Clippers 100, Kings 82: PFFFFFFT
Unsurprisingly, the Kings took on a mediocre (or worse) team, played poorly and lost. That makes nine of the last 10 games, three straight overall and drops the Kings to 4-10 on the season, with -- as I always emphasize -- the early part of the schedule slipping away. The Kings draw the Bulls and Pacers in Sacramento before venturing back to L.A. to take on the Lakers this week. Barring a dramatic shift in course, the record is going to get worse before it gets better.
After 14 games last year, the Kings were 6-8. The year prior -- that incredible 17-win season -- the Kings were 5-9 at this point. (At that point, Sacramento went on a bad losing streak, eventually costing Reggie Theus his job.) This is the Kings' worst record through 14 games since 1993. Nineteen ninety-three. (Evers Burns! Evers Burns!)
The effort was largely pathetic on Thanksgiving. The team gave up on so many plays, and eventually the game. The team abandoned what worked, ignored what didn't, and in the second half played like a high school team on the first day of practice. Seriously, this team looked more polished in preseason. Is Tyreke Evans' plantar fasciitis really gluing everyone's feet to the floor?
The defense that has guided the Kings through the Nets-Hornets-Jazz triptych disappeared as the Clippers shot better than 50 percent, as Eric Gordon (largely guarded by Luther Head) shredded Sacramento for 28 points in 17 FGAs, as Blake Griffin conquered the interior for 25 points on 11 FGAs.
The Clippers hit two threes all night, had a grip of turnovers (17) ... and still scored 1.08 points per possession (above league average, well above the Clippers' season average). That's pathetic defense, again, after a short respite.
Why? Did Head and Donte Greene and Samuel Dalembert simply forget how to defend?
No, not quite. It's more that any play by an opponent that involves defensive rotation by the Kings ends in disaster. The Kings' bigs don't rotate well -- only Dalembert blocks shots, and no other big draws charges. Griffin 86'd Dalembert by getting him into quick foul trouble; after that, the only King who credibly defended Blake for more than one possession was ... Tyreke Evans. That's not sustainable, and came because of a couple switches, which:
a) Paul Westphal has to call for because this team is so bad at defending the pick-and-roll, and
b) creates even more problems because of the clueless defensive rotation scheme behind the pick-and-roll.
Head can guard a lot of guys straight-up. So can Greene. So can Dalembert. But get these guys on the move and ask any other King to make the right decision on defense, and it's almost always a bucket for the opponent. I almost think the Kings did better defensively against those teams with strong point guards simply because, given that the offense ran through those guards, the Kings' best defenders could key up. Against the Clippers, with a diversified if crummy offense, that didn't work. Gordon ran pick-and-rolls wide; Griffin faced up and spun the Kings into oblivion; Al-Farouq Aminu dove to the rim; DeAndre Jordan and Craig Smith eked out space inside.
On the other end, one thing worked: Carl Landry, anywhere. Hot Carl had 15 points on nine shots in the first half. How many shots do you think he got in the second half? ... Two. Two FGAs after being the only reliable King in the first half (and really, in the last five or six games). Landry started slowly this season, but has really come alive. Getting him last February was to be a boon to the Kings' interior game. Yet the Kings ignore him for long stretches. And sure, the Clippers shaded him. But Carl has shown some ability to move the ball upon doubles (or use quick moves to split the defenders and get the ball on the rim). Despite that, the Kings wouldn't go there. PFFFTTT.
We criticize, of course, but does anyone see an easy fix? Re-inserting Beno Udrih for Head would have left Gordon with 40. Moving DeMarcus Cousins into the starting five for Dalembert would have meant Cousins or Landry (who had some feisty back-and-forth with Griffin) would have been in early foul trouble. Putting Omri Casspi into the game between Evans and Greene probably wouldn't have helped force Evans to be more aggressive; the team's ubiquitous dependence on one-on-one play would have been re-emphasized. There are no answers until these players get better.
If it's a health issue for Evans -- he's now .412 on the season, taking essentially the same shots that got him to .458 last year -- then that's one thing. But you get the sense the players are even more frustrated than we are as fans. I wouldn't have thought that possible, but the looks on their faces -- unanimously bleak -- tell a story. The Kings are not happy, and they shouldn't be. This is bad, bad, bad.
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Nice analysis TZ
Here we Suck
Purveyor of Bull Plop
Start Whiteside.
Seriously, I have no idea how to make this team better.
However, I do believe that PW’s constant tinkering has not helped this team. I’m not for losing, but hey, if we chose a line-up, let’s stick to it for 5 games, 10 games, let’s see what happens. A consistent rotation where the starters and bench players know their roles night in night out, with consistent minutes, situations permitting.
If the standard of team play after those 5 games, 10 games hasn’t improved, then at least there’s a better idea of what’s working and what’s not. Adjustments can be made, but at least there will be a general idea of who performs best when in certain game situations.
This season I feel that PW has been (over) reactionary. Maybe he has been that way for a long time. A player makes 1 mistake, he yanks him from the floor. That may work for some people, but I don’t think it works for many.
Maybe if these young guys had time and opportunity to play every game, regardless of the mistakes, just trying to keep a consistent line-up out there on court, maybe, maybe, the players can concentrate on finding a little consistency themselves. And that’s all we are looking for.
This.
The only solution is a tactical and mental (= coaching) change
not a rotational one.
As I see it there are three scenarios:
- Westphal somehow changes the way he coaches, earns the players’ trust and the team gets better (I have no idea how that happens).
- Westphal is fired. Consequences: A) We get a better coach and the team improves or B) the season is wasted with one more interim coach.
- Westphal stays, nothing changes, we compete for the last position.
Scenario 1 is great but I think it’s the most improbable.
Scenario 2A is also good, but where do you find a good coach in the middle of the season?
Scenarios 2B and 3 are the ideal because we earn a 3rd consecutive top 5 pick and complete the Thunder model, which basically means that we are a contender next season.
If you fire Westphal during the season
You almost have to elevate one of the assistants. I’ve mentioned Mario Elie, and I think he has some characteristics of successful coaches, but some of the other assistants could also be considered.
The season is going to be a struggle, because we are in the “easy” part. There is a stretch of about 15 straight games around the All-Star break that is just brutal, where we will be clear underdogs every night.
So with Westphal, it might not be a question of if, but when. They may want him to coach that tough stretch just to make the decision easier/more explainable, and also to give the next guy a fighting chance to succeed in the second half of the season, so we have something to build on for the future.
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Upcoming Schedule
15 Sat. Nov. 27 vs. Chicago 7:00 p.m.
16 Tue. Nov. 30 vs. Indiana 7:00 p.m.
17 Fri. Dec. 3 @ L.A. Lakers 7:30 p.m.
18 Sat. Dec. 4 vs. Dallas 7:00 p.m.
19 Mon. Dec. 6 @ L.A. Clippers 7:30 p.m.
20 Wed. Dec. 8 vs. Washington 7:00 p.m.
21 Sat. Dec. 11 vs. Miami 7:00 p.m.
22 Tue. Dec. 14 @ Houston 5:30 p.m.
23 Wed. Dec. 15 @ New Orleans 5:00 p.m.
24 Fri. Dec. 17 @ Oklahoma City 5:00 p.m.
25 Sun. Dec. 19 vs. Houston 3:00 p.m.
26 Tue. Dec. 21 vs. Golden State 7:00 p.m.
27 Thu. Dec. 23 vs. Milwaukee 7:00 p.m.
28 Mon. Dec. 27 vs. L.A. Clippers 7:00 p.m.
29 Wed. Dec. 29 vs. Memphis 7:00 p.m.
30 Sat. Jan. 1 @ Denver 6:00 p.m.
31 Sun. Jan. 2 vs. Phoenix 6:00 p.m.
32 Tue. Jan. 4 vs. Atlanta 7:00 p.m.
33 Thu. Jan. 6 vs. Denver 7:30 p.m. **
34 Sun. Jan. 9 @ Toronto 10:00 a.m.
35 Tue. Jan. 11 @ Washington 4:00 p.m.
36 Wed. Jan. 12 @ Boston 4:30 p.m.
37 Fri. Jan. 14 @ New York 4:30 p.m.
38 Sat. Jan. 15 @ Detroit 4:30 p.m.
39 Mon. Jan. 17 @ Atlanta 1:00 p.m. #
40 Wed. Jan. 19 vs. Portland 7:00 p.m.
41 Fri. Jan. 21 @ Golden State 7:30 p.m.
I think here is where it really starts to get brutal (not the seven-game road trip bracketing the All-Star break):
42 Mon. Jan. 24 @ Portland 7:00 p.m. #
43 Tue. Jan. 25 vs. Charlotte 7:00 p.m.
44 Fri. Jan. 28 @ L.A. Lakers 7:30 p.m.
45 Sat. Jan. 29 vs. New Orleans 7:00 p.m.
46 Tue. Feb. 1 vs. Boston 7:00 p.m.
47 Fri. Feb. 4 vs. San Antonio 7:00 p.m.
48 Mon. Feb. 7 vs. Utah 7:00 p.m.
49 Wed. Feb. 9 vs. Dallas 7:00 p.m.
50 Sat. Feb. 12 vs. Oklahoma City 7:00 p.m.
51 Sun. Feb. 13 @ Phoenix 5:00 p.m.
52 Tue. Feb. 15 @ Oklahoma City 5:00 p.m.
53 Wed. Feb. 16 @ Dallas 5:30 p.m.
Sun. Feb. 20 NBA All-Star Game, Los Angeles, CA
54 Tue. Feb. 22 @ Miami 4:30 p.m.
55 Wed. Feb. 23 @ Orlando 4:00 p.m.
56 Fri. Feb. 25 @ Charlotte 4:00 p.m.
57 Sat. Feb. 26 @ Memphis 5:00 p.m.
58 Mon. Feb. 28 vs. L.A. Clippers 7:00 p.m.
59 Wed. Mar. 2 vs. Portland 7:00 p.m.
60 Sat. Mar. 5 @ Utah 6:00 p.m.
61 Mon. Mar. 7 vs. Houston 7:00 p.m.
62 Wed. Mar. 9 vs. Orlando 7:00 p.m.
63 Fri. Mar. 11 @ San Antonio 5:30 p.m.
64 Sat. Mar. 12 @ New Orleans 5:00 p.m.
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Yeah Games 42-56 is especially brutal
Every single one of those teams were in the playoffs last year, and should be in the playoff picture this year as well.
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Honestly, though
at this point I don’t think it really matters who we play, as far as the rise or fall of our frustrations go. I really think it’s not the losing that is making things feel so desperate, it’s the manner in which we’re losing. The fact is, we’ve been playing long stretches of terrible, terrible basketball, and it doesn’t seem to matter who the opponent is. Obviously, some wins would be nice and would go a long way towards improving morale, but I really don’t think we can say that we have any more chance winning a game against one opponent rather than another. Look who we’ve lost to already this season, plus I’d say some of our better (and less depressing) games were against tougher opponents (though still losses). We’re not going to win too many more games no matter who we play, I just hope we start playing some much better team ball.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 26, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
We've only played 3 good teams (LAL, NOH, Utah)
And, I do think we are playing better ball, at least defensively over the last 4 games. Unfortunately Evans for whatever reason is in a slump going 2-13, 2-12, 4-12, & 8-21 for a total of 16-58 or 27.6%.
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fire PW
they just do not seem to be getting any better. I think if things do not improve by the all star break, there will be no choice but to replace PW. I did not care for the whole demeanor of the team. They just looked unhappy. My guess is they are not buying into PW’s philosophy. When a coach loses his players, he very rarely gets them back…..
I was at the game and voiced my opinion to joe maloof. Time to fire westphal he has no sense of direction and players are quitting on him.
by dj3ptspecialist44 on Nov 26, 2010 7:15 AM PST reply actions
Ugh
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 26, 2010 7:31 AM PST up reply actions
Oof
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 26, 2010 7:31 AM PST up reply actions
One of my biggest bitches is that
we continue to play to the level of the opponent. We play decent (sort of) when we play a New Orleans or Laker team, then we roll over (suck ass) for Minnesota and the Clips. Then the players all hang their heads during post game interviews and say “our shots just didn’t fall”. Maybe a “team only” closed door meeting is in order. Some of this lies with the coaching staff, but a lot of it is on the players.
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Most of the time those "team only" meetings
Do nothing but raise bad blood.
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i wish we played the lakers more in the start...
playing the lakers would have gotten us more nba ready. watching film on them and stuff.
The sad thing is
that this isn’t correctable.
There is NO WAY this team can get back to anything close to .500 this year.
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by caseycheesecake on Nov 26, 2010 8:07 AM PST reply actions
Unfortunately...
With a lockout looming, I’m guessing a lot of top draft prospects won’t come out so the draft is likely to SUCK.
The last lockout draft
provided a mixed bag. Within the top ten, th number one pick was a bust (Olowojandi), there were a lot of solid pros (Bibby, LaFrentz, Jamison, Carter, Jason Williams, Nowitzki, Pierce. Guys like Bonzi Wells, Matt Harpring, Keon Clark, Al Harrington and Nazr Mohammed went later in the 1st, with Ruben Patterson, Rashard Lewis, Cat Mobley, Rafer Alston, Corey Brewer and Bruce Bowen all going in the 2nd round. Not bad.
The trick for the incoming player is that the current CBA does not expire until after the draft. I think that they will still come out as planned, defaulting to Euro contracts if push comes to shove.
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If I recall right
Didn’t several players spend some time in Europe during that lockout season to keep in game shape/make some money? I think Olowakandi was one.
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I think we ought to just scrap the whole
1-4 offensive set with Tyreke at the top. Teams have picked apart Tyreke’s game, his ankles/feet aren’t healthy and we’re SHOOTING the ball atrociously. THose 3 things are a recipe of disaster for us. We need to get a difference maker at the PG position that will allow us to change up the offensive sets and spread the floor with some 3 pt. range. That’s my analysis and I’m sticking to it.
totally agree
they at least competed last year with Beno directing the offense. Get him back in the starting lineup. He runs the pick n pop/roll well and we have the bigs to complement that. Tyreke can be the guy we give it to when the offense breaks down or a shot can’t be found – then he can use his one on one skills to make something happen. But Tyreke’s shot is ugly as hell right now. He’s got a lot of work to do on it.
As a twenty year Kings fan,
I can honestly say I have reached the low point of my tenure with this organization.
When were talking lottery picks 14 games into the season and already looking to next year, its a good indication that major changes need to take place. The lottery simply is not going to save this team.
As a long time supporter of Petrie, I think its time for a change. We simply do not have the right complementary pieces in place to ever even consider being a contender.
My biggest fear is that the teams continued lackluster performance spells almost certain doom for the teams longevity in Sacramento.
Patience is simply not an option!
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
I know it won't be a popular notion
but I got to believe maybe a change at the GM may be a last gasp for this organization.
I respect your take,
but I thought that run through the late ’80’s and early ’90’s was a lot worse than this. It was basically the same crappy basketball with a much older team. The only thing that made it worthwile is that it was still relatively new to the city, we had no expectations, and Magic or Bird or Jordan came to town on a somewhat regular basis.
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Going to all of the home games from 1989-1996 I believe
the Kings were just as bad then. BUT the sell out crowds at Arco energized these bad teams to pick up many more wins at home then today. Do fans really make that much difference? YES! Arco had a reputation back then that it was a difficult place to play even when the Kings were bad. Home wins can build momentum for a team. The team now is lacking confidence and sometimes a loud, boisterous crowd is just what a team needs to boost a team’s confidence.
Ba-da
I think you have a good take.
I worry about the same things as you currently.
This has been terrible timing (not that stinking is ever a good thing….)
This team looks like they lost the desire
to even play the game. While watching them I could not help but wonder if they have a cancer on the team that is sapping their personal pride or is it simply lack of leadership.
Not meaning to pile on but
I have to agree. How does a change in owner fix this? The Maloofs aren’t calling the shots. They are only paying a guy to do it.
I could be wrong
Happens a lot… The Mallof’s were the ones that started the Rick fiasco where we went from a winning season to where we are now. They are the ones who have refused to pay for talent like coaches, so they hired Musselhead through PW on the cheap. They have continued to dump contracts and get expiring ones for the sake of saving money vs. giving a quality product. It goes back to what I have said before… the only plan they have in place is too save salary, then they have to market like crazy in a bad economy with a worse team to get anyone to attend the games (funny how being cheap costs money) I believe they are pushing GP to do many of the things he has done, and I wonder how many things they have nixed that he wanted to do only to save money. (we will never hear of those things)
Bad corporations have bad leadership… the Maloof’s have not showed any signs of running this business very well the last 5 years. Just my take… feel free to bash me :)
All I want for Christmas is a team that is fun to watch… or a giant billboard of the Maloof’s saying they will mow our yards if we will buy tickets. ;)
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
New fans
/shrugs… it was the only option left (after trade players, fire the coach, replace the GM and get new ownership).
by betweentheeyes on Nov 26, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Well
I know he’s only a rookie, but is DMC an absolutely horrible defender? We are without a doubt the worst team in the league by far. I would be shocked if we win 23 games this season. This is the worst offensive team I’ve ever watched. I,m a season ticket holder, and I will not go to another game this season, unless by some miracle they become entertaining somehow.
Its not even about wins or losses, its about being competative and at least having some entertainment value.
Please forward on to the Maloofs
This is their biggest fear.
Something big needs to happen and Aaron Brooks aint it.
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by nothingbutnet on Nov 26, 2010 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
Most rookies are bad defenders, especially rookie bigs
The game is called differently and The level of competition is really different. DMC will figure it out.
Blake Griffin is a rookie and I thought he defended pretty well.
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by Newton Pham on Nov 26, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Really?
Because Carl Landry destroyed him whenever he got touches. As TZ mentioned, he only got two FGA in the 2nd half, despite matching Griffin point for point in the first.
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I think DMC isn't that bad as a man defender
which is surprising, but he’s TERRIBLE as a team defender, something most rookies struggle with. But his rotations last night were horrible. One of note was when he went to double on Griffin, leaving Brian Cook wide open at the rim for an easy dunk.
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I really think so much of this is on Westphal
The clear major problem on offense is that there’s no ball movement. Every possession, one guy gets the ball and goes one on five. It’s not really hard to stop any one player when you pack the paint and dare a team that doesn’t shoot well to either take the ball into the teeth or the defense or make them shoot a jump shot. Tyreke is having trouble finishing, but even still teams are just packing the paint on him.
And I think a big reason why this selfishness on offense has set in is because guys have no idea at all how much or whether they’re going to play the next game. Every shot could be their last, so they want to get their shots in while they can. You can see this from everyone from Omri to Cousins to Pooh Jeter. They have to show something or they’ll get benched. What’s the incentive to pass?
Get Beno back in the starting lineup, get an actual real honest to god rotation going where guys know when they’re checking in and when they’re checking out, stop the yankings, and just let guys play better or worse. Emphasize ball movement and then get the offense right and then start worrying about the defense. You can’t defend when you’re missing a bunch of long jump shots and teams are getting easy points in transition.
And PW needs to stop overreacting to everything. The best solution to much of the defensive worries was to simply play Donte and Head more. What does PW do? Yank Beno and Omri from the starting lineup and give Omri DNPs. Every time an incremental solution was called for, PW goes overboard.
I’m really not a reactionary, but the coach needs to change or the coach needs to go. This stretch isn’t the end of the world, but there’s no reason why this team should be going backwards.
by nbrans on Nov 26, 2010 9:26 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
im back!
So after just constantly reading str and not commenting. Id like to agree with you. I feel like PW should let his rotation figure it out when they go through bad stretches. Instead he chooses for quick fix. Let the guys develop chemistry and figure it out through bad stretches. I just have a problem with players fearing to get benched because did something wrong. If you messed up, fix it on the next possesion and for the rest of the game. Don’t punish them for making one mistake unless its constant.
by SKingsFan on Nov 26, 2010 10:13 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Also, start the offense from the inside out...
If I were Westphal, I would get out a tape of the Jazz (Stockton/Malone era) and talk about how they got the ball down low.
Emphasize the back pick down low to free up the big man that is receiving the entry pass.
Emphasize the need for the big to get position close to the basket (as opposed to getting the ball to the big 15 feet away from the rim and having them face up their defender).
Emphasize the entry pass coming in from the side as opposed to the top of the key (where it often ends up in a turnover).
Then emphasize to the bigs that they need to pass if they are doubled.
It’s easier said than done, but I think with Landry and Cousins, it would get us a good shot or force a double team, which should force the defense to rotate and good things happen if you get the opposition’s defense rotating.
by R-Man on Nov 26, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Yes!
I am in total agreement.
Our entry passes have been poor. Some of the angles are terrible.
No cutters.
Initiate offense with big men in the high post way too often. With DMC, he should be getting the ball down low 80% of the time.
I think it can be both high and low post
The two man game where Cousins gets the ball in the high post and Evans runs off of him has been promising. But either way, the ball should really go through the bigs. And I don’t mean Dalembert.
I totally agree with you Mike
The high post isn’t working with this team. We have size and no possibility of taking advantage of it when we keep putting our bigs out away from the key. The only time this worked for us was when we had amazing passers in Vlade and Webber and guys who knew how to move without the ball such as Bobby Jackson. I honestly feel like this team needs a new offense if they are going to continue with this roster.
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We have one, Cousins
He’s an ideal high post big because he can shoot, pass, and drive to the hoop. I’d also like to see him down low, but running the ball through Cousins in the high post could work really well.
True
However the problem there is that he has a major issue with gathering fouls on the defensive end. So we would need to run 2 different offenses. One for when he is out there, and one for when he is riding the pine.
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I don't know if I agree with you - yet.
I think we are asking DMC to do too many things right now. I don’t want him 15-18 feet from the basket EVER.
DMC taking an 18 footer is almost always a bad shot unless he is hitting it 50% of the time. (He isn’t) He is potentially our best rebounder, and needs to be the interior offensive presence we need. The dude is a LOAD. Putting him in space just seems like an opportunity for him to pick up cheap fouls. Again, we are talking about a 20 year old rookie. We need to simplify his responsibilities right now. Play 10 feet in. Crash the boards. Hit the cutter. Kick back out when doubled – he is already good at that (amazing at his age) if we had reliable outside shooting and spacing on the court.
Well said!
I agree with everything you say here.
I’m especially in agreement that there is no reason that this thing should be regressing.
Had to Green this up.
You echo my own thoughts on this team and their play. And the coaching. It is so damned disheartening.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Team Chemistry
There isn’t going to be any team chemistry when your best players pounds the play clock down to about 8 – 10 seconds and then goes 1 of 5 either missing the laying or turning the ball over. Evans was TERRIBLE last night. His decision making is atrocious, and he doesn’t make anybody on his team better. The other four players end up standing around watching. They cannot possibly like playing ball with him. I don’t care if he averaging 19 a game. (And he ought to as much as he has the ball.)
Sports are supposed to be fun. These guys are not having fun because they are not playing together and trusting each other. This is not a group that appears to like playing with one another.
Beno and Omri both need to be re-inserted in the starting line-up. Our offense is terrible, and it’s leading to too many easy buckets for the other team. With Head, you get another guard who pounds the basketball and can’t help make plays for other people. He might hit a lucky three or get to the basket once in a while but he is a terribly ineffective PG.
We need help on both sides of the ball, but the offense has to pick up. And this starting line-up and Evans playground mentality is going to make that very, very difficult. Look for changes soon.
Is Reke doing anything different then last season...
…other then scoring less? Everyone seemed fine with it last year and the fact he landed the ROY.
He does seem to lack some of the energy he had, however this early in the season that is not a good sign. Other then that he is playing the way he was last year, and as it has been said last night by Kerr and others… the teams have figured him out, and Reke has not figured out how to get around that, he has not developed an outside shot or other tricks to his trade. Until Reke can make some changes to his game expect more of what you see now.
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
I should have been more clear, my bad...
Style wise… is he not playing the same way, only with worse results? Either due to a nagging injury, teams figured him out, or is quitting on the coach… or add your own idea here He drives and over dribbles… except last year it worked more then it didn’t.
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
It is truly puzzling.
I don’t have the answers either. I would say that he has been less offensively aggressive. He doesn’t look anywhere near as confident. He can’t finish.
It certainly looks like he is injured.
We have not shooters
Last night and in previous games they just packed the paint. It isn’t that complicated when you have no ball movement and the go to guy wants to drive into the paint. Just cheat off of those stationary players and pack the paint. Worked pretty damned good against us.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Hate to say it
But I agree.
Evans style of play may very well be what is causing this team to struggle. He is ball dominant and really makes awful decisions at times, such as jumping in the air to pass the ball into a crowd. I think this frustrates the hell out of the other players and they feel a need to “get theirs” whenever they have the chance. Obviously part of this should fall on the coach. If Evans played for Pop or Phil or any other reputable coach, he would be yanked for making some of those bonehead plays and wouldn’t be allowed to just dribble and drive on every possession.
Im not saying we give up on him or trade him or anything drastic, but I do feel that its time he is taught TEAM basketball and learns how to be a ball distributor.
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by Dirkula on Nov 26, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think this falls more on the coaching. They are calling the plays.
They don’t run out enough and play uptempo. If they did that Tyreke could get to the paint before 4 players are waiting.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
watch it
StR conventional wisdom is that all tyreke’s teammates just LOVE to stand around and watch him ballfake to them so he can go to the rack, baby, 20-5-5 rekeroy, team tyreke
we aren’t getting anywhere with this
by lchristmas on Nov 26, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Source?
Seriously, I have not seen
all tyreke’s teammates just LOVE to stand around and watch him ballfake to them so he can go to the rack, babyanywhere on this site, so source, please.
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In other words,
I respectfully disagree with your assessment that your statement reflects StR “conventional wisdom.”
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Im sure you can recognize hyperbole
And I am also sure that you recognize that this was largely a reference to an exchange I had with you, where you essentially wanted a signed affidavit (that’s hyperbole too before you go requesting a citation) from a teammate before you would concede that there are teammates of rekes who don’t like playing with him. Its really pretty simple. The guy doesn’t reward his teammates, he dribbles around constantly looking for his and when he does pass its often to leave his teammate with a bad shot with the shot clock expiring. lets add to this that he plays no defense, has received an inordinate amount of hype and praise and credit for wins (and until recently very little blame for losses).
This is the type of player that people don’t like playing with. You can go back and quote our discussion If you like if you wanna quibble with what I said today, go ahead. I don’t think its exactly a revolutionary theory. I would hate to play with the guy.
you are one of the main dudes on this blog and to a certain extent I think a lot of your opinions represent “str cw.”
My apologies to anyone who was offended by my implication that section 214 speaks for you.
by lchristmas on Nov 26, 2010 12:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
So, you're saying that I said (or at least inferred)
all tyreke’s teammates just LOVE to stand around and watch him ballfake to them so he can go to the rack, baby
, and you base that on the fact that I said that none of Evans’ teammates are complaining about him? Okie dokie.
My apologies to anyone who was offended by my implication that section 214 speaks for you.
An apology well owed, as I speak for absolutely no one around here but myself.
You make some good points around here occasionally, in my opinion. This was not one of those occasions.
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Thank you for your generous acknowledgment of my contribution
Ill interpret it based on my (relatively) occasional posting frequency instead of the way I think you meant it.
by lchristmas on Nov 26, 2010 2:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You were using sarcasm, not hyperbole
Luckily, Section is fluent in both.
I’m still curious, can you support your claim that his teammates don’t like playing with him? And by “support”, I mean more than “I wouldn’t like watching a better player hold the ball more than me”.
For what it’s worth, 18.86% of Tyreke’s possessions end in an assist. The only Kings with higher rates are Udrih (27.59%) and Head (26.2).
Yes, Evans has a high usage rate, but Cousins has a usage rate almost as high (less than 1% difference). Only 7.52% of Cousins’ possessions end in an assist. Yet nobody around here is complaining about him.
I’m not saying we should be attacking Cousins, I’m just saying that Evans is a terrible choice for your scapegoat.
Never forget, I'm an idiot.
Pretty sure it was sarcastic hyperbole
can I quote a player that says they don’t like playing with him? Of course not. “support” for an argument includes common sense and reasonable inference. on basketball and a human level people don’t like playing with ball hogs. Basketball players don’t like running the floor and never being rewarded. They don’t like being thrown the ball with 3 seconds on the shot clock so THEY have to throw up a bad shot.
by lchristmas on Nov 26, 2010 1:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
Which part of my “He has a high assist rate” didn’t register with you? You’ve chosen to ignore the facts I gave, in favor of more generalizations.
In general, people do not like playing with a ball hog. However, people often defer to the best player on their team. That’s also part of human nature.
Never forget, I'm an idiot.
It registered fine - I was not aware that each reply was required to contain a detailed response and/or refutation to the comment it replies to
But to appease you, I will point out that nowhere in your post did you claim or even day that tyreke has a “high assist rate.” You gave a number (maybe some more versed in assist rate would have recognized this as actually a very unimpressive number) and stated that he is 3rd on the team, as though that is impressive. It is not. He’s the primary ball handler. 18 is hugely lower than 27. “he’s third on an awful team, beno udrih and luther head have only 50% more” =/= “he has a high assist rate.”
18% is unimpressive at best and awful for a teams primary ball handler, if I’m reading the league numbers on b-r correctly. So I don’t think your point holds much (if any) water in the first place.
A couple thoughts on deferring to the best player as human nature… Yes it is, but it depends on a couple things – first, that works better if the ballhog er guy being deferred to is leading you to WINS. people like to win and are more likely to sacrifice your own game if youre winning. If you are losing AND someone is being selfish? Hi recipe for malcontents. Second, the extent to which you are willing to defer depends upon your perception of the talent gap. if I am playing pickup ball with a great shooter and he jacks up an open 23 footer rather than kick it to me for a 15 footer that id probably miss anyway? Im cool with that. However, an nba player running the lane with a dunk opportunity is not going to be ok for long with being nothing but a pass fake target so reke can take it himself every freaking time. They do not see the pass fake as the superior option. They are correct.
by lchristmas on Nov 26, 2010 6:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Actually from what I've been reading lately
Id say the cw probably tends toward my point, so I guess you are probably right about that.
Happy leftover day.
by lchristmas on Nov 26, 2010 12:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
We are 4-10 the season isn’t over they can still salvage the season but after being patient with westphal its time.
The coaching coral would be over if we just hire a good damn coach and be done with it.
They aren’t responding and I think its because of wwstphal and his ego and inconsistent rotations
by dj3ptspecialist44 on Nov 26, 2010 9:44 AM PST reply actions
Watching this game last night
wounded my inner child.
by famous_mortimer on Nov 26, 2010 9:46 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Here's what I don't understand...
Cousins sucks on defense but the man is a beast in the low post, as usually he is either getting a good shot, getting fouled or setting up other teammates. Why are we setting him up in the high post so much? Cousins low post game needs to be a staple part of the offense once he comes into the game since he’s so foul prone. Look at the Clippers (yikes! I’m comparing ourselves to the Clippers for good strategy!), they feed Griffin in the post all night long and it simplified the offense. Cousins isn’t on Griffin’s level, but in the post he can do the same things.
smell the ashes
by iamstern'skippah! on Nov 26, 2010 11:23 AM PST reply actions
the clippers game didnt reveal any new problems it just solidified the current ones
Too many offensive possessions turn into Samuel Dalembert channeling his inner Tim Duncan in the low block, DeMarcus launching a jumper without any real ball/man movement, or Tyreke Evans halfheartedly breaking down the defense only to dish to whoever his backcourt mate is at the time for a wing three. The team doesnt really have a sense of purpose at this point, or an understanding of roles. The great teams in the league aren’t great just because of their talent but because each player is a star within his own role. If Tyreke Evans is our star and Landry is our best low post player (or Cousins), then our offense should run like that. Tyreke should always be playing with shooters on the floor and we should be setting screens and opening up lanes for him to get to the basket.
DeMarcus Cousins should never be launching a jumper unless thats a part of a complex offensive set that we just ran. This is a 6’11 275 pound man who more often than not settles for perimeter jumpers instead of backing down his man. Defensively we have a whole new set of problems. During the offseason i was excited about the new four-headed frontcourt of Thompson, Landry, Cousins and Dalembert but it’s become pretty apparent that we have a ways to go defensively rotation wise. I dont think we should ever trot out a Landry-Cousins 4-5 combo because Landry’s severely undersized and Cousins has no footspeed at all. Dalembert and Thompson are good defensive players and would complement Landry and Cousins as a frontcourt counterpart. Just not Thompson at the 3.
I dont really support a coaching change at this point because then we’d have 5 coaches in 5 years and we should be trying to set up the most stable environment to nurture our young players. Although i do like the potential of Mario Elie becoming the coach, and i wouldn’t mind going that route if by New Year’s we’re battling it out with the Timberwolves for lottery draft position.
This season is not lost and i dont think that my ideas are exactly the right ones to right the ship, but it’s pretty obvious a change needs to take place, whether it be a change in philosophy, playing style or the makeup of our team.
by mactown96kings on Nov 26, 2010 11:48 AM PST reply actions
I like Elie
but if you make him the coach now, you set him up for failure.
I’m not saying that the Kings should not make such a move, maybe at one point later in the season (now is too soon), but if it happens Elie will be in a very difficult situation to right the ship and may not earn himself a contract if he can’t show some drastic improvement with the team in a few areas.
Having said that, I am really afraid that PW is losing the respect of his team and in that case Elie (or another replacement)might even turn some things around pretty fast.
Dunking Dutchman
this is bad, what's to be done (ANYTHING?)
I dont envy Wesphal either. He needs to try radical stuff … It cant get any worse.
How about: Beno, Head (or Garcia), move Reke to 3, and Landry and Bert (Or Thompson)?
We’re not getting crap at the 3 anyway. Might as well try something new. At least then we have 3 decent defenders and a shooter in Beno on the floor to start games.
All last year, people cried about Reke being a solid point, but I hope they see now just how that isnt true. He pounds the ball too much, is still in love with a jumper that still sucks, and makes the other players stand around too much with his domination of the ball. While he may have the skills, he is def. NaPG now … all those people last year were wrong, plain and simple. He’s like Salmons without a jumper but with better handles.
If his jumper had come along more in the offseason … who knows. But he still has a tendency to fall away on his shot. And that’s just a crap form habit from high school.
i guess it would have to Udrih, Garcia, Reke ... on second thought.
Let Udrih in Garcia shoot the jumpers, Reke can drive from the 3. Landry and Dalembert clean up.
by VirginiaBlue on Nov 26, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
i remember at the begining of the season there was a story about his jumper
it said he was watching high school tape of his jumper, maybe that’s why
Mark Jackson: Kings dont have talent for 1on1 isolation plays.
If they are ever going to succeed, its going to come from togetherness and team effort. which means, lots and lots ov ball movement. This team dont even know the ABC of ball movement. They are CLUELESS when it comes to team play, they love to play 1on1 and throw up some bad, ugly, hard to describe shots.
IF westPHAL cant get this unit to play as a team, HE SHOULD BE FIRED>
Mayday, Mayday. SIR, PETRIE, SIR,"we need capable shooters at 23ft 9inches, the enemy is approaching, SIR". Radio goes silence......... "Sir, DO YOU COPY".
This game was perdictable and PW is to blame for not preparing the team
In my game Preview, I pointed out that the Clippers score 63% of thier points inside 10ft. And for this game they were 25 of 35 inside 10ft, and 5 of 27 outside 10ft. That’s 81% of their points inside 10ft.
I also said
And, let Dalembert do what he does best when the Clippers undersized guards try scoring inside.
and
Griffin is shooting 55% from the FT line and we have 30 fouls to give from our PF’s and Centers
So, I was really upset that PW put Dalembert on Griffin. Sammy is a weakside defender/shotblocker, and was needed to stop the guards as well as help on Griffin.
We should have been throwing everyone except Sammy at Griffin. And, let Sammy clean up the boards and block and alter shots by Gordon, Bledsoe and Jordon who ended up 10 for 11 at the rim. DeMarcus is a good man defender but isn’t a great help defender and doesn’t block or alter shoots by guards once they penetrate.
This is just another of PW’s failings. He wanted a center who can play goalie and he got one. Then when he needed a goalie he makes him play PF against one of the quickest and most athletic PF’s in the league. We should have played almost anyone else on Griffin but Dalembert. I would have throne Donte & Cousins at him first.
Dalembert defended Jordon in the 1st and got his 2nd foul at the 6 minute mark, which is generally when PW subs in Cousins. But, in the 2nd quarter, they had Sammy on Griffin when he reentered at the 7:36 mark and only lasted 2 minutes guarding Griffin before he got his 3rd and sat for the rest of the quarter. On the 2nd possession of the 3rd, the Clippers set a pick on Dalembert, and Sammy & Carl ended up switching so that Sammy was again on Griffin. And, less than 1 minute into the 3rd, Sammy fouled Griffin, and ended up sitting out the rest of the game.
Griffin scored 7 basket inside 10ft, but Gordon & Bledsoe scored 9.
I also posted this about the Clippers
Defensively, for a team that has the size to score inside, they give up the 5th highest percentage at the rim.
And yet the Kings were 13 of 41 for 32% from outside 10ft , and 13 of 25 for 52% inside 10ft. And, the leading scorers at the rim were Beno 3-3 and Luther 2-2. None of the bigs had more than 1 made basket.
If this wasn’t the worse planned offensive & defensive scheme’s ever, than they were by far the worst executed scheme’s. Either way something needs to change. Either in player personel or coaching personel.
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by HighTops on Nov 26, 2010 4:14 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Plantar fasciitis recovery can take a long time.
Evans has Plantar Fasciitis. I have had it too.
There is a good web site explaining what is Plantar fasciitis:
http://www.plantar-fasciitis-elrofeet.com/What_is_plantar_fasciitis.html

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