Kings 86, Nets 81: Kings Win? Kings Win!
First things first: It feels good to get that monkey off our backs and end that losing streak at six. It sure wasn't pretty though. But we won, and a big reason was much better defense (it still wasn't great, but it was much improved). Holding a team to 81 points any night is a big feat, especially for a team this young. Adjusting for pace, the Kings had a Defensive Rating of 100.4 tonight, 13 points better than their league worst rating of 113.4 before this game. I looked it up, and we've only held a team to 81 points or less twice in the last four seasons (a March 3rd victory against Houston last year).
Another great thing about our defense tonight is that we played without fouling. Talking to James before the game, he mentioned that Westphal is really trying to get the guys to cut down on fouling, because it ends up bailing opponents out, and giving them free points with the time stopped. In this game we only had 17 fouls all game, and no player with more than three. I'm not saying our defense was perfect though (Westphal said postgame he thought we only played 44 minutes of good defense, which sounds about right, but thats still way better than the 10 it has been the last six games). There were still a lot of moments where the Kings got caught on bad rotations, and also simply allowing too much guard penetration. I'm a little worried that Chris Paul might have a career assist game against us on Sunday with all the shooters we leave wide open for long periods of time after a guard penetrates.
The offense was the really ugly part of the game though. For one, the team took a really long time to get into their offense, even longer than usual. They played the game at a snails pace (80.7 possessions, when they've been averaging about 94 so far) and the ball movement was pretty bad (13 assists to 15 turnovers), with way too much dribbling going on. There were several times the Kings had a player wide open and failed to see him or get him the ball. Poor decisions abounded, and we also seemed to have the worst luck in the world. Every single roll or bounce did not go our way tonight it seemed, while New Jersey was getting some of those bounces. We were also once again missing wide open shots. They have to start going down sometime right?
Game and Player Recaps after the jump.
The First Quarter started out terrible. For starters, we started our offense the first few possessions by posting Dalembert three times. All three times he failed and I couldn't help but think how stupid that plan was compared to feeding the ball down low to Carl. Coach apparently agreed as well because he called a timeout about 5 minutes in, and immediately after, they went to Carl three times in a row, and Carl was successful all three times, and got the Kings back in it, to where they were leading by two at the end of the quarter. The team started off slow again in the second, trailing by as many as six thanks to the hustle of Kris Humphries and just poor offensive execution by Sacramento. This was definitely our worst quarter defensively as well, getting caught on switches, being in poor position for rebounds (Kris Humphries only had 4 offensive boards? Feels like should be so much more...), and other little things. Thankfully we were able to cut into the lead a little bit at the end of the quarter, entering the half on a good note.
The second half started with Luther Head and Tyreke Evans filling it up for the Kings (They only combined to score 16, but at the pace the game was going, that was like 30 points in another game). Tyreke was hitting his jumper, and Luther was hitting his shots and free throws (another 3PA free throw for Head, that has to be his fourth of the season already), with an especially nice play coming when Dalembert had the ball in the high post and passed to a cutting Head for an easy layup. I envision this play being a possible staple of the future between DeMarcus and Tyreke. The Kings couldn't get rid of the Nets in the final quarter though, making some costly mistakes down the stretch (Tyreke especially, for the 2nd game in a row) that kept the Nets in it. Donté (steal) and DMC (ORB on his own missed FT) both had big moments though, and the Kings iced the game with a Beno three at the end. It wasn't a thing of beauty, but I'll take it.
- Tyreke Evans to me is probably hurting more from his ankle and the Plantar Fasciitis than he lets on. Its affecting his quickness and lift, and I now sort of wish I had stayed and asked him about it after the game. One thing it doesn't excuse though are his silly turnovers, quite a few of which have been happening in crunch time. Bill Walton's right, he needs to stop leaving his feet and trying to make a play in the air. He also needs to be more aware of his teammates, because he was probably the biggest culprit of the "not finding wide open teammates" bug that seemed to infect everyone tonight. Still, its clear he's a special talent for all his faults, and I for one cannot wait till it all clicks for him. It hasn't yet though.
- Donté Greene was the player of the game. His defense on Travis Outlaw made a big difference (Outlaw only scored 13 points on 12 shots this game instead of the 18 on 9 shots he had the last game), and there were several other moments where he came to help on the weakside and saved sure baskets. His steal at the end of the game was huge too. He didn't have the best shooting night from outside, but I wasn't unhappy with any of the shots he took. He still needs to get back into game rhythm on offense so I'm not worried. His trips inside were surprisingly successful as well, making some shots that utilized his athleticism and hustle. Good game from Donté, whose definitely making the most of his opportunity.
- Beno Udrih was exactly what I wanted off the bench. He only played 22 minutes, but he hit timely shots, passed the ball, and best of all didn't turn it over. His defense is really bad though, so I think around 20-25 minutes is what we're going to be seeing from Beno for the "foreseeable future". Still if he can simply do what he did tonight, that'd be perfect.
- Samuel Dalembert... I must say I'm a bit conflicted. For one, I don't ever want to see us going to him in the post so often again like we did in the start of the game. But he does have some value on offense. He's a better passer than I thought he'd be, and his offensive rebounding is tremendous, and kept us in the game. His man defense is also superb, and he was a big part of holding Bro-pez (who murdered us last time) to a mere 7 points on 9 shots. There were a couple things that bothered me though. Late in the game with the game at 83-79, the Kings didn't want New Jersey to score quickly. Out of the timeout, Landry lined up with Outlaw and Dalembert took Humphries, but while everyone was still setting up, Sam went over and told Landry to cover Humphries while he took Outlaw. Immediately, (James can attest to this) I thought this was the dumbest thing ever. Sure enough, Outlaw recognizes the fact that Dalembert simply can't keep up with him and gets open for a wide open 15 foot jumper which he nails. It was an extremely poor decision by Samuel, and judging by Coach Westphal's gesturing during the ensuing timeout, he agreed with me. Dalembert finished with 19 minutes. I can live with that.
- Things Carl Landry should do: Score in the post, hit the occasional midrange jumper. He did that, hitting 7-12 shots. Things Carl Landry should not do: Dribble or have the offense run through him from the high post. Unfortunately he did that as well, and had 6 turnovers to show for it. I think we could make Landry a consistent 20+ PPG scorer if we simply fed him the ball down low every other play or so. He's so good down there. I'm really glad the team is starting to put him into a position to succeed as of late. His rebounding still needs a bit of work though, and he lost a few rebounds on the defensive end to the much more tenacious Kris Humphries, and it cost us buckets. I mean Kris Humphries scored 18 points. Credit to Rob Small (you may know him as rc360) for being the one to call him having a big game against us.
- The more and more I see him play, the more and more I like Luther Head. He's a pesky defender, probably the best individual defender on the Kings, and he played a major role into holding Devin Harris to 10 points on 12 shots with 7 turnovers. The same Devin Harris that killed the Kings in New Jersey down the stretch. His offense isn't bad either, although I don't really like him trying to run the offense, as he tends to run out the shot clock trying to make a decision. At least he doesn't make very many poor decisions though. Only 5 turnovers (none in this game) in 177 minutes so far this year.
- Francisco Garcia is probably the best player on the Kings at moving without the ball, and the team needs to do a better job of following his lead there. He does seem to me to be a tad overrated as a defender though, as Morrow seemed to do a better job when Cisco was in the game. Cisco gets blocks and he gets steals, but he does tend to mess up some basic rotations. Still, thats what you get from Cisco. Good shooting, alright defense, a few bonehead plays a night. It is what it is.
- Jason Thompson also didn't see much playing time, but I think he did a good job while he was in there. He played a bit at the Center position next to Landry, and thats the position I think he'll have the most success in the long run. JT had some great moments defensively I think, and he was able to keep Humphries off the glass during his stint. Unfortunately he got into a bit of foul trouble because I think he would've played some more.
- DeMarcus Cousins did not have the best shooting game at 2-8. A few of those were unlucky bounces. A couple were poor decisions. But this guy is something else, even when he doesn't put up the gaudy stats. He's able to get to the line almost when he wants to. He can rebound. He gets his hand on a lot of sloppy passes and dribbles. He can even play some defense and I think he had another good defensive night (although his team defense does need some work, he got caught napping a couple times by Lopez, that'll come with experience). I am loving what I'm seeing from him, and I think he's getting more and more comfortable with the NBA game. I'm 90% certain that he'll re-win the Starting role before the season is up (perhaps helped by the trade deadline). I don't care that DeMarcus won't win Rookie of the Year (he won't). I'm just glad he's on our team.
- Darnell Jackson's sole purpose in the game was to win me a bet with James on the number of players in the rotation tonight. James said 9, I said 10. He didn't even see 50 seconds of playing time.
- Omri Casspi was the odd man out. On one hand, I was sad because I love Omri, but on the other, this team needed defense way more than it needed offense, and Omri's defense needs a lot of work. I think he's a hard enough worker that that is probably what he'll spend his time improving though.
- For what its worth, I like Westphal as our coach. He doesn't have to just be a coach with these guys, but also a teacher and a parent really, given their youth. For what its worth, he tightened the rotation today to essentially nine men, and I think he's going to stick with it for a while. I know we rag on him all the time for having inconsistent lineups, but its hard to be consistent when you don't have consistent players.
- Anthony Morrow is the smoothest shooter I have ever seen. Its almost effortless. I'm pretty sure that he could win the 3 Point contest at the All-Star Game every single time he was in it. He got signed by the Nets for 3 years, $12 million. I think I wouldn't have minded if the Kings had spent a little bit more to get him on the team.
- Marv Albert was in the building. I guess he does the Nets broadcasts, which is cool for them, because Marv calls a great game. I didn't get a chance to talk to him at all unfortunately.
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Yay Kings!
Kinda typical that I missed out on the game where we snapped the losing streak. But I like to think that my presense in the first half was what got us the win. Or something.
Yeah, that makes no sense, as we were definitely down at halftime when I left. Oh well.
Good recap…I just wish I could’ve seen the second half :( I guess there’s always the next game…
"Oh, hello Mater. Um...sorry about pulling the plug on you and all. Who would've thought you'd pull through...and live...for another five decades? Boy, is my face red!"
Great write up as always Aykis
On a side note, Don Geronimo attended the game today. He just moved to Sacto for good and he decided to go to the game and Kings won. I say keep he keeps the streak alive by attending more games :P
It was great seeing JT at Center, no more SF…ever…and I mean ever.
One thing I hope gets better is the decisions that Evans makes. Down the stretch there were a few times when Cousins or Landry were in good position on the low post and Evans sort of waved them off to make room for himself.
On one occasion he did this to Cousins who in turn kind of shook his head as Evans missed the jumper.
Go to work on that chemistry, especially with those two. I get you’re the top dog ‘Reke, but passing it off once in a while isn’t a bad thing
Fun game though, at least I didn’t pull out any hairs this game.
Michae Bluth - "Clear as the Ann on plain's face."
Leela -" Man, I'm sore all over. I feel like I just went ten rounds with mighty Thor"
Fry - "I feel like I was mauled by Jesus. "
Homer - " When I held that gun in my hand, I felt a surge of power…like God must feel when he’s holding a gun."
Don's
show sucks so bad.
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by caseycheesecake on Nov 20, 2010 7:31 AM PST up reply actions
I can't listen
and have no idea how it stays on the air. Koz was much more interesting, which isn’t that hard.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Acquired taste
but then I’ve listen to him since I was in 7th grade
and yeah, he trashed the callers from Sac back then because they were horrible. He always said he wanted to live here though, always, and even had a Don&Mike live show in Sacramento.
I liked Koz, didn’t care for his show but I listened to it. Apparently, no one else did because his ratings were horrible. Don has literally helped KHTK a top station in Sacramento now since arriving. Few don’t like him, more do.
Michae Bluth - "Clear as the Ann on plain's face."
Leela -" Man, I'm sore all over. I feel like I just went ten rounds with mighty Thor"
Fry - "I feel like I was mauled by Jesus. "
Homer - " When I held that gun in my hand, I felt a surge of power…like God must feel when he’s holding a gun."
by Apoet on Nov 20, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What do you like about his show?
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Nov 20, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
Don Geronimo
I’ve listened to Don Geronimo’s new show a couple of times, and found it funny in parts but overall not up to the standards of the Don & Mike Show.
That said, it blows doors on Jim Kozimor’s feeble attempts at being an afternoon host, and we really shouldn’t even be talking about the two in the same sentence.
Don Geronimo is a national level radio host, a la, Howard Stern. Dude has more broadcasting talent in his left big toe than Koz could ever begin to muster.
It’s like the difference between Kevin Garnett and Joel Pryzbilla.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Exactly
Don can grab an audience, and while I agree it isn’t up to the level Don&Mike show was, it’s still a far superior show to what Koz had.
Nothing against Koz, I liked the guy and met him twice and he was a genuinely nice person, but Don has the experience and charisma Koz didn’t.
As to why I like Don, I guess it really depends. I’m biased being that I was a teen when I first started listening to his show and now in my 20’s. So obviously I’m just a loyal listener at this point. I would say I definitely like his honesty and no bs attitude. I also like how much he is willing to share about his life to his audience, like when his wife died and when he opened up about him being adopted and his foster parent basically disowning him.
But, this is the Kings blog, let’s not get to carried away about Don and a simple comment I made about him attending the game. heh.
Michae Bluth - "Clear as the Ann on plain's face."
Leela -" Man, I'm sore all over. I feel like I just went ten rounds with mighty Thor"
Fry - "I feel like I was mauled by Jesus. "
Homer - " When I held that gun in my hand, I felt a surge of power…like God must feel when he’s holding a gun."
I expect Evans and Cousins to start developing some pick and roll chemistry heading into All Star Break
The opportunities are there to hit Cousins on the pick, but Evans isn’t seeing it yet. When they start working on it in practice and showing Evans the tape, I’m sure we’ll start seeing it.
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Great recap!
I missed the game, so this thorough recap is very appreciated. I’m sad to see Omri dropped out of the lineup…of course someone has to get the short end of the stick, but he is widely seen as the “SF of the future”
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good things happen when you free donte
although i wanted to see omri too
Yeah but now it's time to free Omri
Why is it that somebody has to ride the pine? Green got over 34 minutes. I think Casspi should seen gotten at least 5 of those.
Playing your starters 30+ minutes is normal for good teams
We have too many decent players, need to consolidate somehow to address our weaknesses.
Agree. Too many bench/ok players on the Kings.
Hopefully a move is made at some point. It is obvious this team needs a point guard to run the show. Also obvious that Tyreke is really hurting (as recap said), and has injuries that linger. Will he be healthy this season?
OK/Bench players on Kings = Omri, JT, Beno, Cisco, Head, etc. etc. etc……
And, if Donte had a consistent three ball, which it seems he could have, he could be the answer at three.
Donte shoot 37.7% from 3 on 183 attempts last year
It’s hard to say whether he can repeat that this season, since he’s only taken 9 attempts so far. But, I think his stroke looks fine, and I can see him eventually leading the team in 3’s this season.
I’m actually more concerned with Tyreke who shot 25.5% on 141 attempts last season. And, is shooting 23.8% on 21 attempts this season, on pace to shot over 180.
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I don't agree
I’d like to find out what Casspi has on any given day. What if Casspi gets in the game and then goes on a tear? Seems to me it would be a shame to not find that out simply because the coach has some closed minded rule that all starters must play 30+.
And then everyone will complain that PW doesn't have a tight rotation
He can’t win for losing. We have way too many players that deserve PT, but very few that command it.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 20, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Well said.
"Oh, hello Mater. Um...sorry about pulling the plug on you and all. Who would've thought you'd pull through...and live...for another five decades? Boy, is my face red!"
For emphasis -
We have way too many players that deserve PT, but very few that command it.
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staement of the week
this should go into GB&U but I know that you are won’t do that as it is your own.
by betweentheeyes on Nov 20, 2010 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
I think eventually Casspi will get Garcia's minutes.
But, Omri needs to work on his defense, to win back his minutes. They are very close offensively. And, both have less then perfect defenses. Cisco relies on recovering from behind once he gets beaten, and Omri relies on gambling. Both need to work on staying in front of their man. Which can be said of all our wings and guards except for Head.
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by HighTops on Nov 20, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm sure there will be times when they will play Omri and Donte at the same time.
Tyreke will run the point, Casspi at the 2, and Greene at the 3.
by MarcusC on Nov 20, 2010 11:07 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Much better result
Like you said, not pretty but I’ll take it.
I think it’s about time for another of Ziller’s reports on Tyreke’s jumper. He seemed pretty hot last night.
Now in Sactown
I thought his jumper looked terrific last night.
The Nets seemed perfectly content to give ‘Reke the wide-open mid-range jumper last night, and Tyreke was nailing it. That’s exactly what he needs to do to keep any defense on it’s heels.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 20, 2010 6:53 AM PST up reply actions
It would be nice to see, and easier on his ankles, if decides to make the mid range jumper his primary way of scoring.
If it is man to man, he should use the mid range post game more often. I think with his size, big hands, and strength, a lot could be accomplished from it.
When he goes to post up, they could have plays designed so that when their defense goes to double team him, Tyreke can hit a slasher or a man wide open for an uncontested jumpshot.
If they don’t double team him, with his ball handle and quickness, he could easily use his spin move to get to the basket.
Also, If they don’t double him but it is too congested to go to the basket, he could use a fade-away jumper from the post. He already has a natural fade to his jumpshot, so it shouldn’t be too hard for him to develop and master.
Sometimes he wouldn’t even have to fully post up his man. He could just turn a little like he is going to post, but then quickly pull up for an easy basket. He definately has the quickness and hands, in my opinion, to develop and master these moves.
by MarcusC on Nov 20, 2010 12:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Tyreke still needs to post smaller guards up more
PW claims they have it the playbook bt I don’t really see it. To become an elite player he needs to keep hitting those mid-range shots and post up more.
He also needs to give up the ball and reward teammates who run with him on the fast break.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
He hit (I believe) 4 mid-range (yay!) jumpers in a row.
maye five.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
I started going crazy on each consecutive one
It was nice to finally see him hit some in a row. He needs to do it more than he’s been shooting in the past.
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by kingsfan300 on Nov 20, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Not according to Hoopdata
They have him at 1-5 at the rim
2-6 inside 10ft
0-0 midrange (10-15ft)
5-9 long 2’s (16-23ft)
and 0-1 from 3pt range.
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It sure looked like 3 of those at least were in the 10-15 foot range
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Yea, I don't know how they determine the locations.
if he’s on the 15ft line do they round up? Whatever, I’ll take a 10-17ft jumper over those 3pt shots any day.
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Not only did they go in, but they looked good, too.
Like they were supposed to go in.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 20, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
Kings win?!
That’s awesome. Pretty much makes my day. I’m in Canada right now, so I didn’t get to see it; too busy flying and driving in the snow,
The recap pretty much explained everything, but did Omri get a DNP-CD, al la Donte, or did he just get a couple of minutes?
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
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30 years ago, this indeed would have been a better plan
For starters, we started our offense the first few possessions by posting Dalembert three times. All three times he failed and I couldn’t help but think how stupid that plan was compared to feeding the ball down low to Westphal.
"But the Kings went in another direction, and that’s today’s reality: a full rebuild, multiple coaching changes, 42 wins in two seasons and a 3-6 start this season. Meanwhile, Ron has a ring and is a key cog on the best team in the league, so I guess it worked out OK for him."
by NewEraKings on Nov 20, 2010 8:26 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
lol
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 20, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
Probably even now, though, it's a better idea than posting Dally.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 20, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
Gah it was late
Meant Landry. I’ll fix it.
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So where does Omri fit...
In this new tightened rotation? Omri is not the 11th best player on this team, by any stretch, and dumping him for Donte seems like a serious slap.
Evans, Omri, Cisco, and Beno all screw up on defensive rotations
Evans is our guy, Beno is valuable for his offense when a play breaks down since he can handle the ball and shoot the mid range, and Cisco is a better defender than Omri (not by too much though).
Donte’s calling card seems to be his defense, so it’s not too hard to imagine why Omri is the odd man out. Defense seems to be the focus of the team right now.
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I'm not sure
Omri can provide outside shooting which was lacking last night. I wonder if coach has lost confidence in his defense.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
Things I noticed watching the game
Dalembert will probably not be here next year.
Tyreke misses way too many layups. He needs to work on putting it up softer.
Landry was the only offensive player that could be counted on consistently.
Big shot Beno.
Cassi’s turn in the doghouse
Crunch time had 4 guards and Cuz on the floor.
Casspi’s turn in the doghouse
It’s not a doghouse. Now for Donté, it kind of was, but nobody else.
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Speaking of Landry
We need to feed this guy waaayyy more. Last night, the only time Landry was stopped was when his team stopped feeding him. He took 12 shots, and considering he is our most consistent option right now, he needs to take between 15-20 every night. IMO
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
The Omri question
speaks volumes about this current roster. There really wasn’t anyone last night that got too many minutes or didn’t deserve the minutes they received, yet there were no available minutes for Casspi. The easy take is to bash Westphal or allude that Casspi must now be in the doghouse, but the simplest explanation is usually the correct one, and in this case it’s that Casspi was the 3rd wing player behind Greene and Garcia.
It may or may not remain this way, but Greene’s minutes had to come from somewhere, and for last night they came from Omri and Jason Thompson. Team Donté rejoices, while team Omri fumes.
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I'm really not team anybody
But the way players go from the starting lineup to dnp-cd on this team (MULTIPLE guys already here we are barely 10% into the season) is unparalleled and indicative of a coach with no plan or clue
by lchristmas on Nov 20, 2010 9:54 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I understand the problem
What is the solution? How should the minutes have played out last night?
Casting Wright aside, there are 48 minutes to divvy up amongst Greene, Casspi and Garcia at the 3. How should they be split up?
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We're going to need Omri's scoring
and I’m not convinced he’s that bad a defender.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
I know that players want to play
but another perspective is that these players are evaluated on their stats – it helps determine their “worth”. So playing time is king. If Omri had played, let’s say 10 minutes, he would have scored maybe 6 points if that. That gets factored into his ppg scoring along with the other stats, and decreases his worth.
I can’t say that this is the reason he got no playing time, but I wonder if that factors into the coach’s decision (officially DNP-CD) for some of these guys, Omri in particular because I agree that he has to be the “most likely to start” of anyone on this team outside of Evans, Landry and DeMarcus.
by betweentheeyes on Nov 20, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Understood
Who doesn’t play, or how do you redistribute these minutes?
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Jackson and probably JT
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by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Well,
Thompson and Jackson played only up front last night, so reducing their minutes does not benefit Casspi, unless you are thinking of playing him or Greene at the 4.
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Plenty of teams go small
at various point of the game – including us. And 6’-9" isn’t that small.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
14 players and a 9 man rotation, somebody has to sit.
Statisticly, Garcia & Omri are very close. Omri is the better 3pt shooter and rebounder. But Cisco has the better FG%, more steals, more blks, fewer turnovers and fewer fouls.
If you had to pick one player to best fit the role of backup for both the 2 & 3, you’d have to go with Garcia. But, maybe not better than Omri as just the 3 backup. So, it comes down to whether or not you want to split the backup 2 & 3 minutes between the two of them with one getting 13 at the 3 and the other getting 10 or less at the 2. I’m guessing that PW would rather have one player warmed up and active in the game, and getting all the shots, then to bring both off the bench and hope they get hot right away.
I think that having one guy getting the minutes is the better choice, unless of course he’s stinking up the place. So, now it’s up to Omri to get his defense to the point where he wins the job from Cisco.
We asked for fixed and shorter rotations so I’m not going to complain now.
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if one could discern an actual consistent rationale such as you have laid out i'd have less of a problem with it
but the abrupt 180’s and baffling decisions we have seen suggest more of the proverbial bag of shit at the wall approach
How I'd do it:
PF/C: Landry 30, Dalembert: 25, Cousins 25, Thompson 16
SF: Donte: 25, Casspi 23
SG: Tyreke 35, Garcia 13
PG: Udrih 30, Head 18
Garcia/Head/Udrih can take or lose each other’s minutes depending on matchups. But that would be my 10 man rotation.
I like the thinking here
The thought of Udrih “covering” Harris last night for 30 minutes gives me hives, but I like the concept.
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Theoretically at least
Tyreke should be able to switch onto PGs like Harris to bother them like he did last year, and Udrih could have guarded Morrow. But maybe not when Tyreke’s ankle is bothering him and/or he isn’t as interested in defense as last year.
Udrih on Morrow does not make me feel any better
But I’m probably hypersensitive to Beno’s defensive shortcomings. I think the medical term for that is Martin-itis.
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Morrow's a pure jump shooter
And is very marginal off the bounce. That’s a much better match up imo than beno yelling help against harris
by lchristmas on Nov 20, 2010 12:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This is like having the choice of firing squad vs. lethal injection
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Whether its injury or lack of effort or execution
What is killing the back court defense is tyreke. We all KNOW beno is a terrible defender and that won’t change. Reke has the tools to pick up his slack and guard the other teams best guard, 1 or 2. You can live with one bad defender. Not two.
by lchristmas on Nov 20, 2010 12:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Tyreke has definitely regressed
I hope that the cause is the injured ankle(s).
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right
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by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
I started typing mine before I saw yours
I think you are almost a very astute observer
;)
by lchristmas on Nov 20, 2010 12:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe it'll average out like that
but when the team is playing well and a certain player is a big part of it, why not roll with it. Expecting starters to only get 24ish min a night isn’t the best plan, unless you’re covering your bases w/ fouls (like Cousins).
I don't think garcia can defend the 3 against most decent teams for long stretches
And I understand that rotations have to change based on matchups and who is playing well
I would like to see something like this
Evans 32
Head 22
Greene 24
Landry 32
Dally 24
Beno 26
Garcia 18
Casspi 22
Cuz 26
Thompson 14
I agree with a poster above _ omri, imo, is not an 11th man on a bad team. I think he’s a future star. He needs to play. I’m fine with keeping jt on a short leash, giving minor minutes to darnell or more run to the other bigs
My point really is not specific to last nights game, it is a coaching and organizational complete lack of direction that bothers me
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by lchristmas on Nov 20, 2010 12:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Nice layout
As I’ve noted, I think that this is the current challenge for this coaching staff and team. If you go to this recent post and read the thread, you will see that there are several different variations, and virtually all of them have merit.
So the coaching staff has two choices – set a rotation that is sure to tick someone off, or vary the rotation based on feel and the opponent for that evening, thereby bringing cries of an unsettled rotation. This does not appear to be a situation that will be resolved until a couple of pieces of the current roster are moved.
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I don't see it as such a can't-win situation
Lots of teams have ten-man rotations, the Kings just need to establish one. As long as there’s some order and consistency to it, there’s no reason a ten-man rotation can’t be reasonable all around. PW just needs to stop playing Wright and Jackson, play ten guys reasonable minutes, and I think most everyone would be happy.
About 25% of the teams run 10 man rotations
Two good teams – Orlando and Phoenix – as well as Cleveland, Detroit, Houston (which may be injury fueled), the Clippers, Minnesota and Philly. The rest of the teams only go past 8 or 9 guys when there are injuries or blowouts. That said, I think that a 10 man rotation is reasonable for the Kings.
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I think so too
because within those ten there leaves a lot of room to for match up issues, and it doesnt mean that a player has to have 30 minutes or a DNP.
Head, head, head
He’s getting the SG minutes that Garcia would have, forcing PW to play Garcia at SF, thus eating Omri’s backup SF minutes.
Good point
Now, if you had put Head out of the rotation last night, Harris could have likely eaten Udrih, Garcia or even the gimpy Evans alive. So the question is, would Casspi have brought anything additional to the 3, and would it have offset the carnage that Harris might have wreaked on the Kings?
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by section214 on Nov 20, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah but with Casspi last night there was a pretty reasonable explanation for it
Watched the second half and very much enjoyed watching Head, Greene, and Cousins play well.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 20, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Disagree.
Consistent starting lineups dont lead to wins. Wins lead to consistent starting lineups. Why is it so difficult for you people to understand? He starts Omri, Omri plays good 1 game bad the next 6. Do you continue to start him? No. Any coach in the NBA would have as many as lineup changes as PW had they been coaching the Kings. Blame PW all you want but the truth is our roster is young, unproven and considerably weaker then most of the teams out there.
by ridingthebench on Nov 20, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Donte does the same thing
we’ll see though
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by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Since when?
He only started one game, and barely played the game after.
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I'm talking historically of course
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by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
i think this is a reply to me but i had to look pretty far back to tell
if you’re going to give the condescending “you people” treatment you should maybe address what i actually said
“But the way players go from the starting lineup to dnp-cd on this team (MULTIPLE guys already here we are barely 10% into the season) is unparalleled and indicative of a coach with no plan or clue”
i don’t really care about the starting lineup, its far less important than total minutes and who’s in at the end. my problem with p-dub is the haphazard, rash nature of many of his moves and the complete lack of knowing or showing “what he has” in some of these guys after a good year and a half on the job
i don’t think “any coach in the nba” would announce donte as the starter after training camp and then have him on the end of the bench 2 games later and barely taking off the sweats for the next 2 weeks
i don’t think “any coach in the nba” would agree that omri casspi should be an 11th man on an awful team (if you thought that, why did you think he was a 30 mpg player a week ago? at which of these two times was your evaluation completely wrong?)
i don’t think “any coach in the nba” would think that jason thompson would be a reasonable option to start at the 3. i dont think any other coach in the nba would play him for one minute at the 3.
the players have underachieved and played poorly but you miss my point – with a young, unproven roster you need a strong coach with some stability and consistency – not a guy acting like a drunk teenager setting lineups on nba live at 3 am
with the logjam at wing
does somebody have to be traded? if so who? thinking of the future id rather see garcia go before donte or casspi. i dont think any has to be traded, this just might be how the rotation shakes out, westphal rides a starter and the hotter hand off the bench.
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by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 20, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
My preference would be to see Garcia traded
But his contract commands additional assets be thrown in. Could the Kings get a defensive point guard that can also stick the open jumper for Thompson/Garcia? Doubtful, in my opinion. Ultimately, they may need to decide between Greene and Casspi, and deal one of them.
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i liked
the initial idea this season that casspi would be the spark off the bench every night. unfortunately i dont think hes a consistent enough scorer at this point is his career for that role. in a perfect world greene would become a solid starter and casspi WOULD be the 6th man.
i think u nailed what id like to see with garcia being traded with jt for a defensive pg. i think the kings are stuck between a rock and a hard place because im sure they would like to upgrade the pg position but they have a pg in a long term contract. so if they acquire somebody to fill that roll now they have a pg log jam to go with the big man log jam. all that to get rid of the wing log jam. decisions will need to be made tho either during this season or next summer.
who would have thought we would be arguing there are too many guys on this team deserving playing time. its a gift and a curse i guess
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by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 20, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
And I was too specific when I described the player as a “defensive minded point guard that can also stick the open jumper…” Head, for example, is not really a pg, but if he were more consistent offensively he would be perfect. Or if Udrih was a better defensive player, he’d work. As we are coming to realize, the KIngs have a lot of players with a lot of different strengths and witnesses, but they really don’t have one complete player on the roster today.
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i think if we make any move
we have to make a move for a pg tho. currently the sf/sg rotation is, as we have stated over and over crowded. the big man rotation currently includes 1, maybe 2 too many guys (and even worse, at this point we dont know who the odd man/men out are).
i wouldnt be surprised if the kings shipped one of those guys out for little in return (a 2nd round pick and money) as basically addition by subtraction.
hard part is, with inconsistent playing time and inconsistent production, i dont think any of our guys (those who are likely to be involved in a deal) trade value is very high
with beno continuing to become a defensive hole, i wonder if there is a possibility he is traded. but just like with cisco, with his contract, even if they wanted to trade him it might not be possible
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by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 20, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
I think the shortcomings are magnified in the light of disappointment
Ad nauseum: winning cures all ills.
I look at a team like Orlando and individually their squad can be easily dismantled into flawed players. They make it work and have proven this season after season. If you traded one of their starters to the Kings (DHoward excluded) do you think the Kings front line would improve? dramatically ?
It is mostly the lack of experience mixed in with some stumbles by the coaching staff. I am a Coach Paul stalwart but even he would have to admit that there is disappointment that the team is not performing as well as they should and some of that “blame” (I dislike the concept applied here) can be directed towards coaching.
There is more talent this season than last but there is more reliance and expectation on youth this year – they (Evans, Casspi, Greene and 3rd year JT) (DMC, Whiteside and Pooh are rookies) are older but less than one month more experienced than last season – yet much more is expected of them.
The preacher is ready to speak… but holding his tongue because the season is long and patience is always too short.
by betweentheeyes on Nov 20, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
I keep coming back to your point that we are wide but not necessarily deep
we need another player (like a defensive minded guard) who is clearly better than our current options, even if it means giving up multiple OK players to get him.
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Can we make a new player....Domri Grasspi?
by amonk81 on Nov 20, 2010 9:49 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
This is the problem with the team
We have too many players who are good at one thing, not another. Making Westphal’s job even harder. There’s no doubt in my mind that Omri is a better playmaker and scorer than Donté, but there’s also no doubt in my mind that Greene is the better defender.
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I think if Donte had the freedom like Tyreke has
He would be the superior scorer to Omri. I do think that Omri is the better shooter, but has problems creating his own shot. Donte, as we have seen, has no problems creating for himself off the dribble, but that’s not in the job description.
I have to respectfully disagree with this
I just don’t see Donté being a 21 ppg scorer.
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Do you see Casspi as a 21 ppg scorer?
I think he is a good finisher, but he can’t really create his own shot from the wing, or the post. I love his energy and tenacity though.
last year
11 guys scored 21 ppg or more and 16 scored 20 ppg +
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2010_leaders.html
long story short.. donte or omri scoring 21ppg or more (especially on the same team as tyreke) is a stretch
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by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 20, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
No
Andres Nocioni is a career 11 point per game scorer. That is roughly the range that I find Casspi in. Capable of going for 30+ on any given night, but a 10-15 man for the most part.
Greene’s niche may be of the James Posey/Bruce Bowen/Shane Battier type, albeit with more length. Those guys could go for 20+ on you on any given night, but they were/are guys that average in the 10-12 range. That’s where I see Donté.
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OK
So you see Casspi 10-15 and Donte 10-12, I agree with that. Since you brought up Battier, its funny because that exactly the guy I want the Kings to go after in FA next year. I would love either Casspi or DG to back Battier up. I don’t think that DG or Casspi has earned the right to start in this league yet. The signing of Battier would probably involve us trading one of the two, but I wouldn’t mind if it was for a guy like Andre Miller/Chauncey Billups/Jason Kidd/Steve Nash.
I would love Battier,
except that he turns 33 next year. I would prefer to hold out hope that one of these youngsters could develop into a Battier-type.
The median age of the guards that you list will be 36 next year, probably too old for this team at this time. They’re all great players, though.
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I know that they are going to be old, but I want them more for showing the young guys the ropes, rather then being they guys that would be there ultimately when we are contending for the title. After hearing Donte wasn’t in shape, and seeing Tyrekes defense regress this year, it’s obvious to me that these young kids need someone to show them how a professional is suppose to work. All the PG’s i mentioned are great passing guys, which we lack on our team. We need a veteran PG that can divvy up the shots between all the scorers that we have. Sometimes I feel that Tyreke ignores the mismatches during the game, and rather just look for his own shot. Passing is contagious and it starts with the guy that has his hands on the ball the most.
I'd take on Miller in a heart beat
Yes, he’ll be 35, but he’s had 11 years of 80+ games in a row, and his contract for next season is only $7.8M and is fully unguaranteed.
Unfortunately, even if Portland decided to trade him and let Mills or Rudy take over, I’m not sure we have anybody they would want. JT or Hassan to replace Oden?
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Miller is a terrible idea
he’s had problems coexisting with a ball-dominant wing in Roy. You think he’ll fare any better w/ Reke? No, we need a combo guard at best, not a “pure” pass first PG by any means.
Evans had asked for a vet to share the load.
And, Miller and Roy’s defense are the key to Portlands success. I know Reke has been a ball dominant guard, but who else was there, and didn’t the FO and coaches put the pressure on him to take over games (20-5-5).
But, like I said Miller doesn’t have a guaranteed contract of next season, and if he want to play longer he’ll cooperate.
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i disagree, i'd say donte's pretty good at creating bad shots off the dribble
i am ok with him as a spot up shooter or on the break but everything else in his offensive game is very iffy
I called for morrow last offseason
He was exactly what we needed here
management opted for Cap Flexibility instead. That dude cannot hit a jumper though
by lchristmas on Nov 20, 2010 9:49 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Aykis' hyperbole comment of the week
Anthony Morrow is the smoothest shooter I have ever seen. Its almost effortless. I’m pretty sure that he could win the 3 Point contest at the All-Star Game every single time he was in it.
At least I hope it was hyperbole
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It's not hyperbole at all.
Check this promotional video for the All-Star Game the Warriors made. Apparently this is about his accuracy all the time and I’m not surprised.
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58% true shooting for a guy that doesn't get a ton of plays run for him
And only $4 million a year for the next three years. Nice value for the Nets.
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Does that translate into the best 3 pt shooter in the NBA?
And winning every single time he’s in the 3 pt contest? I think not young man, I think not.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
Not that I'd want to argue
with a Warriors promotional video
:-)
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by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
You have to watch him in person
Its just unbelievable.
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I can't think of anybody that I would bet my booze money on against him though
by lchristmas on Nov 20, 2010 4:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Please stick with this starting lineup...
Luther, Reke, Donte, Landry, and Dally. Please. Eventually they’ll lose, and someone (here, or across the Atlantic) is going to be grumbling why Omri and Beno aren’t starting or getting more minutes, and comparing Omri and Beno’s shooting to Donte and Luther’s respectively…I don’t care.
by getPGwithbounce on Nov 20, 2010 11:24 AM PST reply actions
Good recap
I agree with all of it,except for the fact I think Tyreke did the worst job guarding Morrow. He kept getting lost on screens and leaving Morrow for no reason. It seems like Cousins was getting mad sometimes at the end of the game on some of Tyreke’s decisions. I like this because I think sometimes that some of the players need to call him out on some of his ridiculously bad TO’s he’s been doing at the end of games. Anthony Morrow is one smooth shooter, but Ray Allen is still the best in the business for my money.
by elSAVinator on Nov 20, 2010 11:34 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
we barely beat nets?
I thought oh no not another loss but some how we won.now on sunday the big guns are coming to arco hornets!………….GO KINGS!!
by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Nov 20, 2010 12:05 PM PST reply actions
KINGS STILL NEED A SHOOTER
We need to trade ,buy do something geoff petrie!we need help!
by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Nov 20, 2010 12:07 PM PST reply actions
Next Season.
Makes no sense for GP to go out and sign a Free Agent this year with the CBA expiring after this season. If we were a playoff contending team..sure, but we’r not. May as well make due with what we have, end up with a high lottery pick again, THEN sign a FA once Salary’s have dropped from the new CBA. Also would not be surprised to see Dalembert moved before the trade deadline for a PG or SF. Kings fan want to build the franchise like OKC did, but they forget OKC had to lose a lot of games for 4 Top 5 draft picks. And there are several talented Small Forwards expected to enter the draft this year.
by ridingthebench on Nov 20, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
1st Tyreke then Cousins..
I wouldn’t mind Harrison Barnes on the team next year and with the way the standings are looking its not a far fetched idea.
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/harrison-barnes
by ridingthebench on Nov 20, 2010 12:37 PM PST reply actions
Unless Daly becomes so dominant in the post between now and the trade deadline that he becomes indespensiblethen I think he's gone
Finally, getting Landry the rock down low. That’s how he made his reputation in Houston, take a mid range j occasionally to keep defenses honest but he’s money down low.
A couple of times Cuz got the ball in the high paint and tried to spin to improve his position and ended up drawing offensive fouls on both. He’s a good enough shooter that when he gets an open look he needs to take that 10-12 foot jumper rather than using his spin move to get closer to the hoop.
I think Reke had one hoop in the paint last night. I know his jumper is looking better but he is so effective when he takes it in for a layup that I hate to settle for jumpers, even if he’s making them. That makes me think Dr. Akis is right on with his diagnostic on Reke’s ankle/foot.
It was great to get the win last night even when you consider who we beat. We could have easily lost last night if Westphal hadn’t made those defensive changes.
Last thing which is incredible to me that Donté hadn’t been working hard enough on his game in camp. That leads me to believe that his new found maturity is marginal at best and that he could easily end up back in PW’s doghouse. Nice recap Akis.
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by Bluejohn on Nov 20, 2010 12:47 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I agree.
Obviously Tyreke does not look the same this year and many seem to think its opposing teams Defensive scheme thats stopping Tyreke but I personally think his ankles are the problem. And as for Daly.. if he did become so dominant in the post I doubt he would resign with the Kings anyways for 2 reasons. 1. He wants to go to a winning team and 2. He knows Cousins will eventually take his starting spot. Either way I doubt Daly will become that dominant to where the Kings would feel the need to resign him especially for the money he is getting paid. In a couple years Whiteside will be all Daly is and more.
by ridingthebench on Nov 20, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
As I pointed out in my preview, NJ came in 4-7 but had lost 3 games by a total of 5 pts
and could have easily been 7-4 coming in. So, I think it was a good challenge for us and a good test for our bigs. And, it was the first team we held to below their scoring average.
I’m not reading too much into Donte’s statements about his work habits. Self doubt and recrimination isnt unusual once you rise from the depths. Besides what was he supposed to say, that he lost the weight 2 weeks into training camp and was ready enough to start the last 5 games of Preseason. And, that he has not idea why PW didn’t play him.
He took the blame and shielded his coach, which is what he had to do to keep playing.
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that he has not idea why PW didn’t play him.
Oh he definitely knows why PW wasn’t playing him. Honestly, I think it was for the best.
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I'm sure he knows
all i’m saying is that he also knows if he says the wrong thing he’ll end up on the inactive list.
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Great recap Akis
Didn’t see the game but if Sam and Cuz held Bro-Pez to 7 and 9, that is awesome.
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I'm truly happy for Greene
but let’s see some consistency from him for more than 6 quarters before we dub him the solution for a sizable chunk of our defensive troubles. He hasn’t faced Kobe, Gay or (facepalm) Beasly yet. Casspi did of course, and we saw how that went (although I still think that it was not only his fault, but also bad team D.)
And I think consistency is the operative word here. Greene biggest problem last season was consistency, on both end of the floor. For Omri the problem is similar: he is streaky on offense, and sometimes tries to do too much, and needs to improve on defense.
And consistency in rotations hasn’t been PW’s calling card either, for the last season and a bit.
I do hope however that at least PW will be consistent here. Let him start Greene for a longer stretch, and let him give Casspi the opportunity to embrace that 6th man position and see each game whether he has the hot hand or not, together with the effort and hustle. Give them both a real opportunity to sink or swim.
We can wish for a Omri Caspeen all rolled up into one marvelous player, or we can use what we have a and groom a nice 1-2 punch of two young, promising players. I sometimes feel PW is too busy masking weaknesses instead of letting the team and players play to their strengths.
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by RikSmits on Nov 20, 2010 2:02 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with almost all of this,
especially
we can use what we have a and groom a nice 1-2 punch of two young, promising players.
Here’s to them getting that opportunity, and here’s to them taking advantage of it.
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I agree to, especially about the consistency
but Greene did face Beasley in the 1st game of the season, and did fairly well if I remember correctly.
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OKO's takes
- I cant begin to understand giving Omri the DNP-CD. Just about everyone here as of last week was considering him one of our “big 3” of the future with Evans and Cousins. Westphal seems like an insecure control freak with these moves. If you watched the bench on the last shot, everyone went nuts, but Casspi didnt react at all.
- Donte can be a great defender if he commits to that, but why did he come into the season so overweight? Was he really bulking up to play the 4… I doubt it. Shameful for a pro athlete to spend the offseason letting himself go, especially when hes in a dogfight for minutes.
- This team can/is a great offensive rebounding team. And we need to be cause we dont shoot well at all. Cousins and Dalembert are both real solid, and JT is a great ORebounding PF off the bench. Even Donte at the 3 can get on the glass.
- I really think we need a gunner at the 2 spot. Arenas, JR Smith, Monta Ellis, OJ Mayo, etc. I think Tyreke is much better suited to be a 1A/1B star than the clear 1 at this point in his career.
- Thats it for the easy schedule, will be rise to the tougher opponents or crumble vs older and better coached teams?
If you watched the bench on the last shot, everyone went nuts, but Casspi didnt react at all.
If this is indeed true, then Casspi is not part of our future, in my opinion.
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I don't see
Westphal being a part of the long term future one way or the other. He’s nothing more than the transitional caretaker. It does not change the fact that if you’re too busy pouting to celebrate your team and teammate’s big moment, that is a…dare I say…red flag.
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Definitely agree about Westphal
I’m not terribly worried about the pouting though. Lots of the greats have pouted when their number wasn’t called. Call it the Pippen moment. There’s a fine line between being a selfish player and someone who just is wired to want to be the guy, want to take the shot when the game is on the line. I think Casspi is just incredibly competitive, but is still a good enough teammate to not be overly selfish that he plays to the detriment of the team.
Casspi is fine. He’s not a selfish player, just an incredible competitor. If he played like Sacramento-era Artest I think his pouting would be indicative of a selfish mindset. I don’t think that’s the case though. I just think he wants to compete. And I don’t blame him.
by nbrans on Nov 20, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It wouldn't even qualify as a Pippen moment
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
I was at Arco last night
and I was dissapointed with that as well. I actually payed a lot of attention to the bench and unfortunately I got a couple bad reads. If I get a chance in a bit I’ll expand on this.
Extremely happy with the win, but a bit worried with some of the things I saw.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
I didn't see Reke ecstatic either.
I did see Garcia come over and give Beno a huge sigh of relief hug, followed by Donte joining in.
I felt the relief!
Tyreke had a big grin
and was the first to go up to him I think.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 21, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Overreaction based on a small sample size
by lchristmas on Nov 20, 2010 9:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Had it actually occured,
once is enough. This is not statistical analysis.
Put another way, if you caught someone shtupping your mate but it was the first time that it occured, would you dismiss it to small sample size?
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by section214 on Nov 21, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Surprising overreaction from you section
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As it apparently did not occur as reported,
I’ll default to
If this is indeed true…As it may not be true, I have no issue with Casspi. But if it had been true, I stand by what I said. There is simply no excuse for not being there for your team at a moment like that. None.
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I can't help but wonder
if such alleged behaviour would have come from Tyreke or DMC would have prompted a similar reaction.
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Honestly?
It should, but it probably wouldn’t. That said, there is a big difference between your franchise player acting like a douche (see Bonds, Barry) and a complementary player (see Hart, Jason or Massenburg, Tony).
The sad truth is that in today’s world of sports, the elite of the elite dictate to the franchise to some level. So Evans would probably get a pass for this type of behavior, though I would still certainly vent my frustration. Is that fair? Certainly not. Is that life today. Yes.
This is all conjecture, as it apparently did not occur as reported. And I really don’t have an issue with the items that edm7 reported below about Casspi looking detatched during the game. Also, I’m not saying that everyone has to be a rah-rah type and jump up and down. But at the moment that Udrih hit that shot, the entire team should have been happy for him and relieved for themselves that the 6 game streak had ended.
Let me ask you – if this had happened, and Casspi had “not reacted at all” to the game winning shot, why would you want a guy like that on your team?
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by section214 on Nov 21, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Because
Let me ask you – if this had happened, and Casspi had "not reacted at all" to the game winning shot, why would you want a guy like that on your team?
To do otherwise would be hyperactive kneejerk reflexism?
Are you really saying if this was true you’d try to deal Casspi as soon as possible?
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Are you really saying if this was true you’d try to deal Casspi as soon as possible?
IF the Kings could get a veteran SF for the next 5 years, absolutely. Casspi isn’t that good right now.
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Well sure - that wasn't my point
But dealing a guy just to deal him? I’m ok with the team dealing anyone that’s going to improve them long term – Casspi’s no exception.
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Well yes, I'm not arguing to make a dael just to do a deal.
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Why would I want a guy like that on the team?
Let’s see:
- because it speaks volumes about how competitive the guy is, something that he is praised for constantly;
- because such behaviour is human nature, and a sportsman is still, you know, human;
- because he is young, and should be allowed to make mistakes (if something like that would have happend to DMC, I bet that would be the main reacton. Casspi is just 2 years older than DMC);
- because it has no influence whatsoever on how he is on the court.
If that bothers you so much that you’d want to trade him, then how should we react to Tyreke not there for his team on the court, on defense for several games? I’d find that much more worrisome. But maybe if Tyreke was shtupping your mate it would be fine?
If you want someone to be happy cheerleader, just trade Omri for Brian Scalabrine. He won a ring with it.
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Answering you and otis
And I’ve tried to be as specific as possible here, yet you guys keep expanding the conversation on this now hypothetical situation -
If a player wants to be cheesed off at the coaching staff for a DNP, fine. That should not impact him pulling for his team and teammates.
With all due respect, Smits, you could easily make the case that Evans should be lauded for playing hurt right now, so attempting to equate his play on defense to this situation just doesn’t make it in my book.
I never said that I wanted a guy to be a happy cheerleader (gee, didn’t I reference to that when I said that Casspi being detatched during the game didn’t bother me?), but in the specfic moment of Udrih hitting that shot, he should have been happy for his teammate and his team (I think I may have said that before, too).
Summarizing (and in closing, at least for me, since I’m getting tired of saying the same thing over and over again), I am fine with Casspi being upset over not playing. In fact, I’m happy about that. And if he wants to sit on the bench during the game and fume over his lack of playing time, I understand that and even respect it to some extent. But (and please pay attention to this part, becasue it is the sole point that I have been trying to make here), if a guy does not react for his teammate and his team when his teammate hits a game clinching shot that ends a tortuous 6 game losing streak, I don’t want that guy on my team.
I’m out on this topic.
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Actually
I completely understand you. I’m just amazed you feel that way.
If it’s Antoine Wright or Pooh Jeter, I might be inclined to agree with you. If it’s Omri Casspi, DeMarcus Cousins or Tyreke Evans, I think that’s nuts. Not just because these are young guys with a lot of potential, but because you’d be dealing from a position of weakness.
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Tyreke hasn't earned that distinction, though
the elite of the elite dictate to the franchise to some level.
"But the Kings went in another direction, and that’s today’s reality: a full rebuild, multiple coaching changes, 42 wins in two seasons and a 3-6 start this season. Meanwhile, Ron has a ring and is a key cog on the best team in the league, so I guess it worked out OK for him."
Not to you at least.
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Are you saying
that you think Tyreke is among “the elite of the elite” in the NBA? You really have to be kidding.
I guess that makes him a lock for the All-Star game and the Kings a lock for the playoffs. That’s where you find the truly elite players hanging out.
"But the Kings went in another direction, and that’s today’s reality: a full rebuild, multiple coaching changes, 42 wins in two seasons and a 3-6 start this season. Meanwhile, Ron has a ring and is a key cog on the best team in the league, so I guess it worked out OK for him."
Where did I say anything?
Stop putting words in my mouth.
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You said "Not to you at least"
Feel free to put words in your own mouth on this topic.
"But the Kings went in another direction, and that’s today’s reality: a full rebuild, multiple coaching changes, 42 wins in two seasons and a 3-6 start this season. Meanwhile, Ron has a ring and is a key cog on the best team in the league, so I guess it worked out OK for him."
Already have.
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Well, to quote from your blog ...
I do think, also, that it’s counter-productive to claim that others are off-base without suggesting from your POV what the problems are.
Sounds like words to live by.
"But the Kings went in another direction, and that’s today’s reality: a full rebuild, multiple coaching changes, 42 wins in two seasons and a 3-6 start this season. Meanwhile, Ron has a ring and is a key cog on the best team in the league, so I guess it worked out OK for him."
by NewEraKings on Nov 21, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"Not a superstar"
Also from Pookey’s blog:
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: How Tyreke develops as a facilitator (and this is equally true of DeMarcus Cousins and Omri Casspi so many people consistently identify those 3 as the core of the team) will determine how effective the Kings become with him running the offense. If Tyreke Evans can’t effectively keep his teammates involved and score in his individual matchup’s, he’s not a superstar. It’s that simple.
That’s good enough for me.
"But the Kings went in another direction, and that’s today’s reality: a full rebuild, multiple coaching changes, 42 wins in two seasons and a 3-6 start this season. Meanwhile, Ron has a ring and is a key cog on the best team in the league, so I guess it worked out OK for him."
its true
they showed the bench reaction over and over again. Honestly I dont blame him, unless there was an actual reason he was benched all game
Simply
If you cannot get pumped for one of your teammates hitting a clutch shot with the clock winding down to snap a six game losing streak, then I wouldn’t want you as my teammate. Maybe that’s just me.
I have not seen the video and do not know the full circumstances, so I’m not specifically advocating getting rid of Casspi. But if he was wrapped up in self-pity while his teammates were pulling out a much needed win for themselves, then I have severely overestimated Casspi’s grit, which is one of his most important and compelling features.
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Adding -
I sure would love to see some visual verification that this did/didn’t happen.
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I just recked the footage.
Couldn’t see anything with Omri’s reaction in it.
I was wrong about Reke too, While he didn’t jump up and down or anything, he was smiling and congratulatory to Beno.
Thanks for clarifying that, chenp
Greatly appreciated.
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The EURO (including Israeli) game is different from the NBA. Omri still has some growing to
do in that regard. He will be fine if he does not let this ruin his commitment and desire to meld with the NBA style. i still think JT would work better at the five and I would absolutely start him over Dalembert. Right now the post is a mythical position on the Kings.
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Hmm. I can’t tell if thats good or not.. At least we won!
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Westphal gets the message
Westphal did a good job against the Nets cutting his rotation down and playing the right guys for about the right number of minutes.
Dalembert played 19 minutes, Udrih 22 and Garcia 17. That’s probably about right.
Meanwhile, Greene played 34 minutes, Tyreke 40, Landry 36, Head 31 and Cousins 29. Greene’s and Head’s minutes were a bit surprising, but Donte’s late steal and jam was huge, as was Head’s pass to Beno.
The only other guys who played were JT for 10 minutes and Jackson for less than a minute.
So more minutes for players of the future and a tightened rotation with eight guys playing most of the minutes. Maybe Casspi could have spelled Garcia or Greene for a few of those minutes. But a win is a win, and I’ll take it.
I think you’re going to continue to see Tyreke and Landry playing major minutes, Cousins playing as many as fouls will permit and Head averaging more than 25 as he seems to understand his role on this team: play some good D and don;t make bonehead mistakes. I think minutes remain up for grabs for the rest of the team, and Westphal will play the guys who get him results.
"But the Kings went in another direction, and that’s today’s reality: a full rebuild, multiple coaching changes, 42 wins in two seasons and a 3-6 start this season. Meanwhile, Ron has a ring and is a key cog on the best team in the league, so I guess it worked out OK for him."
I do think Casspi's benching is temporary.
The defense from Greene and Head has been great, but I could see both getting a few less minutes in favor of Casspi.
But Casspi does need to show the commitment to improving on defense.
by 8thInningWeirdness on Nov 20, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Hard to say "Westphal gets the message"
Until you see how he handles the next game.
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Agreed
He got it for one game at least. Small sample.
Let’s hope he continues to get “it,” particularly on the need for a reduced rotation so there are fewer moving parts to contend with. Someone will be butt-hurt, but looking around the league, it’s the same story, with most winning teams in close games giving most of their minutes to 7-8 guys and limiting the rotation to 10 players tops.
"But the Kings went in another direction, and that’s today’s reality: a full rebuild, multiple coaching changes, 42 wins in two seasons and a 3-6 start this season. Meanwhile, Ron has a ring and is a key cog on the best team in the league, so I guess it worked out OK for him."
As I said on a post above, I was at the game too
Great to pull out a W, as I think this is exactly what the team needed to get some confidence back. I hope this helps them turn it around a bit. I know the following is just another attempt to look at the positives but looking at these first 11 games, the Kings have been in the game, one way or another, in the 4th quarter of all but probably just the Lakers game. Yes, this has been the easiest part of the schedule, our wins have all also been close, and these are teams we ‘should’ beat, but as bad as we have played, the Kings have been in games. There has always been a couple little things that have lost the game for us and we definitely haven’t been able to put together a good game from the first to the 48th minute. The Kings didn’t put together a great game of ball last night, but they played a good game for all 48 minutes, IMO. While Jersey is not a playoff team, don’t talk down to them either. They’ve been playing good basketball and are well coached. For where the Kings are, this was a very good win.
A couple notes on yesterday:
As someone who has criticized Reke’s defense quite a bit, it was refreshing to see how he went into defense FU mode and stepped it up on that side of the court. He still gets lost on rotations and needs to fight harder through screen, but you could tell that he was working hard on that end last night. I’m guessing the coaching staff might have talked to him about it (more on an incident between him and coach PW later). The jumper was going down (or so it seemed). I don’t know what’s up with the LuK, but I think working on that jumper so much during the summer kinda messed up his layups.
One thing I noticed about Reke is that he may be having a bit of trouble deferring to his teammates now that he has more talent around him. Last year, it was all him in crunch time, now we have some low post options in DMC and Landry and he’s still getting used to giving up the ball in those moments. I hope the coaching staff starts designing some plays that integrates DMC and Carl post skills with Reke’s penetration because that’d be awesome. On a side note, twitter tells me that DMC and Reke are hanging tonight so looks like they’re working on that chemistry off the floor as well. Good for them (and us).
DMC I thought had a very good game. He played well against every guy Jersey threw at him, including Lopez. While I was surprised the stats show he didn’t hit that many shots, he was driving Lopez crazy in the 4th. He kept attacking and while he was guilty of keeping the ball too much sometimes, he showed a wide array of moves in the post that were just amazing to see. So much raw potential in there, red flags or not, I’m happy we have him. It seemed like he didn’t want to take any jumpshot though. I’ve seen him made those foul line jumpers before but it appeared he was not even trying to shot them although he was wide open on at least 2 occasions. He played some good D as well, and was visibly upset at the defense/offense subs with Dally at the end of the game (more to come on this later as well).
Donte had a good game as well. He’s focused on defense and I think got the message on offense that he’s the 4th or 5th option out there. He played under control and had a couple important defensive plays in the 4th. If he plays like this every game, he could lock that SF spot or at least make sure he always get solid minutes. Either way we all win.
Casspi getting a DNP was confusing, but then again, I can’t complain after a win. I know it’s not common but I truly believe the Kings should roll out a 10 player rotation. I think Casspi is too talented not play him and hope PW finds some minutes in the rotation for him. I understand it’s tough but I do think he could’ve taken a couple of Donte’s minutes and maybe a couple from Cisco. Again, after a W not much to say, but hope he gets some next game. He was also visibly frustrated by the situation; you could easily tell during timeouts and in his interaction with other players. Yet another thing to expand at the end of the post.
There’s no doubt that when you give the ball to Carl deep in the post good things happen. Agree with Aykis about the dribbling and that we could use better ball movement from him, but he gets you buckets and makes it look easy. I think he could be a great mentor to Cuz.
Dalembert on the other hand showed yet again why he frustrated so many people in Philly. Very good defensive player but should limit his offense to dunks, putbacks, and offensive rebounds. Definitely not the guy you run your offense through. To be honest, I don’t think this is an instruction coming from the staff but more of a reactionary move by the players on the court. After the first timeout they went straight to Landry, as the coaching staff probably emphasized. I think the ball handlers (Reke and Head) see Dally open (probably what other teams want) and in an attempt to get the ball moving, pass it to him. Then Dalembert doesn’t get a better option and burns some secs in the clock and is forced to make a play, which usually ends up in a bad possession.
A point I wanted to make relating to Dalembert: While his impact on D is undeniable, I think he will never be able to by himself cover for the team’s defensive problems. He brings great things on that end of the court but I think improved team defense could bring similar if not better results than just having him there protecting the paint. I’m not convinced, on a small sample size, that he’s as important to our D as improved rotations and perimeter defense could be. If I had to pick one player to keep out of Dally and Carl, after only 11 games, I’d go with Carl hands down. We’ll see more as the games go by obviously. Happy to have him though, don’t mistake that.
Head, Udrih, and Cisco all did their jobs. I think all 3 bring needed defense, shooting, and playmaking needed to complement Tyreke in the backcourt. I was very impressed with Head’s D on Harris and though he is erratic at times, that’s just the reality of this team. To repeat what others are saying, we have players with different skills, but none that are good at most aspects of the game.
Now onto a bit of a ‘red flag’ segment I’ve been referring too. As said above, I was paying close attention to the interactions of players and coaches in the Kings bench and unfortunately I caught glimpse of a couple negative things. Don’t think it’s necessarily a big deal but I do think that I’d be kinda unfair for me not to pass along what I saw.
First Reke: after a play in the 4th, as PW calls a timeout, he gets on him right away about something, I’m guessing his defense (good to see) and for the first time I saw Tyreke barking back at PW, while being very animated. It automatically took me back to Amick’s article about Tyreke not taking criticism too well. I liked PW getting on him, but I didn’t think Reke’s response was very professional.
Second, Cuz: I believe it was with 56 seconds to go in the game, when PW decided to go with a offense/defense subs, taking out DeMarcus and putting in Dalembert. Cuz was really upset at this, prompting PW to approach him to explain what he was doing. DeMarcus blew him off with a hand gesture, turned his back to him, and walked to the end of the bench. JT (I believe) went to him and tried to calm him down, but Cuz was having none of it. I like the fire and the attitude is as advertised, but he also needs to control it. He went back to the game after and everything seemed fine, but it was still something I saw that slightly bothered me.
While young, I think a problem to watch for going forward, is that the two guys the franchise is counting on to take us back to the top (Reke and Cuz) still have some growing up to do. Not worried about it too much because that’s what happens when you’re young, but I truly believe that to be successful, the guys at the top need to be setting the example and be the hardest working players. I hope both of these guys get there. We’re barely in the introduction of the book so let’s hope for a good plot and conclusion.
Last ‘red flag,’ Omri. I didn’t see him not getting excited after Beno’s 3, because I was obviously watching the play but his body language was pretty bad all game. He sat in the bench all game with no expression and not very engaged in what was going on. During timeouts he would be the first one to get up but instead of waiting for his teammates, he walked straight to around the FT line and just stood there. He did this at least 3 times. I can understand being frustrated with not getting playing time, but this has to be about the team, Omri. Darnell, JT, Wright, and Donte have sat on the bench for a long time but you can always tell they’re engaged and rooting for their teammates. With Omri, it has always being (to me) about channeling the emotion and competitiveness into good things, last night we saw the not-so-good aspect of his persona.
Overall, I was happy with the team’s performance and hope we can build on this for next game. We’re slowly getting in a better spot as a team and let’s hope the results show sooner rather than later.
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by edm7 on Nov 20, 2010 10:06 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Thanks for sharing your insight
Obviously, with Reke changing his shoe and trying to deal with his foot problems, his trips to the rim have been more adventurous the last few games. But, currently he’s averaging about 1 attempt at the rim less then he did last season, but finishing at a higher percentage; 64.5%.
If he did work on finishing with his left hand, it hasn’t come easily for him because those right hand finishes from the left side are costing him points. And, it’s a lot of work getting to the rim, only to throw up a poor right handed attempt.
I wouldn’t read too much into Omri’s actions. He’s a young man who;s taken of the weight of his countries expectation of him. And, this was his first DNP, so I’m guessing that his mind was randomly elsewhere during the game. I’m going to gave all the young players a great deal of leaway especially with their emotions. And, I thought DeMarcus was at least a good as Dalembert in defending Lopez. And, only had 2 fouls, and supposedly it was foul trouble that kept him from finishing games. So, I can see why he might not want to be pulled from the game. Personally, I would have left him in and subbed Sammy for Landry. We did play Cuz & Sammy together before.
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He wants to be on the floor with the game on the line
and as HT said, was playing D as well as Dal I thought. No suprise he was upset, no surprise PW went wit the vet to get the win either. Casspi is one of the best 7-8 players on the team and got a DNP. He’s was upset. Worry about it when it’s a trend.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 21, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree on all counts with both of you guys
And ht, thanks for the stats on reke at the rim
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by edm7 on Nov 21, 2010 10:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think it's ridiculous
As noted, Casspi is one of your 7 or 8 best guys AND he’s a young player you’re trying to develop. For him to get a DNP-CD is ridiculous.
If good defense is now the baseline for getting minutes, it’s hard to explain Beno’s nearly 22 minutes of gametime.
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by otis29 on Nov 21, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I was surprised by Omri's DNP-CD, but I don't think it's ridiculous.
I know Westphal maybe goes a little overboard with his “messages”, but maybe Omri needed to be sent a message that his lack of focus on defense is going to keep him out of games, especially if his offense isn’t giving us enough to offset it. Maybe Coach told him before the game that he’d be on an short leash if he can’t keep from hurting the team on the defensive end, and Omri said something that was out-of-line. Who knows? In any case, I’m not really concerned about it at this point. As others have said here, I don’t think it shows that Omri is in the “doghouse” or anything. I think he’ll continue to get time as long as he’s helping the team.
As for Beno, I don’t think it’s really relevant. Beno is pretty much a veteran on this team, and his offensive efficiency and decision-making is crucial to this team. Beno’s defense is probably not ever going to get much better, and I really don’t think it’s an issue of effort or focus for him. Also, where would Beno’s minutes have gone, even if the Coach was concerned about the appearance of consistency in regards to defense dictating minutes?
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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 21, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Sure, it's ridiculous
Westphal’s history shows that either a) he tends to hold grudges against his players, or b) he can’t establish a consistent rotation. I’m not sure PW deserves the benefit of the doubt anymore when it comes to player rotations – I’d no more assume Casspi said something out of line than I would that Donte Greene suddenly got in shape overnight.
Here’s what I know so far – Omri Casspi is a very talented young player who gives maximum effort on the floor whenever he’s out there. And Paul Westphal is a coach who basically sticks his finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing before he creates a lineup.
Sorry, I’m going to have to give Casspi the benefit of the doubt here.
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by otis29 on Nov 21, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree Otis
though PW didnt seem as reactionary as usual during the win, I dont see why Omri/Donte are either starters or DNP-CD. That seems a bit silly and unrealistic.
Man, this should have been fanpost Ed! Rec'd
Where were you sitting to be able to see the reactions of the players so well?
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by kingsfan300 on Nov 20, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
I wasn't that close, but I like to pay attention to the bench during timeouts and such
I’m the guy that’s watching how many shots players make in a row during warmups, and tries to understand what the coach is drawing during timeouts. The fact that I was in the upper level but was clearly able to see the reactions I described will tell how clear they were.
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thanks for this stuff
Definitely some concerning stuff. It seemed to me that Cousins wasn’t especially excited after the game-winning shot.
by 8thInningWeirdness on Nov 20, 2010 10:27 PM PST reply actions
damnit, reply fail for me too
to the post above^
by 8thInningWeirdness on Nov 20, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
No clue about reactions after the winning shot by Beno
so you guys would have to fill me in on those.
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big red flags
To me, Beno wasn’t especially excited after his game-winning shot. Neither were the Maloofs. Or Kevin Johnson. Ominous, for sure.
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by Holmdel on Nov 21, 2010 10:01 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Good points.
I’m pretty sure when the shot was in the air, Westphal was trying to figure out if he could still take out Beno and put in JT at Point Guard.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 21, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
I know during the game
I was pissed at Head for not taking the shot, because I thought there would be a 24-second violation. After the fact, though, it was a great “heady” play.
"But the Kings went in another direction, and that’s today’s reality: a full rebuild, multiple coaching changes, 42 wins in two seasons and a 3-6 start this season. Meanwhile, Ron has a ring and is a key cog on the best team in the league, so I guess it worked out OK for him."
Landry
Isnt he going to be a UFA at seasons end? If so I would be working on an extention right now before he has a chance to test the market. I think the guy has all-star potential, keep in mind he has about 40 career starts?
I dont see Dalembert making it past the trade deadline this season. He is solid defensively but not dominant enough to resign long term with our front court depth and as people said I doubt he will resign anyways. I hope we can get something for him, but I can see a Petrie cap dump coming a mile away (Bibby, Miller, Salmons etc)
I really really think we missed the boat on Kirk Heinrich. I know GP didnt want to add Cap and is set on developing what we have. But the guy fills all our needs at the 1-2. Hes regarded as a very good perimeter defender. Hes intelligent and competitive and can knock down open outside shots.
Can't offer Landry an extension. It's against CBA rules, and, quite honestly, the Kings won't offer any "new" contracts that extend beyond the next CBA.
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