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Dominant Kobe Bryant, Lakers Beat Back Kings 112-100

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The Kings had two spells in the fourth quarter where they made a real run at the Lakers: when Kobe Bryant was on the bench, and when Luther Head was guarding the former MVP. Head did a great job on Bryant, forcing difficult shots without fouling, something the other Kings who got an opportunity to check No. 24 -- Tyreke Evans, Omri Casspi and Francisco Garcia -- simply couldn't do.

Since Head didn't get his shot until the fourth, Kobe ended up with a brilliant line: 30 points on 9-22 floor, 3-6 threes, 9-10 line, with 10 rebounds, 12 assists and just one turnover. He was, as he is in so many games against the Kings and, well, everyone else, the difference.

(Excuse me; my mouth is full of vomit, and I need to empty it, sterilize it and watch Tyreke give Matt Barnes vertigo again.)

Much better.

Star-divide

The Kings did plenty right in the 112-100 loss, but the Lakers are too good right now for anything less than perfection from a team like Sacramento to beat them. And the Kings weren't perfect, especially on defense, where Kobe ran wild and L.A.'s starting five combined to go 10-15 from behind the arc. Part of that comes from the difficulty of guarding Pau Gasol in the post -- the Spaniard shredded DeMarcus Cousins early, requiring help to come down and freeing up the Lakers' wings. The rest came from Kobe setting up his teammates off the dribble -- Bryant has a way of sucking the defense into the paint, and, at least for this night, Lamar Odom and Ron Artest had ways to make the Kings pay.

Sacramento wasn't perfect on offense, either. Cousins shot just 3-13, missing two spot-up threes (plus an attempted buzzer-beater) in the process. It's unfortunate DMC floated out that far late in the game considering how well he assaulted Pau in the early going down on the block. Casspi also had a rough night on offense, hitting just 1-5 in 22 minutes. His playing time, however, was short for two reasons: he couldn't do anything with Kobe, he couldn't do anything with Artest, and Francisco Garcia was (again) paying out of his mind on offense.

Evans had an ankle scare after a first quarter-ending collision with Odom; he came back to score 15 more points for a total of 21. He hit one long jumper, but missed both threes (including one that could have cut the deficit to five midway through the fourth) and lived on the dribble-drive. The Kings were awful from long-range as a team (Garcia was 3-6, the rest of the team 3-16), and when that happens, Evans' assist totals fall off the table. He had just two in 29 minutes. (Why the short minutes? Foul trouble. Kobe got him rang up time after time. Evans had five late in the third.)

Jason Thompson was active and effective off the bench, especially on defense (where he showed well and challenged shots) and the boards (10 in 12 minutes). His offense wasn't there, and Carl Landry was sharp enough in the first half that J.T. really got lost in the rotation. Speaking of "lost in the rotation," Donte Greene, who last season guarded Kobe about as well as any King since Doug Christie guarded Kobe, didn't see a second of playing time, again.

Samuel Dalembert was also terrific, handling Gasol much better than Cousins had a chance to. Like Thompson, his offense wasn't there. Garcia, right now, reminds me of 2005-06 Kevin Martin -- the version who was behind Mike Bibby, Brad Miller, Bonzi Wells and Peja Stojakovic-then-Ron Artest in the pecking order, but scored in bunches quietly and efficiently. Of course, that Martin was 22 and this Garcia is 29; alas.

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Jim Gray didn't work the game for Comcast, and I noticed Heather Cox on media row, so I assume Jim Gray didn't work the game for ESPN. (Correct me if I'm wrong, as I didn't watch the ESPN telecast.) Of all games for Jim Gray not to work, the Lakers' first visit is an odd choice. I bet the team's last sideline reporter wouldn't have had a scheduling conflict. And it would have been cool to get an injury update on Evans a bit before he re-entered the game. That's what sideline reporters are for.

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what’s up with that huh? seeing kate every game was awesome :D if she needs a roommate i’m available!!

by blowfishee on Nov 4, 2010 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

She moved to NYC.

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by Juan Primo on Nov 4, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

apt # ?

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by ElRonToro on Nov 4, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I could give you that information,

but that would violate the terms of the restraining order, wouldn’t it?

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by section214 on Nov 4, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

How was the crowd after all?

Any Fakers fans chanting the unnamed curse?

by ZenBaller on Nov 4, 2010 7:17 AM PDT reply actions  

don't know about anybody else

but there were l*ker fans in front of me, to either side of me and my brother, and behind as well. i was surrounded by them

by alberto18 on Nov 4, 2010 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Too many Lakers fans...

Many were decent fans, but I had a few obnoxious fans around me…The good thing is every time I would start to hear an “M-V-P” chant, the Kings fans would counter with a “Kobe Sucks!” chant. Not a true statement, but TOTALLY hillarious.

by clicc916 on Nov 4, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Watched the game on CSN...

And it seemed the crowd erupted on most big Laker plays. The Lakerfan was loud last night. Ugh.

by defender96 on Nov 4, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Glass half full

12 point loss, but as Ziller and others have pointed out, that was with Kobe being Kobe, the Fakers shooting a good percentage in general (particularly from 3 and including free throws) and us not really doing any of those things. On a somewhat exasperated note, does any team in the league miss more point blank shots than us?

Trends that disturb me: Top Hat’s offense involving more and more 18-20 foot jump shots; JT at the 3; Donte not seeing the light of day

by outrider on Nov 4, 2010 7:28 AM PDT reply actions  

To add to trends that disturb me

DeMarcus shooting 4 threes. I knew right away that once he hit that first one (which I would’ve given him, I’ll let him take one set three, wide open, late in the shot clock every game), that he’d shoot more. Disappointing considering he was almost getting what he wanted down low.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 4, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

His post work was very effective, particularly against Gasol, who did flop on that one particular play. And if that was an offensive foul on DMC, then the stuff Shaq got away with on offense back in the day would be felonies in most states. Nice to see Gasol’s understudy to master thespian Fisher is going well.

On a somewhat related side note, I always found it amusing/irritating that Divac got so much crap for flopping back in the day while nobody mentioned that the Fakers had not 1 but 2 academy award winners back in those days- fisher and horry.

by outrider on Nov 4, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

ufcking Fisher

He doesn’t actually play defense anymore, he just runs into you and falls down, know the ref will call in his favor 70% of the time.

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by Ice_9ine on Nov 4, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

And the fact that he’s had the same bullsh*t act for years and the refs still give him those calls is terrible. And on the 30% of the time he doesn’t get the call his act consists of looking at the ref in disbelief that he didn’t get the call, then bitching at the ref for not making the call.

by outrider on Nov 4, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

As a Kings fan in the days of Vlade

I don’t feel like I can really talk

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 4, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I had the exact same thought on that offensive foul

It was like watching Shaq vs. Vlade in Bizarro World, where the teams are switched and the refs call the offensive foul. Maybe after a couple of years of post dominance, DMC will start getting that call.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 4, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

That is a trend that must stop NOW.

The last thing we need is a DMC that is a perimeter player.

Get on the block!!!

by Hoops Mike on Nov 4, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love Cousins

But he needs to cut down on his fouls.

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by 49er16 on Nov 4, 2010 8:10 AM PDT reply actions  

and 3's...

plus his 3 point attempts. he had 4 in that game i believe. DMC, you are not a long shooter – get to the RIM!!

by blowfishee on Nov 5, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

we learn a few good things from this game

Nobody can guard tyreke in the lakers. Cousins has bad shot selection. I kind of blame the couching staff. Get him the ball on the paint. Look what he was doing in the first quarter. Cousin defense sucks. Overall good game but we still need to improve a lot to be in the race for the playoffs.

by Kenneth256 on Nov 4, 2010 8:15 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Teams

who’s primary options will both be playing in the rookie/sophmore game at midseason don’t go to the playoffs.

Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.

by TheFifthMookie on Nov 4, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh no, play like we did last night

We beat most teams, good teams. Playoff teams.

Now can we get/keep the focus to play like that every game? I don’t know. But that was briefly a playoff team we saw wearing Kings jerseys.
Do just a little better on 3s and FTs and otherwise play the same game all year = playoffs.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

And, have Reke stop reaching on defense

move your feet man!

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by Shizzo on Nov 4, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

Kobe is an all-time player but Tyreke reaching and going for steals made Kobes night easy. He got a ton of points and assists because he was often going 2 on 1 because of Tyreke going for steals and getting himself completely out of position. We could really benefit from a defensive minded off guard who doesn’t demand shots for teams with dominant wing players.

by jstnblke41 on Nov 5, 2010 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope we also learned

that Tyreke should not be guarding elite perimeter players under any circumstances this year. Its an easy switch to put Casspi, Donte, or 3rd Base on a player like Kobe, Wade, D. Rose and have Tyreke guard the small forward. When Tyreke gets in foul trouble it takes the punch out of our team.

by Travis Mays Hayes on Nov 4, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw a few flashes of Zach Randolph 2.0 yesterday

And me no likey. DMC was KILLING the Lakers inside during the first half. He got blocked twice on the same possession in the second half and didn’t look the same after that.

It’s too bad Evans was in foul trouble—nobody on the Lakers could guard him one-on-one (or even three-on-one as evidenced by the video above).

Lastly, I wish they would have fed Garcia more in the fourth. I believe Westphal had a crew of Garcia-Udrih-Dalembert-Jackson-Head for a few minutes. Head, Dalembert, and Jackson were looking terrible, offensively, so why didn’t they give the ball to Garcia? He was running around through screens, but he was on the opposite side of the court while Head and Udrih were playing a two-man game…It was very frustrating to watch.

*Bonus- If you were at the game you got to see a hilarious segment during a timeout. It was basically the PowerBall event from American Gladiators. Slamson played the role of the gladiator, while there was a Lakers contestant and a Kings contestant—both dressed in a sumo outfit. The goal was to get their ball inside a barrel—the one with the most balls in by the end of the timed event was the winner. Slamson would prevent both contestants from scoring points. As the Lakers contestant was going to put the ball in the barrel, Slamson drop-kicked right in the gut. It must’ve hurt, but boy was it funny.

by clicc916 on Nov 4, 2010 8:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Saying that DMC's lower potential is Zach Randolph after just 5 games

Doesn’t worry me at all right now.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here here...

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by Sacto_J on Nov 4, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

The starters and the bench

Looking at the box score, it looks like all of our starters had negative +/- ratings and all of our bench had positive numbers. LA was almost the opposite— Caracter was +5 in one minute, but every other bench player was negative while every starter was positive.

It looks like our starters may have gotten outclassed by the defending champions while our bench helped keep the final score respectable.

by twasserm on Nov 4, 2010 8:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Love that line

“Tyreke took ’em all on and beat ’em all”

by tricky bastard on Nov 4, 2010 8:53 AM PDT reply actions  

I watched the ESPN broadcast

They did have the lady sideline reporter, and they did have a Tyreke injury update, but the update was “the report we’re getting right now is that his return is doubtful”, maybe 90 seconds before he returned to the bench. Another note on the ESPN broadcast, I of course missed the entire first quarter because the Boston game went into OT. That sucked, but it particularly sucked because throughout the game the announcers kept mentioning how awesome the 1st quarter was. “Holy effing shit, Mark Jackson, can you believe that first quarter we just witnessed?!? I’m so excited, I need to go rub one out!” Ouch, ESPN.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 4, 2010 9:08 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Haha, I noticed that too. I thought it was hilarious.

I might be stepping on a hornet’s nest right now, but I thought that Mark Jackson was pretty good. He favored the Lakers a lot, but he also seemed very aware of the fact that the Kings are a young, talented team that is in the process of taking their lumps.

"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP

by tomroadrunner on Nov 4, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mark Jackson ....

is the king of the obvious and had the weirdest cheeseball lines

he was a definite laker suckup

by tricky bastard on Nov 4, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

What bothered me most about Jackson's commentary

Is he never once lauded on the play of Beno Udrih. Beno finally gets some ESPN time, steps up to the plate and plays brilliantly as the point guard. As a former point guard, Jackson ought to have said something intelligent of Beno’s play – Instead, after every great play he pulled off, Jackson said absolutely nothing……. just awkward silence.

by DennisScott3D on Nov 4, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

You expect an idiot to provide intelligent commentary?

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I could be wrong...

but I think I remember him saying that Beno was playing like “a point guard version of Manu Ginobili” or am I just imagining this? That might not be how I would categorize Beno’s play, but its a positive acknowledgement of Beno’s contributions.

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by SactoRyan on Nov 4, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

He did

In the first quarter I believe

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by edm7 on Nov 4, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Left handed, white

Some type of foreigner

Thats about all they know

by lchristmas on Nov 4, 2010 3:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

They're the defending champions, and are extremely good.

They should be focused on, at least right now.

"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP

by tomroadrunner on Nov 4, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I thought generally the broadcast team was fine

Obviously, there was a Lakers-centric slant to everything, but that’s understandable.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 4, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I hated that Celtics game. I don’t care about the post-game interview, there was a game in progress. And then, yeah, exclaiming how great the first quarter was.

It’s funny, since I finally shelled out the cash for LP, I now hate when the Kings are on national TV. This situation also made me realize my programming line-up doesn’t include ESPN Classic. However, this was the first time I missed having it.

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by Exhibit G on Nov 4, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was on ESPN Classic

I saw the whole game (switched to ESPN after the 1st). I knew when the Cs went into overtime that they would move the game to another ESPN network, and they did.

by Mityt on Nov 4, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

As stated, I don’t have ESPN Classic.

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by Exhibit G on Nov 4, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Luther Head is only allowed to shoot lay ups

his three point shot looks awful. He kept throwing them up. You are open for a reason.
Great to see cousins man up to gasol. he’s going to be a bad ass. no donte tonight?

by AdamInTheNoseBleeds on Nov 4, 2010 9:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Luther Head...

leans into his shot, which is technically horrible. It is just as bad as fading away for no reason. A player should never be leaning into his shot. He has nice mechanics otherwise, but he should never be moving towards the basket on his release.

Head is shooting 32% overall (7-22) and 23% (3-13) from 3. If this doesn’t get better, its time for Pooh.

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by bench_blob on Nov 4, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm
If this doesn’t get better, it’s time for Pooh.

TWSS?

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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 4, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well

He was 3-8 from three before last night, which is good. And he killed in preseason. And he was the only King who could slow down Kobe.

by Tom Ziller on Nov 4, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was

I was surprised how badly Tyreke looked against him, I would have expected more with Tyreke’s physical gifts.

by MichaelMack on Nov 4, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

It looked like Tyreke was trying to defend Kobe by reaching for steals

I would have liked to see him use his weight and strength to slow kobe down rather than swiping for steals. Half of Kobe’s drives looked like he was waiting for someone to slow him down, and when no one did, he just casually went right into the paint.

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by SactoRyan on Nov 4, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's surprisingly pesky

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by tomroadrunner on Nov 4, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

head was there for defense...

as PW said, luther was in the game at the end to slow down kobe because of the foul troubles. but i said why not throw in donte right? i mean DONTE practically stopped kobe the last time i remembered, or garcia even. don’t get me wrong, head did a good job, but he just wasn’t there all for the offense.

by blowfishee on Nov 5, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm curious what everyone's opinions are on Westphal at this point.

He’s certainly better than the coaching carousel of the past few years, but as I watch this team try to mature I become less and less sure that he’s the long term solution. When I see Cousins shooting threes, or Tyreke gambling on the reach while guarding Kobe, or Donte getting no burn at all even in spot defensive minutes – those sorts of things seem to point to a coaching issue.

I’m not trying to be a Debbie Downer, it’s just something that concerns me going forward and I’m curious what you all think.

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by Jaycee on Nov 4, 2010 9:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Rotations

Overall this is what I expected last night. Our boys competed hard, but L.A. is just really god damn good. DeMarcus had his mistakes, but showed flashes of brilliance, Tyreke looked good, but got into foul trouble guarding Kobe. I’ve got little problem with that, he was at least trying to deny him the ball. My two problems with this game are Westphal’s obsession with Carl Landry and Luther Head. These guys have played well so far this season, but I don’t know why they should get guaranteed minutes when he’ll pull Omri after a couple bad plays or won’t let Donte in the game at all.

Luther did play good defense on Kobe for a few plays (and Kobe helped him out by missing a couple shots that he would normally make), but come on, who wouldn’t rather see Donte defending him on those plays? And Luther was ice cold from range tonight, which is supposed to be his specialty. Why isn’t Garcia getting Luther’s minutes at guard, and Donte getting Garcia’s minutes at SF???

Secondly, both JT and Darnell (Mothafooking Juice Man) Jackson outplayed Landry tonight. They weren’t embarassing us on offense and their defense/rebounding was WAAAY better tonight. Right as we were going on a run which Darnell was a big part of, he got pulled and Carl was back in the game. He didn’t impress me tonight, rebounding was suspect as always, and he had trouble going in amongst the tall trees. I think he should get big minutes generally, but if other guys are playing better, then PLAY THEM!

by Grantnapeareatskittens on Nov 4, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with most of what you said

PW does seem to get pretty stubborn, in both good ways and bad ways I think. Obviously JT should have been on the floor more after cleaning up on the boards during our first half run. I think Luther was left in the game far too long, especially since we couldnt score. Let Cisco or Donte get on Kobe, he was going to get cold at some point, he always does, he doesnt have a great shooting percentage. We needed buckets last nite in the fourth.

by MichaelMack on Nov 4, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aside from Darnell Jackson in limited minutes

Landry was the only guy in our frontcourt who had even a decent offensive game last night.

by Deleran on Nov 4, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for this:
My two problems with this game are Westphal’s obsession with Carl Landry and Luther Head. These guys have played well so far this season, but I don’t know why they should get guaranteed minutes when he’ll pull Omri after a couple bad plays or won’t let Donte in the game at all.

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by RikSmits on Nov 4, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't worry about Cousins launching 3s

He knows his strengths and will play to them. Last night he made one, and the others he took was when the offensive play set was going nowhere and as a team we were in semi-desperate mode. This will not be a recurring pattern, I am certain of that.

Still, DMCs shot from there looks as good to me as Tyreke’s and certainly Luther Head. So while he has a fair chance of nailing the shot, it obviously is not where he belongs.

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by bench_blob on Nov 4, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't worry?

Are you shitting me? He did this shit at Kentucky too. Not worry? Playing to his strengths is a definite problem of DeMarcus Cousins that he will have to solve in order to become an All-Star level player. He is nowhere near that point though, unfortunately.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, it's just much less work to launch the three than bang around in the post

We’ll see over time if Cousins has the mentality to be an impact player down low. Fighting for rebounds and scoring in the paint is a much more physical pursuit in the NBA than at the University of Kentucky.

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Especially when you aren't playing NBA caliber bigs night in & night out.

I’m not sure New Jersey would even consider taking DMC in exchange for Derrick Favors. In fact, you’d have to question Billy King’s sanity if he did that swap.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously Cousins is going to be a good player

and possibly great, but I would trade him for Derrick Favors in a second.

by MichaelMack on Nov 4, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's moot really.

The Wolves and the Nets both wanted Favors over Cousins. And, in the Wolves case, they wanted Wesley Johnson over Cousins too.

Nothing i’ve seen from Cousins makes me think either team should regret their decision.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep. Committed long defender with nutso athleticism.

Shawn Marion redux.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

This post has me questioning your sanity.

DMC’s problem isn’t 3 pointers, it’s focus. The glass is full almost all the way to the top, so I’m amused that you see it so bone dry. But I guess we all are entitled to our points of view.

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by Holmdel on Nov 4, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can't speak for Pookey

But this goes back to the draft for me. I believe there was information early on discussing how Cousins saw himself as more of a 4 in the league, and there were questions on whether he would adapt to the rough and tumble type of basketball you see in the low posts of the NBA.

If not, then the comparisons to him as a Zach Randolph type player might be fairly accurate. Which is not a bad thing, but not the type of anchor we’d expect to take us to a championship-caliber type squad.

But I agree that it’s way to early to make those type of pronouncements. But every time I see DMC preferring the 3-pointer to fighting for space in the post, it’s going to enter my mind.

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Question my sanity. But I'm not wrong.

The problem is focus, and it manifests itself in 3 pointers. Why the fuck should DeMarcus Cousins take 3 pointers? Pau Gasol probably could hit 3’s, but do you see him taking those? No? Why? Perhaps because he understands he’s unstoppable in the mid range area and closer to the basket in many matchup’s.

Playing to your strength is an issue for DMC. Sometimes he forgets he can’t do it all.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

well, I certainly agree with you on Gasol

as much as I hate to say it, I have to admire the way the Lakers know their roles, and stick to them. That’s a sign of a veteran Phil Jackson coached team. Very disciplined.

DMC openly admires and studies Gasol. He’s a rook and he’s got a lot to learn, but I have never heard Zackbo talk about openly admiring a disciplined fellow player. Speaks to his maturity and intelligence.

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by Holmdel on Nov 4, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

You know what?

DMC never had been arrested for selling pot before he was in the NBA either? There was a reason Randolph dropped to 19th overall in the 2001 draft. All of it was due to character concerns.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why the fuck should DeMarcus Cousins take 3 pointers?

“Because there are no 4s.”

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by Juan Primo on Nov 4, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

Oh God

Did Antoine Walker go to Kentucky?

Oh God.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 4, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Stats on Demarcus taking 3's

In 5 regular season games, Demarcus has taken 6 3PA’s: 4 last night, 1 in 2 games, 0 in 2 games. In 7 preseason games, he took 4 3PA’s: 2 in 1 game, 1 in 2 games, 0 in 4 games. So he’s taken 2+ in 2 games, 1 in 4 games, and 0 in 6 games. While he converted most of them in the preseason (3/4) , there are very few situations in which he should take them in my opinion. That said, I don’t think its some epidemic problem, he’s not sitting out there like an Okur or a Rasheed Wallace. In half his games in a Kings jersey he hasn’t even attempted a 3.

by Deleran on Nov 4, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Still very much behind Westphal.

As benchblob said, the Cousins launching 3s thing was very much because of desperation. And it’s not like Cousins has been hanging out at the 3-point line in the other games. Westphal has been giving Cousins and Tyreke lots of opportunities. They are both young and will make mistakes. They will also learn from them.

I agree, I would have liked to see Donte guarding Kobe a little bit, but I thought Head did a great job on him.

The positives are that Omri is playing great so far this season and that Tyreke and Cousins also look very good. A few frustration mistakes when guarding Kobe by Tyreke is not a reason to hang Westphal in my opinion.

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by lodisacfan on Nov 4, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think PW has been perfect for us, frankly. A perfect fit. He's wise, he's got a vision for this team, and he showed

real leadership by sticking to that vision even when it meant turning his back on KMart, Spence, Donte (minutes-wise) and JT (minutes-wise).

Fans get enamored with certain players who sometimes are not the right fit for the team. It takes a leader to stick to his vision and be willing to anger some fans in the short-term.

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by Holmdel on Nov 4, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's not my intention to hang Westphal out to dry for the mistakes of this game alone.

Those were just the things that stood out to me in this game. Whether Westphal can be the coach to take us into the future is a difficult question. On the one hand this is a very young team with a lot of very raw talent. But on the other hand, in his second year at the helm I think it’s fair to expect some of last year’s lapses by our players on the court to have worked themselves out.

Disclaimer: I follow the league very closely, but I have never played organized basketball. I know very little about what plays most teams call outside of the pick and roll and stuff that’s made it into the common lexicon. That said, I often find myself asking if there’s a plan out their for our guys. The “play” usually seems to be to put the ball in Tyreke’s hand and hope for the best. I feel like the team might benefit from Westphal exerting himself a little bit more in the X’s and O’s department rather than just setting the kids loose to learn the hard way. (Again – this is what it looks like to me personally with a very limited knowledge of basketball playcalling.)

As for the positives you mention, I’m with you. But how much of that is Westphal and how much of that is Omri working his ass off over the summer? How much of that is the fact that Tyreke and Cousins are just exceptionally talented players? We knew that Omri was a hard worker and that ‘Reke and Boogie have oodles of raw talent. What I’d like to see more of is Westphal refining that talent.

I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve more time to see what he has, or that he isn’t the guy to possibly take this team deep into the playoffs. I just worry that this team may need more tangible guidance to eventually move to the next level.

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by Jaycee on Nov 4, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

I think

that is a very well reasoned and logical reply.

by MichaelMack on Nov 4, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw the same thing

i dont think wastphal is the coach that will take this team to the playoffs for one reason, to many substitutions. There isn’t a flow to the kings offense and thats the coaches responsibilty to have ensure that a game plan is followed. He is lucky to have the talent around him to sheild him from this fact. Evans has the ball in his hands too much and that hurts the team. I think he believes the hype around him, but he’s not skilled enough to be dominant at the guard position at this point in his short career. The first game was inspiring, the offense was fluid, the next three were comeback games. What was the difference, evans did’nt play. His style is good, but with the other teamates he seems selfish. Coach needs to be more demanding of him to have the offense flow with him in the lineup. All the good teams have a system and the players adapt to the system. Look at the Lakers and the triangle, Utahs offense. They haven’t changed offenses, they have their players fit into the system,thats whats lacking with wetphal.

by rbk84 on Nov 4, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

wow.

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by bench_blob on Nov 4, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, it's not like he has a bunch of proven veterans whose strengths and weaknesses are well known

It’s an interesting puzzle he’s trying to put together. I think we’d all like a much more consistent rotation than we’ve seen so far, but I think it will be a bigger issue if this is still the norm later in the season.

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

On PW, Ask me again in January

He’s got a lot more talent to play with now but even coaches have to figure out how/when/why to use it when a lot of that talent is young and erratic. Player development is also a calculation. Ask me in January, or at least December.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Said it way better than I did

Agreed, lttg.

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's a huge debate here currently

My impression is that his honeymoon period is over (at least for us, probably not with Kings management).

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Last year

I thought the board was waaaay to easy on him, he was a new coach to our team, not a new coach to the NBA. This year, I am surprised at the sharpness in comments after only five games.

by MichaelMack on Nov 4, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you ask this question after the season is over

So far his rotations have stablilized because players are maturing. All the example you proivided I believe come with the territory when you are talking about young players. I’m pretty sure he gets on players in practice and you can even see him teaching in games. That’s something you don’t see a lot of coaches do.

We don’t know the whole story about Donte. Either way, I think you ask this question after the season and see if the progress is respectable.

by tricky bastard on Nov 4, 2010 9:52 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't understand

Why we have line-ups that consist of Landry and Cousins, who are great on offense, and suspect on defense

and then replace them with Dalembert, and JT who are good on defense, but suspect on offense…

I’d imagine that a combination of Landry and JT, or Landry and Dalemebert, or COusins and JT, or COusins and Dalembert at times would make more sense

what do you guys think, or have i just been missing these combinations, or have they just not been effective

by The Guy on the Couch on Nov 4, 2010 9:56 AM PDT reply actions  

I think you're maybe asking too much from this team

Overall, they played pretty well last night. If they were making their free throws and the refs weren’t calling most of the game so tight, we might’ve given the champs all they could handle. It was not the prettiest game, but the guys never quit and I didn’t really see them have many stretches where you could be too upset with the offense or the defense, they were just getting beat and outclassed by a much better and much more experienced team.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 4, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

To answer you more directly

I think that we have enough talent on this team that any combination of players seems to have a good chance to score and to defend, and who gets the minutes on any particular night is probably going to come down more to who’s got the hot hand and who’s in foul trouble than by any pre-conceived combinations.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 4, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

As I said on the post game thread

LA got a little lucky from 3-point range. Subtract 2 of those makes (still a great 43%), make 78% of our FTs (18-23, something the team should demand of itself) and you have a two point game late. A bit better shot creation/selection from our 3 point shooters or Landry not seeming to take yet another step farther out to shoot late in the game – and anything might have happened.

I don’t know what all the talk about the LA bench is, they still seem thin to me. 2-4 of the Starters now . . . .that makes up for a lot. Pau Gasol Had to play every one of those 44 minutes last night and Kobe Had to play 36+. That’s progress.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great take on the minutes.

And, their bench will get better when Bynum returns and Odom returns to the bench.

As for lucky from 3-pt range, I guess it is a little lucky when Kobe hits 3 contested shots. But, coming into the game the Lakers were averging 10 three per game on 45% shooting. And, they ended up with 11 on 50% shooting. So, if they were lucky, then they have been lucky every game. As I said in my preview, I thought the only way the KIngs would win is if they got lucky and the L*kers started to miss there threes.

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by HighTops on Nov 4, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

You think that kind of 3 point shooting will last?

Well, so far. But they didn’t shoot the 45% (missing two would have been in that range) they shot 52%. A slight fall-off would’ve given us a chance as you said in your preview.

They’re a veteran team, used to playing with each other who mostly ‘get’ their roles. They have no pressure on them yet this early in the season and so far (except Bynum, which they’re used to) are healthy.
They’re the champs for a reason – Tough to beat.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I think it will last because a majority we're wide open

which is a result of their ball movement. I think it was Ben Hogan who was once asked about a lucky shot he had just made. His reply was yes it was lucky, and the more he practices the luckier he gets.

But, with all teams that rely on the long ball, it doesn’t matter how much they practice, some days the shot just doesn’t drop. And, that’s the kind of day I was hoping for. Because like you said it’s tough to beat a veteran team who knows how to play together.

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by HighTops on Nov 4, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

To follow up on minutes the LA starters had to play

In the prior game Kobe only had to play 25 minutes and Gasol 28 to cruise past Memphis.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

There was also the stretch where we missed 13 shots in a row

and went 6 minutes without scoring. If we had just played better offense there, didn’t let the Lakers get into quick transition scoring opportunities off our misses, it would’ve been closer, if not a lot closer.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 4, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those type of stretchs are going to happen when you main weapon is the jump shot.

That’s why I’m unhappy with Landry taking so many long 2’s. He and DeMarcus are our only post scorers, and Landry has gone from a post scorer who make jumpshot at Houston to a Jump shooter who occasionally scores in the post with Sac.

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by HighTops on Nov 4, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

The two's

have gotten more frequent – and longer.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Both our bigs need to spend less time on the perimeter and more time inside.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 4, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

This, to me, is a major point of concern

I understand that the paint can get crowded, but he is too good in the post to be relying on his jumpshot. I don’t know if it is an effort thing, or if our team is just extremely afraid of being blocked, but they let defenses push them outside without a ton of pushback. I would much rather have our guys get blocked down low than watch them brick soft jumpers. A contested 2 ft hook shot is both more exciting to watch and more effective than a snooze-inducing lightly contested long 2.

I just dont see any lottery team improving though jump shots. If we want to get better, the team can’t be afraid to fail down low. Thats one thing I love about Tyreke, he can get blocked, or miss a crap-load of layups, but he doesn’t let defenses alter his gameplan and skillset, he just keeps going in for more.

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by SactoRyan on Nov 4, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree about the big man rotations

I’d like to see better balance of offensive/defensive skills on the floor with the big men. As you say, among the 4 main bigs, there are 2 good offensive players and 2 good defensive players. Doesn’t it make sense to pair a good offensive player with a good defender as much as possible?

I’d like to see Landry and SD start, with Cousins and JT off the bench. I’m also very impressed with Jackson so far. If JT can’t get his offense going soon, I think Jackson should get more of his minutes. Then again, at the rate JT and Cousins foul, Jackson will probably get plenty of time anyhow.

by kingsfan32 on Nov 5, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe Sammy can be a very effective scorer if we get the ball in to him in the right spots.

And, he’s always been a good finisher on the pick & roll. Now, it’s up to our guards to put him in position to get the shots he can make.

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by HighTops on Nov 5, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

To completely change the subject..

David Thrope’s first rookie rankings came out today. Can someone post a fanshot so I can read what he said about Cousins? (Who came in #4 btw heind Blake, Wall, and Favors)

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by lodisacfan on Nov 4, 2010 10:09 AM PDT reply actions  

That sounds about right.

Favors is working extremely hard, while Cousins has perhaps taken these NBA guys for granted at first. I think this year is going to be a bit humbling for DMC, even if he puts up decent statistics. I’m not really expecting a huge year from DMC till either next year, or more likely, his third year.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 4, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

With Aykis on this one.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

dont they usually say

it takes longer for bigs to develop? even so, he’s doing fine by me considering his age and only one year of college

by tricky bastard on Nov 4, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Nov. 4: All season long I suspect we’ll be hearing about how good Cousins is going to be one day based on his upside. But with his size and prodigious game, the future is as much about today as it is down the road, simply because he can impact games now.

He’s such a natural scorer. On top of that, he’s not afraid to take big shots and he’s able to make very tough shots. As long as he’s plugged into his team’s game plan and connected to his coaches and teammates, he can’t help being successful. Thus far, it’s all smiles in Sacramento"

by tricky bastard on Nov 4, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly i think the starters should be Landry and Dalambert.. You get offensive, boards and passing without them running into each other in the low post, then with JT and Cousins off the bench would be our best starting lineups, with Jackson and Whiteside picking up the extra minutes. Here the lineups i would like to see

BENO > POOH/HEAD
REKE > FRANCISCO/WRIGHT
CASSPI > GREENE/JACKSON
LANDRY > JT/JACKSON
DALEMBERT > COUSINS/WHITESIDE

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by Widowwolf on Nov 4, 2010 10:13 AM PDT reply actions  

I like Cousins starting

We aren’t going to the playoffs this year. I would much rather give Cousins any and all opportunities to get better. We are building for the future, not the present.

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by lodisacfan on Nov 4, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with lodi

I think Cuz is the kind of player who makes adjustments throughout the game and tries to learn from his mistakes and from his opponents, so putting him up against the top bigs in the league every night can’t help but accelerate his development.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 4, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not even thinking about the guy's conditioning issues

I see no reason to feel the need to hurry him along just because he is the future. If that were the case, why not just get rid of Dalembert and Landry right now and play all 96 minutes up front with JT, Cousins, Whiteside, and Jackson? As long as the guy gets consistent minutes, I am okay.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 4, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Putting him up against the top bigs might get him more bench time

when he starts getting too many fouls. I must admit that I didn’t expect him to finish the game starting against Gasol. And, I was very impressed with his performance, but don’t forget that he only ended up with 20 mins and Dalembert finished with 28.

Cuz will see time against the best big men even if he comes off the bench. It will just be that he’ll be able to ease into the minutes in most games. Gasol had to play 44 minutes for the L*kers to win, and if Cousins came off the bench he would have played at least 7 minutes against Ratliff and 13 minutes against Gasol. More than enough minutes to further his development. Especially for the 1st week of his career.

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by HighTops on Nov 4, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

Cousins is big enough to talk shit in the media, but then he isn’t big enough to matchup with the best big’s in the L? Give me a break. Let the kid sink or swim.

If it was Favors who is not the player DMC is offensively, I could understand this argument. It takes awhile for players who are defensively geared to figure out the NBA on that end sometimes. Even then, I wouldn’t apply for that argument with Favors. Just know that throwing the ball down low may not end up getting you a basket. But shit, there are alot of big’s like that in the NBA.

In otherwords, DMC should matchup against Gasol. He needs to be competitive against the best talent, and that was a problem coming out of UK. (He didn’t always play well against better teams.) When he learns how to play his game against the best players, that’s when he is a star IMO.

Until then, trying to “soften” the curve DMC is facing is pointless. Make him face the toughest curve and let him adjust.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed
Make him face the toughest curve and let him adjust.

Cousins does not strike me as fragile or in need of coddling or special handling. Give him the Tyreke Evans experience, and let him go against the best. If that means early foul trouble and sitting out, so be it. Kid seems to be a fairly quick study – he’ll learn and adapt and be the better for it.

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by section214 on Nov 4, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why is it necessarily coddling or giving special handling to suggest he shouldn't necessarily start just because he is part of the future?

I just think that whether he starts and plays 28 minutes or comes off the bench and plays 20 he is going to develop probably about the same so why are we so concerned about him starting? If he outplays Dalembert awesome but I would prefer we pick the starter by what is good for the team. I hardly see it as coddly Cousins if he happens to be the first guy off the bench or not.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 4, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's a different issue

If you are saying that Dalembert is better and should be starting as a result, fine. But if the the thought process is that you don’t start him because he will pick up quick fouls against better players, I disagree.

Simply, if Cousins is your best center today, you start him. If Dalembert is your best center today, you start him until Cousins overtakes him.

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by section214 on Nov 4, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jinx.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

derp derp

my bad

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 4, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Cuz is not fragile and seems to learn quickly and learn best by going against the best. Put him against Ratliff and I don’t think he’s as focused.

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by Holmdel on Nov 4, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

This.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I should have entered my Daughter in the Indy 500.

She’s a good driver, and even tho she’s never raced with pros, she’s a quick learner.

Easing a rookie into the NBA if you have that option is not coddling. And, you don’t enter a golden gloves champion into a professional championship fight But, that’s my opinion, and you obviously have yours.

But, there is no question that Gasol is one of the best centers in the league. And, one of Cousins biggest problem has been getting into foul trouble. So, my intention wasn’t to protect Cuz. I simply felt that the Kings needed him to finish the game if they were to have a chance to win. And, the best way I can think of to keep him from fouling out was not to start him. It had nothing to do with his development or how Favors should be handled.

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by HighTops on Nov 4, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

If your daughter is one of the 33 top Indy car drivers in the world, she should be starting in the Indy 500. If she is not, she should not.

By your logic, Evans would not should not have been in the starting lineup at the beginning of last season, correct?

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by section214 on Nov 4, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we had another option, Maybe

Did starting all of last year make Tyreke a better player or improve his game or excellerate his development. I’m not sure, his game looks the same to me as it did at the start of last year.

But, it would depend on the quality of the player he’s competing against. In Cousins case he’s competing against a quality veteran. Who eventually got more minutes coming off the bench than Cousins did as a starter.

Why, I don’t know. It could be that Dalembert was playing better, or PW wanted to save Cousins. The point is, it made absolutely no difference by starting Cousins. He didn’t get starters minutes.

by the way, I wish you’d have ignored my attempt at levity, and addressed my example of the golden gloves champion instead.

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by HighTops on Nov 4, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK
But, it would depend on the quality of the player he’s competing against.

You are making my point for me. Cousins should start if he is better than the the next best option, and he should not be starting if there is a better option. It is as simple as that.

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by section214 on Nov 4, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh -

And as far as the golden gloves kid is concerned, he doesn’t get his shot until he climbs the ladder and proves himself. The same should hold true for Cousins. Until he proves himself to be the best center on the team, he should not start. But once he does, he should. As Dalembert was hurt most of the preseason, Cousins became the best center on the team and won the starting job by proving to be better at center than Thompson, Jackson or Whiteside. Now that Dalembert is healthy, is Cousins still the best center? Because if he is, he should start. If he is not, he should not.

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by section214 on Nov 4, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

And, my feeling is that Dalembert is healthy now,

and is the better center. And, therefore should have started anyways.

And, if you haven’t already read JJ’s news that Dalembert will be starting, there is this comment from DeMarcus

"I thought it was a great idea and I think it will really help the team. I won’t have to start the game off and I’m still learning. Coming in off the bench, I can see how aggressive the game is so I can know how aggressive to be and not be. I’ll get the feel of the game a lot better."

And, because he’s still learning the NBA game, is why I felt he needed to come off the bench.

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by HighTops on Nov 4, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

that if Dalembert is now healthy and the better player, he should start. Again, that has been my point all along. If DeMarcus is not the starter, it should have nothing to do with shielding him from the big, bad starters of the NBA, but because there is someone else on the team that can be more effective in the starting role. JT is not that guy. Darnell Jackson is not that guy. Hassan Whiteside is not that guy. But a healthy Samuel Dalembert may indeed be that guy.

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by section214 on Nov 4, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

My point all along was that DMC is prone to foul trouble

and because of that he wasn’t the best option as the starter. Never was Dalemberts health mentioned.

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by HighTops on Nov 4, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Got it

I disagree. He was the best option while Dalembert was out. Now that Dalembert is back, Dalembert is the better option. The fouls don’t enter into it for me.

Out.

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by section214 on Nov 4, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

With 214.

I see your reasoning as crazy making & micro-managing HT.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been called worst, and by you

I think Sections idea that the best player should start at every position, is too rigid. It doesn’t take into consideration, matchups, lineups or chemistry. Or, the needs of the 2nd unit.

Even PW is more flexible than that.

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by HighTops on Nov 4, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's too rigid

if you have enough talent. We don’t.

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by section214 on Nov 4, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah the philosophy kept Rick Adelman from winning more games.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 6, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been called worse too.

But I don’t mean it as a personal insult. My point is that micro-management is rarely effective.

Everything you state to the best player plays is secondary. Your 2nd unit is NEVER more important than your starters. Period.

Sometimes you have to play your best players in less than perfect matchup’s. You’re not going to win every matchup or matchup completely with every player; this is the NBA and not high school.

Anyways, I don’t think it’s about flexibility. I just don’t.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 6, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree about Tyreke not improving over the course of last season

His first 5 games were pretty rough. He was still getting to the hole whenever he wanted, but he wasn’t making good decisions when he got there and he was missing his layups. Maybe it had nothing to do with being the starter, but I would think that knowing he had the unwavering support and enthusiasm of the organization helped him maintain confidence and work through his early difficulties.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 4, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fine, but what specificly improved in his game from starting

did his ball handling improve? did his court vision improve? did his defense improve?

He’s going to get better and better as he grows and continues to work on his game. His outside shot didn’t improve last year because he started. It improved because he worked hard on it all summer.

If Tyreke a better player, of course. Would he be the same player if he got 25mpg off the bench vs. 35 mpg as a starter? I think he would. Proving it is something else.

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by HighTops on Nov 4, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was quite possibly a bottom-5 analogy in the history of the internet

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh please

it wasn’t good, but it wouldn’t crack top 10000 if you included political analogies

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by Viliphied on Nov 4, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point

I’ll need to narrow the criteria down to sports analogies. ;)

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you were basically saying that High Tops is Hitler.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 4, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn't going for Hitler, I was going for Henny Youngman

I wasn’t going for an analogy, just over exaggerated humor.

Now, the Golden Glove Champion was an analogy

Take my wife, Please

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by HighTops on Nov 4, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a fair point.

Play the best player.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes,

but your response was just as effective, and with far fewer calories.

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by section214 on Nov 4, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

We're living in Bizarro StR World.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd for historical moment

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 4, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

/peers into sky in search of locusts

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't live in Loomis Otis.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Favors

isn’t really a defensive stud you think he is.

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by caseycheesecake on Nov 4, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

The results to this point notwithstanding?

Kid has been excellent on both ends of the court so far.

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Nets fans keep talking about his lack of defense even though he has been getting the job done on the boards.

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by caseycheesecake on Nov 4, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

A 1st year big man who isn't fouling

isn’t trying to play any D.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well gee...

….some Kings fans think DeMarcus Cousins will contend for Rookie of the Year. That must make DMC a contender for ROTY.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are coaching player development issues here

and we may not understand the strategy. What if the strategy is to let DMC know he has the talent to start but then let him lose his starting job because of consistancy, defense etc… As a way to get him to work even harder?

I’m not saying that’s correct but

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by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm getting really confused

No player is deserving of minutes. And, minutes have to be earned, usually is the montra here. But, now it’s ok to give someone minutes and then take them away, and use the minutes like a carrot to get him to work harder?

I applaud PW for continuing to start Cousins, even tho all along he has said Dalembert would be the starter once he’s healthy. I’m sure it was great for DeMarcus’ confidence. But, PW is a play by his gut coach, and I don’t believe he gave Dalembert more minutes based on some stategy. I believe Westphal simply rides the horse who’s winning until he isn’t anymore. And, the team was making more headway with Dalembert in there.

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by HighTops on Nov 4, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was just speculating

but I think minutes are different than starter’s minutes for most guys and a strategy of appealling to someone’s pride to get them to focus on some aspects of their game you’ve been asking them to work on is not such a bad idea. In fact, it’s done all the time.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reke, Cuz and Casspi. Future concerns.

Development of players is a big wonder/issue with the Kings. Reke, Cuz and Casspi are supposed to be the future to build around and all three stink on the defensive end. Will any of them figure it out? I’m not sure, and it is worrying.

by amonk81 on Nov 4, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reke, Cuz and Casspi. Future concerns.

Development of players is a big wonder/issue with the Kings. Reke, Cuz and Casspi are supposed to be the future to build around and all three stink on the defensive end. Will any of them figure it out? I’m not sure, and it is worrying.

by amonk81 on Nov 4, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh. You said:

BENO > POOH/HEAD

Which is true. Most of the time. I can only add:
KOBE < POOH/HEAD

by Carl on Nov 4, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Change that < into a =

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by HighTops on Nov 4, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nah.

Kobe’s much worse than a poohhead.

by PurpleLoco on Nov 4, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah i knew that would get one laugh of ti at least. Reason I like starting Dalambert is the fact for early defense and to set a tone for the game defense wise, while we have plenty of offense on the floor. .Should cousin’s have some time against other starter C’s, yes, but maybe not all at once…

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by Widowwolf on Nov 4, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crazy picture TZ

Evans’ arm looks crazy long trying to swipe the ball.

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by kingsfan300 on Nov 4, 2010 10:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Luther Head looked horrifically bad offensively last night

But I have to say, he played some great defense on Kobe in the 4th quarter. This is really the first Kings game I’ve been able to watch from beginning to end this year and i was disappointed to see the Kings basically run no offense and settle with taking three point shots. I’m glad they realized that was not working and started taking the ball to the rim which did have some effectiveness. Please Cousins, stop chucking threes and stay in the low post.

by Josh L on Nov 4, 2010 10:25 AM PDT reply actions  

I liked when

Cousins got fouled by Kobe (I think in the 3rd, not sure tho,) and Cousins came up to Kobe, gave him a little smack on the thigh while Kobe was talking to Fisher and interrupted their flow, Kobe gave him a little jibber jabber and then had to smile and laugh a little at whatever Cousins responded with. Speaks to the fact that game recognized game. He made his presence felt to Kobe, and Kobe had to acknowledge and show a little respect. He would have ignored most other guys in that situation. Now, if Cousins just learns to keep his big ass in the post, we’ll have a much better shot the next time we play those yellow bastards…

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by Sacto_J on Nov 4, 2010 11:56 AM PDT reply actions  

GARCIA

I don’t understand why omri is starting over garcia, who can’t seem to do anything so far this year but score and be badass. Just sayin.

by doriank on Nov 4, 2010 12:04 PM PDT reply actions  

We aren't meant to understand everything.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does it matter as long as they are both getting substantial minutes?

Ultimately, no matter how well Garcia plays, he’s still nearing his 30th birthday and has had a few injury plagued seasons along the way. Gotta put Casspi out there against the best players and see what he’s got.

And yes, I agree that Cisco is badass.

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love Cisco's game

and he could not be more versatile. I dont care how or where he gets his minutes, I just think we need him out there 25 minutes every night.

by MichaelMack on Nov 4, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'll tell you what's understandable

the kick out to zorro on the perimeter. splash. repeat. now that he’s healthy and feelin it and especially when we’re up against good teams like the l*kers. i like omri’s energy and eagerness off the bench.

by doriank on Nov 4, 2010 12:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm a little afraid for Greene

He hasn’t played, is PW sending a message saying that he needs to be more consistant?

by shadowchicken on Nov 4, 2010 3:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Very good question

We should all discuss this in more detail.

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hear

that Westphal hates the whole “é” thing – thinks that it’s panzy. “He better lose five more pounds and that damned apostrophe thingy over his name,” the coach was heard to mutter. “I’ve got his Doratio Kane, hanging right here.”

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by section214 on Nov 4, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

/Donté popcorns Westphal's car

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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

wouldn't it be panzé?

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by SactoRyan on Nov 4, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Touché

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by section214 on Nov 4, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Donte isn't going to get any burn,

can we at least have him doing Doratio Kane videos?

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by Juan Primo on Nov 4, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

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