Jazz 94, Kings 83: The Amazing Shrinking Basket!
by Tom Ziller on Nov 23, 2010 6:58 AM PST
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PrintThe Kings suffered another defeat, this one a 94-83 loss in Utah that felt a lot more like 94-40. Sacramento's offense was again anemic, which really makes me believe Geoff Petrie does tarot, and drew the Ace of Terrible Shots Missing Badly when he made his puzzling comments about the Kings' scoring prowess a week ago. When Petrie said the Kings struggle on offense, the Kings had actually been halfway decent. Now, since the comments? The Kings cannot buy a bucket with cash, gold or plastic. They have tried it all, and none of it works.
Thus, another solid defensive effort goes wasted. Luther Head held Deron Williams to 12 points on 4-14 shooting, a third straight fantastic performance from Head in his third straight game starting alongside Tyreke Evans in the backcourt. But Head's offense did no better than Williams', with the King shooting 3-9. Evans was 3-12, taking a lot of out-of-control lay-up attempts and turning the ball over three times, again.
The Kings actually had a 22-20 lead at the first intermission. It all went to ash from there. Utah dominated the second quarter 25-14, and Sacramento didn't make a run of any import until the game was decided very late in the fourth. In the end, both teams underperformed on offense, but the Jazz limited turnovers and hit more shots.
The first quarter defense was jarringly good for the third game straight. Williams couldn't get by Head, Donte Greene and Samuel Dalembert protected the rim. It was wonderful. It didn't last when the bench entered. C.J. Miles lit up Francisco Garcia, and Utah's big men -- Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap -- were able to score on Jason Thompson and DeMarcus Cousins. The Jazz also took the opportunity to get out in transition and burn the Kings a few times to open up a small lead, one which would soon get out of hand.
It's hard to determine which of Evans or Cousins were more out of control early in the game. Cousins eventually loosened up and start hitting jumpers, and despite his perilous drives he drew a bunch of fouls and hit eight of the team's 20 free throws. The final line for him read 18 points on 5-13 shooting with nine rebounds and two turnovers, easily the best performance of any King. That he fought and fought in the hopeless fourth was reaffirming, and terrific.
But he still felt completely ... unsettled all game. His rough second quarter did as much to dig the Kings' hole as anything else. He has a long way to go.
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If you tried to count the number of possessions in which the Kings had a good idea but got a bad shot, you'd run out of fingers. Speed of initiating the offense wasn't the problem here, execution was. Head had a few runners that weren't close, Evans had some really wild attempts, and Greene's threes wouldn't fall. Carl Landry has a rough time in the paint, as did (surprise?) Jason Thompson.
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Head is doing his job; Tyreke, on the other hand ...
But Head’s offense did no better than Williams’, with the King shooting 3-9.
If Head plays defense like this consistently on the other team’s top threat, he doesn’t need to score much. But Tyreke is in the game to score and make things happen for other players, and he’s not getting it done.
Pick the excuse, be it injury or whatever, but the naked truth is the Kings are often a better team these days without Tyreke on the floor.
"But the Kings went in another direction, and that’s today’s reality: a full rebuild, multiple coaching changes, 42 wins in two seasons and a 3-6 start this season. Meanwhile, Ron has a ring and is a key cog on the best team in the league, so I guess it worked out OK for him."
Did you wake up and decide
I want to start the day off as wrong as I can be?
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
by ElRonToro on Nov 23, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
you’re a comedian. You got any bookings down at the punchline soon? you can run jokes like:
“The Kings are so bad, the rookie of the year is better on the bench” and
“NBA franchises are best when starting lineups are full of unsigned free agents”
I await other nuggets of your wisdom
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Nov 23, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
heck, technically he could be right
I haven’t been checking the recent +/- stats much. Either way though, I want him playing through it.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 23, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
This is the Kevin Durant 2nd year logic
He was the worst player on his team in terms of +/- during his 2nd year.
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It makes sence
If your the best player on a bad team, you’re going to have played the most minutes. This would most likely mean you would have the worst +/-, because you’re on the floor most of the time during these losses.
by elSAVinator on Nov 23, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
You beat me to this Aykis.
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actually i have
to agree on some level. we can all see that Reke is not controlling games or asserting his will/dominance as we all know he can. I got to go with Peaches on this one; maybe his ankle needs a week or two of rest to get his explosiveness back.
by gaindeyouth on Nov 23, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
With all due respect,
Pick the excuse, be it injury or whatever, but the naked truth is the Kings are often a better team these days without Tyreke on the floor.
This is like saying that you prefer rubbing the top of your head with a cheese grater versus chewing on tin foil. It is apparent that the Kings are struggling on offense, and not just when Evans is on the floor.
To state that Evans needs to play better for the KIngs to have a chance to win is accurate. To state that they would be better without Evans is not accuarate, in my opinion
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by section214 on Nov 23, 2010 7:42 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget section
Tyreke Evans is the new Kevin Martin. CCR ain’t happy unless he’s got a whipping boy.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Just stating the facts, ma'am
"But the Kings went in another direction, and that’s today’s reality: a full rebuild, multiple coaching changes, 42 wins in two seasons and a 3-6 start this season. Meanwhile, Ron has a ring and is a key cog on the best team in the league, so I guess it worked out OK for him."
So...fact boy
Is your long term solution to bench Evans or trade him?
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Long term, RonBoy, I think he'll be traded or resign with another team
It’s early, though. All I said was sometimes the Kings play better without him. I’m not sure why that is so hard to swallow. He’s only a second-year player and everybody, even the great Tyreke, has bad games.
The Kings won the only game he didn’t play in. I’m just of the opinion he’s not necessarily the saviour of the franchise as some here want to make him out to be. I’m not saying the team is better without him, but he may ultimately be a better fit somewhere else and maybe another player would fit here better. Time will tell.
I also think it’s unfair to mention Durant and Tyreke in the same sentence. Durant is a top 5 player; Tyreke is struggling to make and stay in the top 50. Considering he’s only a second-year player, that in and of itself is a great accomplishment, and there’s no doubt he can get better. I think folks he would be better off focusing on what he is and how hard he needs to work to get to that next level rather than anointing him as though he’s already there. He’s not by a longshot.
"Not new here and there is a core the believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones."
What you said was -
Pick the excuse, be it injury or whatever, but the naked truth is the Kings are often a better team these days without Tyreke on the floor.
I respectfully disagree – the Kings have not proven to be “often a better team these days without Tyreke on the floor.” I simply cannot find examples of “often.” Now, they won the first game without him. Does that contsitute “often?”
I am not disagreeing that Evans’ play has not been a disappointment, or that his play has contributed to the current woes. But where I draw that line is when you infer that they have “often” been better without him. It is simply not the case.
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So if I changed "often" to "sometimes"
You’d be cool with that?
"Not new here and there is a core the believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones."
by NewEraKings on Nov 23, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
How about
“more often than it snows in Heat Miser’s volcano” ?
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
by ElRonToro on Nov 23, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm Mister green christmas, I'm mister sun
I’m mister heat-blister, I’m mister hundred-and-one.
They call me Heat Miser, whatever I touch, starts to melt in my clutch
I’m too much
Rec’d
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 24, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
I'd be cool with once,
since they won the first game. Beyond that, you’d have to break down the games and time segments to get me to buy in, because I really don’t remember times where this team was better while Tyreke sat. To wit, recently there have been a couple of occasions where the Kings have built 1st quarter leads with the starters on the floor, only to see the bench squander those leads. There have been other times where the starters have dug a hole, and the bench has been more effective than the starting unit.
I would be in total agreement if your statement were along the lines that the Kings were playing poorly and that Evans has contributed to that, and that this team has no chance if he does not improve his play. However, I think that it is incorrect to project that they are often better without Evans – in fact, I think therein lies the true issue for this team. Because they lack another player within a zip code of Tyreke’s talent, it is virtually impossible to succeed – even in short bursts – without him.
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Succeeding without Tyreke
Because they lack another player within a zip code of Tyreke’s talent, it is virtually impossible to succeed – even in short bursts – without him.
That I don’t think is correct. I went to 82games.com and took a quick look at their five-man rotations, but I don’t know how many games that includes. Anyway, there were rotations that didn’t include Tyreke that were successful.
In the Hornets game, just as one example, Tyreke left the game in the second quarter for a little more than three minutes and the team down by 10, and when he returned they had cut the lead to 5 after a 10-5 run.
In the second half of that game, he was replaced by Head with about a minute left in the third quarter and the Kings down 60-54. He sat for eight minutes and didn’t reenter the game until slightly less than five minutes remained. The Kings were trailing 68-66 when he came back in, so they had cut a six-point lead to a two-point margin by outscoring the Hornets 12-8 while he was out.
Obviously, we can analyze other game segments and you’ll find the opposite effect. Without looking, I am sure that was the case in the second quarter against the Jazz.
Anyway, all I am saying is the Kings can be successful when Tyreke is not on the floor.
"Not new here and there is a core the believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones."
Fun Fact:
CCR would rather the kings start a backcourt of Beno and Head
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Nov 23, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
Facts
You say Tyreke is in the game to score. Tyreke is averaging 18.3 points per game, good enough to be top 35 in the NBA in scoring. It also means he leads the Kings in scoring per game, a full 4 points per game more than Carl Landry. Evans also leads the Kings in Assists per game (5.2) and Steals per game (1.8). Only Dalembert, Landry and Cousins collect more Rebounds per game.
I’m done with this nonsense.
Never forget, I'm an idiot.
chill out homie. nobody is attacking Reke. we just talking and feeling bad after a bad loss. we all agree that he is the cornerstone of the franchise. 18 points is fine. the real question is how many shots is it taking to get 18? its pretty plain to see that he is forcing it a lot (as is the whole team). his drives are not as under control or explosive as usual. and when you are the ROY and savior, you have to be the one who puts the team on your back and wills the team to a win. right now his shots are not bouncing . will they? we all know they will.
by gaindeyouth on Nov 23, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Actually
He was.
the naked truth is the Kings are often a better team these days without Tyreke on the floor.
He then followed that with:
Just stating the facts
So I stated some facts.
Never forget, I'm an idiot.
i re-read his statements that you re-posted and it didn’t seem so bad. was just a simple observation. As tight as they are playing right now, it is not surprising that the other players are deferring to Reke when he is on the floor and perhaps playing more freely when he is resting. it is not saying the the kings are better without him. often, when a team is suffering and you have a star of Reke’s caliber, the role players will defer more and more. if his ankles are hurting him as much as it is seeming like, perhaps a little rest (a week or so) would ultimately be the best for the team. That being said, props to Reke for being a warrior and playing through whatever pain he is dealing with.
Stats, and they're not necessarily pretty
Tyreke is
- 23rd in the NBA in minutes played per game: 36.7
BUT
- 13th in turnovers per game: 3.3.
- 34th in scoring per game: 18.2.
- 63rd in efficiency per game: 16.20.
- 85th in rebounding per game: 4.9
- 97th in FG%: .429
- 106th in FT%: .741
- 144th in blocks per game: 0.25
- 168th in Efficiency per 48 minutes: 21.16
He’s 24th in assists, but 22nd among point guards at 5.2 a game. He’s 13th in steals per game.
In Efficiency per 48 minutes, he’s eighth on the team behind Jeter, JT, Garcia, Cousins, Beno, Dalembert and Head.
Here, go choke on some more NBA stats and make your case.
"Not new here and there is a core the believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones."
Assists Per 48 Minutes
1. Rajon Rondo BOS 17.3
2. Chris Paul NOH 14.1
3. Jason Kidd DAL 13.5
4. Steve Nash PHX 13.1
5. Deron Williams UTA 12.2
6.* John Wall WAS 11.5
7. Jameer Nelson ORL 11.5
8. Jose Calderon TOR 11.2
9. Andre Miller POR 11.1
10. Russell Westbrook OKC 10.8
11. Tony Parker SAS 10.7
12. LeBron James MIA 10.6
13. Raymond Felton NYK 10.4
14, Devin Harris NJN 10.3
15. Derrick Rose CHI 10.3
16. D.J. Augustin CHA 9.7
17. Jrue Holiday PHI 9.7
18. Mike Conley MEM 9.3
19. Jordan Farmar NJN 9.1
20. Goran Dragic PHX 8.8
21. * Ish Smith HOU 8.7
22. * Armon Johnson POR 8.5
23. Ramon Sessions CLE 8.5
24. Sebastian Telfair MIN 8.3
25. T.J. Ford IND 8.3
26. Stephen Curry GSW 8.2
27. Earl Watson UTA 8.2
28. * Eric Bledsoe LAC 8.2
29. Jarrett Jack NOH-TOR 8
30. Ty Lawson DEN 8
31. Brandon Jennings MIL 7.9
32. Rodney Stuckey DET 7.9
33. Chris Duhon ORL 7.8
34. Jeff Teague ATL 7.8
35. Beno Udrih SAC 7.7
36. Kirk Hinrich WAS 7.3
37. Jose Juan Barea DAL 7.2
38. Eric Maynor OKC 7.2
39. Manu Ginobili SAS 7.1
40. Nate Robinson BOS 7
41. Chauncey Billups DEN 7
42. Kobe Bryant LAL 7
43. Jason Terry DAL 7
44. CJ Watson CHI 6.9
45. Joe Johnson ATL 6.8
46. Tyreke Evans SAC 6.8
"Not new here and there is a core the believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones. ... Go against the grain and have an opinion different then the rest of the good ole boy club and they come out swinging trying to dismantle you and your opinions… and not in a mature debate fashion either, like elementary school."
He's 60th
out of 81 players listed in Assists/Turnover Ratio.
"Not new here and there is a core the believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones. ... Go against the grain and have an opinion different then the rest of the good ole boy club and they come out swinging trying to dismantle you and your opinions… and not in a mature debate fashion either, like elementary school."
That's not what I said
To state that they would be better without Evans is not accurate, in my opinion
What I said:
Pick the excuse, be it injury or whatever, but the naked truth is the Kings are often a better team these days without Tyreke on the floor.
That’s not to say he shouldn’t play, but when the Kings are playing good ball and getting it done without him, don’t rush him back in and kill the buzz.
"But the Kings went in another direction, and that’s today’s reality: a full rebuild, multiple coaching changes, 42 wins in two seasons and a 3-6 start this season. Meanwhile, Ron has a ring and is a key cog on the best team in the league, so I guess it worked out OK for him."
Uhm
Yeah, that is what you said. What you said this time would probably garner some agreement, but it’s a significantly different statement (or I’m sure you’ll call it a clarification).
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Yep
Sometimes knuckleheads like you need clarification.
"But the Kings went in another direction, and that’s today’s reality: a full rebuild, multiple coaching changes, 42 wins in two seasons and a 3-6 start this season. Meanwhile, Ron has a ring and is a key cog on the best team in the league, so I guess it worked out OK for him."
What's this?
The wronger you get , the harder you defend?
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
You, on the other hand, apparently think he needs to sit a few games
Unless your comments below need a further “clarification.”
"But the Kings went in another direction, and that’s today’s reality: a full rebuild, multiple coaching changes, 42 wins in two seasons and a 3-6 start this season. Meanwhile, Ron has a ring and is a key cog on the best team in the league, so I guess it worked out OK for him."
I do
To get healthy. I still think the Kings are a better team with him on the floor, bad ankles or no bad ankles. But if he’s hurt, he should rest up.
Reading comprehension is your friend (though clearly not your strong suit).
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Reading this thread all I could think about was Derrick Rose last year
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 23, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions
Cripes...
Go against the grain and have an opinion different then the rest of the good ole boy club and they come out swinging trying to dismantle you and your opinions… and not in a mature debate fashion either, like elementary school… Especially if you talk about the ROY.
Face the fact people, the KINGS suck, and suck HARD right now… everyone on that roster and in that organization is fair game when it comes down to pointing out the flaws, including Reke. You can have a different opinion but when it goes south with calling people stupid or saying they need to have a comedy act, the only joker/fool is you…
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
by kromeace on Nov 23, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Having an opinion is fine
Its guys who state idiotic stuff, like Reke has purple legs, and then don’t back it up with info and defend it by saying its fact, or I’m right and you’re wrong, is what pisses most of us off.
( i will state that I did not do a poll and therefore can not say for a fact that it pisses MOST of us off). That is just an unsubstantiated my opinion. See the difference?
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Well to be fair
these guys have a history with eachother. But yes I still with your sentiment
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 23, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Too rough for you around here?
Sorry, man.
It cracks me up when there’s a reference to some “good old boys club” or cliques around here. Speaking for myself, I’m not sure there’s anyone here I haven’t had vehement disagreements with. And I’d guess that’s probably true for quite a few people here.
The only person who I really needle is CCR/NEK, and that’s because he’s trolling half the time and ignorant about 90% of the time.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
I think the "good ol boys" argument
is code for I’ve got no facts on my side but I still want to be right.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
I guess Good ol Boys fits you then...
defend it by saying its fact, or I’m right and you’re wrong, is what pisses most of us off.
Especially when you refer to yourself as “US”.
Not new here and there is a core the believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones. You see very little give and take on here from those individuals… hence why I prefer to read more then I post. By a large majority the things typed here would not be said to a stranger in a bar… or at least for not very long. Keyboard bravery marches on…
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
I disagree
By a large majority the things typed here would not be said to a stranger in a bar
I think comments like NEK’s are exactly the type of things you’d overhear at a bar. Drastic overreaction with little factual support.
There are some folks here who attack a person rather than an idea, but this community is open to disagreement. The community reacts negatively when an unpopular opinion has no basis in reality or fact. If you pose and idea, and somebody refutes it, you better be able to support your initial idea.
Never forget, I'm an idiot.
by Exhibit G on Nov 23, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I'm trying to find something in there that will allow me to call you an asshole, but I can't
Maybe next time.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
It's G
You don’t need permission to call him an asshole.
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Is there a specific comment of mine you disagreed with?
If so, make the counterpoint, but don’t throw out some BS like your vague “comments like NEK’s” above.
"But the Kings went in another direction, and that’s today’s reality: a full rebuild, multiple coaching changes, 42 wins in two seasons and a 3-6 start this season. Meanwhile, Ron has a ring and is a key cog on the best team in the league, so I guess it worked out OK for him."
what's funny
is that you know – exactly – which comment he’s referring to.
you take trolling to a new level sometimes.
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Nov 23, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
What team does NEK really like?
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Nov 24, 2010 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but he doesn't respond
with anything except personal attacks. That’s sad.
"Not new here and there is a core the believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones."
Well, since you asked
I believe that statement applies to many of your comments. In particular, right now I take issue with your comment that the Kings are better without Evans on the floor. And I made a counterpoint after your comment of “Just stating the facts, ma’am.” For my counterpoint, see my response to that comment, which I titled “Facts”. A counterpoint you’ve yet to respond to.
Never forget, I'm an idiot.
by Exhibit G on Nov 24, 2010 6:30 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Believe me, I'll get to it
But some of us have to work for a living.
But just remember for now, that your statement above …
I take issue with your comment that the Kings are better without Evans on the floor.
… isn’t what I said.
"Not new here and there is a core the believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones."
To be honest kromeace
I’ve seen you vehemently support your own opinion, as you should. Just as anyone here should. You’re as much a bulldog on what you believe as I am, or as ElRonToro is.
Sounds like you’re more upset at the lack of popular support for the things you post?
It’s kind of silly for you to take a disagreement between me and NEK and somehow extrapolate that to the general behavior of the site. We’ve been doing this since long before you came around, and will be doing it long after you’re gone.
Most likely, he’ll be doing it with a new screen name though. :)
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
OK...
I’ll go take my cookies and milk and sit in the corner again… and stay out of fights where I did not know about bad blood n crap :)
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
Haha, ya you definitely are getting between old battle lines here
have you noticed how pretty much everyone else just ignores it at this point?
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 23, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
Changing my name to Switzerland!
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
by kromeace on Nov 23, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
NEK and I need to spice it up a bit
I didn’t realize our ratings were going down the toilet!
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Oh, thats definitely not what I meant
we all still love to watch, but stay far away from the artillery shots
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 23, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Don't do that!
Find your own NEK, that’s what I say. Or call Pookey an asshole, that’s always entertaining for the rest of us.
/StR training commences
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
BTW
The subject of the sentence Guys ((who say idiotic stuff) and the dont back it …up) would be the “them” , the us would be those that back it up with fact (and for the record, I am more of the former than the latter). Inferring that the Us was ‘the good ol’ boys" is an example of a myopic view point.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
You nailed it.
Not new here and there is a core the believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones.
Absolutely nailed it. Enough said. Good work, and don’t be afraid to call a spade a spade around here.
"But the Kings went in another direction, and that’s today’s reality: a full rebuild, multiple coaching changes, 42 wins in two seasons and a 3-6 start this season. Meanwhile, Ron has a ring and is a key cog on the best team in the league, so I guess it worked out OK for him."
Do you know the handshake?
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Secret handshake
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by section214 on Nov 23, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll give you a clue , for 214 and me
its more a tremor than a handshake
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
You new to forums?
There’s always a good ole boy’s club so tread lightly. If you post something idiotic or non factual be prepared for the backlash. That’s just the way it is. Get used to it.
Do you know who coolcat is?
and if you don’t, then you don’t really know the whole story.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 23, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Don't know who they are, the name sounds cool though...
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
Rec'd for hating to chew tin foil.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Nov 23, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
As good as Head was on defense, I thought he was a detriment on offense
He forces too much, and he’s just not very skilled. I’d like to see him bring the ball up the court and just take what the defense gives him. Let the more skilled players make the aggressive plays on offense.
by Charlieb on Nov 23, 2010 7:46 AM PST via mobile reply actions
He's only averaging 5.5 shots taken
in the games where he has played 20 minutes or more, and he’s shooting over 50% for the season. I agree that he is not the answer on offense, but I don’t think that he’s the problem. As NEK stated above, much of that rests on the shoulders of Evans, especially if Udrih’s offensive skill set is being sacrificed for Head’s defense.
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by section214 on Nov 23, 2010 7:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Neither are moving the ball well right now
You now it’s not happenng consistantly enough when you suddenly sit up on your coach and yel “now THAT was good ball movement!”
Too much iso offense. When DMC (or anyone else) had the ball he often had no real option but to try and make a play as no one cut or moved to offer an option.
No one is moving around well without the ball. Is it the offensive scheme? Do we have one?
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by lietothegirls on Nov 23, 2010 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
I vote no on offensive scheme
I see no motion, no back cuts, no screens away from the ball, no nothing. Just Iso. If there is any reason to start the PW countdown, this would be it.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
That's not completely fair
I see at least two back cuts or so a game. As far as screens, there are a number of weak attempts at setting them going on.
:-(
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by lietothegirls on Nov 23, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
There is an offensive scheme and there are screens set.
The offensive scheme is to get the ball to Landry & Cuz or let Reke keep it, and then let them go one on one in iso. Pretty bland and perdictable but it is a scheme.
What would improve it would be once we get the ball to one of our scorers, is to give them some help in the way of back picks and screens.
As far a weak screens, the problem isn’t with the players setting the screens, it’s with the ball handler. All the screener has to do is stand still, it’s up to the ball handler to drive close enough to the screener to shed his man. That’s not happening. And, most times the ball handler doesn’t even wait for the screener to get set.
So, you see guys like JT getting called for illegal screens, because the ball handler doesn’t allow them to set, or they move off to soon. so, the screener figures if he’s not being used to set a screen he might as well get back and ends up impeding the defender and getting called for a illegal.
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by HighTops on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Even the jazz announcers spoke about that last nite
That we make one entry pass then that player goes one on one.
It is shocking really.
by MichaelMack on Nov 23, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
It's very noticeable when you watch most other NBA offenses
Not only how quickly they get into their sets, but how their initial passes appear to have purpose.
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The only thing I ever see run is the high pick and roll
Cousins never rolls, and Dalembert we don’t care what he does because we aren’t going to pass to him anyway. I guess the only way pick and rolls work is if the one of the 2 can hit a 16 footer, and in our starting offense that may only be Landry.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Cousins never rolls
I think that’s one of the most frustrating things to watch. The play is there to be made. It’s lack of recognition from both the player with the ball and Cousins. But I don’t think Evans knows how to make that simple bounce pass yet, unless it’s an alley oop.
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by kingsfan300 on Nov 23, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Agree
and it should be an automatic, if your defender stays or shows, you roll. If he steps back you pop.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
I remember when the Knigs ran the Princeton offense
Coachie must be rolling over in his …. sleep.
by betweentheeyes on Nov 23, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
The prettiest and funnest offense to watch, ever!
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Honestly it's because Evans isn't a true PG
I know everyone on this site gets mad when this is brought up, but I don’t think its a bad thing. Evans is a scorer, bottom line. He gets 5 asst a game because he has the ball in his hands most of the time. We desperately need a PG that knows how to run a team. I agree with Jerry Reynolds that Tyreke is a lead guard, but I think that is just of way of dancing around the question of whether Tyreke is a PG or not. A PG’s second option should be scoring and I clearly want scoring to be Tyreke’s 1st option. If we brought in a PG we could let Tyreke play to his strength, and not try to make him something he is not.
by elSAVinator on Nov 23, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Wait,
So are we saying we SHOULD have taken Rubio. What sweet vindication that would be. Not really. But it’s funny that we passed on Rubio and traded K-Mart and now we are saying we need a true PG and a sweet shooting guard.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
the 'people' wanted defense and rebounding
and that’s what we got now
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Nov 23, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
Easy buddy
I would not trade, or get rid of Tyreke in a million years. I simply said he is playing out of position and would be best paired with a true PG, so he can play to his strength, scoring. I didn’t mention drafting Rubio, nor did I say we needed a “sweet shooting guard”, which I have no idea what that even means. Don’t be an idiot.
An idiot?
Say what? You don’t know what a sweet shooting guard is and “I” am the idiot. First of all, SAV, I didn’t say you wanted to get rid of Tyreke. I’m pointing out irony. That we drafted Tyreke because we needed a point guard and it turns out he “may” not be one. And that most people feel that we need a pure outside shooter and we traded away the one we had. Irony, if you don’t know what it is look it up and don’t call other people idiots until you’re sure you aren’t one yourself.
Just like Mookie says, we wanted D and rebounding, and that’s exactly what we got. No we are complaining about not having something else that we could have had.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
Just to clarify even more
because it looks like you weren’t actually a member of the blog at the time, there was a big debate about whether we should draft Rubio or Evans. The pro-Rubio group, myself included felt that Evans was not a true point guard, and we already had a great shooting guard in Speed. Saying that Evans was not a PG became a bit of a running joke. Is Rubio all he was hyped to be? We won’t know until he actually comes to the NBA, but he appeared to be the most pure PG in the draft. That’s why I said vindication would be sweet.
After the dust has cleared, I’m not thrilled with Evans’ play-making and I’m still not sure I want him running the Kings. But I’m not ready to give up on him yet, since he creates such great mismatches against other point guards. If he can learn to make better decisions at the point (and there’s still plenty of time for him to learn) it gives us tons of flexibility to put a pure outside shooter at the two. If he can’t, we’ll be back looking for someone exactly like Rubio that can get us into our offense quickly and average 7-10 assists a game.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
Well since you pressed reply to my comment
Make sure you’re replying to my comment. All I have seen on this site recently is that we take to long to get into our plays, we have no ball movement, and that Tyreke doesn’t always make the right play with the ball in his hands. That all boils down to one thing, we need a real PG. I have defended the new lineup, and love that defense and rebounding it brings. PW is putting the best lineup out there that he can. My problem is the personnel we have on the roster. We need a PG that can get the ball to people when and where they need it.
by elSAVinator on Nov 23, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Fair enough
That’s I said are “we” saying, and not are “you” saying. I was replying not just to your comment but the thread as a whole. And like I said, I didn’t realize you weren’t hear for the “great Rubio Evans debate.” No hard feelings.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
I wanted Thabeet during that draft
egg on my face
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Nov 23, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
:)
One day he will be a star and you and LTTG will be the rulers of STR.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
I wanted Thabeet at one time too.
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Yeah,
But you’re just an idiot!
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
Indeed. :)
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No worries
We all get cranky when the Kings suck. (LPA, my wife, is a case in point) Win a couple of games and we’ll all be drinking buddies again. :)
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
And you might be right on both counts
There’s a distinct possibility that I am an idiot.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
We'll all be drinking buddies?
What are you going to drink, the Great Salt Lake?
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Hey
I can down Diet Cokes with the best of them. Still undecided on whether or not I need to repent for the caffeine afterward.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
Repent. Always err on the side of caution.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It is easier to repent
Than to ask permission.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
It's been a tough couple years for you and me
Kings, A’s, and Raiders…I feel your pain!! At least the Raiders and A’s are looking up
Yep
At one point this season the A’s, Raiders, and Kings were all at .500 or better. It was brief, but nice. I wish GP seemed to try as hard as BB to get quality players in trade or free agency.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
Fair enough.
But at least you’re not a cynic and an atheist.
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I'm still undecided if I had to repent
after drinking 3 Rockstars the night I had to watch the temple grounds during construction from 10pm-4am.
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by caseycheesecake on Nov 24, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions
which temple grounds?
color me curious
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Nov 24, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
I'm a Monster man myself.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
He is not very aggresive at all though
he is doing what you are suggesting
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 23, 2010 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
No Chemistry – no energy – not having fun. These young guys don’t look anything like they should regardless of their record. Tyreke continues to have no sense of urgency in his game other than to run half the clock looking to go 1 on 5 and his defense especially in help mode in pathetic. Spreading out a weak shooting team on the three point line so they can stand around and watch Tyreke is not an offense. Eventually it degenerates to no time on the clock and 1 on 1 with players who as a group really can’t create their own shot. This is not an offense. I think this team needs to make better use its height and go inside more in the half court set and then “push” the ball at every opportunity in transition – rather than walk it up every time. Creating a system thats fun for young players always jumps the energy and results.
No Chemistry – no energy – not having fun
I agree. The only glimmer of hope I see in that aspect is the relationship that Tyreke and Donte have on the court. I think JT falls into that category as well, but he doesn’t get a lot of burn. If you notice, Donte is one of the few people that Tyreke is actually looking for on a fast break.
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by tomroadrunner on Nov 23, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
Young guys playing slow down
never have any fun
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
its like
we’re the 2010 incarnation of the Mike Fratello Cavaliers.
yuk
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Nov 23, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
IMHO there is just no offensive game planning
It just looks like a bunch of young players going one-on-one every time. I liked what I saw from the guards by getting the ball down low more often but even that turns into a one-on-one situation with Landry or Cousins just hoisting up a jumper after jab-stepping. Thats not a terrible game plan because they are good shooters but I would love to see some movement and crisp passing to guys cutting into the lane like we used to with C-Webb and Vlade. And no guards, Evans, Head, Garcia or Beno ever look for the cutter off the pick and roll. JT was breaking to the basket hard late in the game off the pick and no one even looked at him. I understand this a young team but PW needs to integrate some plays to get this stagnant offense moving.
Defensive emphasis
The focus on defense sounds good, but we don’t have the skill set to be a defensive team. Our best defensive players (Head, Dalembert, Greene) are limited offensively and not so much better defensively than the people in front of whom they are playing. (I should add that Donte is better offensively than the other two mentioned above.) Head should not be starting in front of Beno. Donte should not be starting in front of Omri. I might still stick with Dalembert until Cousins realizes he is a slightly above average rookie and not The Answer. Our offense is starting out stagnant and then we start missing shots and turning the ball over, which leads to easy buckets for the opponents. At some point, PW is going to recognize he dosen’t have the tools to pretend the Kings are the late 80’s/early 90’s Pistons, and he will start going with his best offensive squad. The best (not the only) chance this team has is to hope to outscore its opponents. Even then, given this is a 30 win team, we probably shouldn’t expect that too often either. But we are better off going with our actual strengths. Pretending that we are going to be a defensive team is silly as should be apparent to anybody familiar with this roster.
I'm sorry, but the facts don't seem to be on your side here.
…are limited offensively and not so much better defensively than the people in front of whom they’re playing.
Pretending that we are going to be a defensive team is silly as should be apparent to anybody familiar with this roster.
The past 3 games, since the starting lineup was changed, has seen this team playing the best defense from a Kings team in years, especially when you focus on the defense played by that current starting unit. I don’t have any advanced stats or anything to definitively prove that, but my eyes have been seeing effort, chemistry, and focus, and I know I’m not alone. The defense of the current starting lineup/rotation is light years ahead of what we’ve been rolling with most of the year.
The offense, clearly, has been Godawful. Could we mix in a little more Omri to help the O without badly hurting the D? Maybe. Probably? I don’t know. But I’m much happier seeing our guys really start to figure things out on defense right now, even if they, for whatever reason, have completely lost the ability to score. I honestly think that’s an easier fix.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 23, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Fair enough.
It’s a reasonable opinion. I just disagree. The offense has been absolutely terrible since the “defensive emphasis.” A loss is a loss is a loss. This team has weapons better equiped to outscoring an opponent than shutting an opponent down. That’s just not going to happen over the course of an entire game.
Forget about wins & losses, and just look for improvement.
After watching his team in preseason and through the first 7 games of the regular season, I saw absolutely no improvement over last season. Then out of the blue we become one of the better defensive teams (at least our starters). And, to me that’s progress.
I’ll be happy if they can continue that level of defense, and start to work on the defense of the reserves. If the offense starts to improve over the next 10-15 games, this is going to be a dangerous team and one that can win a lot of games.
To hope that with the youth on our team that both the offense and defense would start to jell simultaneously, is beyond realistic expectations. Evans has shown improved interior passing and a short and mid range jumper. And, Cousins is showing an inside and outside game and a great FT stroke along with the ability to draw fouls. When Evans, Cousins & Landry begin to blend these skills consistently, these early struggles will all be forgotten.
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by HighTops on Nov 23, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Just my humble opinion
But I’m really curious whether Tyreke just needs a few games off, due to the injuries. He’s missing a ton of layups that he seemed to make with regularity last season – even the difficult ones.
That tells me he’s still having trouble getting the elevation he normally has – I doubt he’s suddenly forgot how to make a layup.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
I wouldn't be unhappy if he took a rest for a game or two
Against the Clippers we could be fine without him, and that would give him a solid 5 days off.
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My question is
should we let him rest in games like the Clippers where a win is possible, or during games against an elite team, where at this point are basically already losses in the book?
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 23, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
If it were up to me
I’d sit him against the Clips and the Bulls, have him be fresh for Tuesday against the Pacers. That’s a solid week of rest.
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Sounds like a good plan to me.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 23, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
When ankle is really busted
a player looks like he is dragging his leg. Tyreke is not doing that. Did you see the play he tried to block the shot and fell? He got up. The reason he is missing so many layups is because there is a ton of congestion around the rim and he can’t get a clean look. Sammy Ds man can camp under the rim. Out other bigs don’t pull away their defenders or set screens. Tyreke can beat his man all he wants but more often than not another defender is waiting for him. And the ‘open’ big man is rarely found.
Thats not injury, thats bad offense.
This quote by Beno the Draino was pretty strong and telling and sums up what probably a lot of players are feeling about our offense:
This is draining us, a visibly upset Beno Udrih said afterward while tossing his belongings into a bag.
We get nothing off pick and rolls. We don’t set screens to free cutters. We get nothing easy. Basically, everything is one-on-one, and there is too much standing around.
It’s like, Keep working. Keep working hard in practice,but you can’t keep going and going and not make some adjustments.
I predict JT puts up 7 and 5 this year - Aug '10. (Current: 6.0 Pts 5 Rebs)
by bench_blob on Nov 23, 2010 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Beno assessment is spot on
One on one is Tyreke’s game. Until he improves and realizes he can’t go 1 on 5 this team will continue playing playground basketball with a bunch of dribbling and not enough passing and ball movement.
NOBODY
is moving without the ball (except to recieve another dribble opportunity) no one is (as Beno said) cutting or moving with a purpose to get a clean shot. It doesn’t matter who has the ball right now.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Nov 23, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
It gets tiresome to cut to an open spot when your man doubles off you and never getting the ball
Eventually you stop bothering and just get ready to run back on defense
by lchristmas on Nov 23, 2010 9:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
That is a bad attitude
…and that is probably what gets on my nerves more than anything. It is just selfish to think and act that way.
Cutting is not just about getting the ball. It is about forcing the defense to react, moving defensive players and creating opportunities for your teammates.
Totally agree
it creates a vicious cycle, they get frustrated so they stop running, then get frustrated that nobody is moving, so then they give up even more, then get mad that everyone gave up, etc, etc…
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 23, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
The defense does not need to react to your cuts
Once they realize there is no pass forthcoming
Which does not take long to figure out scouting this team
You really blame the player who gets frustrated more than the one who refuses to move the ball? Not me.
by lchristmas on Nov 23, 2010 10:58 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
No professional defense
is going to just assume there is no pass coming, you are assuming that the rest of the league is as lazy as we are. And we aren’t avoiding blaming the person with the ball, at least I’m not. The person holding onto the ball, and the person who is just standing around are both equally to blame.
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 23, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
If the question is
“Should the person with the ball be better at hitting the cutter?”, then the answer is probably “Yes”.
If the question is “Should the player who is supposed to cut do so given that the player with the ball will probably not pass?”, then the answer to that is always “Yes” too.
So who is to blame when the players who are supposed to be moving are not moving? It is the players who are supposed to be moving. Not cutting because you will probably not receive a pass, is like saying if I don’t get to score, no one else does either.
The first few times
They are equally to blame. It then comes down to coaching to tell the guy to pass the g d ball. After a while its human nature to quit doing what you are supposed to do with no reward or result. I place the bulk of the blame on the guys who don’t pass.
And the other teams figuring Out that we aren’t going to pass, and cheating towards the man with the ball, and not worrying about cutters or a man popping out for a j off a double teamed dribble driver, is not lazy. Its good scouting and preparation, and every time you see our young superstar with 3-4 guys around him, is evidence that they’ve figured it out.
by lchristmas on Nov 23, 2010 12:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I do not understand that logic
Even though a lot of plyers make it look easy, it is a difficult pass to make when the defense reacts. I guarantee if the defense does not react, any NBA player will find a wide open teammate under the basket.
Its difficult to impossible
If you aren’t thinking about it first and are looking only down at the ball and up at the rim
by lchristmas on Nov 23, 2010 12:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Pack your bags beno
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by lchristmas on Nov 23, 2010 9:17 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I disagree
I’ve been dealing with bad ankles my whole life. With some ankle issues, you can still get up and down the court, but it’s going to affect your lift.
And there’s no more congestion around the basket now than he saw regularly in the last few months of last season.
Beno upset? Shocking. And he’s probably upset at everyone but himself.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
I agree Tyrekes lift is not a 100%
But his defense looked pretty decent recently; lateral mobility goes when your ankles are really messed up. Hopefully he feels better but he’s not seriously hampered.
I predict JT puts up 7 and 5 this year - Aug '10. (Current: 6.0 Pts 5 Rebs)
Beno is absolutely correct
He is a very effective player on a team that actually passes, cuts and runs plays. It isn’t his fault we don’t do that. And I have seen him many times getting plenty upset with himself. His talents are being wasted and the team sucks. I don’t blame him a bit for speaking up.
by lchristmas on Nov 23, 2010 9:40 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry
I’m going to hold Beno’s history of finger-pointing against him in this instance. Maybe he’s right, but he’s also part of the problem.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
I'm not too sure Beno is part of the problem
Have you noticed just about every time Beno begins a play at the top he’s struggling to get players to move like he wants?
Usually with you
but not on this. Beno is spot on regardless of whether he has bitched way too much in the past. The team’s offense is terrible and Evans may have actually regressed from his rookie season. His shot is awful. He pounds the ball way too much wasting far too much of the shot clock. And then he goes 1 on 5. It’s like watching Iverson without the scoring punch. This team needs to move the ball from side-to-side and work patiently for the best shot. They are not doing that. They don’t trust each other either offensively or defensively.
by Kusian on Nov 23, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Looking back
And there’s no more congestion around the basket now than he saw regularly in the last few months of last season.
During the last two months of the season in which Reke played (he missed a five games in which the team went 1-5), he was averaging 19.4 pts, 6.4 assists, and 6.4 rebounds, 3.3 TO’s with a 43 FG %. It’s similar to what he’s averaging so far this season.
When subtracting the games he missed, taking into account the games he played and the congestion he was meeting around the basket, the team went 4-14. The team struggled in finishing that season.
I think he’s still learning how to deal with the congestion and how to get shots for his new teammates. But he needs to start taking more responsibility with the offense, telling people where they need to be, tell the post players to get better position, making better decisions, etc.
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by kingsfan300 on Nov 23, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Visually
It appears to me that he’s missing layups that he made regularly last season (I almost said “routinely”, but there’s really nothing routine about many of his layups).
I certainly agree with your last paragraph.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Well, Beno does kinda have a point
Ya, he isn’t without blame, but his blame comes more from his ability. At least he is still trying, that is more than anyone else can say. He gets killed on D but at least tries, on offense he tries to call plays, but what is the point when nobody else knows how to run plays.
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 23, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
You guys are probably all correct
I’m having trouble getting past the messenger, is all. I’ve seen enough of Beno’s on court facial gestures that make me think he’s still more interested in blame than solutions.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
I agree that playing the blame game is not the answer
and I’ve been seeing these same facial gestures from Tyreke as well, (Like last night when Beno told him to throw the ball in, he was maaaaaadddd). Instead of assigning blame, everyone needs to go into practice and say, “Hey lets all start over, I feel like we got off to a bad start, my name is insert Kings player and I am a team player. LETS GO!”
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 23, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree with this
I think this team had higher expectations of themselves and there’s some frustration. They need to get that “us against the world” attitude.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
There may be some truth to what you are saying
But I think you also have to respect to Beno’s point of view too, at least a little. He was witness first hand to two Spurs championship, not as a participant so much but as bench player early in his career. He knows the difference between the right way and the wrong way to play team basketball more so than his teammates, and possibly coaches. We saw the difference in Beno’s game once Theus was ousted. His criticisms at that time turned out to be valid, so he is not without credibility.
I predict JT puts up 7 and 5 this year - Aug '10. (Current: 6.0 Pts 5 Rebs)
I agree
What I think what is a the core of Beno’s frustration is that he has a very high basketball IQ, but no outlet to demonstrate it, aside from his physical limitations holding him back as well.
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 23, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
not sure if Beno is necessarily talking about the same thing as you are with the Beno quote
technically you both might be right. Either way though I wouldn’t exactly be shocked if most of the team is thinking the same way as Beno there.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 23, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
This team
needs a pure shooter. I know everyone’s thought that since preseason, but the more I watch this team, the more I see it.
Many offensive problems
Why does Cousins hate taking 12 foot jumpers? Every time he gets the ball he’d rather challenge a double team in the paint then take an open medium range jumper.
Donte needs to quit shooting so many threes. He not making any.
Dalembert can’t make anything. Talk about the shrinking basket! It’s like those carnival rims where it’s impossible for the ball to go through.
The Kings have the third worst FG% in the league and plummeting.
i'd like to see
donte’s 3 pt % when his feet are set vs when he takes jump shots. guy must shoot 10-15% better in the half court when his feet are set and he isn’t on the move yet he continues to get the ball in transition and jack up 3s with no success.
The mid-range game
The mid-range jumper is an important tool to keep defenses honest. That being said, I’m happy that Cousins doesn’t settle for that shot. I want him taking the ball to the hoop. Mid-range shots are ineffective overall, and they are left open for a reason.
Never forget, I'm an idiot.
You are happy with Cousins turning down open 12 footers?
and attempting some crazy ass spin move against three defenders?
Why is it people just have to post a dissenting point of view no matter how ludicrous just so they can have something to disagree about?
Midrange shots are ineffective? Where are you getting this stuff?
It's the most inefficient shot in the NBA
And he’s better in the post. I agree that he shouldn’t be making a crazy spin move into three defenders; he should be parking himself into the low post, rather than being content in receiving it high.
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by kingsfan300 on Nov 23, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Well said
It would be ideal if he received the pass already in the post.
But yes, KingsFan, I want Cousins passing on 12-footers. As kingsfan300 pointed out, it is statistically the most inefficient shot in the NBA. Add to that the fact that Cousins is not particularly skilled from mid-range. He shoots 80% at the rim, but only 25% from 10-15 feet. Check out HoopData, tons of great information.
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If Cuz and Carl didn't receive the entry pass high, they'd never see the ball.
Our guards usually give up the dribble before they cross the 3 pt arc. And, the first pass usually is to a big at the top of the key or to a wing in the corner. Then the ball gets passed around for no reason until it gets back to one of the guards, Or it gets passed to one of the bigs after they come out and get it.
We have no play that gets the ball to Cousins in the low block, or Carl for that matter.
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Agreed.
How is a shot that is worth as much as any shot inside of the three point line (layups aside) innately inefficient? That is gibberish.
The efficient shot is the one that goes in. I agree that the three point shot has eliminated the intermediate game (wrongly) from basketball. The truth is that there are very efficient players that have GREAT intermediate games.
maybe we should send Beno down the Draino
he’s terrible
If I was in a room with Bin Laden, Hitler, and Robert Horry and I had a gun with two bullets...I'd shoot Robert Horry twice
that's a silly statement
Beno is our best ball mover and our best outside shooter. (Garcia may be shooting a higher percentage now, but Beno will by the season’s end.) I’ll admit , though, that his defense is very suspect .
yikes
Beno is our best ball mover and our best outside shooter.
This statement rings true and makes me cringe at the same time.
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Nov 23, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed.
I think there is a serious identity crisis on this team. I really like an offensively aggressive Beno. I think we don’t see it much as the team is deferring far too much to Evans. We are mirroring his struggles as the franchise has emphasized his ‘alpha’ status at every opportunity. I’m NOT saying this is Evans fault, but we spent all last year using EVERY opportunity to put his face on our label – now when he struggles we don’t seem to have much to fall back on. It may be hard to put the genie back in the bottle, but Evans needs to fit within a concept, the team shouldn’t have to adapt to Evans.
It has been bizarre to watch the team look so lost without a responsibly aggressive Evans.
Beno in not our best outside shooter,
he is the best shooter off the dribble. And, he may be the only good shooter off the dribble.
By the end of the year Beno may have the highest shooting percentage but it will be from mid range mostly.
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The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
And he tries his darndest.
Plus, when he pulls out the Yeti, everyone is happy.
There can only be one Noce!
If we dumped everyone who was terrible on the team right now
we wouldn’t have a team
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 23, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
Well we'd have Luther Head and that's about it.
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Luther could've been 0-15 the last three games
and I still would’ve been lauding his defense. He essentially shut down the top two point guards in the league, and another pretty damn good one in Devin Harris. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Kings player do that since Doug.
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really pulling for him
I like him pairing with Reke out there. I know the offense gets bogged down with Tyreke but heck if he is going to handle it every time anyway might as well let him handle it. Not like we are going to the playoffs anyway.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 23, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
I like Luther with Reke also, but only if Reke improves his playmaking.
every drive into the paint doesn’t require some below the rim shot. Or some ill conceived pass while your in the air.
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Hence the conundrum Kus.
Yuo can play D and you can play O but this team just doesn’t have the talent to do both consistently. This is what you need to win in the NBA.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Probably the best summary of this years Kings I've seen
We have the talent to play pretty solid D or score, but we don’t seem to have the personnel to do both. That’s why I’m not so down on PW. He has coached both high-scoring offenses and shut down defenses with the same team in the same year. But not at the same time.
recd
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
The only guys on our team that I think can play on both ends of the court
in my opinion are Tyreke, Omri, and Donté. But they’re a combination of inexperienced/hurt (Tyreke’s case). Cisco I guess is another one but consistency has been his problem.
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You're being very kind to include Omri.
Very very very very very kind.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And for that matter....
…you’re being kind to include Donte as well.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yep, and double yep.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
I'm not saying they are playing on both ends of the court
I just think they can be eventually.
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Oh the potential argument. Gotta always love potential.
Potential is way awesome than production after all.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If we're going on production
The Kings have nobody that can play on both ends of the court consistently right now.
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Yup
This team looks like it needs a trade to do just that. But I think everyone will get a better feel for the team by the end of December and decide how bad it needs one.
"You can have the knowledge that a tomato is a fruit, but it takes wisdom not to put it in a fruit salad." Jerry Reynolds
get some help
I have been saying this for weeks now.we can not shoot the 3 ball so trade someone geoff petrie and get a shooter.also maybe a coach that knows how to rotate players.
by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Nov 23, 2010 9:10 AM PST reply actions
maybe we can trade Landry for Martin
….I jest, but I do think it’s funny that the large gaping hole in our offense is a good three point shooter who can score without dominating the ball….didn’t we have one of those????
Granted he played less D than Beno and Landry was an upgrade at a need position but I was, and am still, a SpeedRacer fan and I can’t help but bring him up when I hear people complaining that what we need is a shooter…. We had one, but we chose a small big man over him.
"every once in a while a kernel of truth...uhh... corn is revealed in my usual pile of poop" - betweentheeyes
A small big man
Who we don’t use properly more than about 30% of the time anyway
by lchristmas on Nov 23, 2010 9:36 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
exactly
For about 3 games there I thought we had figured him out, or he had figured it out, but now we’re back to using the wrong figures again….very frustrating.
"every once in a while a kernel of truth...uhh... corn is revealed in my usual pile of poop" - betweentheeyes
as good as he is offensively, he is still allergic to defensive rebounds, which is why he is not a starter.
by MichaelMack on Nov 23, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
If you aren't going to give him the ball on the block
He shouldn’t be in the game
by lchristmas on Nov 23, 2010 11:12 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I hope we at least beat the clippers?
I mean they are 1-12 we are 4-8.wow that looks bad when you see these numbers,we are awful…..
by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Nov 23, 2010 9:17 AM PST reply actions
I wouldn't bet on it
The Clips have played the 7th toughest schedule in the NBA, and the Kings schedule is rated 29th.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
2-12
beat the Hornets last night
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 23, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
Even if we lose to them,
at least we’ll se a few breathtaking dunks by Griffin.
That one over Timofey Mozgov the other day made me wet myself.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Nov 23, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
strangest blowjob I've ever seen on the internet
not that I’ve been looking much, of course
Dunking Dutchman
by RikSmits on Nov 23, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
if this is the strangest you've seen on the internet
then I believe you, you haven’t been looking much
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 23, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Had to cover my ass
The mrs. was hovering right behind me.
Imagine Griffin posterizing Head like that…
Dunking Dutchman
But we could easily have been 9-4 this year
if we were another team.
This.
by elfboy_ on Nov 23, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If I was elfboy......
…..I could make Mrs Claus my baby mama. Just sayin….
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I'm actually happy with the core of the roster
What we really need is a wing defender(Donte Greene) that can spread the floor(Cisco) coupled with a PG that can stop the other teams 1’s(Head) but that can run an offense and spread the floor(Beno)
The 2, 4 and 5 will sort itself out, particularly the 2 and 4(Tyreke and Landry) if we took care of the shooting and defensive issues that are at the 3.
Right now, one aspect enters and the other aspect flees. We need players that bring it on BOTH ends of the floor.
I actually want to see what a line-up of:
C: Dalembert
PF: Landry
SF: Greene
SG: Evans
PG: Beno
has to offer us.
Actually I feel like the current line-up is getting it done
the only problem now is that our bench is glaringly awful. What I’ve been noticing is we start the 1st very well (starters) but then the bench comes in and blows it, then by the time the starting lineup is back in full force for the 3rd we are already playing major catchup and allowed someone to catch crazy fire. The fourth is just garbage time
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 23, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
I know the Kings got whipped pretty good
But I thought there were still some positives to take out of the game – unfortunately, they were all first half positives.
The starting 5 came out with great defensive energy once again. PW seems to have found a group that is cohesive from a team defensive perspective. And while I’m still somewhat of the opinion that Luther Head is mostly smoke and mirrors right now, I’m getting closer to being converted. He’s done a great job defensively on two of the best point guards in the league the last two games.
It was also nice to see Casspi get some run. As long as he’s one of your eight or nine best players (and still so young), it’s important that he gets court time to continue to develop.
Let’s face it, that’s a bitch of a team to beat in their own building. They just came back from a road trip where they beat four decent teams. While it would have been nice to stay in that game a bit longer, a loss was certainly to be expected.
Keep preaching that team defensive concept PW – I have confidence that the offense will come around over time.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
by otis29 on Nov 23, 2010 9:42 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
How much
of the lower point totals we are giving up is from improved defense versus us playing at a snails pace the last two games, do you think?
by MichaelMack on Nov 23, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Good question
I’d need some of the stat nerds to compare the team’s pace during the initial part of the season to the last few games.
My eyes tell me that the team has played with better defensive energy and cohesion, at least with that starting 5. Whether that’s an optical illusion, I don’t know.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
The New Jersey game at least
we had a Defensive Rating around 100, when our yearly rating was around 113. So its been MUCH better. Haven’t checked the stats for the last two games, but my eyes tell me they probably played better D against New Orleans (and much worse O) and about the same D as in New Jersey with the same crappy O against the Jazz.
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i ended up with a few of tyreke's friends after the hornets game
and one of em told me “it just looks like reke doesnt care”
iono if hes hurt or not.. but his play has not been up to the standard he set last year.
i hate to use the R word but im with the people who feel he has regressed
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
He's basically putting the same stats up as last year on a gimpy leg
I’d say he just hasn’t improved that much, especially since he spent so much of his summer working on the jumper. The third year is the year I think players really come into their own, this is still the learning stage.
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Horribly confounding
is his conversion rate at the rim. He still gets there with ease, but the ball isn’t rolling his way.
Is it because every team out there now knows he’s a pure righty and are making him force right handed shots at the rim?
This.
I think he's not getting enough lift due to his ankle/plantar fascia
and so he’s trying to use his arms more to get the ball up and he’s overcompensating. Just my take.
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Why wouldn't you pack the paint on D against the Kings?
The only offense on the floor in the starting line up is one post up player and 1 penetrating guard. How does that team ever score? Does anyone think that teams worry about Head and Greene beating them from the outside? This 5 would have to pitch a shutout to win.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
What about all that space between 2 and 23 feet?
seems to me Beno and Carl are the only Kings who like to shoot from there.
If I was coaching D against the Kings starting 5
I would pack the paint and let them shoot from 16 feet and out all night long.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
That's fine
any NBA team should be able to shoot at least 50% between 16 and 20 feet.
That's not the case though
More than half of the teams in the NBA this year shoot 41% or below, according to Hoopdata Offensive Shot location stats.
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by kingsfan300 on Nov 23, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
I should have qualified my statement
I meant open shots
The offense needs to work at getting open shots. That means exactly what Beno is complaining about, using screens and such.
Actually, it would be quite interesting
to see which spot the Kings have been most effective/efficient at getting points so far this season.
p/s: As a side thought, with Aykis consuming alcohol this year in a bid to help the Kings win, what are the odds we will see Aykis’ blood alcohol actually exceed the Kings’ shooting percentage on at least one night?
This.
Very, very good
If they keep playing offense like this.
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Well looking at the data
The rim and the three point line seem to be the areas where we shoot at a good percentage. At every other spot, the team has been shooting 40 %. Go figure.
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The Kings are around the league average inside the 3pt arc
They take the exact average number of shots at the rim and from 10-15ft. And, make 0.2 at the rim and 0.1 on the mid range shots more than the league average. Inside 10ft they take about 2 more shots than the average and only make 0.3 more. And, on the Long 2’s, they take 1.5 more attempts and make 0.2 more. So, we actually score more at all locations inside the arc, but shoot at a slightly lower percentage than average on the short and long jumpers.
It’s at the 3pt arc where we fall far below average. We are the 2nd worst 3pt shooting team, 0.3% ahead of last place Toronto. We take 1.8 fewer attempts than average and make 1.6 fewer.
We have the 4th lowest PPG average at 95.7 which is 4.4 pts per game below the league average. But, adjusted for Pace of play we have the 9th worst Offensive Efficiency at 101 pts per 100 possessions. The league average is 103.7 pts per 100 possessions.
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by HighTops on Nov 23, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
what i'm disappointed in
is the decision to have whiteside inactive game after game. there will be plenty of nights like yesterday where he could get some valuable experience. i’d rather have him active and available than have jackson active. i don’t think jackson will ever be anything more than he already is whereas whiteside has potential.
the kings are obviously not going to be competing for the playoffs this year – why not get whiteside some experience from time to time so he is ready to contribute after the lockout? the longer he sits, the longer it will take for him to develop.
It's still early in the season
Later this season, I’ll agree with you. I think at this point Westphal (rightfully) wants to salvage the season. The Kings have been within striking distance in many games, including some big comebacks early this season. Sending in Whiteside would get him experience, but it also sends a message about the team. That’s a message I’m happy not to see yet.
Never forget, I'm an idiot.
Look at the bright side though
After everyone’s plees, Pooh Jeter finally got into a game. On that note, does anyone know who he replaced in the active roster? My guess is Antoine Wright, but don’t know for sure
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 23, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I thought someone mentioned Wright as well, not 100% sure
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Not sure if anyone has pointed this out previously
But why can’t the Kings run the pick and roll with Dalembert? Instead of these 3 1:1 possessions we’ve seen at the start of the game why not set the dude up with a pick and roll play?
If we actually tossed the ball to the big men we might actually make that play work.
by DirtyDribblers on Nov 23, 2010 11:43 AM PST reply actions
Yes
Let’s run plays for the guy that has missed his last 14 shots.
by OrangeLazarus on Nov 23, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Not in pick and roll situations though.
They’ve set him up in 1:1 situations and we know he cannot hit his own shot.
Again: pick and roll.
by DirtyDribblers on Nov 23, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Well to be fair
He’s been getting those shots with his back to the basket, and facing up from 16 feet, where he’s ineffective.
Hitting him on the pick and roll is probably where Dalembert is his best, as he was one of the most efficient players in the league on the PNR last season, according to Harper from Cowbell Kingdom
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by kingsfan300 on Nov 23, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
I've got a vision that somewhere out there,
PW is shouting at a golden robot, ‘Never tell me the odds’ as he drives this team deeper into an asteroid field.
This.
::cough nerd cough cough::
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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 23, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
Star Wars is the coolest
I was going to say more, but, nothing more needs to be said. Star Wars is the coolest
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 23, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Battlestar Galatica is the coolest
j/k … maybe
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 23, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
OKO's takes
This switch to the defense minded lineup all goes back to the question of “identity” that has been brought up in these message boards over and over again. Its fine to become a defensive minded team, although its UGLY to watch, you have to play D in order to win. But that leads to my questions of- do we have the right players to play like this and also do we have the right coach??
-I think we do NOT have the right coach to become a defensive oriented team… we might the boat on Thibedoax and Avery Johnson. My solution, but the Maloofs wont agree to pay him, Jeff Van Gundy.
- We can focus on defense, but we cant afford to be THIS BAD on offense. Look at our top 5 minutes players in terms of offensive grades.
Evans- C+, great on the break and in the lane, but limited in half court, and Head/Greene (check the game logs) vs Udrih/Casspi hurts his game more than any ankle or foot injuries
Head- D, a decent shooter, but way undersized for the 2, and if hes a PG, hes at 2.2 APG for his career and also this season
Greene- D, cant shoot or really do much on O these days, only superior size at the 3 keeps him from an F in my book.
Landry- B-, our best half court option, but a bigger defender that wont give the jumper gives him fits
Dalembert- D-, only offensive rebounding, minus minus scorer and passer
what this means...
I dont see how Beno or Garcia fits into this “identity” long term
JT should be traded and we should commit to Dalembert long term, with a three big man rotation, with Whiteside or Jackson easily filling foul trouble minutes.
So i say go for broke and try to find a star 2 guard. Ship Udrih/Garcia/JT/ and even a few future picks for our star 2 guard. Who this is I dont exactly know off the top of my head… Carmelo Anthony, JRich, Mayo, Shannon Brown, Eric Gordon
And tank Westphal sooned than later, for Elie or Van Gundy
Im starting to think Im a jinx.
I cheer for the Sixers and the go 3-11, including tonights 2pts OT loss to Wiz, after leading by 13 in the 4th.
I root for the Kings and Kings go 4-9 (?). JT loses mojo, Reke not Reke’ing etc…
Does anybody know when the next Lakers game is? I’ll go over there and root for them. If they lose, I’m buying a Kobe jersey.
There can only be one Noce!
Pretty good. He's averaging 10pts, 5 rebs, 1 assist in about 23mins.
But it’s not enough to help the Sixers win, A really rough night for the Sixers. 14pt lead in the 4th and a 2ptloss in OT. Wow.
There can only be one Noce!
Yeah, watched the end there
Tough loss. Some mistakes by the young guys (foul on the 3 by holiday, and Turner falling asleep on the Young 3). We’re not doing that much better around here
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
It's really weird. Lots of optimism and expectations for both teams leading to disappointment.
But I have a feeling both are about to bust loose and gets us some quality wins.
I am really nervous about the play of JT, Omri and Donte though. I think the biggest reason it was easy for the Kings to let go of Noce was because everyone expected Omri and Donte to lock up the SF position and for JT to own the PF position, with Top Hat and DMC to back him up. I’m worried about their level of playing, especially JT.
Im not going to second guess PW (coz I think he knows what he’s doing) but Im really worried. I need to start seeing some convincing wins.
PS I am not worried about Tyreke AT ALL!
There can only be one Noce!
When Nocioni retires,
who will you love then?
Verajao?
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Nov 24, 2010 8:16 AM PST up reply actions
hell I love Verajao [sic?] now
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 24, 2010 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah he’s like Noah’s personality but without the talent.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Nov 24, 2010 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
Wow I just threw up in my mouth a little
Actually alot
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 24, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not too worried either way
I like what I’ve been seeing lately with the improved defense. The offense will get it going eventually, it always does. The young players will be young and you just gotta hope they grow in their role (whether it’s starter, bench, or whatever it is). I don’t think PW is the coach that will take the Kings far in the playoffs but I believe he does it for now.
Good to see you around though. Still hoping your guy gets traded to a contender to help a team in the playoffs. I think that’s the situation he should and oculd be in.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
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