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Postgame Thread: Kings at Lakers

Well, they're the defending champs for a reason.  The Kings are still having a lot of problems guarding the pick and roll and the three point line (11-21 from three for LA, that's ridiculous), and had problems themselves with hitting their own threes (Luther Head's shot just looked awful) and free throws (Landry was especially puzzling).  

Also, for the record, I don't like DeMarcus taking 4 threes a game ever, I don't care if one was to beat the shot clock.  Get in the post and get to work, where you were getting to the basket or getting fouled.

Still I think we can take some good from this game.  To get dominated from three and the line like we did, and to only lose by 12 to perhaps the best team in basketball is pretty good.  We beat this team on the boards which is really good, and we only turned it over 8 times (something we've done a really good job so far this season).  We also missed a LOT of shots that we normally make, with quite a few unlucky rolls.  I'd give us a B- for this game, and unfortunately we needed our A game against this team and we didn't bring it all night.  Disappointing, but learn from it, and get better for next time.

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One more thing

i loathed those Laker fans in Arco. i hope we get back to the good ol days with some old fashion cowbells – and we will soon, we all learn from our mistakes and losses and ill take a 12 pt loss to the defending champs than an absolute blowout.

by TG13 on Nov 3, 2010 10:39 PM PDT reply actions  

From the telecast, it didn't sound as bad as it had in years past

There were enough Kings fans to drown out the Kobe MVP chants when they started.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 3, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I definitely think we can take some good from this game

I’ll take a 12 point loss over a blowout too… I think it would have been a little closer if Reke didn’t get into foul trouble

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by slamson on Nov 3, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

true

thats what i was thinking too, we got to lay low on the fouls. tyreke had some bad fouls. We just need to learn how to play aggressive without fouling.

our second unit held theyre composure pretty good. thats a good sign for us

by TG13 on Nov 3, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me reaction:

There’s a few positives to take from this game, and a few negatives. When it’s all said and done, they are the defending champs for a reason, they can kick their game into a higher gear whenever they want. Kings can’t.

I will say Donte could have helped and done a better job on players like Odom and even Kobe.

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by Apoet on Nov 3, 2010 10:41 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't think Donte is quick enough to have guarded Kobe tonight

But he might’ve helped on Odom, although his rebounding is icky. I would’ve rather seen Darnell in than Landry the way both of them ended up playing, but I understand the substitution. Juice Man brought the energy and we got back in it a little, and Carl was subbed in to try to take the offense to the next level but then he just settle for poor 20 foot jumpers and missed just about all his crunch time free throws for some reason. Its perplexing.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 3, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know exactly, but more than last year

I have a feeling coach doesn’t think he’s in game shape yet.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 3, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to a CSNCA interview with Donte from earlier today...
I was 225 as a rookie, and now I’m walking around at 238. People don’t realize I’m still young (22 years old), and my body is still filling out, still developing. I got a bit taller during the offseason too.

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by PurpleLoco on Nov 3, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

The guy is 6' 11"

What do they want? Minute Bol?

by KingsFan on Nov 4, 2010 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I too thought the substitution scheme was a little screwy

Seems Cisco has taken all of Donte’s minutes. At one point in the 4th Cisco was in at PF! I guess the idea was to spread the Laker’s defense some. I don’t think it helped. Possibly it may have helped to have Donte’s longer reach in the paint.

by KingsFan on Nov 4, 2010 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

My Reaction

Fuck the Fakers

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by slamson on Nov 3, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Nice sig

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by Noble_Bloodlines on Nov 3, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

Thanks man, MarcusC had me rolling in that thread

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by slamson on Nov 3, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

good game to you.

From a personal standpoint, it was a hell of a good game to watch. I thought y’all gave us a run for our money early one, just ran out of gas later on. If I were a King fan and as you have already mentioned, I totally wouldn’t be all that upset about tonight’s loss, either. It’s funny about youth in the NBA, at least from my perspective. Early on it’s what drives you, the youth brings a no-fear aspect to your game, but in the end it seems that more often than not, that youth catches up with you and experience takes over and we certainly have that experience.

Again, this was a fun game for me and y’all are fun to watch. Thanks for the lovely conversation during the game, Apoet. You were nice enough to come and hang out with us during the game for a bit, so I thought it was the least I could do to come over and say — good game, and thanks, I’ll serve you a white Russian anytime. : )

by BigSkyCat on Nov 3, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

absolutely

my mom was crying when she saw that lol (shes a lakers fan) haha

by TG13 on Nov 3, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

unreal move

beastin’

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by bluexfalcon on Nov 3, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

we HAVE to improve at the free throw line

Landry missing both of his free throws when we were down 9 with 5 minutes left killed us.

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by Scott Coleman on Nov 3, 2010 10:47 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

He's usually money from the stripe

but he struggled from everywhere tonight. Just an off night.

by chenp22 on Nov 4, 2010 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you on the threes.

DeMarcus taking threes is a habit I want to break RIGHT NOW.

We DON’T NEED our power players launching threes. I don’t care if it is a necessity – it should NEVER be what we settle for.

Other than that, I’d have Thompson getting fewer minutes, Jackson getting more. Landry doesn’t match up with this lineup. One of the few in the league that is just way too big. Should have gone larger at the four. Also Casspi needed more time. No biggie – just move on.

We probably lose this game anyway (which is as it should be currently), but I didn’t think we played very smart, nor did I think Westphal coached a great game.

by Hoops Mike on Nov 3, 2010 10:48 PM PDT reply actions  

oh man

that is so true, holy crap luther head!
i admire his defense but his threes are offensive.
and DMC, i liked the first banked three but the others? Aykis is totally right get back in the paint big man.

by TG13 on Nov 3, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

meh

his 3s were fine before this game. I just wish he’d set his feet more when he has the time

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by Viliphied on Nov 3, 2010 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

except the shooting =/

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by Viliphied on Nov 3, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Tyreke

it’s a good thing Kings don’t play for a few days

Dudes ankles are going to need the rest

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by Apoet on Nov 3, 2010 10:48 PM PDT reply actions  

man

ill take the loss.. lot of shots missed that kings have been making.. lot of fouls that didnt go the kings way

evans being out the game for so long hurt
ditto cousins

and the lakers were on fire from 3…

still the kings showed their talent.. i think it was early in the season for a test this big..

kings will be a better team every time the lakers see them

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by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 3, 2010 10:48 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

In conclusion

For our first game against a good team (and perhaps the best team), I think we did alright and probably would have beaten 20 other teams tonight.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 3, 2010 10:50 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

yea

kings hung in there after a bad end to the 2nd quarter.. lot of good things i saw

though omri didnt see the floor much but i get that they liked heads d on kobe..

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by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 3, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

What does Heads d have to due with Casspi getting replaced by Cisco and JT?

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by HighTops on Nov 3, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

also

head’s shot was the worst it looked all year.. but he did do some good things..

and i think thompson is playing himself out of town, despite the rebounds, the missed shots in the paint are KILLING him.. and every time jackson plays good it has to hurt thompsons standing with the team

and whatever is going on with donte.. they need to figure it out

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by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 3, 2010 10:50 PM PDT reply actions  

If anything

this game showcases why JT isn’t going anywhere anytime soon
If it wasn’t for him, the Kings would have been down by much more in the second quarter
He dominated the boards.

I don’t understand Kings fans sometimes. Giving up on JT just because his offensive game is inconsistent. So was Darnell Jacksons prior tp being with the Kings and he’s older than JT.

Patience, you never just boot out a good rebounder on your team for nothing.

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by Apoet on Nov 3, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

id say

his offensive game is consistently bad… especially everything that isnt a 15 foot jumper

and its not that i want to see him go.. im just looking at it as i see jackson getting minutes that used to go to thompson

but that could just westphal and his tendency to never settle on consistent rotation

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by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 3, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry

but while I like Darnell’s play

He’s not above JT just yet

I mean I get people whining about JT sometimes, but not this game. Sure he had some bad shots but he had some promising buckets too.

To me, he had 2 solid games in a row. He gave what was expected of him. Other players didn’t step up when needed to. Heck I have more criticism towards Landry and Cousins than JT based on today’s play.

I just don’t want to see this be a constant. Where JT gets ragged every single game sometimes for mistakes other players made. He’s getting unfairly run out of town by some fans.

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by Apoet on Nov 3, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your right, JT's stat were the same as SD's minus the blks, do we dump Sammy too?

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by HighTops on Nov 3, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't get to watch it

but it sounds like everything I gathered from the Box Score was just about right. We had a great game except for three point and free throw shooting as well as three point defense. The funny thing is, if the Kings shoot for average on either of those shooting categories, and hold the Lakers to average three point shooting, the Kings win.

by vfettke on Nov 3, 2010 10:50 PM PDT reply actions  

The Lakers hit some absolutely ridiculous threes too.

Kobe with hands in his face, Lamar Odom with a dribble step back over Dalembert, Artest actually making his…

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by Aykis16 on Nov 3, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know this might not matter for most people

but has anyone noticed the lack of highlights that kingsflix has been putting up? It seemed like they put up a lot more kings plays last year.

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by king4life on Nov 3, 2010 11:00 PM PDT reply actions  

honestly

i do not know, but, were only in game no. 5 if that sums it up for you

by TG13 on Nov 3, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was actually thinking this as well

It seems like this year so far they’ve only put up the plays that have been “Jeep Drive finishes” or “Round Table Dishes”, etc.. Still, those guys put a LOT of work in, so I don’t blame them. Most teams don’t even go to this trouble.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 3, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I noticed this after our very first game.

I thought they might pick things up, but…nope.

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by Juan Primo on Nov 4, 2010 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bunch of my friends are laker fans, now I’m getting text from them talking s**t

by Burrito3 on Nov 3, 2010 11:04 PM PDT reply actions  

They must feel so proud that their championship caliber team

was able to beat a team coming off a 25 win season by 12. So proud.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 3, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep i don’t care KIngs for ever baby. when the Lakers start sucking all these laker fans are going to jump on the clipper bandwagon.

by Burrito3 on Nov 3, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I told them how Pal Gasol was given to them and they say we just know how to make trades lol.

by Burrito3 on Nov 3, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

yea i feel you too

most of my friends are pounding me right now with the hate/feel sorry kind of messages.
some even calling us queens, theyre really proud now they beat an inexperienced young kings team by 12. haha faker bandwagoners

by TG13 on Nov 3, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

You boys need a better class of friend.

And while I’m not exactly advocating you follow ElRon’s method of ridding yourself of the undesirables, I’m not taking it off the table, either.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 4, 2010 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

If I had a roster of nearly $100 million...

I’d probably be pretty good too….especially against a team with less than $45 million

by Aaron Can on Nov 3, 2010 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s what i said and the laker fans told me, its because where to cheap to spend. Do all NBA teams have the same salary cap?

by Burrito3 on Nov 3, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

But not all NBA teams operate in one of the more populated and wealthy cities in the world.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 4, 2010 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don't blame finances for the discrepancy.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

Just look at the Knicks for the past few years. They sucked at damn near $100 million while San Antonio rocked right at the cap.

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by section214 on Nov 4, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or, in a different way...

….Phoenix was actually better at 44 million than they were when all their young players got extensions and had to spend money.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

You hit my key points

We did out rebound them especially on the offensive glass where they were leading the league. But, we couldn’t defend the 3 where they had been averaging 10 per game at a 45% clip. But, all in all I like the way we battled in the 1st half. I just think we ran out of gas in the 3rd and of course it didn’t help that Tyreke got hurt and into foul trouble.

The fact that we had to use Luther so much to defend the ball handlers, does not bode well for our backcourt. I know it’s only one game, but I couldn’t help thinking as I watched, that I wish we had made an attempt to pick up another defensive SG with our cap space or even kept Marcus Landry.

Especially, when we had to play Cisco at the 3 to keep a 3pt shooter on the floor. After all the preseason hype about how big we have gotten, we end up playing a 6-3 backcourt and a 6-7 200lb small forward.

But, all and all, I don’t believe many of us really believed we would win. but, DeMarcus did surprise me by the way he was able to attack Gasol and how he stayed out of foul trouble. I thought it was incouraging that Cisco played well again. And, didn’t take any guff from Kobe. And, Beno continues to shine and might be the best bargain GP ever signed.

On the sad side, I’m really concerned with Landry taking so many long 2’s. And, I’m really worried about the SF spot. With Cisco playing so many minutes at the 3, it really hurts our depth at the 2 which is his natural position. And using JT at the 3, has really hurt our offense.

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by HighTops on Nov 3, 2010 11:13 PM PDT reply actions  

We were unlucky from 3

and bad from the FT line – again.

As for the smaller SF (Cisco), I only recall one time where size played against us, and that was Ron-Ron posting up Casspi, which he can do to just about anyone if he wants to. Neither Ron nor Barnes went inside very successfully otherwise. I don’t know that being a little smaller affects 3 point defense. Maybe Barnes on some rebounding, I do think Casspi should have been in against him more. Maybe he was, I’d have to go back and look.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

That team has been playing together for quite a while

they just know how to execute better than us.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2010 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

If the talent levels of the 2 teams were exactly equal

their experience together would allow them to take 7 of 10 from us.

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by ElRonToro on Nov 4, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

A couple of times we weren't just unlucky from three

We were stupid from three. Cousins shouldn’t have shot more than just that first three, Head probably shouldn’t have pulled up in transition that one time (he was awful, but you want him taking wide open threes, but that transition pull up was egregious), and that Cisco pull-up from 26 feet with about 20 seconds on the clock was just stupid.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 4, 2010 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tell me about it

I think we were down 5 when Head, Cisco and Tyreke all pulled up from 3.. Plenty of time left, take the ball to the rack!

by chenp22 on Nov 4, 2010 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

see below

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by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't understand how you consider us unlucky from 3

unless your saying the L*kers were the ones with luck. If you eliminate Cuz’s and Head’s threes we where only 5 for 13 which is decent at 38.5%. And, luck had nothing to do with Cuz’s and Head’s 3 pt misses. I just wish we would have set up Casspi and Cisco for about 5 more each.

My concern about Cisco playing the 3 wasn’t about us needing size at the 3 but about having someone other than Tyreke to defend Kobe. Tyreke hasn’t been the best man defender this season. I would have been happier if Cisco spent more time defending Kobe. And, if we had someone bigger than Cisco at the 3 to task Kobe, so they couldn’t rotate Artest to defend Tyreke.

We (not you & I specifically but the blog in general) talked about this last season. Where we needed more size than Beno in the backcourt so teams couldn’t switch defenders. Well, that would seem to be the case for the 3 also. We can’t let Kobe skate on the defensive end. We need someone who’s going to work him and maybe force them to bring back Artest.

I’m not sure who that SF would be. But, I think it hurt us that Kobe only had to work at one end of the court and Tyreke had to work at both ends.

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by HighTops on Nov 4, 2010 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was talking about LA being lucky from 3

Yes, our shot selection from there wasn’t great. Subtract three 3-pointer’s of theirs for 39% or even two for 43%, hit 80%of our FTs (or 4 more for a decent 78%) and that is a 2 point game late and anything can happen. Add even one better 3 point shot for us, setting up Casspi or Cisco instead of Head and . . . . .

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by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good game.

ARCO was definitely louder than usual. Playoff type atmosphere the first half.

And there were about 3 cowbells where I was sitting. Props to the guy who kept shaking it, he didn’t stop all night.

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by bluexfalcon on Nov 3, 2010 11:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah I heard the cowbells on the telecast

He must have snuck em in, I thought they had been banned.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 3, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice recap.

Wish I could have seen the game

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by Kfan in Korea on Nov 3, 2010 11:29 PM PDT reply actions  

I went to the game.

All I can say is that there was over 50% Laker fans there and I am not even joking.

What a disgrace.

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by caseycheesecake on Nov 3, 2010 11:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Nothing bothers me

Like having Kobe “MVP” chants in our only national televised game of the year. Its embarrassing.

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by Neil Manich on Nov 3, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can always count on Casey for some unabashed optimism

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by tomroadrunner on Nov 3, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Casey

There was about 13,500 to 14,000 people there …1200 tops were Laker fans , the fewest I’ve seen there in years

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by ElRonToro on Nov 4, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Where were you?

There were 1200 in the bathroom alone. With 90 seconds left all the Kings fans were leaving and the whole bottom level was yellow. Wait were you being sarcastic?

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by caseycheesecake on Nov 4, 2010 5:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok....I am a math nerd

I sampled 10 sections, counting any Faker wear I could find, averaged it an multiplied it times the number of sections in the arena. I came out with 1200.
Arena total count was a guess based on 22 years of experience.
Unless there were twice as many L fans in the runways as there were sitting my count should be close…I also added 25% for people not wearing L clothes.
I was in the front of 203 and from where I was the chants were drowned out…the cheers after scores we could do nothing about.

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by ElRonToro on Nov 4, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have to say I'm closer to Casey on this one

At least in the nosebleeds, the Lakers fans were noticeably louder than the Kings fans, excepting early in the 4th when the Kings were able to make a push. Out booing the “M-V-P” chants was sweet though.

by lead_pipe on Nov 4, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was in 218 row J

Otherwise known as North Los Jangeles.

My section was over 60% Laker fans.

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by caseycheesecake on Nov 4, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with this entirely

I especially loved that Tyreke absolutely refused to give up, even when most of the fans had left. Reminded me of his game against San Antonio last year where he hit back to back threes in the fourth quarter. Might have been Portland.

The Lakers just had more game winners. When we looked close to making a run Artest would hit a big shot. And then finally Derek Fisher closed the door. They executed better, and they should. They are the better team.

But seriously, what is up with Luther Head? He had success driving, and his defense on Kobe was great, but his shot was killing me.

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by Neil Manich on Nov 3, 2010 11:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Head has always been a catch and shoot player, and doesn't excell off the dribble.

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by HighTops on Nov 4, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

While thats true

Head still had better success off the dribble last night than he did spotting up.

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by Neil Manich on Nov 4, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or pulling up.

Those 3’s were god-awful.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Driving to the rim for a layup isn't the same as shooting a jumper off the dribble.

Pooh is better at pulling up off the dribble in transition, and launching a 3 or mid range jumper. Head has that lean in to his jump shot already. But, when he’s driving toward the basket and doesn’t come to a full stop, that lean causes him all sorts of control issues.

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by HighTops on Nov 5, 2010 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just got home...

Aykis you stole my thunder. I totally agree with your observations. We need to get better at hitting free throws and defending the perimeter. Additionally, Cisco and Beno had really good games. Omri just up and disappeared like a fart in the wind. JT and Sammy rebounded well and neither Luther or Sammy should be allowed to shoot the ball when they are more than 2’ from the basket.

All in all the Lakers are defending champions for a reason. I’m not much on moral victories, but to lose by only 12, well, it could have been worse…

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by SayWhat? on Nov 3, 2010 11:41 PM PDT reply actions  

What i hated the most were the Fakers fans being very disresoectful during the National Anthem..We had several in our section and it took me a while to cool down and not turn around and punch one in the face..Trash talk all you want but that is the National Anthem that i fought proudly for

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by Widowwolf on Nov 4, 2010 12:35 AM PDT reply actions  

I second that....

never heard anything so bush…..keep your mouth shut and show some repect….who raised these Faker fans anyway?

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by ElRonToro on Nov 4, 2010 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Defending champs...

It’s the same bs every year. They get the calls when it counts, and even shots Kobe is suppose to miss, looks like he gonna miss, land. Ohh and that Gasol Flop on Cousins was enough to make me want to throw up.

Our guards played well (Apart from Casspi) but our bigs offense wasn’t good enough to to topple Fakers. Rebounds were good, but Dalembert & Thompson with 10 rebounds each but 1-5 and 1-6 shooting for 2 points each, not good enough. I know Thompson didn’t get huge minutes, but he misses 2 footers regularly…and him taking that long two was like wtf?
 
Dare I say we needed a big that played as well as Hawes against Fakers last year. Was like one of his only great games.

Donte played well on Kobe last year, he should have had some burn to try to limit him a bit, or Jackson & Wright should of had some more time (or time period for Wright) to try and guard Kobe, Artest, Barnes etc.

Also just another opinion, Omri has certainly earned the SF position, but if his offense isn’t there like tonight, then Greene should be in to help shut down players. I mean can’t hurt to try this.

JT should work on his 2 footers (it makes me chuckle when I say this), but seriously I like the kid, but it’s getting to the pathetic point.

Westphal, at training should work on defending the perimeter, pick and rolls, and then after them drills have everyone practice Free Throws.

I do like our aggresiveness though, and loved when Cousins fired up when he jumped for that lose ball and the Fakers jumped on him…or even that post move where Gasol flopped. With a bit of time and experience, he’ll be cleaning the floor with Gasol’s mop head.

Like not a horrendous game by far, but with some adjustment, and some hunger, I think we’ll ‘BEAT L/A’ at least once this year (Touch Wood)

by Slikk_J on Nov 4, 2010 12:41 AM PDT reply actions  

The thing with Omri is

twice this season, he came up big in the second half, and especially the 4th quarter.

But now, he received almost no passes in the third quarter, took just one shot (a miss), and didn’t play the fourth.

Head played well off the bench, and JT was good except for not making shots. Someone should really give him some training and make him change the spin on his shot, the arch of his shot, use of the backboard, whatever. With a little tweaking, he can make much more of these shots.

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by RikSmits on Nov 4, 2010 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

They could have found Omri better in the third

But the offense in general just unraveled in the third, where everyone was taking the first shot after one pass. Cousins, Evans, and Head were guilty of most of these bad shots.

As far as JT, it’s kind of like how Hawes looked on his post game: the footwork looks good, but the actual shot is awful. He seriously does not put enough arc on it, so it usually grazes across the iron the way Hawes shot did.

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by kingsfan300 on Nov 4, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was a good clean look Casspi got

and a few nice clean looks by Tyreke that front rimmed. You’ve got to understand that 5 minutes is an eternity and throw it into the paint and make some things happen when the jumpers stop falling. Unfortunately, Landry seemed to keep stepping farther out, a step at a time and Cousins wasn’t in during that dry spell.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

So

JT gets ten rebounds in twelve minutes and nary a mention? If the Brockness Monster did that last year we would have fifteen posts about what a beast he is so far. I think it is time for JT to move back into the starting lineup and have Landry coming off the bench. I cant stand the fact that Landry in the last four games is averaging 3.8 rebounds a game in 30 minutes, and at his best he plays adequate man defense. I think Houston knew what they were doing bringing him off the bench, and JT’s hustle, size, and defense are more valuable playing with the starters, in my opinion. While different match ups in different games will always determine how many total minutes someone plays, and definitely who plays the last few minutes of the game, I do think we would be better served defensively with JT starting, and Carl would be much more effective off the bench, where his one distinct skill of scoring can be highlighted, and his mediocre rebounding, poor passing, and adequate defense can be minimized.

by MichaelMack on Nov 4, 2010 1:27 AM PDT reply actions  

PW seems to be set

at experimenting with JT as a SF off the bench. Why he has suddenly come up with that idea a few games into the season is baffling. No injuries, a more or less set roster since the draft and the Dalembert trade, and now he’s trying to convert JT into a perimeter defender? WTF?

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by RikSmits on Nov 4, 2010 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is Carl not mobile enough to play small forward?

He seems to be the one PW should be experimenting with defensively. While his effort is always there, he seems to struggle defensively against different types of players, I would think he might be an option to play a little small forward, then we would have two of three long players (Sammy/DMC/JT) in more often.

by MichaelMack on Nov 4, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

JT did a GREAT job on the boards

not good – great. Those missed two footers when we needed them though? Ouch.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Man, if he could just master putting the ball in the hoop near the rim

With both hands, he’d definitely be Carlos Boozer-ish.

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Definitely.

One thing he still has not learned (and he could learn this from Landry) is to not waste any motion when he gets the ball inside. He still puts the ball on the floor unnecessarily way too much.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 4, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

DMC needs to learn that too.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

DMC does a lot better though

Especially with the way he finesses around the basket. Once he figures out NBA level defenses, he’s gonna be scary.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 4, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Once he figures out he can't A) finesse shots in the paint

and B) take 5 seconds to get up a shot, then I’ll agree with you.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Rec'd.

Basic fundamental footwork of receiving the ball, turning towards the basket and finishing. The Gasol brothers and especially Luis Scola are perfect examples of just receiving the pass and finishing at the basket. I haven’t really been looking for it, but part of it might have to do with him still jumping with both feet.

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by kingsfan300 on Nov 4, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

My friend was at the game and got his cowbell taken… unacceptable.

by Evan A on Nov 4, 2010 1:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Also have to say:

The way Luther Head played Kobe at the end was great. Obviously Tyreke was in foul trouble so Head had to and I thought Head just did really good.

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by caseycheesecake on Nov 4, 2010 5:39 AM PDT reply actions  

I've said it before

If Luther Head is your best defender at the guard spot, your team is in trouble.
And I mean no disrespect to Head; he is a good addition to the team, yesterday’s shooting notwithstanding.

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by RikSmits on Nov 4, 2010 5:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still waking up

I’ll have more thoughts later. For now though, I must comment that Luther Head looks remarkably similar to Crabman:

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by Exhibit G on Nov 4, 2010 6:40 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

The Rubber Band Man!

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly,Precisely,Irrefutably, Undeniably why the Kings lost to the Lakers...

Free throw percentage:

Lakers: 82%
Kings: 60%

Free throws made:

Lakers: 23

Kings: 14

Yes, that’s only a difference of 9 points and the Kings lost by 12. Add a made 3 pointer and you have a wash. The Lakers also made a laughable number of dish-dunks that the post players seemed clueless to defend every time. That the Lakers won by 12 in the second of a back-to-back and without Andrew Bynum makes this loss slightly less rationable.

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by Natomaser on Nov 4, 2010 6:48 AM PDT reply actions  

That's definitely not the only reason

The Kings were pretty atrocious guarding the Pick and Roll and the three point line. The Kings would’ve had to make 100% of their free throws to match LA’s total.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 4, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

To quote the gif above, "I ain't even mad"

The Lakers looked extremely good, really in sync, better, frankly, than they looked the past 3 years. And we looked like a young team that needs reps and experience, but can really play. Tyreke, DMC, Dalembert, Udrih, Landy, Casspi, Garcia — with contributions from Head, Juice and JT — these guys can play. We looked like we understood our roles. I am in no rush to have Donte back because Westphal has his hands full giving the core 7 enough minutes to get more in sync with one another and to understand their roles better. I walked away from last night’s game thinking Westphal was the perfect fit for us.

We looked like a 37 to 42 win team tonight, and I ain’t even mad.

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by Holmdel on Nov 4, 2010 6:50 AM PDT reply actions  

And 1

I want the ball in DMC’s hands in the post on every possession. That’s how good the kid is (moves, decisionmaking, passing, poise). And what an awesome feeling. This kid is for real.

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by Holmdel on Nov 4, 2010 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's very impressive for 5 games in

He might not be the fastest guy from free throw line to free throw line, but he’s extremely skilled around the basket.

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you think at this stage

He deserves higher than rank #5 amongst rookies?

by Slikk_J on Nov 5, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure

I haven’t had a chance to look closely at the numbers of the other guys, outside of Derrick Favors. But it seems about right.

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by otis29 on Nov 5, 2010 5:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

One comment about the Lakers

They aren’t messing around this year. I think Kobe knows that toppling the trio in Miami may push him into the discussion of “Greatest of All Time”.

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kobe would have to be pretty insanely amazing to get anywhere near "Greatest of All Time" status

don’t get me wrong, the guy is absolutely in the top 15 but there were some really really really great players in this league.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 4, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Top 15?

You’re nuts. He’s firmly put himself in the top-5. Another ring and he’s in the conversation for best ever.

And I hate the motherf#cker.

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agree, sadly

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by section214 on Nov 4, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

With Section here

When Shaq was killing the Kings in the early 00s, that was expected. It was Kobe though, who repeatedly broke our hearts with just ridiculous shots.

“Oh hey Doug Christie, you’re defending me pretty well. I’m gonna pull up 26 feet from the basket and shoot this three with your hand in my face. Oh my, it went in, nothing but net”

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by Aykis16 on Nov 4, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

He isn't Michael Jordan...

…but he’s come closer than anyone else has, or in all likelihood, ever will.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

And he’s what, 32? He’s still got a few good years left to win maybe 2-3 more championships, especially with the most important pieces of that team locked up for a while.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 4, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

It probably depends on how healthy Bynum is.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of the things that seemed different about the Lakers last night

Especially early in the game – they were dead serious. We’ve seen them come into Arco and throw their jocks on the floor and expect to win (which often works)…that was not the case last night.

I think this has everything to do with the LeBron/Wade/Bosh triumverate in Miami. If I had to read Kobe’s mind, I’d say he wants to take those guys down (and those guys only) in the finals.

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep -

Not often that a two-time defending champion gets to fuel themselves with the thought of being the disrespected underdog, but it appears that this is what the L*kers are doing. K*be may have figured out a way to keep his teammates as competitive as he is. Jerk.

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by section214 on Nov 4, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

This in turn could teach LeBron to take his head out of his ass.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the spelling of that team.

Because one of their championships should have an asterisk next to it in the record book.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 4, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do not agree

The current guy always seems that way. Think about history . . .

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by lietothegirls on Nov 5, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn't that mean that the current guy could never be the best ever?

How does that work exactly?

Actually, I’d say that a lot of older people are less likely to see a current player as better because they are jaded old fogies. :)

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by otis29 on Nov 5, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well he's firmly put himself in the top-5 Lakers of all time. I would hardly say he is firmly in the top 5 in the NBA though.

Shaq and Duncan both had their moments during the same period Kobe is playing in. Pretty sure you can make a case either way for Dream, Russell, Oscar, Wilt, and West. Would think Magic, Larry, MJ, and Kareem are absolutely ahead of him. Probably has bumped ahead of West and Elgin now although to be honest I don’t have access to stats and accolades at the moment.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 4, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can see there's probably no chance of finding common ground on this one

I’m not sure if it’s you just have an anti-Kobe thing going, but there’s no way you can decisively put anyone on that list in front of him, outside of MJ. I can see the argument for a few of those guys(like Magic or Bird), but not the rest of that group.

A few years ago, I’d have agreed with you. But what he’s done with this current Lakers team is pretty special stuff, and vaults him ahead of most of that list.

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I personally think you can still put Magic, Kareem, Bird, and MJ over him pretty decisively right now

I understand if you want to say he is top 5 right now but I would hardly say he “firmly put himself in the top-5.” I say he is clearly top 15 (although in reality probably top 10 but I wasn’t exactly counting when I made the first comment) because we also don’t know what could happen, heck the Spurs for all we know could beat the Lakers in the playoffs (doubt it but still can happen) and we would talking about Duncan.

Either way though, I personally have a very very very hard time ever seeing Kobe in the discussion for “The Greatest Player of All TIme” unless he starts breaking out with some amazing playoff games like MJ. Again, not trying to knock Kobe but MJ in the playoffs was just a completely different beast than anything we have ever seen. I respect how Kobe made the best of that horrible shooting performance in Game 7 last year but I am in awe by what MJ has done (and I hated MJ, always rooted against him but man oh man that guy was just unbelievable).

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by wallywagon11 on Nov 4, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

and yes

apparantly I only do things in lists of 5

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 4, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would agree

Except that Kobe isn’t the most important player on the Lakers this season or last. Gasol is. To be a top 5 guy, I don’t think you can be the second most important player on your team.

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by Exhibit G on Nov 4, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's nonsense

Gasol’s important because any championship caliber team needs a high-level second banana (and often a third).

But make no mistake, Kobe’s still the most important player on that team. Watching that squad with him on the floor versus without him should clearly show it.

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kobe is absolutely an amazing talent

Positively transcendent.

But lately, Gasol has been more important to that team.

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by Exhibit G on Nov 4, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

This akin to saying Pippen was more important to the Bulls than Jordan IMO

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Forgot an "is" in there...

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

If I believed that, I'd say that

I think an injury to Gasol would be more detrimental to the Lakers right now than an injury to Kobe.

I know that I probably won’t convince you of my view, but I honestly believe it.

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by Exhibit G on Nov 4, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Losing either Gasol or Kobe

means this team won’t win a championship. How bout that?

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by Aykis16 on Nov 4, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

And we don't have either

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by section214 on Nov 4, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

This.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Based entirely on last night, I'd have to agree

The Kings were only able to make progress when Kobe was off the floor (particularly from the end of the 3rd quarter through the beginning of the 4th). He came back, game over.

by lead_pipe on Nov 4, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

By the way

the question of whether I have an “anti-Kobe” thing going is kind of funny given how much crap I’ve been given elsewhere for daring to say that Kobe is better than Drexler, Erving, and Pippen and apparantly he has no business being in the top 20.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 4, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Saying that Kobe is better than Drexler, Erving and Pippen

Is the equivalent to saying “grass is green”. You get no extra credit for doing so. :)

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

My take

-Luther Head is a chucker. Dude, when you’ve misssed three threes in a row, STOP SHOOTING THEM UNTIL YOU GET YOUR STROKE BACK.

-It is never a good idea to go 6+ minutes without a made field goal, or to miss 13 in a row. Against the defending champs, it is a disaster.

-Tyreke needs to stop being lazy on defense.

-Practice today needs to be held at the freethrow line. Everybody makes 20 in a row or nobody goes home.

-Our guys were getting mugged in the paint and the refs swallowed their whilstles.

-Seeing Derek Fisher get hit in the nose and almost crying on camera brought back fond memories of watching that team’s last game the year they didn’t make the playoffs. Good times.

-They can say there’s no rivalry all they want, but these wins mean something to them given the way they celebrate once they’ve won.

-At some point I’d like to see what a Dalembert-Cousins duo could do. Just for fun.

-Was I the only one hoping Garcia would plant a fist in Kobe’s smug face?

-L*ker fans in Arco and national broadcasts of these games in almost unbearable. Mark Jackson could have been reading a script that Kobe wrote most of the game.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 4, 2010 7:11 AM PDT reply actions  

-Tyreke needs to stop being lazy on defense.

I actually thought he was a lot more more aggressive defensively than usual. Maybe I missed that.

-At some point I’d like to see what a Dalembert-Cousins duo could do. Just for fun.

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by chenp22 on Nov 4, 2010 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Most of his fouls

Were from swiping at the ball/shooter instead of staying in front of his man. I actually thought he did better after turning his ankle than before, but still not stellar.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 4, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

The swiping was pretty bad

Against Kobe or any other star in the league, the refs are gonna call that about 150 % of the time. It’s all I kept thinking as he continued to rack up the fouls. Staying in front of his man and contesting the shot should be his priority; he also needs to live with the results if the guy hits a contested shot, and not be so impatient and start trying to swipe at the ball.

Honestly, I don’t mind when he tries to go for the strip because of his long arms, but I think he needs to study his opponent’s weaknesses more to be able to do that; he’s not going to get by on his physical gifts alone, which is what most people are saying here.

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by kingsfan300 on Nov 4, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

If your going to swipe at the ball you need to be swinging your arms up.

As the shooter brings the ball up to shoot, the refs are looking for contact accross the top of the hand or forarm. If you have your arm below the shooters you can bring it up from below and catch it coming up off the bounce or from underneath as the shooter brings the ball up to shoot.

Otherwise, you need to stay in front of your man before and after he shoots. Very few jumpshooters get blocked away from the basket. Trying to block a shooter is a suckers bet, your going to get called for a foul at least 5 times for every block. That’s 10 FT’s or more for every block.

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by HighTops on Nov 5, 2010 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Curious how a guy whose role it is to shoot from the outside and stretch the defense

Is going to get his stroke back by not continuing to shoot??

Everything else I agree with.

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some nights you just don't have it.

And while I understand that shooters have to shoot their way into a rhythm sometimes, most of his threes were early in the shot clock and way off target. Way off. There were better offensive options. That stretch of 13 missed FGAs, he had at least three. That’s when we fell behind after taking the lead. That was part of the 6+ minutes without scoring.

Like I said, there were better options on those posessions. He was trying to do too much instead of playing in the flow of the game, which until then, was going pretty well.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 4, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

He missed a few shots badly

But I didn’t see him taking a bunch of shots where he wasn’t open. And in the NBA, if your shooter gets a wide open three, he takes it.

Having said all that, I think the inability to mount the slightest bit of a defensive presence around the arc was more of a killer than that stretch of missed field goals.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Looking at the box score

We made one more field goal than they did, but took seven more shots. They made five more threes than we did. I figure that’s a net gain for them of three points.

So while I deplore our inability to keep people from getting wide open looks from beyond the arc, I would disagree that going scoreless for over six minutes was less of a problem.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 4, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right, If you haven't scored in a few minutes

You throw it inside and make something happen in the paint, you don’t heave up 3 pointers. e have the bodies to do that now. Of course I think JT did shoot two from in the paint during that stretch . . .

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by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I loved seeing Cisco turn on Kobe last night

I think over the course of the season Cisco is going to be very important, you can see already five games in he is the emotional leader of the team, and we absolutely need his outside shooting and pesky defense.

by MichaelMack on Nov 4, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

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