. Yes we've managed to come back in all four of our games so far, winning three of them, but had we played better competition, we'd likely be 0-4 right now. This is not a playoff team with the way the defense is playing right now. But with some defensive effort, 48 minutes of the game and not just the last 24? Maybe.
Kingsflix Video:
(You can hear the end of the "Beat LA" chant at the beginning of this interview with Dalembert)
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it was actually head with the bad inbound pasd at the end of the 3rd quarter
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
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Thanks I was in the nosebleeds, couldn't tell
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no prob
I was in section 212 n the only reason I know is cuz I’m watching the replay of the game rite now
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by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 2, 2010 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry for the repost

Awesome performance. I agree on the props for JT. We rake him across the coals if he has a bad game, so we should praise him for tonight.
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by JediLeroy on Nov 2, 2010 1:12 AM PDT reply actions 8 recs
haha perfect
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That's pretty good
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
I missed it
It’s been a busy day but I need to pull my head out. I am so conditioned to the NBA not playing on Monday that I thought the home opener was Tuesday.
"Coach, it came down like a hail marry"
Michael Conley just received a (undeserved) 5 year, $45 million extension. With how Beno has produced last year, and with it seemingly continuing this year, I don’t think we can call him overpaid anymore.
At this pace I’m not even sure Stern will have the opportunity to save the owners from themselves before the next CBA. Is there a tax write off tied to these contracts?
Also I thought that was good write up about Cousins. Although limited in talent Bargnani and Reggie Evans can be an absolute pain to deal with, especially Evans on the boards.
"Coach, it came down like a hail marry"
Bargnani limited in talent?
I want whatever you’re smokin’.
Talent isn’t his problem
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
by tomroadrunner on Nov 2, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Great recap Aykis
Not sure how you manage to write this all down, as I’m still on a high from the game. Hell, I’m watching the 4th quarter on TV right now.
A couple things to add:
(First a correction) That crazy turnover you’re attributing to JT was actually Luther Head. He inbounded the ball at the end of the 3rd to a Raptor who missed the wide open shot
(Casspi just hit that 3 for the lead… we’re going crazy!!)
To add something about Tyreke and what he has improved. I’ve in the camp that he needs to get better as a facilitator and not just pass the ball as a last resort. From what I’ve seen these 4 games, he’s gotten better at it. While his kick outs are still out to low percentage shots, you can tell he’s now penetrating already thinking about the pass and not the score. You can tell he’s breaking defenses on purpose and stopping by the free throw line looking for open teammates. While he’s crowding that paint a bit, he’s still opening opportunities for his teammates to get open looks (even if they are jumpers). I’m encouraged by this development.
Casspi has definitely earned that starting spot. As much as I like Donte, and as much as I was in his corner at the beginning of the season, there’s no denying Casspi is the SF right now and I’m excited about it. He needs to continue to work on that 3 ball, to make sure it’s consistent, but he’s really earning all those minutes.
The unsung heroes for tonight’s game were the Juice Man, JT, and Beno IMO. Beno had a great first quarter, the only guy that had anything going in that first. Then JT and Darnell played hard that 2nd, and it could’ve been worse if it wasn’t for these guys energy and hustle. You could tell JT was earning back some trust from the coaching staff.
Tyreke to Casspi to Cousins!!!! Timeout Toronto!! We’re going crazy again
The beginning of the game continues to be a problem and I honestly don’t know what the solution is. I think we have to try starting Dally and see how that goes. Reke, Beno, Casspi, and Top Hat are more than capable of scoring so I say let’s give that a shot. We saw a lot of defense/offense subs with Cousins and Dalemebert tonight so this could be something to look for in the future. Cuz will still get his minutes, but at this point in time, we need to stop falling behind and having to comeback.
I think the team showed its youth again tonight mostly on the defensive end. Gotta get better at boxing out (although Reggie Evans is a boarding beast!) and they have to recognize who the hot shooters are. You can’t leave Bargniani, Kleiza, and Calderon open for those 3s so much, especially in the middle of our runs. It also seemed like when they went to a zone, some players didn’t really know what to do. Little things that they have to learn with time.
The ‘Beat LA’ chants were awesome. Yes, we’re nowhere near their level and it’s all in fun, but it’s good to have that excitement back at Arco. The place was truly rocking in the second half (I like to think we help DeRozan missed all those FTs in that half). One of the coolest games I’ve been to. I took a friend that had never been to a game and I thought it was the perfect intro to being a Kings fan.
At the end of the day a W is a W and we’re 3-1. Bring LA!!!
Man, that shot by Cuz almost rimmed out but it finally went in
SamWow D, Landry hustle, Casspi leaking out. Game!!
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by edm7 on Nov 2, 2010 1:27 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
It doesn't explain all the early troubles in games
I heard Westphal on the radio the other day saying DeMarcus focuses better at the end of games, something he noticed in summer league and why he’s been playing him at the end of games. I’ve seen two Kings game and read this recap, I can say the kid plays pretty beastly in the 4th quarter. There is noticeable difference between how he finishes games and starts games, this has to account for some of the differential.
"Coach, it came down like a hail marry"
Great observation about Tyreke's passing
I’ve noticed it as well. It’s not totally there (the placement of the passes still needs work), but he’s definitely getting others involved.
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This game, Tyreke looked really aggressive and was playing at faster speeds this game
A lot of the open passes he made for others really surprised me and were refreshing, but it also shows that guys are starting to know the spots of where they need to be in the offense.
I also saw a glimpse of what the pick and roll with Evans and Cousins could look like, although it’s still a work in progress. It was probably in the fourth quarter, where Evans was dribbling the ball, two defenders watching him while Cousins tried to set a screen. Evans doesn’t use it, makes a few dribbles and then makes a move to the rim with people collapsing; Cousins patiently waits 3 seconds at the top of the key, then rolls to the basket and scores off the assist from Evans.
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
It looks like Casspi is the go-to target for Evans.
This is a good thing. A very good thing.
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
by tomroadrunner on Nov 2, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh yes
It’s got me legit excited.
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
According to Casspi
The move he made to the basket, which led to that great Evans to Casspi to Cousins sequence, was the baseline drift, taught to him by Coachie. I’d like to see more connections like that in the future.
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
Nice write up Ed
Wish I could have been there to see -
“Tyreke to Casspi to Cousins!!!! Timeout Toronto!! We’re going crazy again”
live and in action. It was an eye opener in HD, that’s for sure, not to mention the way Tyreke has been finger rolling the ball into the basket from the opposite side. Kid can glide. Oh, and way to recruit another purple and silver addict as well..,
Go Kings…!!!
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Yes
I think we have to try starting Dally and see how that goes. Reke, Beno, Casspi, and Top Hat are more than capable of scoring so I say let’s give that a shot.
PW made interesting quote at end of presser last night which was with 5 fouls DMC has actually been able to stay in game because he just plays aggressive and controlled abandoned and the way he knows how, whereas when he is focused on avoiding fouls, he is not playing his style and this works against him. I think PW makes the switch tomorrow.
I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year.
Darnell Jackson is a great find
He just doesn’t let the team down, works hard and makes few mistakes.
DMC showed some poise. Bargnani was blocking him and making his live miserable on defense by drawing him away from the paint, but he stuck with it and came up huge in the fourth. He has to develop that hookshot, because he doesn’t have the lift yet to shoot straight over 7 footers.
So much for Landry boxing out and Omri saying thank you. Lucky that we had Dalembert. Now with all our players that we call athletic, like JT and Greene, you see how ridiculous that claim is when you see Sammy jumping. That guy has pogo sticks in his legs. On the other hand, his offense is simply offensive.
Luther Head is perhaps our best perimeter defender, and although I’ll give him props, that is a bad sign for the team. I think Cisco’s defense is a bit overrated. Yes, he is very good at blocking shots fro0m behind, but perhaps that’s because he has a lot of practice with his own man blowing by him consistently. The effort is there, just as with Beno, but it isn’t as good as some make it out to be.
Tyreke is, just like Aykis said, lazy on defense, especially the first half. it’s really annoying, and hope PW calls him out for it. But he made some great plays that kept us in it.
Omri showed that he is comfortable with getting the coaches’ confidence, because in the first half his shots were not falling, and still he came up huge in the fourth. On defense, he really has to learn when to play help defense and when not to.
Beno would be awesome if he could play solid defense. I think he really tries, bu he lacks the strength and footwork.
I would have though Greene would have been a good matchup against Bargnani, and I am a bit worried that PW didn’t even try that. But let’s not get overboard about how great he handles sitting on the bench. If that’s all we have to praise him for, that’s pretty bad. And if he’s so great at it, than perhaps that is where he should be?
Great win, despite horrible, horrible D in the first half.
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by RikSmits on Nov 2, 2010 1:35 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Oh, and JT was solid
I think he will find his comfort zone.
But he still had a stupid reach-in foul at the sideline.
Dunking Dutchman
Solid opinions, rec'd
I watched a lot of Sammy towards end of last year (I was rooting for the 76ers to win). Sammy is not as bad of offensive player as he showed last night. He can make a few plays. But he is very mechanical and he takes his time to make his move. But he can definitely be more efficient than we saw.
I had quite a debate with others last week regarding ‘beastly’ rebounders, or what I would more precisely term an elite rebounder. Last night we saw an elite rebounder in Reggie Evans. Any claims of elite status should use Evans as benchmark. There is an art and skill to being able to push and shove and grab without the ref calling a foul. There’s a few players on the Kings front line who might benefit from studying this guy.
I am not ready to call Tyreke lazy on defense. But I hope he gets better.
Giving props to Greene for being a good cheerleader is about all that can be said in his favor for now. Last year Donte made a few plays on K*be, but he is burried so deep right now, I don’t think he will get that same chance on Wed.
I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year.
Second Half
If this team can figure out how to play as well as they do in the second half in the first half the Kings could have a real playoff contender on their hands.
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Great write up Aykis
Here’s hoping JT finally figured out his role today.
He provided a very solid effort in 18 minute and I agree with edm, JT and Darnell were a big part why the game didn’t get too out of control in the second quarter. Quality minutes they both logged in
Speaking of which, Darnell Jackson…. what a great player we got in him. JT can benefit picking up a few thing from Darnell.
"It's just like the story of the grasshopper and the octopus. All year long, the grasshopper kept burying acorns for winter, while the octopus mooched off his girlfriend and watched TV. But then the winter came, and the grasshopper died, and the octopus ate all his acorns. Also he got a race car. Is any of this getting through to you?"
Darnell Jackson is wearing a hard hat.

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by andy sims on Nov 2, 2010 6:19 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
LOL, great name for a blue collar guy
Top Hat, Hard Hat and Yarmulke; that could be some sort of cartoon.
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I think we got a new nickname for Darnell
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
Thanks for the help, SactoRyan.
I was in no shape to photoshop at 6am.
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Deserves a rec for the makeshift Kings logo.
"Thank you, Coach (Theus). I'm about to kill y'all this half." --DeMarcus Cousins
I'm glad you appreciate that!
It took far too long to go unnoticed. What can I say? Im a perfectionist.
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I love the DMC interview
That is a poised kid who doesn’t get too up about his 10 4th quarter points, and is instead challenging himself to start games better. If he’s “difficult”, gimme difficult Chad Ford.
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Is difficult Chad Ford any more likeable than douchey Chad Ford?
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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 2, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
My observations
Although Wright got limited burn, he really annoyed me while he was in there. He seemed frantic, like a guy desperate to try to make a quick impact. If I’m recalling correctly, his shot was ugly and seemed forced. I’d rather see him focus on his strengths (defense, when we really needed it) rather than forcing a shot. He needs to let the game come to him.
Jackson is the antithesis of Wright. I’ve been very impressed with him every time he’s been in the game. He comes up, and none of it seems forced. As a result, he just seems like he belongs in the game.
I remain impressed with Cousins. When he picked up his second foul on Bargnani’s pump fake, he knew he’d made a mental mistake. He didn’t have a big reaction, he just went immediately towards the bench. You could tell he was upset with himself. Yup, red flags all over this kid. Also, this is the second time I remember seeing Cousins use his running hook in a clutch moment (the first time being against Brooke Lopez). If that becomes a reliable, go-to move, I’ll be very pleased.
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Red flags of DOOOOOOOOOOOM!
Agreed. I defended him over the summer, but even I have been pleasantly surprised by DMC’s poise. The confidence I expected, but the responsible demeanor, his candor in acknowledging his mistakes, those are signs of maturity I didn’t expect.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 2, 2010 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Honestly, he should be on his best behavior four games into the season
The real test will be later in the season, when the team’s grinding through a tough stretch of games. Will DeMarcus be a distraction or part of the solution?
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Sure.
I’m not saying there won’t be issues. I’m just happy that he’s not a problem child out of the gate.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 2, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I heard Top Hat on the radio with the Rise Guys this morning
Says there’s nothing to the Chad Ford stuff – just that DeMarcus is seriously competitive whenever he’s on the floor, whether it’s practice or the actual games.
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Later in the season
Dmc should be way better adjusted to the NBA game , and wont miss as many assignments . He’s probably never going to look as bad as he will in the first month of the season. I also think last night would have been the perfect showcase for Donte greens defensive skill-set. Just my opinion :)
Never heard of the rookie wall?
and I’m not talking about the one playing for Washington.
DMC will have his bad days. With all due respect to Bargnani and Lopez, he still has to face guys like Gasol (there’s two of them), Bogut, Okafor, Howard and Yao. I’m sure he will blow a fuse once or twice, and that is fine. Like LPA stated, he looks pretty good right now, and that gives some confidence going forward.
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He did a pretty good job last night not blowing up at Reggie Evans
And Evans is as filthy as it gets. While the two of them did not match up often, Evans chipped away at Cousins throughout the game and DeMarcus refused to take the bait.
I agree that Cousins will have his junior moments throughout the season, but I was really impressed with how he handled himself last night.
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actually this reminded me
did anyone else notice when Amir Johnson starting throwing his elbows around when Landry was hounding him?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
Elbows?
I was worried that he was going to put someone’s eye out with that goatee.
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And look what happened after the game in the interview
DeMarcus gave it up for Reggie for having an amazing game. Red Flag.
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On one possession, Evans elbowed DMC on the noggin
He was pissed – but he went down to play defense and body upped on Evans who got the offensive rebound and DMC nodded his head and slapped Reggie on the butt a couple of times – which I took as a “you got me” gesture of respect.
Evans was Rodman-like last night even with the mischievous smiles. He had a helluva game.
by betweentheeyes on Nov 2, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, this is the second time I remember seeing Cousins use his running hook in a clutch moment (the first time being against Brooke Lopez). If that becomes a reliable, go-to move, I’ll be very pleased.
That move was sweet because he went all the way across the lane and under control before releasing it, instead of trying to get the shot off in front of the rim where there would have been more traffic and pressue. No big in the NBA can stop a move like that, except maybe Dwight Howard.
I predict JT puts up 7/5 this year.
Got to meet Luther Head
Met him after the game at BJ’s. He was a really nice guy. Kinda cool watching the highlights of the game with him. I mean, how often do you get to watch highlights with a guy in the highlights? I offered to buy him a drink, but he was only drinking water (nice to see)
Kings looked like crap in the first half, but I am going to blame that on the crowd. 1/2 the crowd, including myself, was huddled around a TV watching the Giants. Thus, in the second half the crowd brought back a little of the old arco feel. Omri has that big shot swagger now. He wants the ball and will shoot his way out of any slump. Great win.
F the Lakers
by AdamInTheNoseBleeds on Nov 2, 2010 7:59 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
man, Head loves him some BJs
coincidence?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 2, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
/shakes head
wally, wally, wally… (rec’d)
by betweentheeyes on Nov 2, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Watching the Giants game, Monday night football, and Kings all at once with a pitcher of beer is indeed very very fun
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
I had the remote working like I was conducting the Boston Symphony
It was a beautiful thing to behold, if I do say so myself.
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I went the crowded sports bar with a projector, 6 flat screens showing 3 games at once, steak sandwhich, fries, 3 dollar tacos, and a pitcher of beer route.
it was a glorious way to slowly kill myself
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
Yeah, it's not really that......wait what?
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I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 2, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Was watching the Giants during the first half so I still haven't seen a first half
what impressed me was that first, PW let Demarcus play the last 3 minutes or so with 5 fouls and it didn’t seem to make much difference in his game at all. Second, the kid id a bull. When he was fighting for position in the paint he was unstoppable. The play where Carl went to the ground and flipped it to Omri who made a quick flip to DMC was an awesome play.
I’m starting to think that Donté might be better off being traded to another team. He just doesn’t seem to be a good fit here and with all the bigs in the front court I don’t think he’s going to get that much time on the floor. Omri is just a cold blooded killer, he came up huge with the three’s in the fourth quarter. Daggers all. having said that PW could easily start Donté next game. Over all it was great to see the Kings scrap to get a win in their home opener and was fantastic to hear the noise of the crowd again.
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I actually liked the Barney introduction for the Raptors. It reminded me of the old days for the Spurs, when their fans would unfold and read newspapers while the opposing team was being introduced. I can’t blame the 33-16 first quarter on that, not when the Kings have shown this knack for the dramatic sans Barney.
The place really filled up once the World Series ended, and the energy in the building (especially down the stretch of the 3rd quarter and throughout the 4th) was outstanding.
There was a different vibe last night. In the ’80’s and early ’90’s, the vibe was newness. In the late ’90’s and early ’00’s we experienced the golden age of Kings basketball. For the past few years, it has been a combination of desperation and grasping at straws. Last year, it was about our prized rookie. But this year, there is a team that the fan base seems ready and willing to adopt. There are several fan favorites, from Tyreke to DeMarcus to Omri. Dalembert will attain his own fan base soon. Udrih and Landry will be overlooked by some but praised by others for their steadiness. Garcia and Head and Jackson and JT and Greene have the makings of their own bench mob.
This team still has holes – lots of them. But it also has a spirit that will endear it to the fan base. Understand, I’m not giddy because of the 3-1 record. I’m giddy because this team is too stubborn or naive to know when its beat, and I’m giddy because there suddenly seems to be a guy or guys that are ready, willing and able to step up for this team.
Start the games better? We need to. Finish better? Oh, hell yes! But this team is worth watching, and from early returns it appears that they will be worth watching all season.
The game in three words? Had-a-blast!
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by section214 on Nov 2, 2010 9:28 AM PDT reply actions 9 recs
Reading newspapers??
That…is…awesome!
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by caseycheesecake on Nov 2, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmm
I didn’t know people from Texas (outside of Austin) could read.
Good for them. Good for them.
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Eh...
at least their newspapers, in ten years, won’t be half english/half spanish. PC! PC!
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by caseycheesecake on Nov 2, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
You're more right than you know...
They’ll be all Spanish. Go ahead and secede, geniuses. You’ll soon be only the largest state in Mexico, and still have the lowest literacy rate.
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yeah because nobody speaks and reads in spanish there ... in San Antonio
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 2, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Game Observations
I know everybody likes the progress of Cousins, but I saw a ton of issues with his play last night. Go back and watch the 3rd qtr, he wasnt getting back on D, taking weak shots, not guarding anybody or battling Evans for boards. I was surprised Westphal put him back in the game for the 4th. He did finish strong and I think should be playing the last 5 mins or so of each qtr…
Sammy D came to the rescue and in my opinion should be starting for this team. I have to admit I had not seen a ton of Dalembert and he is much more physical and tough on the boards than I thought, not just a shot blocker, hes a pretty complete big man.
Overall the Kings have to be happy to be 3-1, even though we could have beat the Craptors by 20 or more if we will give a defensive effort for 48 minutes. Thats why I think we have a shot to beat LA at home, pride, rivalry, crowd should force this team to play all out- all game. And we have all seen how good we can be in these 2nd halfs when we do that
I don't think we're allowed to call them the Craptors
when we were down by 17 to them.
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Arco
Definitely a good night to be at arco. Crowd started out making more noise for the giants but by the end the place was insane
by thebluereverend on Nov 2, 2010 11:03 AM PDT reply actions
Aykis
do you have stats for each game on the opposing teams field goal % in the first half? it seems in each game, they have come out blazing. i haven’t looked at the data, but it has to be well over 50%. just off feeling it seems on the high end….
Hoopdata is a beautiful thing.
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Question about Darnell Jackson
does his surprising play and cheaper salary make other PF’s expendable?
No.
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You mean four games isn't a definitive sample??? :)
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Sorry to disappoint. Or is that my job?
Congrats on the Giants all joking aside. But, now you have to get 3 more to catch up to the red headed step child with the transient fanbase on the other side of the Bay. Not saying you know, but jes’ sayin…..
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No.
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Thanks man
Yep, this one took way too long. With their young pitching staff, there’s a chance to stay in contention for a few seasons if they can field even a league-average offense.
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Lincecum has ridiculous stuff. He's Tim Hudson with smarts.
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Don't knock Hudson
Lincecum has ridiculous stuff. He’s Tim Hudson with run support.
Fixed
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"He's Tim Hudson with run support."
And two Cy Young awards. And a World Series clinching win. And dynamite weed.
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by section214 on Nov 2, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
They're actually totally different pitchers
Tim Hudson is an extreme groundball pitcher, whereas Lincecum is more of a strikeout guy.
Lincecum’s definitely got insane career potential (even higher than Hudson, who has had a superb career).
I’m not knocking Timmeh, just saying that there’s no need to knock Hudson as “stupid”. Brains aren’t what separate these two pitchers. They’re completely different pitchers who both happen to be named Tim.
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
A dumb statement on my part.
Huddy remains one of my favorite pitchers to ever pitch for the A’s. I was just being a smartass. He wasn’t a stupid pitcher at all.
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Or isn't a stupid pitcher I should say.
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if he continues to flourish
i say it will cross the minds of the front office. many fans forget to think about finance and managing payroll. if he becomes more effective than JT for example and the kings have to make a decision, im not so sure
Except that...
Landry and Dalembert are not under contract next year. Cousins ($3.6m), JT, ($3.0m), and Whiteside ($790k) are. Jackson has a $1.1m qualifying offer. Those are all fair to excellent values.
Dalmbert can’t be moved to save payroll, as I believe that it would drop the Kings below minimum payroll requirements. Also, the Kings would have to take back payroll in trade to make a deal work with almost every team. Landry is a great value at $3 million as well.
Could one of these guys be moved for a different asset? Sure. But as a payroll move? I don’t see where, how, or why.
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If the Kings continue to have a strong gate....
…I expect to see them keep everyone on the roster. They are barely over the minimum salary requirements that cutting Jackson just makes little sense. If they’re so hard up over 500K, the Maloof’s should quit as owners. Seriously.
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to maintain long term flexibility
OKC is coming to terms with that with Jeff Green as we speak. those are excellent values now but eventually their continued growth will command greater salaries. i’m thinking a little bit longer term
and it doesn’t have to be just a payroll move. can be pieces in a trade for a position of need
Agreed
But given their current contracts, payroll is just not an issue. The Green deal with OKC is different – they have to determine if they want to pay the man. That is not the case with Cousins, JT, Whiteside or Jackson.
The other piece to this is that if you don’t re-sign either Dalembert or Landry, you’re still left with four bigs of various skills and maturity. If you are going re-sign either/both of these guys, then you can make a deal at that time.
A week ago, Dalembert was hurt and the Kings needed all hands on deck. Need happens just that fast. Unless someone comes along offering a screaming asset, I see no reason to deal any of these guys at this point in time.
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didn't mean to jump the gun
just that d. jackson has been a nice surprise. im not even sure he would make the team if we didn’t have all the front court injuries – unless that’s why they traded for him in the first place
by tricky bastard on Nov 2, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
It's money Tricky.
The Kings would be under the minimum salary cap if they waived Jackson. Either way, they’re barely over the minimum cap if they keep everyone on the roster. There really is no reason to cut anyone. There isn’t any more salary to cut.
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Pookey
If you had to guess, do you see the Kings being active trading into their cap space by the deadline (assuming the team is still somewhat in contention)?
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The whole frontcourt situation is both a good problem and a bad problem for the Kings IMO
You’ve got two pretty nice players with expiring contracts – one (Dalembert) could be a valuable trade chip at the deadline. On the other hand, he’s also the type of player the team’s appeared to need for quite some time, and might come at a reasonable price after the season. The other player (Landry) is extremely talented, but will probably command quite a bit of money after this season.
Cousins is certainly a primary piece ongoing. JT should be a serviceable frontcourt player although perhaps better suited to being a rotational big.
That’s why I think what the team sees in Whiteside the first half of the season is incredibly important in their decision making process.
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I don't see Whiteside having much effect. Partly because he's a project and partly because I think Daly has nothing to do with their observation of DMC.
I think how DMC & Daly can be played, especially together, is important for the season. Beyond that, HW is expected to play a lot more at the 4 than the 5. That was why he was drafted IMO. If he doesn’t end up doing that, then the investment was minimal.
Either way, this will be one of those wait & see things. But I don’t think Daly/Landry will effect how the Kings view Hassan Whiteside.
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I agree
it’s a luxury to have this “problem” especially when you look back on last year
it affords the kings to make a decision because they will have to make it sooner or later. i’m hoping dalembert can stay beyond this year. eventually the kings are going to have to make certain decisions if they want to get whiteside some playing time. it will be interesting to see what happens
by tricky bastard on Nov 2, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends on who it is. Don't know if you read my post from last week, but I speculated Tayshaun Prince.
And, if only the Kings are doing well in attendance AND on track to make the playoffs. I imagine any acquisition of a player using cap space (even if he comes off the cap this summer) will be about money and where the Kings are headed.
The reason Prince comes up is a few reasons. The first is simple: Trades often seem rumored early and often and eventually a team relents. There aren’t so many players up front that would be a real upgrade to DMC or Daly, and they certainly aren’t available to the Kings.
But Prince plays on a bad Detroit team, the Kings have multiple players they could trade to get Prince, and it depends on how Prince is performing. He has all the talents and skills if he’s healthy to make the Kings a playoff team if they are headed that way with the young guys.
You can forget Ben Gordon or Rip Hamilton because of their contracts. But I might remind that JT & Donte might be more than enough for Detroit to give up Prince and their hopes of making the playoffs again.
Other than Prince, what other SF’s are out there? I don’t really know. Melo Yellow is out there, but the Kings really don’t need more scoring. Anthony is not a stopper, and it would take a lot of money AND players to get a deal done with the Nuggets. Plus, I’m not sure Carmelo Anthony is a real upgrade to what the Kings have now. A sexy name he is, and talent to boot, but not necessarily a franchise player like Tyreke Evans. (Like Reke, Melo’s defensive effort is questionable.)
Who knows though? Maybe there is a guy like Trevor Ariza the Kings may want if the Hornets are giving him away. (Not for that price IMO, but it’s certainly possible at some point.)
So yeah, Prince is the guy I think the Kings will target.
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Didn't really think about it until just now....
…but Andrei Kirilenko might be another guy the Kings will look at.
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I think you and I were on the "acquire Prince" bandwagon last year
I’d love to see that guy in a Kings uniform.
As I just posted above, dealing with the frontcourt (in my opinion) is a huge issue for the team. But you’re right, attendance and record are going to play a big part in this. As will injuries, of course.
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Yeah Prince is a very underrated player.
He’s back to his normal healthy self so far. The Kings need a Tayshaun Prince and all he can do. If nothing else, he can help mentor Omri. He’s a perfect counter point.
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no way the kings get prince
or kirilenko. kings aren’t going to take vets that have already played 8 or 9 years until they are ready for a playoff run.
you can argue that both the players have big salaries that come off the books but we’ve already established the kings have good financial flexibility in the SHORT TERM
by tricky bastard on Nov 2, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Go back and read what I wrote.
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i don't see it happening
when i say playoff run, i’m talking a long multiple year playoff run. this type of move is too short term for how the kings have been building there team.
just like when i was talking about our front court, i’m talking long term. that is the trend for the moves the last year or two
by tricky bastard on Nov 2, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
You really think, if the Kings are playing .500 ball for a long stretch and Donte is still not playing minutes, making a move like Prince for Greene would be too short term?
that’s the type of stuff Pookey is talking about.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 2, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
i think it's the type of move they might make next year
if they play .500 ball for this year.
by tricky bastard on Nov 2, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I really disagree with you.
The one thing that the playoffs does is add extra revenue. If you’re on par to make the playoffs in say, January, the Kings have to take the move. Making the playoffs is a billion times more important than developing Donte Greene, Jason Thompson and Hassan Whiteside combined.
Winning is a desire, a tangible goal that many teams talk about and only 8 teams from each conference accomplish. Some years, it’s easy to get in.
I think the Kings would absolutely consider a Tayshaun Prince for Donte Greene/Jason Thompson swap (not sure Detroit would). At any rate, it’s the type of move you’re aiming at if you’re a playoff team or on the cusp of making the playoffs.
It’s not about Prince; it’s about finding a way to fill a hole to help this team win, and, by extension, sell tickets.
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And Wally has pointed out correctly the Kings don't need to match salaries to take on Prince.
They are well enough under the cap so that particular issue is moot.
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not only that
but the salaries aren’t even close to matching. detroit is on the hook for $11 mil
by tricky bastard on Nov 2, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
yes
just saying with all the moves the kings have made the last couple years, it seems against the grain. just my opinion
im curious, but what assets would you give up? are you comfortable taking minutes away from casspi?
by tricky bastard on Nov 2, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course I am comfortable taking away minutes from Casspi
As long as a guy who shows he has a promising future is getting consistent minutes, that is all I care about. Just consistency, and as far as I am concerned getting anwhere from 8 to 10 minute stretches of playing time per half and given one or two specific roles is more than good enough for me.
If Greene is going to continue being in the doghouse and the coaching staff doesn’t have any use for him, I wouldn’t cry about a deal revolving around him at all. I have zero clue about JT or Landry or Dalembert (my knee jerk reaction is hell no but haven’t really thought much about it).
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
it's a tough call
something we didn’t have to worry about last year.
i have a bad feeling it’s not going to click for greene until after he’s not on the team
by tricky bastard on Nov 2, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
well who knows if it will clicked or has clicked and the coaching staff just hasn't given him the chance
Either way though, if they aren’t going to play him then nomatter what he isn’t goin to be doing much for the Kings.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
agreed
right now, PW is running about a 10 man rotation, that is pretty deep
by tricky bastard on Nov 2, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
This team could use some short-term moves for veterans
Even if a guy like Prince isn’t a long-term solution, he’s still the type of player that can move a younger team forward.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
at the detriment of casspi's minutes?
this year the kings have somewhat lower expectations because they aren’t expected to make the playoffs. with the way casspi is playing, i’d rather have him in 30+ minutes
by tricky bastard on Nov 2, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree about short term moves for veterans
Since the defense has been pretty porous and it seems like the coaching staff may be looking for more stringent role players.
But you’re right, I don’t agree in moving for a player like Prince who would cut into Casspi’s minutes and possibly move our only three point threat onto the bench.
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
I like Casspi as much as the next guy
But he’s still an unproven commodity at this point. And he’s a second year player – he could probably learn quite a bit from a guy like Prince.
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i hear you about prince's veteran presence
my angle is that this year is important for casspi to develop. next year if the kings are in playoff contention, there will be much more pressure and that tends to change dynamics for a young player.
i’m really of the believe that casspi hit a wall last year because he overtrained. much has been made of about his offcourt events, but not many people caught on to his statements about overtraining.
it’s a little speculative on my part, but i believe casspi has learned his lesson and we wont see that this year
by tricky bastard on Nov 2, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I see where you are coming from
I just don’t see that Casspi needs to play a boatload of minutes at the age of 22. I’m still not sure last year was due to overtraining, as it was to averaging 25 minutes per game at the age of 21. Especially considering how balls-out he plays at all times.
Rather than increase minutes, I’d rather see a few veterans that will help teach this team how to actually win basketball games. For the sake of this team’s staying in Sacramento, I think the winning’s got to come sooner.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
not just overtraining
but it was a major factor when you added in all the offcourt events. apparantly casspi was weightraining everyday without any breaks for rest. this included after games and practices. he just wanted to add bulk to be a better player
in January, he averaged 30 mins/game. February was 29 mins/game. in March he was down to 12.7 mins/game
i attribute the dropoff to overtraining and all the events plus just being a rookie
by tricky bastard on Nov 2, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Whatever it was.....
….the end of the season couldn’t have come any sooner for Omri. It’s okay; that’s why you have rookies to help them learn the NBA.
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Josh Smith or OJ Mayo might become available.
Due to ridiculous extensions by Atlanta (Joe Johnson) and Memphis (Mike Conley)
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at least these players are younger
but josh smith is a PF. the kings would have to view him as a better answer than the committee approach whearas mayo is a position of need
by tricky bastard on Nov 2, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
My thinking with acquiring a guy like Smith
is if the Kings feel they don’t want to spend money on Landry, and instead opt for a decent rebounding and super athletic defensive type to pair next to Cousins, who will take over that main scoring role from Landry.
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this is at the center of my whole question about darnell jackson
if he continues to play well, he makes landry and/or JT expendable and your scenario works
by tricky bastard on Nov 2, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
He'd have to play well for a long time
Not often you strike gold with a guy like Darnell Jackson – this could be a limited sample size of decent play, soon to be followed by the for-real Darnell Jackson showing up.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
sure
isn’t it a good subplot to this season though? something to keep an eye on. seems as if PW has recognized he can’t keep him off the floor
by tricky bastard on Nov 2, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
No it's not a good subplot.
A good subplot would be Samuel Dalembert and DeMarcus Cousins being able to play 30 minutes on the court together.
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Each & every game^
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I appreciate the fact you left Marvin Williams off your list
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
I'd rather have Marvin.
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Its kind of funny because right when I posted my comment I realized that I was only basing it on Marvin his first year in the league
don’t see him play much. Considering the guy is supposedly an awesome teammate and can drain the 3 and is a freak talent he comes off looking like the rich version of Donte
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 3, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
And there isn't a hyper athletic freak playing alongside him that reduces some of his impact like there currently is with Josh Smith with Atlanta.
I’d rather have Tayshaun Prince for some things, but taking Marvin Williams would not disappoint me at all.
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It's funny thinking back to the 2005 draft....
…but I thought the 5 best players would be Deron Williams, Marvin Williams, Andrew Bogut, Danny Granger and Ike Diogu. (I probably would have added Chris Paul but I had a low opinion after he donkey punched Julius Hodge.)
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I also liked Andrew Bynum and Martell Webster too.
But I wasn’t sure how they would develop. Looking back, the 2005 draft was supremely talent rich.
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Mayo is my top 5 backcourt mates for Reke
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
I say yes to OJ Mayo
The Grizzlies screwed up big time with the signing. Marc Gasol would be another guy that automatically becomes available as well.
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
No to both.
Smith is an exceptional talent with a 10 cent head.
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The financial side HAS been taken care of.
I wonder when fans will understand this. There is limited ways to shed payroll. But you can only shed so much before you have to take more payroll on. (This is a good rule. You can thank Donald Sterling for it.)
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like i said
we all now the finance side is good in the short term. our players are young and therefore have lower salaries. nobody is talking about cutting anyone – at least not me

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