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Kings 98, Pacers 107: Third Quarter Collapse

Once again, the Kings couldn't put a complete basketball game together, and it once again cost them the game.  For three quarters the Kings played as well as the Pacers, and perhaps even slightly better, but in the third quarter everything fell apart.  The team stopped moving the ball, the offense became stagnant, and the Pacers were able to get out into transition.  The Kings also consistently fouled shooters, especially around the basket, which led to the most "And Ones" I think I've ever seen in a NBA game.  The Pacers shot 34 FTs, 11 more than we took, and also managed to make 14 more than we did, as everyone who shot FTs for us missed at least one.

The biggest problem during that Second Half and especially during that disastrous Third Quarter (which saw the Pacers go on a 17-2 run in the first 4:36 seconds!) was the lack of ball movement.  In the first half, the Kings had 13 assists to only 4 turnovers, and Tyreke himself had 8 assists by the half.  Things were looking a lot smoother on offense.  But for some reason it all just stopped after halftime, with a lot more isolation and dribbling happening, as well as clearly not running the called plays (a player would have the ball, obviously waiting for others to perform their part of the play, which they didn't, and then be forced to either shoot or force a pass before time ran out).  The Kings only had 1 assist to 6 turnovers in the Third, and only 3 assists to 4 turnovers in the final period.

Defensively, the Kings had some problems defending without fouling, and preventing penetration.  Collison and Granger were able to get to the basket constantly, and we got lucky that quite a few of their kick out passes to wide open three point shooters like Dunleavy, Rush and Posey resulted in misses.  Nobody on the team was able to guard Granger, and I think the guy that actually did the best job on him was Tyreke, but he didn't see minutes on him until all other options had been exhausted and the game was already out of reach.  The Kings just weren't able to come back from that huge collapse and the Pacers won by 9.

Player Recaps and Kingsflix Video after the Jump.

Star-divide

  • Tyreke Evans looked like two different players tonight.  During the first half, he looked like everything I ever wanted him to be, getting to the basket, making smart decisions, and finding his open teammates wherever they were (at the rim, midrange, at the three point line).  His defense was also pretty good, as he kept Brandon Rush from doing anything.  But the second half was completely different.  He didn't react well to extra pressure from Indiana, and he seemed to stop looking for his teammates and started forcing a lot.  He was a complete non-factor during Indiana's big run, and he didn't really help at all during the fourth when we were trying to make our comeback, other than for some alright defense on Granger.  We can't win many games with our star himself not playing games consistently.
  • Beno Udrih was huge off the bench.  I directly attribute this to me yelling "Don't Suck" from the stands when he entered the game for the first time.  Also the fact that he was acting more like the Beno we like, getting free for jumpers off the ball and not forcing things by driving into crowds.  He did fail a tad as a facilitator, but he was playing so much off the ball that he can hardly be blamed for it.  He hit 2-3 from downtown tonight, which is a good sign.  Ziller has already documented that Beno is much better when he's hitting his threes with consistency, something he hasn't been doing so far this season.  Hopefully it continues for him.
  • Luther Head probably had his worst game as a Starter.  He didn't really do much to stop Darren Collison, who at times simply looked to quick for Luther, and on offense, Luther repeatedly missed wide open threes, which is kind of a big deal when thats what you're supposed to do.  He also hurt the team with his overdribbling, especially in that 3rd quarter, where he at times just killed all ball movement, until it was too late in the shot clock to do anything.
  • Any play that ends with a Samuel Dalembert isolation is a terrible play, yet for some reason the Kings continuously go to this.  Dalembert is most effective on offense as a roll man, or popping out for that 10-15 footer.  But apparently we weren't kidding when he mentioned this offseason that the Kings wanted him to have a bigger role in the offense.  Unfortunately, this kills our offense when he's used like this.  Love his defense and rebounding though, although sometimes he gives up too much position to post players, and he had trouble with Hibbert when he got too close to the basket.
  • Donté was playing with great energy and hustle tonight, but unfortunately he just could not guard Danny Granger at all.  Granger was able to get whatever he wanted against Greene, and it was clearly frustrating Donté.  My advice for Donté is to continue to get leaner, and work on that three point shot.  He'd be a 30-40 minute guy for this team if he could hit a three with consistency (as would Omri if he could defend).
  • Speaking of Omri, he was a disappointment tonight.  He couldn't get anything going offensively, and his defense on Granger was worse than bad.  There was one point where he positioned himself to force Granger to go left, but he wasn't aware of his surroundings (there were no Kings players in the lane) and Granger just took it straight to the basket (for an And One, of course).  Defense is definitely Omri's Achilles Heel right now.
  • JT played alright in his second straight night as a starter.  He wasn't good, but he wasn't bad either.  It was a typical Jason game: good effort, good hustle, couple of silly fouls, a whiny face or two.  In the end he just wasn't effective enough on either end of the court to demand more playing time, and the Kings had to bring Carl in to try to get some points.
  • As for Carl, the Kings clearly were not used to him coming off the bench and for most of the time that he was in the game, they were severely under-utilizing him.  With Carl coming off the bench, the whole point should be to get him the ball in a position to succeed, so he can put some points on the board.  But the team was treating him just like any other player, giving it to him way too far away for him to be useful, and definitely not as a go-to option.  He scored two of his four shots off offensive rebounds.  Get him the ball when he comes in, the whole point is to have him be a scoring punch, and I think this is something the coaching staff will work on, and if he keeps coming off the bench (you never know with a Westphal team) I think the team itself will eventually figure it out.
  • Francisco was decent in limited minutes, hitting a couple of crucial threes.  He did have one absolute bonehead play late in the fourth where he threw the ball inside like he was trying to throw an alley-oop to DeMarcus or something, who was on the opposite side of the basket, with three Pacers and Tyreke with his back turned in the way.  It was a turnover when the Kings needed it least, and its plays like that where you realize that you can't rely on Cisco being the leader of this young team.
  • Now to the big fella.  DeMarcus had by far the best game of his NBA career tonight.  He was playing with poise and confidence, and most importantly not trying to do too much.  In other games you would see him try to get super fancy, or perform 4-5 post moves when only 1-2 are needed.  Not this game though, as he stuck with what was effective.  Defensively, he got called for several ticky tack fouls, with his fifth being controversial to me from where I was seated.  I didn't get to see the replay, so I'll accept that it was a foul if you all say different.  After the game, I listened in on the radio to hear the post-game comments (I went as a fan to this game so I didn't go to the locker room in person) and DeMarcus made some very mature comments about the practice situation.  He clearly stated that it was his fault, and that he "was being selfish".  I think that this could end up being a good experience for him, and as many, if not all of you, know, half of growing up is making mistakes and learning from them.
Kingsflix Video:

Postgame: Kings Vs. Pacers 11/30/10 (via kingsflix)

Postgame Comments: Paul Westphal 11/30/10 (via kingsflix)

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Evan's Magic blog ...

… used to be called Third Quarter Collapse, which is the (very apropo) headline Aykis used.

by Tom Ziller on Dec 1, 2010 6:32 AM PST up reply actions  

She's be kind of nerdy cute if she got rid of the weird patch of facial hair

Muhahahahahaha

(I kid, I kid Evan)

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

My most vivid memory is an unfortunate one

them setting the NBA record for 3’s made on us last year.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Cheeky Bastard.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 8:03 AM PST up reply actions  

where were u sitting?

i remember one point in the 4th quarter the pacers being extremely pumped up going into the huddle heading into a timeout… and the kings had a “whatever” attitude about them.

"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez

by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 30, 2010 11:51 PM PST reply actions  

Section 211 Row G

One of the corners, but on the Pacers bench side not the Kings bench side.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 12:06 AM PST up reply actions  

i was in 118

i usually alternate between 112 and 117… friend of mines gets tickets to every game…

anyway..

anyway.. i knew as soon as that 3rd quarter got going it was going to be THAT quarter for the night.

anyway.. i knew as soon as that 3rd quarter got going it was going to be THAT quarter for the night.it KILLED me when westphal called a timeout, after the pacers came out of the locker room and scored the quarters first 6 points, and ran a play for dalembert to post up hibbert. long story short, it didnt work and the run continued.

anyway.. i knew as soon as that 3rd quarter got going it was going to be THAT quarter for the night.it KILLED me when westphal called a timeout, after the pacers came out of the locker room and scored the quarters first 6 points, and ran a play for dalembert to post up hibbert. long story short, it didnt work and the run continued.these are the times when i feel its necessary for landry to be with the 1st team, he should be they guy we go to in the post out of timeouts

"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez

by Eddie Gonzalez on Dec 1, 2010 12:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Is this a triple post in the same post???

F#ck Kobe Bryant.
F#ck Shaquille O’Neal
F#ck Phil Jackson
F#ck Rick Fox (twice)
F#ck Sasha Vujacic
F#ck Robert Horry
F#ck Derek Fisher
F#ck Dick Bavetta, Bob Delaney and Ted Bernhardt – I’m still waiting for them to have their jerseys retired at Staples.
F#ck Every Laker fan who comes to Arco Arena, wears his hat sideways and stands up and cheers with his arms out and his back to the floor whenever Kobe scores a basket.
Oh, and F#ck Jack Nicholson, Dyan Cannon, and that silver haired douchebag wearing the snakeskin boots.

Who’d I miss?

by B-RAD on Dec 1, 2010 12:22 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

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"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Dec 1, 2010 12:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Proof that even a Laker fan has a sense of humor....

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Only needs to add a "____ is cool"

Before the last “F#ck”, to mimic the scene in Half baked,

ex.
F#ck Kobe Bryant.
F#ck Shaquille O’Neal
F#ck Phil Jackson
F#ck Rick Fox (twice)
F#ck Sasha Vujacic
F#ck Robert Horry
F#ck Derek Fisher
F#ck Dick Bavetta, Bob Delaney and Ted Bernhardt – I’m still waiting for them to have their jerseys retired at Staples.
F#ck Every Laker fan who comes to Arco Arena, wears his hat sideways and stands up and cheers with his arms out and his back to the floor whenever Kobe scores a basket.
Bobby Jackson is cool
Oh, and F#ck Jack Nicholson, Dyan Cannon, and that silver haired douchebag wearing the snakeskin boots.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Dec 1, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Awesome.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

If he starts making money off that sig, I'm going to ask for royalties!

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 1, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Hahahah Otis. As you should.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

Kings lose again…Kings lose again…Kings lose again…Kings lose again…Kings lose again…Kings lose again…Kings lose again…Kings lose again…

The Kings are like a box of chocolates. You never know what line-up you are going to get.

I predict JT puts up 7 and 5 this year - Aug '10. (Current: 6.0 Pts 5 Rebs)

by bench_blob on Dec 1, 2010 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Box of chocolates? Wasn't that Forrest Gump?

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Rain Man, Forrest Gump, PW...

…the Kings in 2010-11, it’s all tied together. :)

I predict JT puts up 7 and 5 this year - Aug '10. (Current: 6.0 Pts 5 Rebs)

by bench_blob on Dec 1, 2010 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

It was Forrest Gump

but Westphal got a hold of it and inserted Rainman, so it applies here. By next week it PW might switch it to Radio.

Kings fan in OKC

by rockrichmond2 on Dec 1, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Adelman... Definitely, definitely Adelman.

"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP

by tomroadrunner on Dec 1, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

So it’s not really the offense or defense … it’s the inability to punch back after the other team goes on a run. Reminds me of that Suns team inbetween Marbury and Nash. Maybe it means this roster just lacks that one guy who can put all the pieces together on the court.

"Coach, it came down like a hail marry"

by bignerd on Nov 30, 2010 11:54 PM PST reply actions  

Well its also the ability to stop other teams from going on runs

which involves both offense or defense. Our punching back in my opinion isn’t bad. Its the getting in the hole that’s terrible.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 12:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I dunno

Seem like every game involves runs. The Kings seem unable to counter with their own.

"Coach, it came down like a hail marry"

by bignerd on Dec 1, 2010 12:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Every game involves runs

But the trick is to contain said runs so they’re not so damaging. I mean we let the jump to a 15 point lead in little more than 4 minutes into a quarter, and 18 in a few more minutes. You can’t let teams go on 17-2 runs, especially not that quickly, and runs like these have been happening almost every game.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 12:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree on the size of the runs

17-2 is a killer. 10-2 or 8-0 runs are more the norm.

"Coach, it came down like a hail marry"

by bignerd on Dec 1, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

It's how they rect offensively

TO those runs. Now I backed up the tape last night and the first number of plays they generally ran OK offensive sets and a few shots rolled off the rim.

After that – sphincter time.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Good point

So I guess they revert to old habits when the going gets tough, and they don’t get a made bucket from running the offense. So I guess they have to learn to stay with it.

"You can have the knowledge that a tomato is a fruit, but it takes wisdom not to put it in a fruit salad." Jerry Reynolds

by kingsfan300 on Dec 1, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with lttg.

Tyreke made some excellent reads and just missed shots. That happened throughout. Then the frustration set in. Aye carumba, youth! I’ll live with it. The long term payoff is worth it. (Or that’s what I keep telling myself anyway.)

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I think a lot of this is youth.

Eventually the players will realize it and try to snap themselves out of it.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with a lot of that

 It’s not unusual at all for teams to step it up for short stretches on offense or D, go on runs as you say.
Our guys try to counter punch by going one on one. Good teams (without a superstar – or even with one) counter punch as a team.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Good game from DMC, that was nice to see!

Head and Casspi, guy’s, ya got start knocking down those open shots. I thought that the offense in the first half from the Kings looked good, and it would be cool to see that for 4 straight quarters of play. If Granger put 37 up on the Kings, how much will K*be Br**nt put up? The defense needs to be better!

 Lets go Kings!!!

Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?

by DiegoKing on Dec 1, 2010 12:07 AM PST reply actions  

I haven't called for Westphals head all season

and I will continue to hold that stance. I just would like him to quit tinkering with the starting lineup, and for now that seems okay.

The fact that the Kings forgot to run their offense in the 3rd quarter is on the players. PW called an early timeout (after 0 points in the 1st 4 minutes) and tried to get the guys to run the offense again, and they immediately came out and gave the ball to Dally who sat there for 10 seconds before throwing up an air ball. Westphal is a smart guy, and he sees the same thing we see on the court. It is up to him to fix it, but he can only give the team the coloring book. The players have to draw inside the lines.

by VenomySnicket on Dec 1, 2010 12:16 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Correct!

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 1, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I f that's the case

Why does PW watch it happen game after game?

Actually PW was asked what was the cause of another third quarter collapse and he answered it. He said the other teams are adjusting and taking away their first option. My question is why doesn’t PW take a proactive step to make sure that does not happen? How about a change in game plan at the half to counter the other team’s adjustment?

I have been one to stick by PW but his comments last night made me wonder.

by KingsFan on Dec 1, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

What he said

was that they are taking away our first option and the guys are panicking instead of having the patience to go to the second or third option. Again, not to sound like a total PW apologist here, but these are young guys who are still learning. It’s very possible that what we are seeing is players who have option one down pretty well, but are still learning how to go to the next option. Evans is a great example. Last year all he had to do was drive to the hoop. Now that option is being taken away by most teams. He is slowly getting better at passing out, but it is a learning curve. I’m just glad that they are at least learning to execute option one. The rest will come.

"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."

Section 214

by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I heard what he said

If teams keep taking away the first option then it seems too simple to me to not even have it as the first option in the first place. How about making a change at the half like switching the first and third options? Why keep watching this third quarter collapse without doing something except complaining the players are screwing up?

by KingsFan on Dec 1, 2010 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

This isn't sports movie land where everyone is a two dimensional caricature

No clue how one could respond to this comment.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

What ASSN said below

It’s like running a play option in football. You start with the first option and if it’s not open, you move to the second, or third. The problem is not that there is only one option, it’s that the guys are getting impatient. If you start going to the other options, they have to play you honestly and the first opens up again.

We are limited because the young players don’t remember the whole playbook. It will come with time.

"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."

Section 214

by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

He has addressed that

saying that the guys go over using backdoor cuts and dribble handoffs to counter an aggressive defense, etc., but that the guys are having a hard time executing consistently. Is it all that surprising that such a young team that mostly hasn’t played together very much is having a hard time executing when the pressure is turned up? The thing is, it looks to me like it’s mostly ‘Reke and Beno that are guilty of the stagnating offense, and these are two of our best players and are exactly the guys we want running the offense. I don’t think you can put much blame on the coaches when the players have a 6 minute brainfart.

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 1, 2010 8:58 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

This
Is it all that surprising that such a young team that mostly hasn’t played together very much is having a hard time executing when the pressure is turned up?

"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."

Section 214

by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Gotta say I agree with ASSN here.

Nailed it completely and totally.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Slight disagreement

There have been other young inexperienced teams coming into Arco and executing in the second half of games.

I think I agree with this in general, but youth only excuses so much.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 1, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Which young inexperienced teams come into Arco and are executing?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Minnesota for one

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 1, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Not really sure I agree.

But okay.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

You mean the game where Michael Beasley was possessed by the Holy Spirit?

I know you were just throwing an example out there, but I think that specific game was more of an epic Kings fail in a hundred ways, more so than Minny firing on all cylinders. I honestly swore off the Kings after that game, for like 12 whole hours.

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 1, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

If Minny is a young team that is executing, I want no part of that. They have some players who have had big games, but they are definitely not a well-oiled machine.

"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."

Section 214

by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Minny & Sac both have similar rosters.

Lots of young players and talent, but it will take time to see it all grow together and become polished. Despite all the disappointment in Sac, and maybe some of the elation with Minny, they have similar records right now. Minny was so awful (the way Sac was 2 years ago) that by comparison THERE is improvement. Minny is making the easy leap. The Kings are making the hard leap and we’ll see if they can make it. Right now the Kings haven’t, but there is a lot of season and growth left with this team. We just have to be patient enough to see it.

< / preaching >

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

It amazes me how many excuses we can come up with for this team

And don’t get me wrong, I’m not off the bandwagon – but I think some people here are taking the youth of this team and using it to apologize away the poor performances and poor growth.

It’s not impossible to be young and improving. It’s also not impossible to be young and bad with middling potential. I’m not going to assume we are young, and therefore will be good down the road.

I’m not sure it works that way.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 1, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not going to assume it.

I don’t blame anyone for being restless, but I do see some things that suggest growth. I see them as an eventual positive, and I think you’re judging them now as a negative. I don’t see it that way Otis. Sorry.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not judging them now as a negative, to be honest

I just don’t see enough of the growth that you see to make me as optimistic.

And I think sometimes the term “youth” is used around here as a paintbrush to cover what might just be average or lesser talent and coaching.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 1, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Fine. But I think the difference between a briliant and "average" coaching staffs is minute.

The difference between average and great talent is enormous. Just my opinion here.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Growth isn't linear

Yes, they are young, extremely young. When their best player is 21 years old and projected 2nd best player is a 20 year old rookie I’m gonna give them a long leash. Not like the rest of roster is filled with experience either.

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by bignerd on Dec 1, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Right. Nerd nails my point.

It’s not like Reke isn’t being defended similar to the way Dwyane Wade was before this season. It’s just that Wade was older and more experienced than Reke is at this point. This is part of the learning curve. We just have to accept that.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it's (for the most part) less of excuse to use the "youth" line

and more of a “it’s really really hard to see what you really got when you got a ton of young players”

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Assuming that Evans is the lynchpin in all this

wouldn’t it be somewhat unprecedented if he regressed a bit after a rookie season like his, and then didn’t start to figure things out soon? I still think it’s much more possible that he’s pulling something more like D Rose last year than hitting his ceiling already and showing that much of the 1st year excitement was somewhat of an illusion. Obviously, it doesn’t have to be completely one or the other, I’m just saying that the success of our current team is very much tied to a guy who had a terrific rookie year, and is struggling a bit 5 weeks into his second season. The “youth” excuse is still a pretty handy one at this point.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 1, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep ASSN. I think Evans issues are similar to Rose.

The youth is not so much of an excuse as to say they are only struggling but as an identification as to WHY they are struggling. It isn’t an excuse but it is an issue.

I have suggested ways to do so. Obviously the Kings haven’t done them because they haven’t. (For whatever reason.)

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

and let's face it

Rose had some better options on the floor to go to. Some reasonably legit 2nd options to bail out to, which as we discussed, we don’t seem to have right now.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Plus the Bulls have Joakim Noah. Nobody on this team is the package Noah is.

I think people need to back off this team being a potential playoff team. That was never meant to be.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Its early in the season

Reke tried to work on his short comings in the off season. He’s now trying to integrate those acquired summer tactics into his game. It doesn’t click right away. It didn’t for Rose, I remember Melo came out struggling his sophomore campaign and am I sure there are a long list of others who had the same issue.

Kinda of a long way of saying taking a step back to take two steps forward, too bad all of this is killing the teams record.

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by bignerd on Dec 1, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Very good points. Rec'd.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with this completely.

A coach can’t fix anything with young players by jerking their minutes around constantly. This only frustrates them and makes them timid.

I have really not seen Westphal take anyone out for a minute – just enough to teach them something but not being angry, but by talking to them during the game and making a point. Tyreke especially needs this. He doesn’t need no leash as he has some pretty bad habits, but he needs less than a reprimand. He needs to learn. I just don’t see any teaching at all. This is true of all of the young players.

We have all complained about PW’s rotations, but consider how ridiculous they are. Phil Jackson (I KNOW he has stars) is a master at defining roles. He typically has an 8 man rotation. The two biggest players get around 40 minutes a game. The next two get low 30s. One gets mid-high 20s and the bench players get 15-18. The rest of the bench doesn’t play.

Consider PW. Against Indiana Evans led us with 34 minutes, Udrih played 30. After that Thompson had the most with 24. That is amazing. SIX other players played at least 20 minutes!!!
This is actually proof that there IS no rotation. IMO this is just garbage coaching. Too many here excuse coaching on youth. My question is what are you teaching??? Instability?

by Hoops Mike on Dec 2, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

But OKC and Memphis all have a defined core that has been together for a little bit.

Our core is constantly fluctuating.

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by tomroadrunner on Dec 1, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Personally

don’t really want that Memphis core.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Yup. I don't want Memphis...

….or Indiana’s team. Indiana has a low playoff seed team at best. I don’t see that team ever getting much better than that.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope you're kidding

Indiana is in a great position for the future. Granger is the highest paid player (as he should be), and he’s just entering his prime. Hibbert hasn’t even finished out his rookie contract and is looking like a top 5 center in the East, and Collison has been wonderful, and also on a rookie contract. Then you have potential guys like Paul George and Lance Stephenson, who may or may not pan out, and guys like McRoberts and Hansbrough who will never be stars, but could be decent role players on a good team.

Then you get a whole bunch of flexibility after this summer, when you have $32.7 Million in Expiring Contracts coming off the book (Ford, Foster, Dunleavy, Tinsley’s deal, Jones) to see if you can shore up some weak spots in free agency or use the cap space in trades.

It does depend a little on how Bird uses this cap space (he hasn’t been the best at signings in a long time), but I think Indiana is in a damn good position myself.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Not kidding.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

damn good position for what?

Not championships. Never. And so I agree with PG.

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by Holmdel on Dec 1, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh, they may only be missing a good

2nd paint player, a PF, to be a consistant playoff team.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Ain't no way in hell they can beat Orlando or Boston in a series. Or Miami or Atlanta for that matter.

Possibly Milwaukee if we’re getting down to it.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I think you can add Washington to that list in a year or so.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

They are in a funky spot

they seem to be 50/50 on their roster acquisitions, Granger, Collison and Hibbert all look like big hits while Hansborough, Rush and Dahntay Jones look like big misses. I think they need a garbage PF and a good 2 guard. I don’t think they have the assets but they might be wise to make a move for OJ Mayo. Maybe not.

by jstnblke41 on Dec 1, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

McRoberts is a good player but he's not great. He has plenty of flaws and they will get exposed in a 7 game series.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with that completely

kudos to him for developing and earning a job for the future in pro basketball, but hes the weak link in that starting 5. Dunleavy is a nice player for them, I wish they had a legit starting 2 so he could come off the bench and just give spot minutes.

by jstnblke41 on Dec 1, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Right. That would make sense for Indy.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Look at how well they're playing now

I’m not talking them championship now, but give them a few years of more development, a major FA/Trade acquisition or two, and this team is looking real nice.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

We can agree to disagree.

I like Granger too, but not THAT much.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I think they need to find a star better than Granger.

what’s the chance of them acquiring that star through FA? I think it’s very low personally.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

In otherwords....

….I think the Pacers are in the situation the Kings with Artest a few years ago. The difference is that Granger is a legitimate star who performs with consistency. Artest didn’t do that.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I think that's a good assessment.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 1, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Kings never had young guys

as good as Hibbert or Collison.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

back in the Artest days I mean.

Unless you’re counting Martin.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd think he counts

bt we were too weak in the paint. An important ingredient for sure.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Miller & Hibbert were comparable.

And Kevin Martin was a young talent as ASSN points out.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTT
Miller & Hibbert were comparable.

Hibbert is better now in his 3rd year than Miller possibly ever was (perhaps not a few years in his prime).

And Collison and Hibbert don’t have the big contracts both Martin and Miller had.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Numbers are similar.

Ain’t seeing your point.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

And Martin was still on his rookie contract when Artest was here.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Miller was on the downside of his prime

Hibbert is a THIRD YEAR GUY!!!!

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats my point

That the Pacers guys have upside and are still growing, while the players on that Kings roster didn’t.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Again, I disagree.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

You mean Miller's All-Star years?

those years?

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Miller's last full season is comparable to Hibbert's year this year.

Difference in points, but that’s okay. Points scored isn’t that BIG of a deal. Miller vs Hibbert.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

If Hibbert and Collison can continue to improve

I think they can have several 2nd tier stars. I also think them trading for Iguodala would be a great move. Expiring contract/Paul George maybe a draft pick. Then you have Collison/Iggy/Granger/Needs Improvement/Hibbert which is a lineup that can beat anyone.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I disagree Aykis. I just think their potential high point is where Atlanta is now.

That’s not a zone I’d want to be in.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

These aren't all powerhouse road teams with experience that have come into Arco and won

Last year, we were 7-8 at the same point in the season, and 6-2 at home – against a tougher schedule.

I’m not saying we should be a terror at home, but this team didn’t change so much of the roster over the offseason that we shouldn’t be getting some wins at home.

Ultimately, I agree it’s too early to make any grand pronouncements – but no matter how you cut it, this team is severely underachieving at this point.

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by otis29 on Dec 1, 2010 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

No doubt

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm an optimist.

I think this team’s underachievement could fuel some overachievement late in the season.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

From your lips to the basketball gods' ears, Pookey

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by otis29 on Dec 1, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Mwahahahahahahaha.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Dear god, don't let Pookie's lips near ANY gods.

shudder

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by tomroadrunner on Dec 1, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't let Pookey know you called him Pookie again.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh crap. Haha.

My bad.

But now, in the case of multiple Pooks, I’m assuming you would be one of the Pookies, as opposed to Pookeys, right?

Just in case I ever end up on Jeopardy, and this is one of the questions, I want to have it cleared up.

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by tomroadrunner on Dec 1, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

No it's straight Pookey all the way for me homey.

I don’t roll with no Pookie’s.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

IS there more than one Pookie?

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by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Pooh the benevolent is coming for you.

He doesn’t like being questioned.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I do think that 'Reke is starting to show himself as somewhat of a slow learner.

As are Donte and Omri, for their parts in keeping the offense flowing. I’m also basing my patience on the assumption that the Kings will continue to play more like last night and less like they did against the Clips and Bulls. Last night, I really don’t feel like I could point out anything that PW definitely should have done differently, or even anything that the team should have done differently strategically. During that rough half-quarter, I just saw that one particular group of guys completely lose their offensive flow (mostly ’Reke, really).

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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 1, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Right ASSN.

Experience and execution are the cure. Most often losing (and a lot of it) is the way teams eventually learn that they have to execute to win games. Experience helps that epiphany. A chicken & egg deal here, and I think the arena situation is fueling the manic feeling that winning every game will keep the Kings in Sac. In fact, though, this has little to do with it.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

It also doesn't help that everyone knows (the players included) this team is underachieving and the players haven't responded to the pressure of these expectations.

At least this team isn’t overachieving and coming back down to earth. That’s a bigger problem than the one the Kings are facing at this moment me thinks.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point about the arena thing.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 1, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

What'd you think of DMC getting the hook after his 5th foul?

I thought he should’ve been left in. I know that’s an easy call for me to make from my sofa, but I thought he was playing well, as was the team at that point and they had pulled to within striking distance. DMC will need to learn to play with fouls at some point. I can’t really fault PW for pulling him, but if it’d been me, I would’ve rolled the dice.

by outrider on Dec 1, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

nope

he was back in for the last 5-6 minutes. Seemed about right to me.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

When did he pick up his 5th? Do you remember?

I thought it was around the 5-6 minute mark, but don’t remember for sure…

by outrider on Dec 1, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

The 6:30 mark. I just watched the game and that's about when it was. As to when exactly, I can't remember.

DMC wasn’t out long, but I think PW wanted to calm him down. When DMC shows he can pick up those fouls and not react poorly, I think PW will leave him in.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it was more like the last 4 mins

but I also think it was probably good to get him out when he did for a couple of minutes. In any case, that certainly wasn’t what lost the game for us.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 1, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought DMC should've been left in.

Although I can’t blame PW for taking him out either. Tough call and there is no good answer. The best answer, obviously, for DMC to learn to not foul in those situations.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't see the replay

Was DMC’s 5th foul legit? Didn’t look like it to me from where I was seated.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't remember. I think it was. He wrapped his arm around Hibbert if I remember that as being the foul. And that foul was legit.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

right, easy call

now his 4th ( I believe) when he was backing his man into the post?

Bad call.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd have to see 'em all again. Unfortunately going back & forth on Broadband is a complete bitch.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

What I didn't like

Is that the whistle came 2-3 seconds after the actual foul. DMC grabbed him around the waist before he started moving, released him, Hibbert moved toward the hoop, then the whistle blew. That’s what I remember. I think DMC was pissed because the whistle blew when he wasn’t actually fouling Hibbert, so he thought it was a phantom call.

by outrider on Dec 1, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

As he gets older....

…he’ll realize that’ll happen quite often. Refs just aren’t as fast as NBA players.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

And as you mentioned elsewhere...

…just stop fouling people and it’s not an issue! He’ll figure what he can get away with.

by outrider on Dec 1, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Which is what I thought

Because he wasn’t fouling him when the whistle blew. Then I saw the replay. I didn’t like the call, but I could at least understand it.

by outrider on Dec 1, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I still diagree

The players have to execute, no doubt about. However, the job of the coach is to make adjustments as halftime. This is something both coaches are supposed to do. In many games this season, it has appeared only one coach made adjustments, and it wasn’t PW.

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by Exhibit G on Dec 1, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it's player recognition.

They’re struggling with the adjustments teams are making at halftime.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok

So how long do we blame it on young players before we start blaming the coach for not understanding schemes?

You’re telling me Beno, Landry and Dalembert don’t understand halftime adjustments?

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by Exhibit G on Dec 1, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Well did Beno play when the Kings were down? No.

Dalembert left in the 3rd qtr and Landry was coming off the bench. But it’s also worth noting that all 3 of those guys have to play with young players.

This stuff isn’t as simple as I think it’s being boiled down to. I’m not saying PW is a coaching genius, but these losses are amounting to youth and the learning curve it takes to make a consistently winning team.

I would much rather the Kings going the route they are than the Pacers who have been consistently mediocre. At least there is a shot at championships. The Pacers have no shot at that regardless of how all their players perform.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Beno was out that whole bad run

PW explained that Head was the only one scoring so he didn’t take him out and I’d argue that the problem was that Head was the only one scoring and Beno should have been in.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep.

I think we currently have more talent than the Pacers. If we play as a team the way they do, we would be better than them now. But it takes time.

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by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Yup. It does take time.

It’s worth remembering that Granger and Evans are the same talent level. But this is Granger’s 6th year and this is Evans 2nd year. Big big difference.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Anyone still remember

how badly Rose struggled early last year? It was pointed out by JR and Peaches but worth repeating.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I noticed. I'm a patient person. I think good things will come from the struggles.

I’d much rather this team start slow and pick it up then start quickly and then fade (like last season). You with me on that lttg?

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

The Kid has got to adjust

it takes time to adjust to every team game planning just for you.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Indeed. He's never seen anything remotely like it.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes he has (AAU and College)

But up till now the competition hasn’t been good enough to stop him.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

correct

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh please. Tyreke Evans never faced anything remotely close like this at AAU or in College.

NBA players are so much better, and so is the coaching. Don’t blow smoke up my ass and tell me my ass is on fire cuz there is smoke. Cmon now.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Isn't that what I said?

You:

NBA players are so much better, and so is the coaching.

Me:

But up till now the competition hasn’t been good enough to stop him.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Eh. It doesn't make a difference what schemes you employ at the AAU or College levl.

It matters in the NBA. Again, I disagree with you here. It may be subtle, but we disagree. I’m not mad, but it’s different point of view. No worries.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

My point is teams have been gameplanning for Tyreke all through his youth

It just didn’t make a difference till now for the exact reasons you state.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I think I disagree with that too.

I’m going to let it go. This is one of those battles that falls under “life is too short”.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

See this comes down to what we don't know again

I absolutely believe that guys like Landry, Sammy, and Beno understand halftime adjustments. I’m not sure the younger guys do yet. Or that they even understand the basic offense well enough to create more complicated offensive schemes. You can coach all you want, but if the guys aren’t even executing on the basic stuff yet, how much more can you add. At this point I am seeing things that lead me to believe they are learning. If, by the end of the season, there isn’t significant improvement, then that’s another story.

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by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Fair enough

That would make perfect sense to me. Last season.

I’m quickly getting to the point where I feel that it is inexcusable, after a full season as coach, that the players still don’t understand the offense or adjustments. The coach’s job is to teach. Now, everyone who has ever coached or taught knows that sometimes you’re limited by your students, but I’m quickly losing patience with PW.

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by Exhibit G on Dec 1, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

No, there is too many new players here and the mix is very different.

I think you’re losing patience and for the wrong reasons. We see it differently. Quite honestly G, this was happening last season. Teams just didn’t pack the lane so consistently as they are doing now. Reke is being treated like an unstoppable superstar and his game hasn’t adjusted.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

He's only a few games into his 2nd season

I’ll worry more at mid-season if his approach hasn’t changed.
 One of the real problems he has though is that that there isn’t another guy on the roster right now who can blow up for 30 if needed.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree about the lack of a real 2nd option.

That was a worry of mine coming into the season and every team has exploited it.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

yep

Landry can score but he’s more of a #3 option – as is Beno.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah. And I'm not really sure Beno is a 3 option. More like a 4th or 5th.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I amend to first bench scoring (guard) option

ala Ginobli, Jason Terry etc..

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah except I don't really think that's Ginobili's role.

He just comes off the bench.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Without a True 2nd option on this team though

opponents can just absorb whatever Landry and Beno put up in a pretty routine way.

Like I said, neither really scares opponents or makes them worry that they’ll explode and put up 30.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it could eventually be Cuz

If ’Reke can develop his outside shot, the Kings could live off Evans/Cousins pick and rolls. DMC already has a pretty nice outside touch, and both of them can take it to the hole. So if ’Reke can shoot it from the outside, it would be almost unstoppable.

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by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree. But this is why young players are so difficult.

You never can perfectly project how they’ll play together or what their real skills at the NBA level are. It’s not as simple as everyone would like to predict. Unfortunately.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Wait

You mean the unstoppable back court of Evans and Martin didn’t pan out the way we wanted? I still would’ve like to see more patience with that. But you’re right. It’s very, very hard to project how a young guy will turn out.

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by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think that mattered. (I know we disagree with that.)

Kevin wanted out, the Kings didn’t want to pay him to be “something” that could have mattered in awhile, and yadda yadda yadda. Way too much what if’s with players of Evans & Martin’s caliber on the court together. Some things just didn’t work and I’m glad GP made that recognition sooner than later. It’s tough for fans to admit, but franchises don’t have that luxury.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I would have liked to have seen more as well

but KM getting injured and then discontent from the bench lost us that opportunity. It may have all turned out differently.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

With SB.

We are step in step in our belief of what this team is doing. I’m watching the game now, and the sequence to end the 1st half is very illustrating of how this team is losing. They don’t know how to take advantage of their opportunities, and thus, every time they struggle they don’t know how to break the struggle either.

It’s like a bit of bad with both worlds. Welcome to rebuilding.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep. Not every young player makes it for precisely this reason.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

See JR Smith in Denver

all the talent in the world – but probably a moron.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Right.

But the talent around him improved, and he’s looked much better with Chauncey Billups. Funny how that works sometimes.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Your right about that

smart players can make dumb players look a lot better, Shawn Marion comes to mind. When he had Nash he was an all star and without him he was awful. Now with Jason Kidd…

I really hope that Tyreke isn’t one of those players whos individual talents have carried him so far by playing one way that he never learns how to play effective basketball in a team concept. I’m sorry for the knock on Tyreke, hes an awesome talent but I don’t see a lot of basketball smarts from him all the time.

by jstnblke41 on Dec 1, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it's one of the issues in his development.

He’ll learn I think, but how much is the question. I think Tyreke is taking this stuff and losing to heart. Which is what you want.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

He does seem competitve

so hopefully no VC disease rears its head with him. Hes got the talent, I’m sure he will get better. Hopefully a lot better.

by jstnblke41 on Dec 1, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

This is part of the growth process.

It can be painful, but in the long run the Kings will benefit I think.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

It's not so much that they gave it to Sammy at the low elbow

It’s that they all cleared so far out and just stood there. No cuts, no movement that was helpful. They gave him no good option other than throwing up that terrible shot.

One on one.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I think you're right on that one

I bet Daly could have found someone cutting if they just did it. He’s already proven to me that he can make that pass.

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by kingsfan300 on Dec 1, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

His teammates MADE him try a one on one move

by clearing out too much, standing around – and leaving him no good options.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Thats true

the other night I thought Greene made a really nice cut and Daly found him for a dunk. When a bad post player gets the ball he should really be more of a facilitator, the ball is already in a tough position to guard for the defense so things should open up around the floor while the attention is payed to the post.

by jstnblke41 on Dec 1, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Daly is a decent passer. I agree with you about him passing more than shooting.

I wish Daly set more screens too.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I would like that too

we need some more movement off the ball in the offense methinks.

Disclaimer: I blame this on the players lack of understanding of how to play more then the coach at this point.

by jstnblke41 on Dec 1, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Right. I think that's the issue.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

It's just indicative of what the Kings tend to do

when things get tough. Stand aroud and watch someone try to make THE play.

That’s why I went on and on about it.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep. They don't get that it's not just passing the ball; it's also moving off the ball and filling those spots and being mentally/physically active.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if it's because that's the play that's callled

and they just don’t understand that you have to move, cut and adjust so that either that play works or it opens up an easier shot.

Maybe they think they Are running the play called.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I think your 2nd line is the exact issue.

I don’t think all of these players will recognize these issue’s. Tyreke & DeMarcus yes; Donte & Omri I’m not so sure.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Throw in JT in there too.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah well we disagree.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure about

Sometimes JT looks lost, especially when I see him coming over to set a screen; I feel this way because sometimes the play looks like he’s not supposed to come set the screen.

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by kingsfan300 on Dec 1, 2010 6:16 PM PST up reply actions  

JT moves too much to set decent screens.

And I’m not so sure that he shouldn’t understand basic NBA plays.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

You might say he moves too much

but it could be compensating for the poor job our guards to of running their man into the screen. Beno is the best at it, our other guards not so much.

by MichaelMack on Dec 2, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Those are the things that really frustrate me watching the team

Proper screening, improvement on defending and executing the pick and roll…these are things we should get better at over time.

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by otis29 on Dec 2, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know about that

Watch how long the bigs hold their position on the screen. I’d say most of them do not set the screen long, and instead roll out to a position to get a pass.

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by kingsfan300 on Dec 2, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I think part of the problem is that setting screens is a lost art in this NBA.

Very few players set quality screens anymore.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 2, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but it's on the ballhandler as well

Half the time, they don’t even attempt to use the screen properly.

That’s why a guy like Brad Miller was so damn valuable (even though everyone seemed to hate him towards the end). Fundamentally, he could run the offense out of the high post and set great screens. So while his stats may not have shown a ton of production, the offense was generally much more productive with him on the floor than off.

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by otis29 on Dec 2, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep that was one of the things that made Brad Baby valuable.

Bibby also knew how to use screens very well.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 2, 2010 6:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, also well said lttg.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Yup

lots of one on one. No one has a pass first mentality on the squad.

by jstnblke41 on Dec 1, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think you need to have a pass first mentality.

I think it’s more of players understanding they need to move without the ball.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I can see that too

perhaps one would produce the other. With the roster as it stands now your probably right, it would be easier for the players just to move and make the defense work a little bit.

by jstnblke41 on Dec 1, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

That's it exactly

We keep talking about pass first. First, last, or in the middle is totally irrelevant. What we need is people moving and cutting, and people who do the right thing. If the lane is open, I don’t want a pass. If you get the ball in the corner and you can shoot threes and your feet are set, I don’t want a pass. I want a pass when you aren’t open and someone else is, or when you are driving and the lane collapses.

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by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

We also need Tyreke being able to hit his available shots that he's missing right now.

Eventually he’ll make them. It’s just tough for him right now. This is part of the growth of a young superstar.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep.

That’s the nice thing about Beno and TopHat. For the most part they know what shots they can make and tend to make a good percentage of those shots. I get the feeling that Evans sometimes jacks up shots because people have told him he needs to do that to open the lane, not because it’s a shot he knows he can make.

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by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

As I'm watching the game...

..I’m also noticing that Beno and Top Hat often bail this team out by scoring on bad offensive sets. I think they know that, but I’m very positive the young players don’t realize that.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

It's hard to tell with Beno

I felt he did that a lot last year, making those mid range shots when a play broke down. This year, he looks more like he’s aggressively looking for his shot, but he is telling people how to space so he can get it. Again, hard to see for me, but I can also see your point.

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by kingsfan300 on Dec 1, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I meant that Beno & Top Hat are aware they are bailing the team out.

I don’t think any of the young players recognize it.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

You are right

the only cure for that is smart players. We don’t have them right now, it’ll take some time.

by jstnblke41 on Dec 1, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Another reason I don't want to trade Beno or Cisco.

I think they are smart enough to understand how to play well.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Greene is still learning

There was one play during the Bulls game where he had posted a player, and Daly had the ball at the high post. His player was overplaying, but Greene was still able to hold his position. Daly tells him to go back door, and it leads to a TO (more specifically, a Noah steal).

There are a few things I took from that instance:

1) The chemistry is not there between the players yet, as Daly had to tell Greene to go backdoor from the over play. The fact he had to explicitly tell him to go back door led to the TO. At the same time, Daly has to lead Greene into the play with a pass into the area where he’s to cut to. So the team is not comfortable yet with one another as far good passing for easy looks.

2) Some of the things that Westphal speaks of regarding his system and backdoor play with aggressive defense is not second nature yet to the players. I guess you could blame Westphal for not embedding it well enough into these players, but Greene was most likely a one on one player out of college. This stuff would probably be difficult to learn for him.

 Again, Greene was told to go backdoor, and did not do it instinctively. I’ve seen him try for the cut backdoor , but he has to really commit for it to make it work, as well as trust the system.

Greene has successfully cut to the basket in the last few games, leading to a few easy buckets. I still think he has much to learn, but he’s getting better off the ball.

And for me, that’s why you can’t just watch these games for wins. Don’t get me wrong, wins are awesome; but you have to look for individual things and see if there’s improvement.

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by kingsfan300 on Dec 1, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

YES, more going hard to the backoor!

Oh wait . . . .

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha I knew that one was coming.....

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by kingsfan300 on Dec 1, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, too easy I guess

shame on me.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I laughed.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I like your observations

I’m not a fan of Greene as a player for all those reasons and more, he just doesn’t strike me as a guy who has a clue on how to really play basketball. I know its a different concept and level, but I coach 7th grade girls who know to back cut when they are overplayed.

In his defense NBA is the first time a lot of these players are learning how to really play ball, they have never been really challenged and forced to learn how to use a ball screen or make a cut to the basket. They have always been to grab the ball and take it to the rim whenever they want. There are very few players who can do that at the highest level, and Donte isn’t one of them so you have to be patient and hope he learns how to be play. He is getting better as you pointed out, it just takes some time to learn. Frustrating though it may be.

by jstnblke41 on Dec 1, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously though

Good thoughts. I don’t know if they don’t understand instictively or perhaps they’re being a little over coached and are afraid to make the move on their own and ‘wreck’ the play.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I know this may get some laughs

but the staff should show our bigs some tape of BMiller up there at the top of the key with the ball.

He pump fakes some passes to several guys and it encourages them to move with a purpose to get the ball.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I was actually watching a replay of LeBron's first NBA game

Webber was on the bench after the knee injury in the playoffs the year before. Brad and Vlade were playing together and they looked great. The announcers were raving about Brad.

"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."

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by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

If they're going to run that highpost offense

at least some of the time – that’s how its done and he does it very well.
DMC is a good passer, he could learn that and is already a better low post player than Brad for the most part.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree lttg. DMC Is a natural high post offense guy.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Now if we had the BMiller of five years ago

teaching the rookie DMC . . . .
well, nice fantasy.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Big Weedy did help Joakim Noah a lot. Took some pressure off Noah and Noah figured some things out.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Hadn't even thought of that

We were talking about how Noah had some attitude issues early in his Bulls career, and how he’d seemingly overcome them. Didn’t even think about Brad-baby’s influence.

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by otis29 on Dec 1, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

He's helpful to a lot of players old & young.

I would love to have Brad now, but 2 years ago? Hell no.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Or even a year & half ago.

It was time for the Kings to ship Brad out. Unfortunately.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Noah

was quoted as being very disappointed at Brad leaving, as he was his mentor.

by MichaelMack on Dec 1, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I do find that interesting

that we start off in a 1-4 most times but we rarely start the offense with a post pass.

by jstnblke41 on Dec 1, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah that is irritating.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Great observation
But, the point is that we get 16 fouls before we get into the penalty. We’re fouling the shooters even before we get into the penalty, and we’re doing it because we’re still letting them get to the basket too often and we end up fouling them.

That’s been a big deal of late. Way too many shooting fouls. And I think I’ll die if they foul on one more three-pointer. I’ll die!

by Tom Ziller on Dec 1, 2010 6:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Please, Kings, don’t kill Tom.

by twasserm on Dec 1, 2010 6:39 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

This is why I couldn't be a coach

I’d have no hair left on my body after pulling it all out in frustration and maalox would be my entire diet.

by outrider on Dec 1, 2010 6:43 AM PST up reply actions  

That brings up a point of curiosity for me

What positions in the NBA tend to take the most FTs? Is there a statistical trend?

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Tyreke and Beno got to the line 14 times.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

My guess would be PF/C

Around the basket fouls are more likely to be called. Slashing Guards/Wings as well.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure what you'd gain from that info

because there are too many factors. A players style of play for instance. Tyreke would definitely skew the number for PG’s.
 
And, the defense you’re facing would be another factor. Coming into the game Granger averaged 70% of his shot were from outside, and only 25% came at the rim. Against the Kings he was 6-6 at the rim and 1-2 from inside 10ft. He was 2-6 from long 2’s and 3-5 from 3’s. So, against the KIngs he had 42% of his shots from inside and 58% of his made baskets there alsol.

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by HighTops on Dec 1, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Most of the best PG shoot a lot of FTs it seems to me

but I was wondering if it was unusual for the primary ball handler (PG) and the primary scorer (often a SF) to shoot the most FTs

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Dwight leads the league in attempts

which makes sense. Other then that its more of the superstars that play at the rim that get the calls, although I’m surprised that Eric Gordon is up there. Westbrook gets there a ton too, actually a lot more then Derrick Rose which is interesting to me.

by jstnblke41 on Dec 1, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Westbrook has always gotten to the line more than Rose.

One of Rose’s weaknesses.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I never knew that

I knew Westbrook drives to the point of being boarder line reckless but I thought Rose drove a lot too. I guess Rose does do a lot of the little reverses and flips while Westbrook goes straight to the bucket strong, makes sense I guess.

by jstnblke41 on Dec 1, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Westbrook is also an 80%+ FT shooter.

I think that helps him believe it’s better for him to try & get those shots. That’s something about OKC not many people realize: Lotta good FT shooters on that team.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

It may be because of the offensive arsenal

Rose shoots well from mid range and has that really nice floater as well.

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by kingsfan300 on Dec 1, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree with this.

Rose does his thing.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Some observations from my couch
  • Things I saw on offense that I’d like to see more of: Tyreke posting or attacking from the wing/baseline instead of always from the top of the key.
  • Omri/Donte offense being reduced to 3 point shooting almost exclusively. I think these guys are being under utilized on offense.
  • Things I don’t want to see any more: any kind of offensive iso set for Dalembert; big men making entry passes from anywhere (especially the top of the key)
  • Our transition defense is really awful, even after we make a bucket (!)
  • We don’t seem to use screens well, for whatever reason. Typically, the screener is either ignored, or the man receiving the screen starts moving before the screener is set.
  • DMC! If this guy channels his intensity and emotion in a positive, constructive way we’re all going to have big smiles on our faces for the next decade or so while he’s abusing people inside.

by outrider on Dec 1, 2010 7:17 AM PST reply actions  

On the Casspi and Donte note

I do wonder if PWs insistance that their role is just to play D and hit open shots hasn’t killed their aggressiveness by a notch or two.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Good question

Both guys have games beyond just parking behind the 3 point line and waiting for the kick out, so it seems a bit wasteful not to exploit their offensive talents more.

by outrider on Dec 1, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Could

But lets be honest, that is their talent level and role in the NBA. Maybe they will develop into a 3rd scoring option on a team, it’s still slightly possible. However they look like role players to me, meaning their jobs should be to make all the small basketball plays and hit open shots within the context of the offense … whenever the Kings finally develop the context of the offense

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by bignerd on Dec 1, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

A lot of the context of the offense rests on Reke's decision making.

It’s a work in progress, which, shockingly, is also where the Kings offense lay.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just not sure you're right yet

Sooo many guys develop in that 3rd and 4th year.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd be willing to give up Donte and JT in conjunction to get more veterans. Maybe that's just me.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

For the right veteran?

Me too, you are not alone.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Would Tayshaun Prince, Chauncey Billups qualify?

Feel free to add names.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd like to stay under 30

and a SG or SF. I started reviewing the ‘ranking the SFs’ article and the SG article but got distracted.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

How about Marvin Williams?

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

definately

If we could get him – make the deal.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I doubt Atl will give him up.

I think Rick Sund has an unclear view on what his players are worth.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

They need another big man

to have any chance in the playoffs

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Rick Sund is the type who would expect to trade Marvin Williams or Jeff Teague for DMC.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Hrmf

I have no idea

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not a fan of Rick Sund as you might imagine.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

In the second half, I saw 'Reke posting up Collison at least a couple of times

and missing the shot badly. Not that it’s not a good option, but I think his post-up game still needs quite a bit of work, especially if he can’t execute it well on someone like Collison (that he probably outweighs by 50 pounds)

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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 1, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

His post game does need work, but at least it was a new wrinkle

I liked it because it was 1) exploiting a mismatch and 2) a variation from our usual offensive suckiness. Same thing with him attacking from the wing/baseline.

Long term, Tyreke does need to improve his longer distance perimeter shooting, but for the shorter term, if he worked on a free three line pull up j and a Parkeresque floater/tear drop in the lane he’d be helped out a lot because teams wouldn’t just be able to pack the lane and wait for him at the rim.

by outrider on Dec 1, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

I was thinking the same thing. He is big enough to post up smaller but he just doesn’t know how to score from the post. He doesn’t have to learn to live in the post but if he could score on a somewhat reasonable level it would force the defenses to double him leaving an option open, assuming Tyreke finds them.

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I meant

He is big enough to post up smaller guards.

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by raiderking21 on Dec 1, 2010 4:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It should definately be part of his game

and will be someday, he doesn’tknow how to play with his back to the basket right now though, not many guards do – and no young ones.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

The Dalembert offense initiation thing is funny (in the way that Pulp Fiction is funny)

Does it go back to our guards not being skilled on entry passes? Since Dally is the tallest guy there, it’s easiest to get the ball into him over the top?

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by otis29 on Dec 1, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Dalembert initiating the offense is the equivalent of John Travolta going to the bathroom in Pulp Fiction

Every time he does it, something goes horribly horribly wrong

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Good questions

I just really don’t like the set(s) where the big man receives the ball 18-20 feet from the hoop because nothing good seems to come from it. If we had glory era Vlade or Chris (or Darko, right?) out there then ok. But Dally and DMC (at least as of right now)? Guh!

by outrider on Dec 1, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

If other players were cutting and moving

setting up pick and rolls etc. – I’d have much less of a problem with it. What is happening though – is nothing, forcing the big to either make a tough pass, weakly hand it off to guard late int he clock or start dribbling to try to move the ball. Bigs should NEVER have to dribble out there. It’s gotten DMC a lot of his turnovers.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

You're exactly right
What is happening though – is nothing, forcing the big to either make a tough pass, weakly hand it off to guard late int he clock or start dribbling to try to move the ball.

Yep. Which is why I really dislike those sets because the outcome is more often a negative than a positive.

by outrider on Dec 1, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Dalembert trying to pass it through 3 guys into Tyreke

under the basket comes to mind as well. Did he have another option presented to him by player movement/ cuts while stranded out there above the key? Maybe not.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Right

Then he has as uh oh moment on his island and forces a pass…

by outrider on Dec 1, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

exactly

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep I mentioned this in the recap

And the complete opposite was happening in the first half as the players were making nice cuts. That pass from Tyreke to Donte for an easy dunk in the 2nd quarter comes to mind.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

DMC had a nice pass to Beno for a layup as well

from the block/wing area after Beno cut off of DMC after the entry pass was made. And I think to myself, wow, that was nice! More please! So, you see the potential, but then it is typically buried underneath a turnover or bad shot.

Damn learning curve!

by outrider on Dec 1, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah if only young players dont' have to make an adjustment to the NBA level of talent!

The Kings could be so good if they just understood how to play NBA defense, execute their offense when opponents adjust at halftime, hit their FT’s, don’t turn over the ball as often in situations, have all the requisite skills so that you can react to NBA defense and, oh, do it every night plus another 15-25 times come the playoffs.

Jeez, it’s so simple. Why can’t everyone do it?

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(note: Outrider is not being made fun of here.)

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly!

You see how easy it is! Why can’t they?!

by outrider on Dec 1, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Damn all young NBA players not being born into champions from the day they enter the league.

The nerve of these kids!

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Omri was 0-2 at the rim and 0-3 from 3. Donte was 3-5 on non-3pters and 0-2 from 3pt

So, that’s 3-7 for non-3pters and 0-5 from 3pters.

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by HighTops on Dec 1, 2010 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Also, Greene only took 2 shots in the 2nd half, was 0-2

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by HighTops on Dec 1, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Which is fine

But they have more to their games than just being spot up shooters and those skills aren’t being utilized, imo. If coach W just wants them to be spot shooters then so be it, but I think they’re capable of more, which to me would help diversify our attack on offense.

by outrider on Dec 1, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Did any those shots come from aggressive play though?

I know they should play their roles but they, or the coaching staff, have to let them be aggressive when the opportunity presents itself as well.

I could argue they may have missed those shots because of being tentative, because of being kept on too tight a leash.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

How can we criticize players for playing their role,

and in another thread conjecture about who is hurting the offense by not knowing the plays. If the plays are good and the player plays his role then we can’t fault the player.

And, if the player is getting his shot as part of the play, then there should be no need for aggression. I’m going at it from a different direction. Donte was 3 for 4 in the First quarter then left at the 1:38 mark. He didn’t return until the 4:45 mark of the 2nd quarter and didn’t attempt any shots in the 2nd quarter. He started the 3rd missed his only 2 shots betweene the 10:30 mark and 9:17, then left the game at 6;06 of the 3rd and never returned.

The Kings had 99 possessions in that game. Donte was hot in the first, got held out for almost 9 minute while Casspi had 0 pts. And, when Donte did return he ended up with 0 attempts in the minutes he returned. When Donte did attempt his next shot, he hadn’t take a shot attempt since the 5:35 mark of the 1st quarter. That’s like 19 minutes of game time and in real time it’s got to be close to at least an hour.

I don’t see anyone on this team that can go that long without a shot and be expected to be in the flow of the game and able to hit his shots. And, when you consider Greene probably needs to be the 3rd option in the starting lineup just before Head and Dalembert, I’ve got to question the play calling before I question the play exacution.

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by HighTops on Dec 1, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

The Donte example

to me screams that this team doesn’t get the game. Jason Kidd will run 3 or more plays in a row to get Barea of all people the ball when hes hot, not getting Greene the ball after that is on the PG or whoever is directing the offense. Thats just being a smart basketball player when you get the ball to someone who is feeling it.

by jstnblke41 on Dec 1, 2010 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Sweet beard Ziller

http://www.sbnation.com/authors/tom-ziller

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by 49er16 on Dec 1, 2010 7:19 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

ASSN is jealous.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 8:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm definitely jealous of Ziller

He looks like he could be a character in ‘Sons of Anarchy’

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by 49er16 on Dec 1, 2010 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

When I had hair and a beard....

….somebody told me I looked like one of those dudes on that show. Opie I think was who he said. (I don’t think i look like him at all.)

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

We need pictures of Pookey with a beard

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by 49er16 on Dec 1, 2010 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

No you really don't.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh well

I can always dream of seeing Pookey with a beard.

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by 49er16 on Dec 1, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

weird

just weird

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m fascinated with beards.

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by 49er16 on Dec 1, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I couldn't really grow one until I was 30

I had a few years of wearing one then went clean again

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I can grow one

But it makes me look like white trash, so I stay clean shaven.

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by 49er16 on Dec 1, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

mine makes me look like I'm auditioning for Satan

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Creepy

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by 49er16 on Dec 1, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

The 'role' of

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Your clean shaven look suggests that too.

Kidding, of course.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I call that a "Sergio Romo"

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by otis29 on Dec 1, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Glad to see I'm not the only Romosexual here

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by 49er16 on Dec 1, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Love that guy

My favorite interview on the whole team. He’s the proverbial little kid who can’t believe he gets to play baseball every day.

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by otis29 on Dec 1, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I am a little bit

but I’m actually quite jealous of Cuz’s and Donte’s hobo beards that they got going on right now.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 1, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL ASSN.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Same here

All I get is some patchy stuff on my cheeks and then the neck beard. My friends call me Teen Wolf whenever I grow it out.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I like Tas Melas' beard, myself

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by 49er16 on Dec 1, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes

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"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
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by 49er16 on Dec 1, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I am starting to think our problem is the law of averages

We can’t shoot…..If we start hot, over the course of the game we will usually drop down to our average by the end. They made a lot of the shots that we missed.

This is a stupid comment (thats never stopped me), but our guys are acting like they are reading their halftime stats at half and coming out with a I’m getting mine attitude.

There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on Dec 1, 2010 7:31 AM PST reply actions  

I dunno.

If that were the case, I’d think ‘Reke would be looking at his assist totals in the first halfs (8 in this game, didn’t he have like 7 in the first half against Chicago?), and come out trying to set his career high in assists.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 1, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

draft express?

     It is almost time to start checking in with “draft express” and see where they have us picking and who we are picking, and that fu….in sucks. Is it PW’s fault, hell I don’t know. But I find it so hard to believe that Muss, Theus, Natt, and now PW all have or had their heads so far up their asses that we keep getting the same results. Yea, I know, some of them were bad, but this mess has not been going on for days or weeks, it has been years. I almost want to stop here because it is depressing.
      Every loss equals fewer fans in the seats. No way can the Maloofs let this keep happening. For months we/they/whoever has talked about financial flexibility and having some good young pieces to build a team around. I do not want another year of having financial flexibility and having good young pieces and wondering what pick we have in the draft. GP has the tools to improve the team now. He has the pieces to move and he has the financial flexibility too. If it meant moving Landry, Omri, Donte, or JT (who I believe should be the starting power forward and would hate to see traded) to improve the team, then make it happen. Another high draft pick next year will help, but it will not solve this mess anytime soon.
        Oh yea, and two more blowouts (Lakers and Dallas) are coming in the next few days, that should help us all feel better.

by noreboundsnorings on Dec 1, 2010 7:36 AM PST reply actions  

Whatever

They lost to a pretty good team last night, and didn’t play all that bad. Even if they don’t play any better than they did last night, they’ll start winning a lot more games.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 1, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

GP has the tools to improve the team now

What do you think GP can do now? Other than trading for bloated contracts?

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Looking at DraftExpress this early is stupid

Early last year for example till about January, they had Willie Warren in the top 5. He got drafted in the late 50s.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah let's not jump to conclusions about this team too early either.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

At least wait until they get into some league play, some tough games

for the reasons both of you gave made.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

rec'd, and not just for saying "Like Holmdel"

well-said

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by Holmdel on Dec 1, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with SB on PW.

And Holmdel for that matter.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Everyone who agrees with Holmdel on anything gets rec'd.

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by Holmdel on Dec 1, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That's a crappy vetting process Holmdel. Rec'd.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

process of elimination

yep – i was noticing which guys commented in the paper today about not knowing the plays. CL, JT, SD, & LH all talked about guys not knowing the plays.

by Madzillagd on Dec 1, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

All the guys you mentioned were vets

Well, JT is almost one. Maybe that explains why Head was dribbling around in the third quarter doing nothing, and then putting up shots. In fact, he dominated the ball a lot that quarter, but he did make shots.

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by kingsfan300 on Dec 1, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

having a hard time judging Head

I really do like his D but I have zero clue if he is running the offense okay but other people don’t know what they are doing or if he is just a SG in a PG’s body

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

PW sees a PG waiting for the play he just called that never happens.

I’ve always wondered how much this happens? Not only in the pro game but also high school and college games too.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

I’ll get ticked off at a QB throwing the ball to a wide open spot on the field, only to discover the receiver ran the wrong route. Even a really knowledgeable can only go off of what they are seeing. They don’t know what’s really supposed to be happening.

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by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

It does happen at all levels

generally the players who are all about winning (mostly the older players who know its close to being the end of their competitive playing careers) will run plays and try to do everything right. Younger guys or the ones that have a screw loose can do their own thing more often then you’d like however.

by jstnblke41 on Dec 1, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

You bring up some interesting possibilities, but it seems that the offense stagnates too often

for it to be people not knowing the play that often. You’d think if that was the case that those people wouldn’t be seeing any playing time by now. At least until we won a couple of games and broke out of our losing streak.

As far as the lineup changes, I’m not sure we can pin point why PW does what he does. Granger came into the game as their leading scorer. Donte out scored him 6pts to 5pt in the first quarter, but then for whatever reason, PW didn’t play Donte for the last 18 minutes of the game. I really don’t have any clue.

I believe Indiana won because of the adjustments that they made to get Granger his points. At the end of the 1st half, Granger had 15pt, 1 from the FT line, and 2 TO’s. In the 2nd half he had 22pts, with and 9 of 10 from the FT line. And, those 7pts were all that they needed to put the game out of reach.

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by HighTops on Dec 1, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

I’m not clear on the Casspi thing either, except that we couldn’t buy a bucket in the third quarter and I think he was hoping for some offense. Clearly it didn’t work, and if anything, he probably left Casspi out there too long.

I still think a lot of our stagnant offense is the players rather than the plays themselves (e.g. coaching.) Young players usually have one or two go-to moves. When those don’t work, they start to get confused. So I think it could be a combination of not knowing the plays, and/or not completing the other options. If you watch Beno, it seems like every other play he is waving someone to get somewhere or shouting at them as they run back down the court. At first this really bugged me—like he thought be was better than everyone else. Now, I’m starting to wonder if he’s actually trying to teach them where they are supposed to be.

Probably not a coincidence that Tyreke is the only player with less than three years of NBA experience who is starting. And even then, things sometimes run smoother when Beno is on the floor instead of him. But I think PW would be crucified if he started Beno over ’Reke.

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by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Excellent analysis

in both the green’d comment and above. I have put my noose and shower curtain rod away for the day, thank you….

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by Sacto_J on Dec 1, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd

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by raiderking21 on Dec 1, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

pacers, no changes??

they went out and got Collison and moved Murphy.

by noreboundsnorings on Dec 1, 2010 7:47 AM PST reply actions  

Personally I don't consider either of those huge

It’s not like they went out and got a rock star, or changed coaches, or playing style. 90% of the team is the exact same guys doing a better job at what they were doing last year. I am a Collison fan, but he didn’t turn this team around.

"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."

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by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Collison helped

but your point is valid

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

3's and free throws

Mind you, our inability to shoot 3’s and free throws isn’t the primary cause of these lapses that we have each game, but they are a big reason why we are unable to survive them. 25% from 3 and 65% line last night. The league medians (35.7% and 76.8%) would have generated 9 more points last night.

This team certainly has some complex issues. But sometimes it’s the simple things like sticking wide open threes and converting your free throws that spells the difference between victory and defeat.

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by section214 on Dec 1, 2010 7:59 AM PST reply actions  

Tyreke

I think he still has the mindset of getting his 20-5-5, because in the first half he plays well, running the offense and racking up assists, then in the second half his focus becomes scoring and rebounding.

Which is, I know, an oversimplification of the issue, but if his head is wrong, that’s where it starts.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 1, 2010 8:44 AM PST reply actions  

I actually missed the 1st and 3rd quarters of this game but

I get the impression that when the Kings are down around 10 points (or just down a few with not much time left) that Tyreke kind of puts it all on himself to do everything. This could be a completely wrong and biased observation but … eh

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I think you're right

And I think that will actually be okay once he gets better at recognizing the defense and how to respond to it. As soon as Reke masters the ability to find the right man and pass out of a double or triple team, teams will have to play him more honestly. Even the best players in the league can’t continue to do it all themselves, but most teams run their plays through their best player.

"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."

Section 214

by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

It's the players, not the coaches

Musselman, Thues, Natt, and now Westphaul haven’t been able to win with this group of YOUNG players because they’re still learning the NBA game. Westphaul is a good coach but he can only do so much , it’s the PLAYERS who have to go out there and execute and right now this shouldn’t be much of a surprise we are losing games although its sad to see.

by Mrchristopher10 on Dec 1, 2010 8:59 AM PST reply actions  

Disagree with Natt and Musselman

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

it the coachs not players

westfall changes line-up more that any coach in the nba because he can not call plays!seen what happened in seattle etc.he is here because he is cheap for maloffs.

by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Dec 1, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

The success of the Triangle has nothing to do with

Jordan, Pippen, O’neal, Bryant, Gasol, a rotating cast of 3 point shooters.

IT’S THE SYSTEM THAT WORKS!!! The System!

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by tomroadrunner on Dec 1, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Triangle Offense

Code for Superstars get the ball

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by bignerd on Dec 1, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

That system does create open shots

tough to learn and you need the right pieces though. One of the pieces is indeed that the Star gets a LOT of pretty good shots.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

If DMC is the real deal

that could be a great offense for him. The rest of our roster minus Beno would be completely brain dead to it methinks, kinda like our current offense.

by jstnblke41 on Dec 1, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Beno would own the triangle I think

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Was anybody else as impressed as I was with the Pacers last night?

They ran their offense smoothly; their sets were really nice, involving well set screens at both the top and the bottom of the key. Granger looked great coming off those screens for threes.

They had a few sets which involved a quick and effective screen under the basket for Hibbert where it allowed him great position. He’d receive the ball quickly and use 1 or 2 moves before putting up the shot. Great basketball to watch.

If anything, it showed me how far we are from executing as well as they did last night. But I still got hope.

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by kingsfan300 on Dec 1, 2010 9:12 AM PST reply actions  

The Pacers played very much like I hope we wil at some point down the road

Lots of movement. Team play. Good rotations. Drawing fouls (and making them.) I think the biggest difference between us and them (other than experience) is that we haven’t been making our threes or our free throws.

"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."

Section 214

by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

pacers played like we should?

I am still waiting.pacers i thought okc?i guess we will be like the raiders and keep hoping we can win.

by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Dec 1, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

If only we spent the money and hired Kurt Rambis last year cowboyron

or tried to sign Stan Van Gundy instead of Theus. Oh darn if only we did those things! Thank God we didn’t go with that nobody Scotty Brooks though. Really dodged a bullet not signing that small money guy!

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Jim O'Brien has changed my view of him.

He’s done pretty well with a low tier All-Star (Granger) and a bunch of role players that are mostly young. Yet, they’ve consistently been around the 13 seed. It’s amazing how little support they’ve gotten from Indianapolis in recent years.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

He's done a good job

insisting they implement his system. Players do buy in when the wins start coming. It helps of course when your best player scores 37.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

How many years has he been coaching that team now?

Seems like they’ve been hovering around mediocre for a while, and that he’s been coaching them for a very long time. I’m glad to see that they’ve broken out of that, because their offense was fun to watch last night. I’m probably going to make more of an effort to watch them now.

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by kingsfan300 on Dec 1, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

They've been mediocre the entire time he's been a Head Coach.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Indiana basketball fans are some of the smartest in the nation. They want the Pacers to prove to them that they’re a good basketball team. I believe fan support will rally around the Pacers if they continue at this pace, but for now the fans attention will be centered on Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, and Butler.

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by 49er16 on Dec 1, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I would add a caveat

Indiana basketball fans are some of the most emotionally scarred fans as well.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

That as well

They still haven’t gotten over the Artest Melee.

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"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
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by 49er16 on Dec 1, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

On Hibbert

That guy looked lean and pretty strong. He’s come a long way in his 3rd year. I’d note that DMC matched him statistically except for a few assists.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Holy cow

He went from a plodding, technically proficient guy to a more athletic version. Very impressed with Hibbert last night.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 1, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Hibbert made a leap that you can't predict in a player.

Good for him.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

weight loss did him good

real good

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

from mediocre to almost a double-double guy

16 and 9.5 when last year he was 11.7 and 5.7 and being critcized for rebounding. Not anymore.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Hibbert made a leap that is as rare as a player going from an All-Star to a true superstar.

It’s almost unheard of.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the weight loss helped in both statistical categories

He’s more active around the basket, on the offensive and defensive ends.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 1, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Good article from Amick on him at Fanhouse

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Below

HERE

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

One thing about Hibbert that I was really impressed with last night

was his finishing ability at the hoop. I’m so used to seeing guys put up a shot against Dally and getting it shoved back in their face or have to take a bad shot and clank it, but Hibbert was consistently able to get in a great position and get the ball exactly where it needed to go (namely, directly into the basket).

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 1, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Cousins did a better job on him than Sammy did to my recollection

used his weight and size on him.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

DMC's best game of the season.

I like that I’m saying that with more regularity.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

A really good, controlled game

yes, more soon please.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

He does that often enough

and teams will have to game plan for him. Actually, I think they did early in the season which is a big part of why he struggled.

College just doesn’t prepare bigs for playing other quality bigs every night.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the key for Cuz last night

was that the first chance he had at an open jumper, he took it and he nailed it. Then he did the same thing the next time he had the chance. Then his swagger was on big time, he started calling for the ball, he hit a couple more jumpers, mixed in some fakes and some inside game (even a sweet pass or two)… I think what we saw last night is what DMC can be at his best: a multi-talented player who can be almost unstoppable when he’s on the top of his game. I also think he’s learning pretty quickly on the defensive end (I did see him completely lose his man a couple of times). Now, if he can work on the foul trouble, and keep that confidence in his jumper (but not rely on it too much), then we’ll be in business.

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 1, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

What I liked about Cuz was that he wasn't apprehensive. He was aggressive and didn't think about taking the J. He just took it.

Defensively, he’s improved more than I thought he would. Of course, offensively is where I thought he would be better consistently.

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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Aggressive - but not recklessly

not blindly, but with a purpose.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep. Easier said than done.

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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Casspi is nodding his head somewhere

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

The way he was scoring, he looked more like 8'2 Landry.

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 1, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Bullwinkle-wally11

Hey i am a kings fan do not call me a troll.i have a panhead.

by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Dec 1, 2010 9:20 AM PST reply actions  

You have a panhead?

That may explain some things.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 1, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll be honest

no clue what a panhead is

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I figured it was literally a pan instead of a head?

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 1, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That is the most adorable insult ever.

Wally, I’m sorry, but I’m totally going to call you Bullwinkle from now on.

It has been decided.

"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP

by tomroadrunner on Dec 1, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

No prob like Bullwinkle

Yogi Bear is awesome too

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

What are we in an 80s movie bar scene or something?

Is this where I say “I don’t want any trouble” and you tell me “Oh yeah, well you got trouble!”

You come on here and through up your “The Maloofs suck and won’t spend money! Fire the coach! Trade Cisco (my personal favorite because you are assuming the Kings haven’t tried and that there is a market out there were people would be willing to give us something for Cisco)! Fire the coach! The Magoofs suck and it’s all their fault because they wouldn’t spend on a coach (another favorite because apparantly you think Kurt Rambis would have solved everything or even come here!” There is no dialogue, you just bitch and wine and lob complaints and then disappear to come back another day and do the same exact trollish thing. Up until this point you ignore every rationale response and just complain complain complain complain complain complain complain complain …

So yeah you have been trolling.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

You are so wrong, Wally.

It’s spelled “Maloffs”.

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 1, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

KNOCK THAT BATTERY OFF MY SHOULDER WALLYWAGON...I DARE YA!

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 1, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

This town ain't big enough for the two of us!

"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."

Section 214

by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

As much of a supporter of Casspi as I am

(I still think he’ll develop into a legit NBA starting SF)

It’s pretty clear that the biggest hole on the team is there right now. Because of their current skill level, or the restrictions PW has put on them (?), they don’t scare other teams. You just have to have a 2nd scary pereimeter wing player to have a lot of success.

If no trade is coming soon I think PW has got to release those hounds and see what they can do.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 9:30 AM PST reply actions  

I'm talking Donte AND Casspi of course

We need to find out if either can really be a legit starting SF.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep. That's what really lost the game last night

The battle of the SF we lost badly. I wish we could have got Micheal Beasley when the heat wanted to get rid of him.

by KingsFan on Dec 1, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Right now

neither one is.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

To be honest, I think Donte is more-or-less meeting expectations at this point

considering his youth and inexperience. I can almost guarantee that some of those open looks he’s getting are going to start to fall more often. He has a good shot. He just hasn’t had to use it much in a while (plus, maybe the whole weight-gain/weight-loss is affecting things a bit?). I love that we’ve been seeing more of him slashing to the hoop, catching lobs for dunks, finishing at the rim, grabbing rebounds… maybe not quite as consistently as we’d all like to see, but good enough for now in my book.

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 1, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Feel free to tune out for a few years until we're back to our winning ways.

The bandwagon will slow down for you.

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 1, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

and if the Kings leave town

then we’ll stop the bandwagon in its tracks and light that sucker on fire.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

There Are No

leaders on this team. None.

by AoxomoxoA on Dec 1, 2010 10:41 AM PST reply actions  

How do you define a leader

Is it the young stud who takes the team on his back, even when he probably shouldn’t? Is it the vet who does his job day in and day out without complaining whether he come off the bench or starts? Is it the guys who screams at other players who screw up and points out where they should be? Because we have all of those.

Unfortunately too many people say a team has no leaders when what they really mean is that the team isn’t winning. We have lots of leaders. In fact at time we have too many leaders and not enough followers. What we need are people who understand their role and have the experience and practice to accomplish it.

"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."

Section 214

by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

And these struggles are one of the way you get practice and experience to become more savvy and understanding of how the NBA game works.

Funny how many people don’t understand the chicken & egg thing.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I Would Define a Leader by

using Vlade as an example. He was a floor general. Any of the great point guards. Guys who keep the team running as a team.

by AoxomoxoA on Dec 1, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I think leadership is overrated.

I think having a talented player who is driven is what matters.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Some would say that being driven is being a leader

Everyone has a different perspective on what being a leader is.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah. Well, it's easier to play with Kareem Abdul Jabbar in his prime than DeMarcus Cousins when he's a rookie and learning the league.

Also, yeah, it’s just easier playing with Kareem period.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

So what you're saying is


Miss Daisy is the leader that we have been lacking?

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by section214 on Dec 1, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Actually I was saying it was the gold digger blonde that Dan Akroyd married is the leader.

But, close does count in hand grenades and horseshoes.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I was responding to Aykis'
Some would say that being driven is being a leader

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by section214 on Dec 1, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

My bad.

At least my response was funny.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Well at least I'm good at something.

Wooohooooooo!

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Meh -

It was on life support anyway. pookey just went all Kevorkian on it.

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by section214 on Dec 1, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I think this is the point though

Because the only one thing in common with everyone’s perspective is the leader is winning

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

My apologies...

I have nothing positive to say about the KINGS…. so I will close my “Carl’s Jr $6 Guacamole and Bacon Burger” hole… I am done with pie.

Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...

by kromeace on Dec 1, 2010 10:49 AM PST reply actions  

Well there's your problem

Never, ever, be done with pie.

"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."

Section 214

by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Yuuuum

pie

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

...and I'll be cropping this one a bit...

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 1, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Maybe I'm being too optimistic

but I was actually a little relieved to some extent about what I saw yesterday. I’m disappointed that we lost (again…) but the fact that we played better was encouraging even if it was only a little better. We were in the game for the most part until near the end of the game which is more than I can say about the Chicago game. The hope is that they will build on this and not have huge lapses like that ugly third quarter.

Things I liked:

Tyreke Evans’ first half – Once again Tyreke had a great first half. He was aggressive and ‘passive’ at the same time racking up his 8 assists and getting to the basket. He was also active on defense for the most part, moving his feet and keeping Brandon Rush from getting too many open looks. I hope I see more of this from Tyreke, but for 48 minutes instead of 24 (hell I’ll give for 40 minutes consistently from him).

Beno Udrih’s resurgence – Now this is the Beno we all like to see. He hit his jumper, didn’t force the action, and tried hard on defense. I’m encouraged by his 2-3 mark from beyond the arc and I’m hoping that this continues because he is too good a shooter to continue struggling like this. I’d like him to distribute the ball a little bit more to move the offense, but, given his great shooting night, I’m willing to let it slide this time.

Demarcus playing under control – Demarcus Cousins had a great game today, maybe his best of the season. But what I liked seeing from him was that he didn’t force and he didn’t turn the ball over by trying to do too much. I’d like to see him have just a little bit more patience, ala Carl Landry, if he goes into too much traffic. Note: still don’t like seeing him shoot the three, even if it only was his seventh this year (can’t blame him much though).

Donte and JT’s energy – Given this team at times looks like they are sleepwalking out there, I love how these two never give up and are always full of energy. I especially liked the play where Donte dove after a loose ball to knock it off Tyler Hansbrough’s leg out of bounds. I just hope that these two rub this energy onto their teammates a little bit.

Things I didn’t like:

Luther Head’s shooting – It’s not just the fact that he’s missing but his shot is just painful to watch. The over-the-head jump-forward shooting motion he has makes me cringe at times. Aside from that, I wouldn’t mind watching that jumpshot if it went in, but it just hasn’t. I know Head’s a good shooter and his defense has been excellent thus far so we’ll see if he’ll come through.

Going to Dalembert in the low post – I know he’s tall but why go to an offensively-limited big in the post when you have other scoring options? Maybe a play broke down and he was forced to take it himself I don’t really know. What I do know is if Dalembert is the distributor from the post and the play breaks down, get it out of his hands.

Third Quarter – There was nothing positive I could take from this quarter except the fact that we weren’t down 20 by the end of it. The defense dropped badly giving the Pacers open shots, even though some didn’t drop. The offensive drop is what scares me, and maybe everyone on this blog. The ball movement stopped and it seems like they couldn’t run a simple play. I doubt PW told the team at the half to stop the movement and go one on five. This young team still hasn’t found the way to consistently execute in the half court. It seems like they panic whenever their initial option is taken away and end up forcing something, whether its a pass or a shot.

Overall, this team is gradually getting better but they still aren’t going to see many wins until they learn to execute consistently and to remain calm and patient if the first option is gone. I don’t know how long this learning curve will take but I hope it’s soon.

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