How DeMarcus Cousins Has Put the Kings in a Tough Spot
Given that DeMarcus Cousins has been fined and kicked out of practice by his coach some 15 games into his rookie season, that headline is pretty silly, right? DeMarcus Cousins has put the Kings in a tough spot by living up to his reputation, a reputation he (and the Kings, publicly) swore was false.
The Kings are in a tough spot, because they have promoted the Hades out of this kid, and this kid is apparently turning Paul Westphal's life into Hades on Earth. Every man is responsible for his own actions, and Cousins is to blame for acting unprofessionally at practice. But the Kings fed this when they pumped him up with extranormal attention and confidence.
In other words, there aren't banners with Derrick Favors' face hanging off the side of Newark's skyscrapers.
The Kings fed Cousins' swag, and maybe he would still feel above the (coach's) law regardless, and maybe the net impact (in season tickets sold, or whatever) is such that it's still a good bet by the franchise to overpromote a young, young rookie with some question marks.
But here's the other tough spot: the Kings are stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to handling Westphal's future going forward.
Two pieces from Sam Amick's FanHouse write-up on the latest Cousins incident are vital. They are both in this paragraph, and I have bolded them:
Westphal's coaching seat might have been red-hot right now if not for the fact that his $2 million contract option for the 2011-12 season was picked up following the Kings' 25-win season in 2009-10. As it stands, he has quite the task at hand not only to connect with Cousins but a number of his teammates who are privately grumbling about the steadily declining situation.
Had the Kings not picked up that option, the only financial cost of firing Westphal would be the nominal raise they'd offer the new interim head coach, who would almost assuredly be Mario Elie. But the Maloofs did pick up the option; now, if they fire Westphal midstream or at season's end, they must pay Westphal $2 million next year and the new coach his new salary.
Is that small potatoes? It should be -- Antoine Wright basically earned half of Westphal's 2011-12 salary for a whopping two points this season. Westphal's 2011-12 salary is about 4 percent of the team's payroll ... and, mind you, the Kings have one of the lowest payrolls in the league. In the grand scheme of running a modern NBA team, $2 million is almost nothing.
That's not how the Maloofs see it, of course, and who could blame them? But, Amick's almost assuredly right: that 2011-12 salary is a big barrier to replacing Westphal now, barring outright catastrophe. Does Cousins qualify?
And there's the hard place: if the Kings fire Westphal once it's widely known he severely clashes with Cousins, the decision can do nothing but embolden Bad Cousins, which is the worst thing possible for the kid's career. That may seem like Around the Horn-like overblown commentary, but really: what we know about Cousins shows that he takes a foot when offered an inch. From shot selection to these dealings with the coaches -- he's not shy about throwing his weight around, right? Vanquishing a coach Cousins clashes with won't do anything to help tamp down Cousins' ego.
That's where that second line of emphasis from Amick's piece comes into play. If more of the team -- Tyreke Evans, specifically -- sours on Westphal, the franchise has more cover in canning the coach without appearing to cave to the rookie. It's not foolproof, because, well, Evans isn't going to get himself kicked out of practice or fined for screaming at Daniel Shapiro. That's not Evans. And, as we all know, Evans isn't exactly the most calculating speaker when the media shows up with recorders. If Evans' frustration about Westphal comes to light, it will be through anonymous sourced reports, and those will do only so much when it comes to turning COUSINS DEFEATS WESTPHAL into KINGS GIVE UP ON WESTPHAL, which is, in my opinion, necessary for the Kings to actually can Westphal.
I note again that I'm not convinced firing Westphal solves anything, though I don't think he's so good or promising that he deserves special consideration. His handling of the Spencer Hawes benching last year -- when, remember, Evans had made identical comments, but suffered no punishment -- weighs heavily as the Cousins era comes into focus. Westphal is smart enough to know which stars shouldn't be messed with, but can't quite figure out where to draw line in the grand scheme. Does anyone think he'll figure it out with this cast of characters yankin' his strings?
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Gee, let's stop and think,
he’s a 20 year old kid that has been given a shitload of $$$ and has been (figuratively) told by management (Maloofs) that he is one of two faces of the franchise. He had questionable attitude when they drafted him. No wonder he can’t get his head through the doorway to the practice facility. They even hired a special coach (baby-sitter) for him.
On the one hand it’s deplorable behavior, on the other hand, can you blame the kid? He hadn’t yet played an NBA game and he’d already been told he was the future of the franchise.
Maybe it’s time for the Maloofs to stop going for the P.R. home run and back the coach.
P.S. A good butt chewing from mom wouldn’t hurt either.
Purveyor of Bull Plop
I don't blame them for the PR push
They saw a fanbase starting to rally again—and one that erupted in applause when Cousins was drafted at #5. Considering the always-looming arena issue, I don’t blame them for trying to take any hint of community energy and support and trying to run with it.
by LPKingsFan on Nov 30, 2010 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Personally, I feel the Maloofs are
more about form than substance.
Purveyor of Bull Plop
by SayWhat? on Nov 30, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
and you would think they were absolute substance if they lucked into the first pick every year
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
On the one hand it’s deplorable behavior, on the other hand, can you blame the kid? He hadn’t yet played an NBA game and he’d already been told he was the future of the franchise.
Every top draft pick is considered the future of the franchise. You can very well blame the kid. Now you are right though, we should have been aware of his questionable attitude going in so it shouldn’t be a big shock. Here’s hoping this stuff isn’t catching the team off guard and they feel confident in how to handle it.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
Good question
Wasn’t he brought in to make sure this didn’t happen?
That might turn out to have been a curse rather then a blessing
just speculating (so I am probably wrong) but having a coach who has no experience in professional basketball just to help out with a kid he has known for years and has a lot of emotion invested in is not a great thing for a team. Assistant coaches are suppose to be yes men in front of the team, when a coach makes a decision the assistants must agree with it and support it always in front of the players. If this guy hasn’t agreed with Wesphal on certain things, specifically concerning DeMarcus, who is to say that he tells Cousins that he thinks the coach is full of it behind closed doors?
If this is the case then when things like this happen having a guy like Hughley is useless, he can’t hope to control Cousins if he cares about him too much to not side with him when he tussles with the coach.
Wasnt Hughley
Supposed to be a main fixture at a summer skills camp for NBA bigs?
I think he was, don't know why exactly
I really think it is a conflict of interest to hire a coach when the reason seems to be to appease a player. It caters to players who often haven’t done anything to deserve it and can undercut the authority of those already situated.
Not only because he was a friend of Cuz
Hughley was a coach a Pete Newell’s Big Mans Camp for many years and was one of the reasons why Cuz was as good as he was going into college.
And, considering that JT still needed to refine his game, and we added Cuz and Hassan, adding some one with his background wasn’t a bad idea.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
I stand corrected on his credentials
wish I saw it paying off a little though.
The history does bother me though, I really don’t think someone emotionally attached to a player is a great thing for a team concept especially when the player has a reputation of being tough to deal with.
you're assuming
that hughley hasn’t done his job. How do we know that his presence hasn’t kept DMC from getting kicked out repeatedly and suspended at this point?
Fair point
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
I'm not assuming anything
I’m just raising it as an issue, and surprised it hasn’t come up one way or another in the discussion already.
like or dislike PW
i think you have to back the coach. DMC needs to grow up.
by ziggie on Nov 30, 2010 8:17 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Cuz knows that this kind of rep hurt him in the draft
He may not like it, but he also has to know that a bad reputation is going to hurt him a lot more in the long run than it will the Kings. I know he doesn’t have a Team Cuz, like Evans does, (what is it his sister living with him?) But hopefully Mom gets on the phone and jumps his butt, along with his agent and everybody else who cares about him. Honestly, it doesn’t matter whether he is right and PW really is at fault. Because right now, anything he does is just going to make other teams look down on him even more which will hurt his value down the road. He may be too young and stupid (they seem to go together) to see this, but his handlers know.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
I don't quite see that happening. I have a hard time seeing Cousins being wired like that.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
I was thinking about this the other night as well
I figured DMC would be on his best behavior for a good portion of his rookie season – if for no other reason than to prove the doubters wrong. Now, would he be able to sustain that long term if he’s really a “problem child”? No, probably not.
So if he’s not able to keep himself on the straight and narrow this early into his pro career….?
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Steal of the draft for sure but.
Who knew?
by OrangeLazarus on Nov 30, 2010 8:28 AM PST up reply actions
I was harping on it all pre-draft
but you guys always said NOOOOO you can’t pick Fields # 5
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Ok I might be lieing
I may have started espousing it as 9:05 on 11/30
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
The ONLY guy I ever saw pumping up Landry Fields
was Dalt99. I believe that he was the only one to have him relatively high on his rankings, while most other so-called “experts” didn’t even have Fields in their top 100. If anything, this just makes me trust in Dalt’s ratings even more.
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Andy Sims wanted John Wall!
We should have just picked him again at #5.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
this site has become pathetic
endorsed ads for Samsung, Ziller’s campaign to get Westphal fired, making mountains out of every mole hill. Ugh.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
I suggest
you go somewhere else if you don’t like it.
More seriously, the other place I used to read Kings stuff on was waaay more ‘mountainy’ and full of hyperbole compared to here
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Nov 30, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
the place I've been going to for the past 5 years was waaaay less hysterical than StR is
it was StR
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Having a bad season’s worth of wins over a 2+ year span tends to do that to you…
by chri5 on Nov 30, 2010 9:13 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
that's what you get
when you get yourself an editor on the cheap, a non-stop rotation of commenters with an overall lack of talent.
Wow, this blog is like a micro-cosmos of the Kings.
Dunking Dutchman
by RikSmits on Nov 30, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I got the sarchasm
i thought it was rather funny as well
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Nov 30, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Uhhh
Every time I’ve written about Westphal in the past week I’ve said something like “I don’t endorse his firing” or “I don’t think firing him solves anything.” But it’s an overwhelming storyline right now, and to ignore it would be to ignore my duty as a Kings blogger.
by Tom Ziller on Nov 30, 2010 9:02 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I'm with you TZ
Although, people are going to read what they want to read, even if its far from reality.
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
right, but there is the Sincerity Quotient
It’s like Fox News inundating viewers for a week with Swine Flu hysterics, asking questions like “WILL IT KILL US ALL?” and then ending each segment with, "Personally, we don’t think there is any cause for a panic.
Is it really an “overwhelming storyline” right now? Was it a week ago? Or are you hysterical.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
So let me get this straight
We have a Kings team that has lost 4 straight games (I believe 10 out of 11) with a player getting kicked out of practice, players bickering on the court, rumored frustrations about the coach, rocking a 4-11 record during the weak part of the schedule, and somehow two posts in two days titled “How DeMarcus Has Put the Kings in a Tough Spot” (Yeah because that reeks fire PW!) and “Paul Westphal Approaching Dick Motta’s Mark” constitutes inundation? Are you serious?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
There are more questions and comments about PW than anything else.
Anything and everything is going to be seen through that lense. The team is on a major losing streak as Wally points out and PW may be the most losingest coach in Kings history, per 100 games as has been posted.
This is a big damn deal. I agree that this is the hot point and top issue for the Kings. If you get tired of reading what everybody else is interested in then just check out and don’t post. I do that.
Posting that TZ is just hysterical is insulting and rude.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
my apologies if I've been rude
but my take is TZ is on a campaign to get PW canned (see his tweets, if you’d like to add to what he’s posting here), I think it is misguided and egotistical, and he’s abusing his forum. I resent it, and when he as the “reporter” is creating the story (“I know what it looks like when a Kings coach is about to get fired and this is what it looks like”) and then feedign the story all week, I find it insulting to my intelligence.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
you must have really hated Grant last year
while he demolished Kevin
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Nov 30, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
no, it's quite low
but still capable of feeling insulted
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
by Holmdel on Nov 30, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I like PW, I like his big picture vision for the team, I like his emphasis on mental toughness
I think structure and stability is incredibly important to a young team, and I expected that there would be growing pains.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Huh?
I like PW, I like his big picture vision for the team, I like his emphasis on mental toughness
Where the hell do you see a “big picture vision”!? All I have seen is terrible rotations and benching players without disclosing the true reasoning behind them. Maybe there is an “Emphasis on mental toughness” by not allowing the team to feel comfortable with their roles, but even that’s a stretch.
I was uncool before it was cool
Interesting take
I expected to see structure and stability as well, but still see wacked out rotations with little to none of that. I guess I expected to see improvement and don’t. I think this warrants some criticism.
PW is not, IMO, implementing structure and stability. He is implementing chaos with change as his hallmark and randomness his friend.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
What is his "big picture vision" for the team ?
Because I have honestly never heard of it.
What IS that picture????
I seriously have no idea what you are talking about.
funny, Kromeace
But to answer Hoops Mike’s question:
It is a team of guys who give Thunder Dan Majerle effort, who play defense really tough, who don’t make excuses, don’t whine, who play smart and know their roles, and who, above all, are mentally tough and do not shrink in the biggest moment.
PW’s favorite story is the one about how when Majerle was a rookie on the Suns with their first rounder Tim Perry (from Temple), Perry was the better athlete and on all accounts the faster player, but if you put them both at one baseline and had them race to the other, Majerle would win. Out of sheer competitiveness, he’d win.
That story tells a ton about who PW is and the players he wants on his team. I think he’s a big fan of Popovich and ultimately wants a team of guys with Tim Duncan’s mental approach to the game.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
As big of fan as you are of PW
Defining player’s roles is something he has proven awful at over the last one hundred games, and might end up getting him fired. As much as you want to vilify TZ for leading the drumbeat for his departure, you have blinders on to think that PW has shown vision and stability in his tenure here.
by MichaelMack on Nov 30, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
How can that possibly be a real 'vision'
…if he hasn’t identified ‘roles’ after 100 games?
Until about 5 games ago this team hadn’t really played any defense at all.
this might be the most difficult team for purposes of defining roles in the NBA
Outside of Dali, Landry and Cuz, is anybody’s role really obvious? Has anyone really established reliability in a given role?
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Beno = NaPG, Head = NaPG, Jeter = NaRP
Rotation Player for those who hadn’t guessed.
And, does this have anything to do with our current situation. And, if it does, who’s to blame? PW, GP or the Maloofs?
These and other questions will be answered in the next episode of As the Kings Turn, and leave Sac.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Blah , blah , blah
I think holmdel might be westphal
by 9K1NGS6 on Nov 30, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ding, ding, ding!!!
we have a winner!
(why did it take you guys so long?)
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by Holmdel on Nov 30, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I had a feeling it was Paul
I hope you guys aren't trying to have me get a virus, thats f'd up - MarcusC
Ziller's not a reporter though.
He’s a blogger. That means he’s going to state his opinion.
And if you haven’t read, his opinion is “Westphal isn’t doing a good job. But firing him solves nothing, really, because our team still sucks”
Author of the Pick and Scroll. Follow me on Twitter here.
He's
too busy working on his conspiracy theory to actually pay attention to what is really being said. Ziller could bold type “I don’t want PW fired” and he would still draw his own conclusions. How dare we discuss pertinent situations when they arise!
I was uncool before it was cool
by Dirkula on Nov 30, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
read his tweets, then get back to me
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
And where do his tweets say he wants PW fired
instead of “Man this guy really isn’t doing well at his job”.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 30, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 30, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
the two tweets on the right side of the page of Amick's FanHouse article (linked above)
are “Thanks to boogiecousins, the Kings can’t fire Westphal” and “Can we trade coaches? Can we trade PW for Spoelstra”
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
wait, seriously?
that’s it? those are the tweets you are talking about? really? Really?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
the only point about the tweets is that they belie TZ's stated view that he doesn't want PW fired
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Um
Because of DMC, the Kings can’t fire PW if they wanted to.
Oh no, someone would prefer Spoelstra! Holy shit! I can’t fucking believe it! How dare he have a fucking thought!
Let me put it this way, I am not the biggest PW fan and am not really worried about whether he gets fired or keeps his job this year. I personally don’t think he is the best fit but at the same time him getting canned isn’t going to fix anything this year. Not the biggest fan but I know I haven’t called for him to be fired.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
I made a trade PW joke yesterday too
Was talking to someone who blogs Blazers, and she was saying how Nate hasn’t been coaching well, and I tweeted back “Trade you”
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It seems like 98% of Blazer fans think they can coach the Blazers better than whomever the coach is at the time.
Comes with the territory I think.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
That does seem to be true
they see no faults in any of their players it seems.
I think it's more like 60% here.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Sorry "Holmdel"
but I am not your employee. There is no need to “get back to you”. Maybe you need to get back to reality.
I was uncool before it was cool
this is funny; no, I didn't mean "get back to me" like literally "memo on my desk in the morning"
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
I think it is misguided and egotistical, and he’s abusing his forum
LMAO. I wonder how one abuses a forum by posting articles. This might have to be my new sig line.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
No kidding.
I don’t know what this guy is smoking, but I have written opposing arguments because I don’t think you have been hard enough on Westphal.
Bizarre.
You cry more about this site than any other 10 people combined

Do you need assistance removing a bookmark or something?
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
by otis29 on Nov 30, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
I strongly disagree
This site has always been pathetic.
Maybe the issue is that you’re reading on an old monitor. Upgrade to a Samsung monitor and enjoy the vast difference in both picture and content quality.
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by section214 on Nov 30, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 15 recs
I Absolut-ly agree!
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
You sir are abusing your forum!
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
I believe if you research, you'll find
that this site was amazing and turned pathetic Jan 8th, 2009
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
what happened then?
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Check his profile
He makes a strong case.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
by otis29 on Nov 30, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You win smart dude of the day , Otis
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
very good
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Holmdel - diggin the way you have been defending yourself even as I don't buy your take on TZ's conspiricy to get PW fired
You didn’t get bitter or lash out or turn tail and run or even worse start kissing the asses of the people who disagreed with you. Well done +1.
I’ve been following the Timberwolves, Rox and Blazers primarily on the SBN and Truehoop networks and the similarity between whats going on at StR and the other sites is for all practical purposes identical. Dave, one of the editors at BEdege had an excellent post he put up before mid night last night that lays the issues out very well.
For fans of bad teams it always comes down to bad coaching and lack of talent on the roster. The names change, the writing in the comments is either better, worse or pretty similar to what is found here. If you took any team reference out of the comments, you would be unable to tell which team is being written about. Blah, blah, blah.
As fans we are so impotent and unable to have any real voice in the actions the team takes that we all end up making the same comments over and over again. Fan frustration reigns supreme in Portland, Huston, Sacramento and whatever city they have in Minnesota (or it has been) and as the losses mount we are reduced to bitching about the GM, the coach and the players and the comments get more strident with each loss.
If history is any guide, what will happen next is that we will start to attack each other and as the losses inevitably mount those personal attacks will get more pointed and bitter. If the team makes a trade at the deadline we will all take a deep hopeful breath and take a little time out from trying to jam our hateful poorly thought out comments down each others throats as we wait to see if the team got any better.
We will be in the acceptance faze well before the start of the NCAA tourney and will then start arguing knowingly about which first round pick will transform the Kings as we rebuild relationships here that got a little tattered during our collective meltdown. As the finals play out during spring we will wait with baited breath to see where the lottery balls and then will have a terrifically entertaining run up to draft night when we will actually have something to talk about just in time for the…………………………LOCKOUT. Crap, what are we going to do in the summer of 2011?
That’s the way it’s going to go Kings fans cuz that’s just the way we roll at StR. Bluejohn says book it!
It’s the players job to keep the coach happy, not the coach’s job to keep the player happy. - Paul Westphal quoted from The Purple Panjandrum
by Bluejohn on Nov 30, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
thanks for the dig, and your post has a lot of truth
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Not saying its right, but these things happen.
Look at whats happening in Miami. 3 veteran superstar players seem to be clashing with their coach. Frustration with losing causes these things to happen. Granted, they are doing it in a more mature way, but their are subtle shots given to Spoelstra. Look at how frustrated we are with whats going on? Imagine how much worse it is being a player, in that situation?
But, I do feel this adds weight to the fact that we need to trade for some proven vets who can help mentor and put some of the young players in their place if they act up. Easier said than done, but if Petrie can get something like that done, I think it will help the team in the long run.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
If Spoelstra gets canned, I'd be down to pick him up.
I think he’s a good coach, but he’s dealing with a crazy situation.
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
by tomroadrunner on Nov 30, 2010 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
I agree about the veteran presence
But I have a question that maybe someone can help with. Shouldn’t Dalembert be providing some of that already? I understand it’s not the same as having a true floor/locker room leader like Billups on your team. However, mentoring the young bigs in matters of professionalism was part of the appeal of getting him and not solely blocking shots. I’d like to know if he’s participating at all in matters of coach/player relations and if not how the staff can can get him more involved there.
by thekangarooster on Nov 30, 2010 11:25 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
fire westfall!!NOW!
First off it was a mistake picking up westfall through 2011-2012-magoffs did that.what did he do oh yeah we won 12 more games that year before.also spencer hawes was saying this to coach last year so do tyreke. hawes gets benched ,tyreke does not.this coach is bad for our team yes cousins is a young kid with alot of money but the signs were there before we draft him.so our team is really messed up now but before this it was still messed up and getting worse.fire westfall and let mario take over.looks like we will be picking in the draft this year at 1 or 2?
by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Nov 30, 2010 8:38 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
please,
stop with the ‘magoofs’ instead of Maloofs. it makes you look like a 13 year old hating on “Micro$soft”.
While you’re at it, better punctuation (spaces go after periods and commas), and capitalization (the first letter of each sentence is capitalized) will really help the readability of what you are writing.
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Nov 30, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Not much point in replying
I don’t believe he’s ever interacted with anyone on the site. Just pops in occasionally to leave the same messy post.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
by otis29 on Nov 30, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I think he is just a teenage kid, maybe we shouldnt be so harsh
by MichaelMack on Nov 30, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
See, I pictured an overweight truck driver with a Budweiser in his hand
Whose kids just taught him to use the internet.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
He posted magoffs not magoofs
What’s a magoff?
Sounds like a battle between wizards
Magic vs. Magic! It’s a mag-off!
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 30, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
The 96?
The year you were born or your IQ?
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Or...
slightly below average for a dolt!
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
nice word play!
"every once in a while a kernel of truth...uhh... corn is revealed in my usual pile of poop" - betweentheeyes
Ummmm...
I believe Dusty is pointing out that the average adult IQ is 100, so telling someone their IQ is 96 is not a very potent insult.
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
I still want to know if that's your real e-mail address
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 30, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
cowboyron you probably comment over at the sac bee don't you
I hope you guys aren't trying to have me get a virus, thats f'd up - MarcusC
Losing breeds unhappy players and coaches
Kids get angry, frustrated, and upset. So do coaches. Perhaps PW has lost the team, perhaps the team has just lost too many games. Either way, I would be more concerned if no one was pissed off after losing this much.
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
by SactoRyan on Nov 30, 2010 9:02 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I have to disagree a little with some of this
The Kings are in a tough spot, because they have promoted the Hades out of this kid, and this kid is apparently turning Paul Westphal’s life into Hades on Earth. Every man is responsible for his own actions, and Cousins is to blame for acting unprofessionally at practice. But the Kings fed this when they pumped him up with extranormal attention and confidence.
In other words, there aren’t banners with Derrick Favors’ face hanging off the side of Newark’s skyscrapers.
I just can’t see how one could blame the Kings for “pumping him up with extranormal attention.” Favors, being the 2nd pick in the draft, is a large part of the Nets franchise whether there are banners around New Jersey or not. If he was getting kicked out of practice, Nets fans would be freaking out and people would be calling that franchise out. And I doubt Cousins all of a sudden is acting this way because he is in some banners. Top lottery guys see where they go in the draft, they see how much praise they receive for their potential and know there place, how they are viewed. Whether there are banners around town or not, it is pretty clear that whoever we picked was going to be considered a major building block of the franchise, someone we really need to depend on to be competitors down the road.
Sorry but this is the same kid we saw on draft night and the Kings marketing department did not somehow change him. The Kings might have actually tricked people into thinking DMC does not really butt heads with coaches or maybe people just wanted to believe.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 9:04 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think the point made is fair
The Kings raised an already high profile for DMC. I don’t think that saying that contradicts your point about high picks already receive a lot of attention. You guys are actually closer to the same perspective, I think, than youir take on it indicates.
I do agree that this is the same kid. I doubt the Kings thought differently either.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I just don't see how the Kings fed this through the banners and promotional stuff. The kid is a cornerstone of the franchise solely by the fact he was such a high profile draft pick out of college.
But at the same time Ziller might be thinking of some behind the scenes stuff that he has heard about.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
Both your points are valid to me.
DMC was a high pick and that comes with media attention. He also came with some noted issues. The Kings may not have helped themselves in doing the big posters and media campaign. It just further elevates the media attention and anything and everything will be that much more magnified.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Furthermore
His play in Las Vegas and the attitude he reflected there allowed the team to let their guard down and feel confident in their decision. I dont think its their fault for trying to win some fans using him as a selling point. I for one, thought he looked fantastic. I realize Summer League doesn’t reflect the true quality of a player, but he looked pretty damned polished and stable.
I was uncool before it was cool
Unless the kid is a nationaly known college superstar
It is rare for a top pick to be given the kind of blatant advertising focused almost solely on him.
It is always hoped that a top-5 pick will become the cornerstone – but rarely expected so brazenly.
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
This was a kid who was known nationally as a college superstar
and again, I highly doubt the posters in town had anything to do with DMC’s attitude. I highly doubt they are responsible for him getting kicked out. Whether those posters are up there or not we the fans and the organization would be thinking of him as the second buildling block here.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
I'm bummed
I am convinced at this point that the team has some pretty rough chemistry issues, and probably some young guys with less-than-ideal makeups. And Westphal cannot, at this point, get things back where they need to be.
That Bulls game was really difficult to watch. It seems like Westphal doesnt handle many situtations well, and our players are not developing, for whatever reason. But worse than a crappy coach for the situation is that our two building blocks are acting like chumps. These are supposed to be the consolation prizes for horrible years of losing, and it’s looking like they wont offer much consolation. Shit.
DMC
Needs to be around a tough veteran big man. He is surrounded by kids, and thats doing him no favors. I feel if there was a veteran big in the locker room we would probably see less of this conflict with the coaches. Westphal is essentially teaching a class of Kindergartners right now, and you can ask ANY teacher just how tough that is. Especially if some of those kids have ADHD! lol!
I was uncool before it was cool
No
I don’t think Dalembert fits that bill. He doesn’t come across as being much of a leader and is from Haiti. I think Cousins needs someone with a little more of an urban, tough street vibe. Dalembert is still pretty young too. Im thinking more along the lines of a Ben Wallace type.
I was uncool before it was cool
"and is from Haiti"?
Which tells us what? That he cannot be tough, veteran or with an urban, tough street vibe?
Have you ever walked the streets of Port-au-Prince?
I’m not saying he is all that, but what has Haiti to do with it?
Dunking Dutchman
Meaning
that DMC cant relate to him and where he comes from. They probably have very different ways of doing things and a different mindset. Obviously Sammie thinks of more than just himself, however I don’t think DMC has that mindset, yet. He certainly clicked with John Wall, and I dont think he would have as much if Wall had been from another country. Nothing bad against Sammie or Haiti, just saying that DMC doesnt relate.
I was uncool before it was cool
Ok, fair enough
I personally don’t think someone’s different background is such a big obstacle for relating to someone. Olajuwon did fine with Howard and Whiteside (and no, I’m not comparing Sam to Hakeem), and I’m sure there are more examples.
Dunking Dutchman
I agree
Completely. Webber and Divac were a fine example of what you are saying. I just dont think DMC is mature enough to relate to someone outside his demographic right now.
I was uncool before it was cool
Could be
Still, they brought in Hughley. It’s interesting to know how much influence he has on DMC.
Dunking Dutchman
Too bad we didnt have Vlade back
He seemed like he could mentor anyone
by MichaelMack on Nov 30, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
I see what you are getting at (I think),
and I agree that DMC probably doesn’t relate to Sammy. But backgrounds aside, DMC clicking with Wall was aided by winning and them both being in the same spot in their career. DMC was not relying on Wall for guidance or vice-versa. Webber wasn’t relying on Vlade for guidance either as they were both established vets when they played for us.
Charles Oakley, as an assistant perhaps
But the generation gap may be too big, like with Truck Robinson.
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by kingsfan300 on Nov 30, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Oakley or Ewing
Would be great. And I wouldn’t worry about a generational gap with either of those 2. Truck played in the 70’s and his career was essentially over by the early 80’s. Im sure DMC had never even heard of him prior to coming here. The other 2 however, carry some clout, even to his generation.
I was uncool before it was cool
I would disagree about Oakley or Ewing
Don’t really know what Ewing did for Dwight Howard. Other than dunking on Brian and testifying in open court “the girls danced, started fondling me, I got aroused, they performed oral sex” I don’t see any benefits to that.
As for Oakley, he’s has been hangin with MJ for years now. If that doesn’t scream enabler I don’t know what does.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Perhaps a language/cultural divide is preventing Delembert from helping DMC
You need to find yourself a Marcus Camby, but no, you can’t have Marcus Camby.
Nicolas Batum is the future of the Blazers
Clearly, the answer is Garry St. Jean
Dip til I rip
by Muff209 on Nov 30, 2010 9:47 AM PST via mobile reply actions
"How can it possibly get any worse"
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by Aykis16 on Nov 30, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Hey, Saint was above the Motta Line. Westie might not be able to say that soon.
Other answer? Jerry Reynolds. And maybe trading for a vet and/or outside scorer. One of those 3.
Dip til I rip
by Muff209 on Nov 30, 2010 10:27 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I know I've said this before but
my step brother and I used to call him the mad penis because when he turned red in the face with his balding head he looked like … well yeah you get the idea. Needless to say, I’m immature.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
The Mad Penis is much cleaner than the words I shouted at St. Jean during the 90s
Close though.
Dip til I rip
by Muff209 on Nov 30, 2010 10:56 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
This is a tough place.
There are expectations of improvement for this team. Those expectations are what cause the issue. And I think what is at the heart of the issue.
There were expectations that we would be better defensively because Hawes was the cause of all our defensive woes and we got Dalembert.
We brought in Landry who is a low post scoring threat.
We got another high pick in Cousins who is considered a franchise player and cornerstone of the team.
We have young talent with another year under their belt and that should be showing some development. Both Donte’ and Omri both have talent and showed a lot last year. This year should be nothing but up for them.
We got Cisco back from injury and he really does shoot as well as K-Mart from the outside. Our outside shooting should be much better by adding him.
Beno showed a huge advance in his play last year and that seems to secure us some assurance that his play with Tyreke, really well last year, could do us some good.
I don’t know that the issue with DMC puts PW or the team in a worse or much worse position than the losing and that fact that the above gave us some EXPECTATIONS that are not being met.
Losing puts this team in the toughest place possible because everybody is going to be frustrated with not achieving what seemed likely.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I think it is how we are losing as well.
Its not like we are losing a lot of hard fought games, like we did last year, when it seemed we would have had more wins if we were more experienced finishers. This year, our team is playing such a messy brand of basketball, that it is disconserting. If we had the same record, but most of the games were a battle to the final minute, the tone on this board would be much different.
by MichaelMack on Nov 30, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed, and...
And who we are losing against. This is the easy part of the schedule. Many of us expected much better, but we are doing worse than last year against a similar quality of opponents.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Man o man, the Kings could use a win
in the worst of ways! And not a 82-79 bricklaying slugfest. But a convincing 112-99 showing over a quality team like the Pacers. Unfortunately if they play like they have been, they will get routed tonight.
I watched the IND-LAL game from start to finish and it was startling to watch the crisp ball movement, the offensive spacing, the poise and execution under pressure. The Pacers are everything the Kings aspire to be!!! What it is interesting is this team was just as bad or worse not too long ago. The main difference is the speed at the PG position in TJ Ford and mainly Darren Collinson to complement their size up front. Also add the Pacer front court defends without unnecessary fouls and plays within their limitations, something our bigs don’t do. But as a whole, the difference in talent level of the teams is not vast.
I am convinced that the recent turmoil is simply a manifestation of the losing and the frustration between coach and player and the ejection is a symptom of all these consecutive losses, not a wholesale inditement on the kids character. If a win or two were sprinkled in, mood would be lighter, patience and cooperation would be in greater supply, and this drama would not exist.
The solution is simple but far from easy: win.
I predict JT puts up 7 and 5 this year - Aug '10. (Current: 6.0 Pts 5 Rebs)
by bench_blob on Nov 30, 2010 10:33 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Perhaps the most cogent thing you've ever posted
The solution is simple but far from easy: win.
That’s the only thing that will help morale in the Kingdom. We can all talk about wanting to see competitive games, but we all want to see our team succeed too.
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Garcia?
Why have the Kings not tried Garcia at the other guard position next to Reke? I like his defense and he is a better scorer per minute than Head. I could argue he is also our best perimeter shooter.
I agree with you
I dont understand why we dont see Cisco starting at the two. Is it not out of the box enough for PW?
Because neither Garcia or Evans are quick enough to guard the PG's almost all of them
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No, but he knows his rotations, besides I believe Head is starting in the backcourt with Evans
And, Beno was part of the question. The question was why can’t Cisco start with Evans.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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Yeah, Indy is no joke right now
But agree with you completely. A win right now is paramount.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Winning cures all
Right now, every team I’ve seen has better ball movement and offensive spacing then our team.
Despite the losses, I keep seeing glimmers of hope, whether in a great pass, or some nice ball movement. And it’s those glimmers of hope that make me think that the team is not that far from turning the corner.
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by kingsfan300 on Nov 30, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Random trivia
Jim O’Brien’s father in law is Dr. Jack Ramsey.
Cue NBC “The More You Know” Shooting Star!
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
The coach isn't God almighty, especially in a player driven league
I’m not going to say who was right and who was wrong, since none of us know all the facts. But, to say that any player, young or old can’t become dissatisfied and disagree with the coach is nonsense.
Kids in college have to worry about their scholarships and so they buckle to the power of the coach. For any NBA coach to think that he has the same power over professionals with guaranteed contract, and skills that will make them valuable to the other 29 teams, is ludicrous.
The point that if Tyreke should feel the same way as DeMarcus, it would mean the end of Westphal, should make it very clear that this isn’t as much about DeMarcus as it is about Westphal. The only way this comes out to be a good thing for PW, is if DeMarcus was upsetting the other players and PW made the move to appease the other players on the team. If this was over simple head butting between DeMarcus and Westphal, the majority of the team could actually be on Cousins side.
Westphal has made too many bad choices regarding his players for me to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. From starting May and Mason and yes even Brockman, from punishing Hawes and no one else and then doing that rediculous dance to show some kind of solidarity, to calling Donte the 11th or 12th best player and then starting him again, to then benching Omri after saying he would start if we didn’t need him off the bench, and it goes on and on and on. PW screams that he needs consistency out of his players, but he isn’t consistent in his words or actions from one game to the next.
The only way the Kings and DeMarcus lose on this one is if the dispute came about because of Westphal’s giving Evans preferential treatment, that DeMarcus and the rest of the team feel is unfair. If that’s true, then we may be on the verge of another Shaq & Kobe melodrama, and that would make Paul Westphal the worst coach in the History of the Kings.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
LOL
Here’s another anti-Westphal poster, hoping the facts can be contorted to make PW the villain here, hastening his exit.
Carl Landry as much as said this morning on the Rise Guys show that DMC needed to be removed from the practice. Additionally, his support of Westphal wasn’t tepid, as a matter of fact it was pretty strong considering the discipline that had been meted out towards him of late.
You’ve gone into some convoluted explanation of what may have happened, when there’s a simpler explanation that makes much more sense: DMC is a young, brash kid with knuckleheaded tendencies who won’t keep his damn yap shut during practice and pisses everyone off, getting himself ejected eventually. His history would most likely back this up.
Again, I’m not a staunch Westphal supporter, but everything I’ve seen of DMC indicates he has behavioral issues and this is some necessary discipline. PW might be remiss in other areas, but I get the impression he’s handling the Cousins issue as well as he can.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
by otis29 on Nov 30, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
In HT's defense
as much as you can say it is probably DMC’s fault as he is a young brash kid with knucklehead tendencies, PW has shown that he can be very frustrating to play for. His rotations, substitution patterns, handling of players, it doesn’t seem a stretch for a player to get frustrated with him in practice, and I think that is all HT is saying. I don’t think he is being a PW alarmist.
by MichaelMack on Nov 30, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
I can see why PW is frustrating to play for
As a matter of fact, I can see how most NBA coaches are probably frustrating to play for. And PW makes plenty of head-scratching decisions.
However, DMC’s “red flags” were well known coming into the draft. His body language on the court and the rumors of his being difficult in general (not just with Westphal, but with the entire coaching staff) steers me in the direction of laying the blame at the kid’s feet.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
I agree with you
I think his body language is atrocious. His facial expressions make me think of a four year old. I was just trying to make the point I dont think HT is biased against PW.
I however,can’t stand PW, and all my posts reflect that.
I'm honored that you think that my Musings might actually be able to affect the decisions of the KIngs front office.
thanks for the info about Landry, I didn’t listen and hadn’t read that before.
Although you may fell that my opinion is convoluted, having read Kelly Dwyer’s article I find that PW’s handling of certain situation on the KIngs very similar to the ill fated handling of the situation in Seattle. And so, I don’t see how you can simply dismiss history, just because you are a anti-Cousins poster.
What you seem to neglect to acknowledge is that Westphal had other options besides dismissing Cousins. Wasn’t removing him from practice and sending him to work on his post game with one of the other coaches like Hughley, and option until they both calmed down?
I started by saying I didn’t know the facts and as such I wasn’t taking sides. But, since most people seemed to be siding with PW, I choose to defend the other side. So, in your eyes, like DeMarcus, I’m the bad guy. Now who’s the Hater.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Sorry, you make an inadequate martyr!
And I’m not saying you’re the bad guy, I just think you analyze data with a pre-conceived notion of where you want it to lead you.
I think you’re a great writer, and I love your game previews – but in my opinion, that tendency is the only thing that really annoys me.
Just my .02.
Are most people siding with PW? Not sure how accurate that is. I know I rip the guy plenty – I still hate his rotations and his tendency to juggle lineups based on small sample sizes. If they fired him and put Elie in his place, it wouldn’t be the end of the world IMO.
But on this one issue, I think he’s handling things correctly. DMC is brash and confident, and he’s clearly the kind of kid that will take advantage of a weak willed coach. So kicking him in the ass occasionally is most likely the direction PW should go. I highly doubt PW needed time to calm down, but DMC needs to understand the ramifications of his actions.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
winners and losers
I think we have to stop looking at it that way and think of them both as losers right now. I know your Shaq Kobe example was only a benchmark, but a rookie with a lame duck head coach is far from two HOF/MVP players fighting for Alpha Dog status.
Moving on, I think after a few more losses the only option is to let Westphal go and see what we have in Mario Elie. If we have ZERO intention of bringing PW back next season then we cant just go through the motions all year long watching a bad situation get even worse. PW has clearly lost the team and the worst problem is that they dont respect him. I cant picture a situation where the team comes back around to PW, barring a huge turnaround in the win column… which is a long long shot with the schedule and our current level of play.
The fact that we do have a coach with potential- waiting in the wings, makes this move even more cut and dry to me. Why not give Elie a shot to see if the players will play hard and listen and respect him for 3/4 a season, instead of waiting until the end of the season and then finding out Elie isnt the man at the start of a new season
But, to say that any player, young or old can’t become dissatisfied and disagree with the coach is nonsense.
I am not quite sure who has said that no player, young or old, can’t become dissatisfied and disagree.
Westphal has made too many bad choices regarding his players for me to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.
Other than the weird Hawes dance thing, not quite sure why all of this stuff is all that relevant to be honest. Don’t know the facts but I have a hard time believing DMC and PW were arguing over who was starting and whether Donte is the 11th or 12th man. Obviously DMC might be frustrated with the losses and overall weird rotations but I have a feeling something more immediate and DMC and PW’s back and forth was the real issue that got him kicked out (like maybe PW yelling at him for not doing something right in practice).
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
My examples had nothing to do with DMC's reactions, just my opinion of PW's decision making
As, I’ve tried to explain, there are ways of handling disagreements with employees other than kick them out of practice. There are ways of defusing issues before they escalate.
I just don’t believe that Westphal is totally blameless. My example pointed out times when I don’t believe he used good judgement. But, not knowing all the facts about the issue with Cousins, I’m neither excusing or blaming either party. And, as I pointed out it would be foolish for an NBA coach to believe that he has absolute power over his players, in a player dominated league. And, if PW thinks that this was the best way of dealing with the situation, then I’ll add this to my list of his poor judgements.
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No I would agree, I highly doubt Westphal was totally blameless
I just I just don’t care all that much about his level of blame in kicking Cousins out of practice. Of course I am making a massive assumption that nothing too egregious happened on both their parts(I can’t fathom anything more than a verbal arguement that esculated) I just don’t see the point of blaming him for esculating it at this point whether you are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt or not.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not willing or trying to assign blame either
But, Westphal is the adult in this instance. I can allow an arguement with my 20 yr old daughter to escalate, and then use my power to send her to her room as punishment. Unfortunately, that doesn’t solve anything and she doesnt’ learn anything.
As an adult or a leader you have to learn to anticipate the outcome and find a win to have it end with out the division between you and the other party from widening. Does anyone truely believe that DeMarcus and Westphal’s issues with other will be resolved because of this?
If the point of this was to help Cousins to be a better teammate, player or person, it’s a total failure. If the point of this was to show who is in control, than PW got his point across. Somehow I feel that the first objective was the better choice.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Not the right question
Does anyone truely believe that DeMarcus and Westphal’s issues with other will be resolved because of this?
Their problems will be resolved when DeMarcus starts acting like a responsible professional athlete. So it’s not a question of Westphal and Cousins resolving their issues, it’s an issue of Cousins realizing that it helps both him and Westphal if he succeeds as a professional player.
Again, your last paragraph is ludicrous. You don’t know how the discipline meted out by Westphal is going to ultimately affect Cousins, and you don’t know how your idea of handling him with kid gloves would have worked.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Seriously though
How in the world can you determine this as a failure? The Kings have played zero games subsequent to this – there’s been zero word from DeMarcus Cousins.
This is just more proof of your wishful thinking that everything Westphal does is going to fail. If you’re serious about evaluating the facts, you’d probably wait a few more days before determining “success” or “failure” regarding PW and DMC.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
And, why do you believe that there is only one way to handle this situation
and that is the way Westphal handled it.
I’m going with my 40+ years of dealing with people,( co-workers, employees, troubled teens and 20 year old children), and from my experience using your power to create a win/lose situation never turns out well.
And, as I have said already, the NBA is a player driven league. So, if DeMarcus doesn’t start acting like a responsible professional for the next 2 years, what exactly is Westphal going to do about it? He can butt heads with his and turn him into the next Marbury. Sit him for the rest of the season. But, in the end the Kings are not going to throw out Cousins just to keep Westphal. So, in the end the real outcome won’t be win/lose it will be lose/lose.
But, that’s based on my life experiences, and yours are obviously different, so I don’t expect you to see it my way. I’m just sorry that your so sure of yourself that you feel that my beliefs are ludicrous.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
I've been in management for the last 25 years
And I don’t think it has a darn thing in common with running a basketball team. And neither do your 40 years of dealing with people.
I’d put my ten years of coaching ahead of my experience in the business world when it comes to this subject. And it’s my opinion that some kids are going to respond better to a pat on the back, and some need a kick in the ass. That simple.
DMC is a kid who IMO is going to take advantage of a “pat you on the back” coach. He needs to have some structure and some discipline, and he needs to learn to respect his coach.
If DeMarcus doesn’t start acting like a responsible pro in the next 2 years…well, have you thought that the problem might end up being with Cousins, rather than the multitude of coaches who are trying to get the best out of him?
So far, it looks like Westphal’s method worked, at least temporarily. DMC played the best game I’ve seen him play, and with the most passion and least whining. And he said all the right things, and took the blame. Good on him.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Respectfully disagree
I don’t think the issues will be resolved “because of this” but at the same time I have a hard time saying it’s necessarily a failure.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
Again I don't know whether or not DeMarcus will become the perfect teammate after this episode
But, I expect him to say all the right things and smile, but I also believe that what ever problems he had with Westphal will still exist. And in that sense I think it will be a failure.
I liked Jerry’s comment that the only real control, is ‘Self Contol’. So, if PW feels he’s gained some kind of control over DeMarcus and the rest of the team by his show of strength, it’s delusional.
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when you punish a violation of group norms you reinforce group values
kicking DMC out of the practice reinforced group values and from Carl’s take was appreciated by the rest of the team
it also establishes boundaries
in my 100 years of management experience and 73 years of coaching, this is fairly uncontroversial stuff
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by Holmdel on Dec 1, 2010 7:04 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well his problems with Westphal would still exist either way wouldn't it regardless of how PW handled it?
I have zero clue if PW has gained control of DMC but if he was acting out in a way that they felt DMC should feel some sort of punishment, sitting out the rest of practice is a fairly small punishment. I am not sure if it is necessarily a situation where they thought they would control him or fix his underlying frustrations with PW but merely a quick and brief punishment. I have a hard time seeing why we need to chastise PW for kicking someone out of one practice (let alone do the same with Cousins).
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
Perfectly Stated
PW screams that he needs consistency out of his players, but he isn’t consistent in his words or actions from one game to the next.
Players do not have to like the coach for the team to perform, but there has to be a level of respect. That respect is lost with arbitrary record of decisions and substitution patterns. Player discontent, outbursts and private rumblings are inevitable. I still strongly oppose the decision to replace Omri as starter, including the DNP-CD, and JT at the ‘3’. Inexcusable and ridiculous. No wonder Big Cuz is questioning this guy.
I predict JT puts up 7 and 5 this year - Aug '10. (Current: 6.0 Pts 5 Rebs)
The Maloofs won't fire Westphal... yet
It won’t happen until Lebron fires Spoelstra and we can hire him.
A guy can dream right?
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by vfettke on Nov 30, 2010 12:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Carl Landry strikes me
as a very level headed player whose word on this matter should be trusted 100% as impartial and truthful. I also think he’s the last guy the Kings should be considering trading.
I disagree with ANY element of this situation being portrayed as difficult outside of the _losing_.
DMC is a 20 year old rookie. We knew he had some issues. This is not a surprise. The only issue here is the ‘over-the-top’ promotion of him. So what? That is not remotely un-fixable.
The only serious issue here is team performance. Winning solves everything. I’ll even go so far as to say that this season, entertainment and competitiveness would have been enough. There is now ample evidence that Westphal isn’t getting us there. Now – what to do about it?
The way I see it, if the Maloofs will unclench and get a proven guy in here – JVG, Mike Fratello, etc – then the staff CAN sit anyone on the team and ownership can stand behind the coach. The only reason this DMC issue is difficult at all is because we all know Westphal is interim. There is no way he is here in two years. There is no authority for him to stand up to players and have management seriously back him. If the players don’t believe that management will back the coach, then any threat seems pretty empty. Does anyone here actually believe that in a pissing match, DMC would get shipped out before Westphal??? No freaking way.
Now – if we had a coach that was getting anything at all done, I think you have a wildly different situation. I agree with the notion that the coach has to be the authority, both perceived and real, to handle personnel as he sees fit. That message must be reinforced from the top (Look to Utah – the absolute model), but all of this is contingent upon getting a coach that you view as a commodity. Does anyone (including the Maloofs) actually believe that we have that? Fixing the coaching situation is everything in my opinion. It is especially true with a young roster. This perceived desperation is a product of the Maloof’s frugality IMO. Fix the coach and the DMC ‘issue’ will become a non-issue.
by Hoops Mike on Nov 30, 2010 12:18 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Maloof's are the owners of this rudderless ship SS HWR
Everything that has happened they have set the course for these events. Getting a new ship or crew can help only if the owners quit picking Skipper’s’ and Gilligan’s to guide this tiny ship… at this point I would settle for more Ginger’s and Mary Ann’s, at least it would be easier to watch.
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
I hate 'em
If it wan’t for their meddling, this team would have left Sacramento 12 years ago and we wouldn’t have been subjected to any of this.
Bastards.
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by section214 on Nov 30, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Ownership was out of money and out of ideas
Anyone could have bought the team and moved them, and New Orleans and Memphis (among others) were said to have had interest at the time. The conventional wisdom at the time was the Maloof’s were going to relocate the team to New Mexico. You go back and source through the old Sacramento Bee’s – I have neither the time nor inclination to bring you up to speed on not so ancient history.
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Ownership was out of money and out of ideas
That made me laugh out loud! Brilliant ideas are promoting a kid who has done squat on the sides of buildings ALA King James! Ownership refusing to spend money on a quality coach and fires a winning coach!
conventional wisdom
Who’s? Yours? And the wisdom was wrong was it not?
I have neither the time nor inclination to bring you up to speed on not so ancient history.
Of course you do, and you just did… you love to read everything you write, you don’t fool me.
I shall ask again about Maloof’s responsibility to this whole mess… do you think the Maloof’s should not bear the brunt of this mess, that they are not responsible for all good and BAD that has happened? Being a season ticket holder and married to this business, I can see why you can only point out they have done well… I understand your situation.
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
One step forward, two steps back eh?
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Ownership was out of money back when the Maloof family took over, professor
You ask me a question, I answer it, and then you forget what you asked?
And I am not saying that the owners are not responsible for the current situation. I suppose that you can hold them as responsible for the squad that reached the Western Conference Finals. Equally accountable.
And that’s my point, really. Hold them fairly and equally accountable. If they are the reason that the Kings suck, they are also the reason that they are still here so that you can complain about them.
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And I am not saying that the owners are not responsible for the current situation.
Well Mary Ann (although ya might have some Ginger in ya) you are not saying that they are… I find it compelling that you will not come out and say exactly that. You are very evasive in regard to this. Humor me and say it… The Maloof’s are responsible for this whole mess of the last 5 years.
I will help you in this matter and I shall proclaim loudly… The Maloof’s are responsible for the Kings staying in SAC and for the winning seasons we used to have (see how easy it is?)… now it’s your turn :)
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
Hey why don't you make it personal while you are at it?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
With alld due respect,
I’m not the one that came into this thread spewing half the story – that was you. I’ve always felt that the brothers get too much credit either way. I’m an unabashed Petrie fan, but it has always irked me that he gets a pass when something goes wrong (with the fault going to the Maloof brothers), yet he gets the credit when something goes right. Do I bash the Maloof brothers? No – there is no need, as there are always individuals such as yourself providing that commentary, in bulk.
Now, in the past few comments that you have made, you have determined to get personal with me about my financial decisions, even surmising that you "understand my situation," and you have now said that I am a Mary Ann or Ginger. Had you gone down this path with a fellow member, I would have already banned you. But since it is directed at me, I’ll give you an opportunity to dial it back. Either get back on point and eliminate the personal commentary, or be gone. And be advised that this is not a negotiation. If your next response is to be of a personal nature, make it a good one, because it will be your last.
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I'm still trying to understand the "married to this business" portion of his comment
Wouldn’t being a season ticket holder would make you more likely to view things with a critical eye? You’re the one who’s decision to buy tickets each season is more likely to be based on the on-court product.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
solely to lob an insult
nothing better than the “I am not angry, I just pity you” insults
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Reflect
You don’t think you came at me… ever… first? (not making it personal, just asking and it is also my perspective) Snide remarks only amp the responses which brought us to where we are at today.
You allow other forum members to threaten to knock my teeth in, and that is much worse then anything I have said.
Tell ya what… I will wipe the slate clean if you can (serious I can do this) I am not a bad guy I just have a difference of opinion and others on here become way too snide with their responses. All I ask is for balance… if they come after me I have just as much right to come out swinging. If you feel the need to silence me then you do what you need to do and ban me forever. Other wise I would be more then happy to met ya for a drink (you buy the first round) and we can talk like two semi normal dudes and understand each other… it’s not personal, it’s just text on a screen… however we tend to take it personal (raises hand)
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
So the next time I feel like telling you your a girl and belittle you with fake pity
I’ll be sure to defend my actions by pointing out another time you made a snide comment awhile back.
Don’t get me wrong, go nuts and defend yourself, this just wasn’t one of those times.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
I'm big on commenting on the play, but not the player
So while I may have certainly had strong responses to your opinions, I cannot recall crossing the line into personal commentary – I certainly do not recall ever commenting on your lifestyle habits.
To wit, my original response to you in this thread was a response to a comment that you posted, and said reponse contained no personal attacks.
I’m certainly not perfect in this regard, that’s for sure. But that is my attempted approach.
I hold no personal grudge, and I welcome your input – this place would be pretty boring if everyone held the same opinion.
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To be honest
Section is the most respectful person i have seen on this blogsite. Right up there with tz .
Brilliant ideas are promoting a kid who has done squat on the sides of buildings ALA King James!
For the love of God can we stop pretending promotional ads featuring Cousins somehow damaged him? The guy doesn’t drive down 1-5, see himself on a building, jerk off to himself, and then say “I am fucking awesome and now I think I am entitled to EVERYTHING!!!!”
I shall ask again about Maloof’s responsibility to this whole mess… do you think the Maloof’s should not bear the brunt of this mess, that they are not responsible for all good and BAD that has happened?
Of course they are responsible for a ton of this mess, nobody said it any different they just factor in reality when they bitch about things. If the owners here realized earlier they needed to blow it all up they would have done things waaaaay different and we would be further along right now. Their investing in Vegas, selling their distributorship have also caused a great deal of stress on the basketball side of things. That being said, Section was right: the Kings could have very well been gone if the Maloofs did not buy the team. In the end they very well could be gone but he’s right.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
er
I know the distributorship had to be sold for liquidity purposes, just wish it didn’t have to come to that (and of course I am completely ignoring the fact everyone lost money during the downturn but remember, I am a moron)
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
New Mexico?
What, the Albuquerque Kings? I don’t see the “conventional wisdom” in that.
Give me two coconuts, seaweed, one electric eel and some common sense... and I will make a winning season for you!

Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
by kromeace on Nov 30, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
damn if only they tried to hire someone like Stan Van Gundy
of course they wouldn’t try something like that ever
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Tried being the key word
Had they really wanted him they could have landed him.
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
LMAO
I am guessing you might not have been paying attention to the NBA until about 6 months ago
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Way to revise history
But I’m sensing you don’t actually research your opinions:
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/01/13/stan-van-gundy-admits-to-dropping-the-ball-with-sacramento/
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
You are correct
So therefore I stand corrected on the Stan aspect… thank you!
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
So here we are now
All the crap and drama and finger pointing… so are you saying your buddies Maloof should not take any blame for all of this crap?
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
Lots of straw in here
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Dude...
I’m going to have to side with Section here; you gotta stop making this personal. We all understand your frustration with the Maloofs, but just because someone defends them does not 1) make them “friends” of the Maloofs and 2) wrong in their opinion.
I think the Maloofs are decent owners and I’m happy that the Kings didn’t leave Sacramento in the 90’s or I would have never became a fan. Does that make me a shill for the Maloofs?
by M. Thai on Nov 30, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
making it personal...
I tried not to however I allowed myself (Taking blame for that) to sling crap at others as they started with me (seems to happen often when one has a diff opinion then the club on here)
My point (obviously scripted poorly) was that it is just not PW’s, Reke’s, DMC’s etc. fault for much of what is going on around here (a ton of finger pointing going on withing this forum). I just feel the Maloof’s are getting off easy with the mess called the Kings. We used to have a winning record (Thank you Maloof’s) and the Kings used to be fun to watch (Thank you Maloof’s) however it all came undone by their own actions (Damn you Maloof’s) from the Rick fiasco all the way through the coaching merry-go-round to the DMC media fun, and everything in between. Much of what is going on should never have been given the chance to happen in the first place. (point fingers at them)
I hope that clarifies my stance some what… if not accept my apologies for not being able to state it any clearer.
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
Too me if the Maloofs have erred
it began with the stopgap measures like Ron Artest, as they tried to avoid a rebuild from scratch. They also get a demerit in the coaching problems the past few years. Once they embraced the rebuild GP tore down the salary structure from one of the top 3 (if I recall 2002-2004) to the very lowest. Now the Onus is directly on them nexy season if they refuse to spend. Not spending is not historically a Maloof trait.
Part of this could be attributed to their business issues but we have no way of knowing… I blame this 50% on Webber’s knee , early in a max contract.and the other 50% probably divided fairly evenly between Maloofs, GP and PW.
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by ElRonToro on Nov 30, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Too is appearantly my version of
the loose lose conundrum
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
So...
When exactly did Section “sling crap” at you?
Oh, and just stop with “the club” and similar nonsense. It’s so lame. Maybe when a large contingent is disagreeable towards you, it’s possibly due to your habit of spewing out opinion that has no basis in fact.
Everyone here gets called out for not backing up our shit from time to time. So maybe, I dunno, educate yourself if you want to debate something in detail?
How’s that for a plan?
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
by otis29 on Nov 30, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Confused
Not quite sure what the Rick fiasco is. Seriously I got no clue. Rick Fox? Rubio? Did you mean Reggie?
I also don’t understand what you mean by the DMC media fun. If you are pissed they drafted him in the first place I guess I can understand but everything subsequent with the media stuff didn’t really do anything.
I am more annoyed with the fact they didn’t embrace a rebuild earlier but maybe that is just me
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Looking back
Almost everyone agrees they put it off too long. I think the good times of that group that nearly won a championship were hard to completely cut ties with.
Some teams have been able to rebuild on the fly while staying competitive…this group just wasn’t able to make that work. And delaying that process has resulted in a longer timeframe among the dregs of the league.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
The Answer is Rasheed Wallace
Because ’Sheed is an extraordinarily talented and tough big man who (1) was a freaking head case early in his career with the Jail Blazers, (2) but became a team player and team leader with the Pistons, (3) is respected by players, and (4) probably recognizes that if he had gotten his act together sooner, he could have been a better player than he was.
Is this such a bad idea? I mean, who better than Rasheed Wallace to help make sure DMC has a better career arc than Rasheed Wallace?
by skyywise on Nov 30, 2010 3:22 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I don't know if this is practical or not,
but the idea and thought process is freakin’ brilliant. Reke’d for outside the box thinking.
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Personal opinion on Sheed
He really never changed or really got his act together. It’s just that the younger players coming up respected him.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Im with you on that Wally
I know he was a very smart player, and people liked being his teammate, but he was still petulant, and still played all last season with a beer gut.
Do as I say, not as I did.
Being somewhat of a bad boy is part of the reason it might work – DMC would tune out if ’Sheed acted like a boy scout.
I thought about his conditioning on the C’s last year, so one would have to hope he would tell DMC, “You’re just a rookie, so you still have to reach your potential and can’t just play yourself into shape.”
Honestly
I get the impression that Rasheed Wallace is about Rasheed Wallace, I don’t think he would be willing to coach to be honest with you. It might not be a bad idea for DeMarcus to get in touch with someone who has been there before though.
Back to the original question
TZ asked, “Does anyone think he’ll figure it out with this cast of characters yankin’ his strings?” The answer right now seems clearly to be NO! And, it is not just the current cast of characters (and characters they are), it is mostly because PW is making bad coaching decisions. Taking Dally out when he is defending the post for CUZ who fails to do so is dumb. Not telling Reke to keep practicing the outside shot in practice and not in the game cause it ain’t working is dumb. Not picking a line-up and sticking with it is dumb.
Hell, I’m not a coach and I’m not very bright and I can see the problem – why can’t PW? If your players are not listening to you because you keep switching the line-up and they can’t figure out when they will play, then fix it with a stable line-up. If your players are not listening to you because you keep saying they have to play better instead of accepting some of the balme yourself, accept some of the blame and gain their respect. If allowing Reke to keep trying to develop the outside shot cause other teams have figured out that clogging the lane makes it more difficult for Reke to drive the lane, but the outisde shot isn’t going in, tell him to go back to being a bulldozer in the lane because it will make him more comfortable and scare the crap out of the other teams to see a 260 pound, 6 foot 6 inch linebacker running at them at full speed. [And it doesn’t matter that he will pick up charging fouls – he’s already doing that].
The best thing PW has done is decide that defense wins games. The worst thing he has done is fail to figure out that stability in the line-up (or more accurately, failing to respect the player’s ability to do the job you are asking them to do) wins games. There are starters and there are bench players. B-jax was a bench player. Carl Landry is a bench player. One was the sixth man of the year and the other could be. Donte is a starter, Omri is not. Both can play well in their roles. Dally is a starter, JT is not. Both rebound well and JT gives you more offense (and more fouls unfortunately). DMC could be a starting PF or Center, but not right now.
PW played in the NBA, won as a player, and won as a coach. He simply needs to realize that he is part of the problem and part of the solution. I like PW’s attitude of asking players to do their job and think before acting. He just needs to adopt that same thinking for himself, and he will be able to coach this group of mostly kids into a team.
DMC needs to realize that this is the NBA, not college, and he is not the force he was in college. I recall the news story from earlier this year during the summer where Dally kept blocking DMC’s shots at will. If nothing else shows you that the NBA is different, that experience should. DMC needs minutes obviously, but he has to earn them. He doesn’t earn them by arguing with the coach (and as stated above, pissing off teammates [according to Carl Landry]). Sure PW is doing some stupid stuff, but DMC doesn’t get to criticize him – he hasn’t earned that right. Spencer had not earned that right and was benched, Reke had through his play, and was not benched.
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I'm honestly quite surprised how many people here are saying things like "Cuz was only arguing with PW because he's a bad coach".
Even if Westphal was the worst head coach in NBA history, the players don’t have license to argue with him when he’s trying to do his job. You can’t run a team as a democracy. The coach’s job is to coach (and, in theory, to win), and the player’s job is to do what they’re told and to play their best. If a player honestly doesn’t agree with what the coach is telling him during practice, he can certainly talk to the coach after practice, but it’s in no way okay to argue about it in the moment. What good could have come of that? What if Westphal said “Okay DeMarcus, we’ll do it your way. Clearly I don’t know what the hell I’m talking about, so what does it really matter”?
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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 30, 2010 7:23 PM PST reply actions
You're surprised that people think DMC has a right to argue with PW cuz he's a crappy coach?
I’m surprised by your surprise ASSN puns and joking aside.
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