Kings 91, Grizzlies 100: This Getting Behind by 16+ Thing is Getting Old
by Aykis16 on Nov 7, 2010 5:53 AM PDT
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Print(Quick Note before the Recap. The GB&U will be up on Monday to allow for proper discussion of last nights game.)
The Grizzlies were playing their 4th game in 5 nights, coming off of a double overtime game against Phoenix the night before, but other than Zach Randolph, didn't look tired at all. The Kings meanwhile, hadn't played since Wednesday, and it looked like it, with the team's offense looking out of sync, and a whole lot of miscommunication going on. For the season the Kings had been doing a great job at taking care of the ball, but not tonight, where they had 20, and most of them unforced.
The game became very physical as it progressed, but unfortunately for the Kings, the refs were simply not having any of it tonight, and it cost them quite a few fouls. The Kings didn't get to as slow of a start as they have in games past, but they had a huge stretch in the third quarter where they completely lost control of the game, and at that point it became another game in which the Kings would have to try to come back, and for the 2nd game in a row, unsuccessfully.
The defense did look better with Dalembert in the game to start, and he clearly made a difference that end, but unfortunately he can't guard everyone and the lack of defense elsewhere really hurt the Kings, especially on Rudy Gay. The Kings had their best night guarding the three point line tonight statistically against Memphis, but that doesn't tell the whole story. While Memphis only hit 3-15, they probably had 13 of those as wide open shots that they just missed.
Every time the Kings would make a little surge in the game, a careless mistake, an offensive foul, or Rudy Gay/Z-Bo/Conley/Mayo would step up and stop the run. The Kings were never really able to stretch out a really good stretch of the game, and Memphis never truly got into danger once they jumped out to their big lead early in the 2nd half. These kind of stretches of bad basketball have to stop. The Kings have yet to put together an entire games worth of good basketball, and its becoming infuriating. Yes, we're still 3-3, but this team has a lot of growing up to do if they want to see the better side of .500 past November.
Player Recaps and Kingsflix video after the jump.
Tyreke Evans: Tyreke played the best game of the season for him, but just didn't have the help around him that he needed. Early in the game, I knew High Tops was smiling, because Tyreke was penetrating, and instead of kicking out, getting the ball to his big men at the rim for easy shots/dunks. Later in the game, he started brandishing his new jumper, which looked especially smooth tonight, so much so that I was wondering why he didn't shoot more during that period where the Kings desperately needed points. Tyreke still doesn't really know how to play defense well, but he was active poking balls lose and had four steals. He needs to watch his dribble though, defenses are learning to focus on it, and its been giving him problems the last few games. Five turnovers for Reke.
DeMarcus Cousins: DeMarcus had his first bad game tonight, trying to force a little too much at times on offense, and being a bit careless with the ball (4 turnovers). He had a couple nice defensive moments (a great block on Darell Arthur) but he still has a lot of work to do on that end. There were a couple really bad calls on DeMarcus, including one time where he tried to draw a charge but was instead called for the blocking foul, and he looked down on himself for most of the game. I'm hoping for a bounce back game against Minnesota next Wednesday from Big Cuz.
Beno Udrih: Beno didn't play that bad I thought, he was just missing shots that he normally makes. Conley was a tough matchup for him on the other end.
Samuel Dalembert: Sammy showed some good stuff (5 blocks, 12 rebounds) and some bad stuff (5 fouls, 5 turnovers) as well. I think he did a great job defending Gasol, and Randolph when he guarded him. We also saw some of the stuff that infuriated Philly fans, a silly goaltend, an offensive foul or two that shouldn't have been, and some weird decision making with the ball (although he had a couple nifty passes too, and ended up with 3 assists). Still, I think the good outweighed the bad in Sammy's case, and those blocks were extremely satisfying.
Carl Landry: He does not look like himself right now. At all. He had a lot of trouble guarding (or more accurately, trying to guard) Z-Bo, and he couldn't get anything going on offense. He seems perfectly content to shoot long jumpers now instead of mixing it up inside, and its a habit that I've come to detest. This is a night we might have and probably would have won if Carl had played like his Top Hatter self, but he just didn't.
Jason Thompson: First, I liked how JT played tonight. Aggressive going to the basket, made good decisions, and gave us a few more scoring opportunities. But here's where I have to say that this Jason Thompson at the Small Forward spot business needs to end and soon. I just don't like it. Thompson wasn't effective at guarding the ultra quick Gay, and he's not consistent or potent enough of a low post threat that his size and strength creates a sufficient enough mismatch on that end. I would have liked to see Donté being given the shot at Gay, especially when he had killed us all night. Instead we got JT, who to be fair, tried. But this guy is not a Small Forward, and not in the NaSF sense.
Francisco Garcia: Cisco has really stepped it up this year and his shooting looks really good. He also is probably one of our better perimeter defenders at the moment, and I want to see him and Tyreke paired in the back court more often. We did see a couple vintage Cisco bonehead plays tonight too, so it was an all-around Flaco-y performance.
Omri Casspi: Omri didn't look bad, especially not when he was shooting from behind half-court. But his three wasn't falling from normal human range, and Rudy Gay was abusing him more than most, so I wasn't surprised to see he didn't get as much time as others.
Darnell Jackson: He was only 1-5, but played some solid D, and had 7 boards too. By the way, its Darnell's birthday today. He's turning 25.
Final Notes: I wasn't pleased with this game from the team, and I still haven't been able to watch a game so far this season without getting extremely frustrated for extended periods of time. For once, it would be nice to see the Kings be in control for most of the game and they'll need to learn how to do that now while the schedule is relatively easy, so they don't end up getting shellacked every night when the competition is on another level.
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Team officials later called Arthur’s injury a mild sprain.
Arthur returned to the bench without assistance and was available to play in the fourth quarter. He was held out as a precautionary measure.
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Thanks.
I’m glad it was mild; even if he’s on the opposing team, you never want to see someone get hurt.
Here's my major concern
I want to know what’s happening with Donté. He seems like he would have been the perfect player to insert to shut down Gay. If he’s out of shape, let us know he’s out of shape. If he’s pissed off Westphal somehow, it has gotten ridiculous.
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by Exhibit G on Nov 7, 2010 7:48 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Westphal actually said in a pregame radio interview that he might try Donte on Gay.
Obviously it didn’t happen, but he did verbally acknowledge considering it, and that’s a step forward, at least.
Of course he also said postgame, that he liked how Omri and JT defended Gay
so, you always have to take what PW says with a grain of salt.
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Perfect game for Donte to have played.
I think PW should have used Donte in this game. How can a player go from a starter in one game to not even playing overnight? If coaches could be benched like players I think PW would have been benched and an assistent taken over for a few games. I just don’t think PW is using his players the right way and it’s starting to show in the loss column.
by AyyJude on Nov 7, 2010 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't this what we have Donte for
He’s our best wing defender. He’s long enough to affect Gay’s jumper and fast enough to keep with him, so why doesn’t he play? There has to be something going on with him and Westphal in the locker room, which is surprising to me. I just hope this doesn’t become another Hawes scenario.
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Any chance
Donte isn’t being played due to some trade-related reasons? Keeping him on the bench to showcase some trade assets perhaps? Otherwise I have no idea why Donte hasn’t been getting more burn.
yeah, I'm about fed up with this BS
Either come out and tell us the REAL reason Donte isn’t playing or fucking play him. This is the second or third game where an athletic wing player has torched us ALL GAME LONG. I’m not saying Donte is the greatest player in the world, but he is the best option on our team to come in and at least make them work for it. Donte should have been playing D on Gay after it was obviously apparent in the first quarter that we had nobody that could guard him. I just don’t get it, something else must be going on we don’t know about because if there isn’t and PW honestly thinks our best defensive match ups against Gay are JT and Cisco we’ve got some major coaching problems…
Im seriously getting
Frustrated with Carl Landry this year. He needs to get more aggressive and drive to the hoop! Also, I am done with JT. He literally dribbles like a high school freshman when he gets the ball. Overanxious and with no direction as to what he plans on doing. Maybe Im spoiled expecting him to have hands more like C-Web than a bag of concrete.
Between these two, we are really lacking in the power forward spot. I hope one of them steps up soon!
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I don't get the JT hate
He played fewer minutes than everybody else that played, scored more than 3 of them (Landry, Cousins, Jackson), tied in points with Beno, and shot 75% on his few attempts. Most of which were at the rim and high percentages shots. Exactly the kind of thing we all have wanted to see him do.
I think that he is showing much better patience and poise. I like what I see. He has come off the bench and played well in my book. He is not a SF at all and I just don’t get that at all, but that isn’t JT’s fault. Coach is playing his typical weird lineups.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I agree completely.
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I think it is time to see JT start
It seems like we have had several games in a row where Landry had match up problems, and he has averaged 4 rebounds a game after his first game at 11. Landry looks so out of sorts right now, I would rather him come off the bench with a scorer’s mentality, and perhaps he could be the Top Hat the last two seasons. Plus, I like how active and physical we are inside with Sammy and JT. The minutes could be distributed however is neccessary throughout the game, but I think Landry should move to our sixth man role right now.
Landry's problem is that we've turned him into a one on one player 18ft from the rim
In 2010 while still in Houston, Carl averaged 5.5 attempts at the rim and 1.8 attempts from long 2 range. This season Carl is averaging 6.2 attempts from long 2’s and 3 attempts at the rim. And, Carl’s FG% at the rim had dropped from a career average of 70% to 53%. Carl isn’t a SF and shouldn’t have to create his own shot from 18ft away like a SF. This isn’t Carl’s doing, his is how the Kings and PW are using him. They have Beno bring up the ball, feed it into Carl at the FT line extended or Beno feeds it into the corner and the wing feeds it along the baseline to Carl. That is the offensive scheme that PW has designed to get Carl the ball.
As far as JT is concerned, he’s not the outside shooter that Carl is. JT is only shooting 20% on his mid range jumpers and 30% on his long 2’s. And, he still gets most of his offense in the paint off offensive rebounds. And, doesn’t score as well as Carl does in the paint. He’s never been better than 62% at the rim and 45% inside 10ft.
The answer isn’t to change the player, which seems to be PW’s way of thinking. The answer is to get the ball to the player where he can be most effective.
From a rebounding standpoint JT will do better than Carl, but the difference in their career averages adjusted for minutes played, doesn’t justify the lose of Carl’s offense or defense. JT’s going to cost us more points in FT’s caused by his fouls, then he’ll ever make up for the points off his additional rebounds.
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Now let me get this straight
Given both players statistics this year, you think that JT’s extra foul (per 30 min, he would average 1.2 more fouls than Landry), would cost us more points than the five extra rebounds he would get for our team. You also think that Carl is a better defensive player than JT? When has that been demonstrated? I enjoy your posts HT, but that last paragraph seems borderline ridiculous.
And to reiterate
My initial posting said that I think JT should start, not play the majority of the minutes. I think his defense, size, and rebounding are more important to start the game, and Landry’s particular skill of being a skilled scorer fits better coming off the bench. Match-ups and how well they are playing can determine the minutes, but we are being out-rebounded this year.
I think you'll find more than a few people think Landry is a better match with Dalembert
But, I’m not sure myself, because of how PW wants the SF to play. I can see the benefit of having two big bodies that can rebound but lack true offensive skills start at the 4 & 5. But, then the offense has to come from the other 3 starters. And, as far as I know, PW has made it very clear that the SF is a complimentary scorer not a primary one. Which puts all of our offensive responsibility on the backcourt. Which is going to make it very simple for teams to defend us.
If on the other hand we had an offensive weapon at the 3, like Gay, then JT and Dalembert might be the perfect pair in the starting lineup.
The big problem with playing Dalembert and JT together is that they both rely on offensive putbacks for a major portion of their offense. And, there just aren’t enough offensive rebounds for them to play together. At least I hope our offense stays efficient enough to make that true.
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You can't use JT's numbers this year, because he hasn't started
Career wise, and adjusted for 30mpg, JT out rebounds Landry 8.0 to 6.5. and as you said JT fouls 1.2 per game more than Carl. Assuming the Kings get a shot attempt or prevent one (no turnover/end of quarter) and assuming the Kings shot at the League average of 49+% the rebounds are worth 1.5pts per game. Assuming that all JT fouls lead to FT’s and the teams shot at the league average of 76%, the fouls are worth 1.8pts per game. Certainly not scientific, but close enough to make my point, that JT’s rebounds don’t come close to making up for Carls’ career scoring average advantage over JT.
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The interesting thing is that PW said he wants to use JT more at the 3 spot.
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He was +7 on the night playing almost exclusively at the three
I don’t know. I still don’t like it.
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Fair enough.
But if PW does than get ready for some interesting conversations.
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Neither one of them should be plaing the 3
We have Omri and Donte for that, someone should tell PW that!!
No clue Mike.
Haven’t seen any of the games where JT played the 3.
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Yes, he might have been inserted into the 3 spot
but he didn’t defend the 3 or score from the 3. In his first stint the Kings went to the zone which opened up the 3pt shot for Memphis, but JT didn’t have to play man to man on Gay. He did play him man to man in the 2nd half but it wasn’t pretty. He couldn’t body up on Gay, so Gay wasn’t challenged when putting up jumpers and was able to drive right past JT most times.
Offensively, JT playing the 3 takes away one of our 3pt shooters, and that’s a serious negetive. JT was 2-3 from inside 10ft, mostly off of his 3 offensive rebounds which isn’t bad for a center. But, when your SF only attempts 1 shot away from the basket in 16 minutes it allowed the defense to sag off and double elsewhere.
And, Gay who played 46 minutes got a good rest when JT was on the floor for those 16 mins. We needed someone like Garcia, who will run around and make Gay fight thru screens.
In spite of what PW said, Memphis was tired, and it showed in their 3pt shooting which was at a season low even though they we getting wide open uncontested shots.
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That seems so bizarre when they have Donte'
I just don’t get what is going on. Donte’ is better able to defend 3s. I mean WTF.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
At the three?
How about more at the four? I thought there was too much reliance on Carl and he was getting worn down. I think giving some of Carl’s minutes to JT would be good and also Donte needs to get some floor time. Let Wright warm the bench
Actually put Wright in street clothes
Let Whiteside suit up
That is what they did on Saturday actually.
I know we're gonna lose but I still think we're gonna win.
I like the way JT has played the last few games too.
but he’s not a 3. Two of his 3 shots came off of his 3 offensive rebounds which allowed him to shoot 1-1 at the rim and 1-2 inside 10ft. This isn’t much different than his game from last year which was pretty good.
Now, if he were asked to defend Randolph in the low blocks or to drive to the rim from 18ft like we’re expecting Landry to do, then I think JT’s weakness’ would become more apparent. Right now, offensively we can expect scoring on the offensive glass, and 40% jumpshooting on mid and long range shots from JT. About the same as we’re getting from Jackson. So, if JT is going to offer us more, he needs to learn how to put the ball on the floor drive to the rim, and finish because that’s what good PF’s do.
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JT seems more solid
I see improvement over last year. Though the first part of last year was great. He did dribble once and take it to the rim last year and it was through multiple defenders. He could not do that last year. I have seen him play decent one on one defense in the post this year against other PFs and Cs.
He is improving in the areas he needs. Being able to finish, not takings so long to do so that he gets doubled down low, and defending without fouling. It may not be a huge improvement, but it is there..
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
hmm.... ok that isn't right
Though the first part of last year was great. He did dribble once and take it to the rim last year night and it was through multiple defenders.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
So the Kings aren't a playoff team.
That step will take awhile for them to learn.
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It's about damn time!
How dare you make me go to kingsflix myself and see those vid’s? HOW DARE YOU!
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TZ you know me too well,
after the first dish by Tyreke for a dunk, I was screeming YES, YES with an enthusiasm the MRS. hadn’t heard since our honeymoon.
And like you, I was not pleased with the JT at the 3 experiment. But, I wasn’t surprised by PW’s comments during the press conference, about how pleased he was with it. And, his failure to answer the question about putting Donte into the game, was expected. With Garcia shooting 3-9 and Omri 1-5 from three, we either need to stop shooting threes and go to high percentage shots in the paint, or find another 3pt shooter. But, we did neither, and when you are impotent on more than 1/3 of your possessions, your not going to win. (20 turnovers + 15 missed 3’s in 95 possessions)
On the bright side, I believe that Dalembert is starting to rub off on DeMarcus. Cousins’ man defense is looking better and he’s had some nice blocks the last 2 games. And, with Tyreke starting to show his entire repertoire of short, mid and long range jumpers, the future (maybe not this season) looks good for our 2 up and coming all-stars.
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The fact that you confused me with TZ
is a big compliment HT.
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Aren't you the same guy?
Sorry Aykis, I didn’t even look at the by line. And, I’m so use to TZ writing the game follow up. But, it’s really good to see that you have adopted his writing style. ;)
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...and an effing mystery.
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by section214 on Nov 7, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
This game really pissed me off
I want to know why we looked like the tired team out there.
Landry was invisible on both ends. He clearly didn’t know who he was playing, Zbo is not a renounded defender and Landry and Cousins refused to go at him. I blame the coaching for not insisting on it. The one time in the first half Landry did go at him he drew a foul and sent ZBO to the bench, but Landry didn’t look to score at-all really after that. He took two shots in the 1st half if you count the time he was fouled and only 5 for the game, never returning to the FT line. W-T-F? If Landry is the 2nd option out there after Tyreke than the coaching and player need to act like it.
When that bad night(?) happens, maybe we should have some offense out there (Casspi) even if you think the D isn’t working on Gay. By the way, is there some evidence that Gay scored more frequently on Casspi than anyone else? From my naked eye that didn’t appear to be the case, Casspi was making him work pretty hard, running him around – and in the end I think it might have paid off.
Cousins was pretty terrible. He didn’t play that many minutes, but later in the game, when the crowd was trying to fire the team up coming out of a time-out, he hunched over with hands on knees. It was terrible body language and I don’t know how he could/should have been tired or wanted to act like he was.
Missing shots or not, Beno needs to look for his shot more when we need points. Yes, he was 2-10 but my recollection is that many of those misses were in desperation time rather than looking for his shot in the flow of the game.
If the team had played with anything close to the focus and effort of the LA game they would have won this game. No doubt in my mind. That’s discouraging after a few days off to game plan.
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Lastly, and I hate doing it
The refs were terrible and seemed to go out of their way to make calls against the Kings whenever we got a little momentum going. What, 4-5 offensive fouls that took away baskets? Only two seemed legit to me and it didn’t seem to get called the same way on the other end. I’d have to go back and watch on tape but it appeared live and on the scoreboard replay that Casspi got a clean block on Gay. That’s 10 points, not to mention momentum.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Nov 7, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
It wasn't just you.
It looked highly lopsided in the foul calls in that game. In fact I believe Memphis was in the penalty by the 5 minute mark in the first quarter and only 1 foul was called total against Memphis in that quarter. It was highly annoying and made me think those refs had followed Memphis on their 4 games in 5 nights.
I know we're gonna lose but I still think we're gonna win.
The only thing we can learn from International basketball is
Team Defense. We don’t need Artest, Howard, Battier or a 30year old Bowen to play defense. We only need to guard well as a team with good help-defense, good pick n roll covers, good communication in general. These things can only be provided by a good coach and unfortunately it’s a rare species in the NBA (hence the endless isolations and lack of unity). As the unnamed Faker player said in a preseason game versus Barcelona, there are only 4-5 teams in the NBA playing as a unit (I’d say Celtics, Lakers, Spurs, ’10-Bucks) the rest are solely dependent on individual skill.
by ZenBaller on Nov 7, 2010 10:43 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
The other only things we can learn from international basketball
are ball movement and spacing.
But yes, I completely agree with you on team defense. There was a discussion in the game thread about whether PW fails in implementing a system or not having the proper players to implement it. I think like you that the onus is on PW. Good team play and movement without the ball is much less dependent on the quality of players than on the ability of the coaching staff to implement it. And the stuff PW is running now is less intricate from what my highschool team ran.
Dunking Dutchman
Agreed
Team defense is the key. PW seems to focus on good individual defense and doesn’t seem to value team defense or be all that adept at teaching it. His jerking players in and out based on match ups is just stupid. He should, instead, have other players give help defense.
It took Lopez scoring 25 points the other night before they went to help defense and that is damned inexcusable. It is just ridiculous to let that go on for so long. They tend to wait until half way through the game to go to that with any players scoring against them and it needs to be the #1 priority and not the last resort.
You jerk players in and out and focus all of your attention on individual defense and you actually make it difficult for the team to gel enough to play team defense. At this point I would have to give PW a failing grade defensively.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
On Beno or coaching, whatever
Was there even one play where Beno used a little pick, found that open spot for a Beno stop and pop? I don’t remember one.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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This loss angered me
I think for the money he is being paid PW is a good coach but he is not one of the better coaches in the league I’m sorry. Some things he does well. I feel he has a good relationship with most of the player but that doesn’t always win you games. His rotations & defensive strategies are terrible imo
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Nov 7, 2010 11:07 AM PST via mobile reply actions
touche'
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Nov 7, 2010 1:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Pistons looking to trade Prince....
I would LOVE Prince. Defensive minded player with a legit offensive game. Is it worth it?
why would you not play Donte because you might trade him later?
If anything wouldn’t you be showcasing him?
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
by sac_faithful on Nov 7, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Deal may be in the works and you don't want him hurt.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Probably not
Prince makes over $11 million this year. The Pistons can send no more than $3 million in cash, so the Kings would be spending $8 million for a guy that still won’t turn this squad into a playoff team. The Pistons are already at almost $48 million next year in payroll, and that’s without matching offers for Stuckey and Jerebko, so I doubt that the Pistons would want to take back contract such as Udrih or Garcia in return. So the question is, would the Pistons deal a non-protected 1st round pick to go along with Prince, and the answer is likely no. The next question is would the Kings in essence pay $8 million for a lottery pick, and the answer is likely no.
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I would deal Prince for Donte & JT in a heartbeat.
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All this Donte stuff has be so bored.
If he produces in practice he will play…this soap opera has no legs
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Agreed
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Nov 7, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
I was frustrated with the game as well
but not necessarily with the effort but more with the execution. I don’t think the Kings came out with bad energy or didn’t take advantage of Memphis’ tired legs, I just think the Grizzzlies played a better game than the Kings. I know it’s just 6 games into the season but, like Aykis, I just don’t see why the team doesn’t seem to be able to play more than just small stretches of basketball. I hope they improve, and with such a young team and young season, I see no reason to believe it won’t. That being said, there’s still some work to do.
Like many, I’m also not excited with the JT at the 3 experiment. I’ve stayed away from the Donte discussion because I didn’t think it was preventing the Kings from winning but last night (at least for one game) I thought he should’ve gotten some minutes. You would think Rudy Gay is the type of player you’d give Donte a chance to guard but he got another DNP-CD. I’m not a coach and maybe PW does have his reasons, but as a fan that want to see his team win, I don’t agree with not using Donte at least for a couple minutes and throw something new out there.
Another thing about the 3-big-men lineup is that the offense seems out of sinc. None of DMC, JT, Darnell, Dally, or Landry can handle the ball in smaller spaces so when they receive the ball, the movement stops as they have to wait for a guard to come back and get it. It really messes with any flow the offense might have. On defense it forces mismatches that favor the other team (JT on Gay?!) and even forces us to switch from man-to-man to zone which further confuses an already not-even-average defensive team. Yeah, I’m not a fan of that strategy.
You probably noticed but Rudy Gay is ballin’, and you could even say the same for Conley. The Grizz have built themselves a pretty nice team that I think is fairly similar to our Kings. I think we’re lacking a more established SF (hopefully Omri can get there) and a Mayo type defender, ball handler, and shooter. I was very impressed in how he handled Tyreke last night and still hope there’s a way to land him.
Like I said on twitter right after that game, these are the type of games we need to win if we wanna be taken seriously but unfortunately we’re not there yet. As I was leaving Arco I couldn’t remember when it was the last time I felt this disappointed about our team. I just hope it gets better with more games.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
by edm7 on Nov 7, 2010 12:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think we have a good enough Mayo in Evans, where we're hurting is in not having a Conley
although Beno is close offensively, he’s nowhere near as good defensively and as a ball handler. Tyreke is as talented as Gay ,so like you said we need is a SF, as talented as Mayo to balance the starting line up offensively. And, a better defender/ballhandler at the PG to improve defensivly. Other than that I think your spot on.
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I stil think we could have a Mayo working with Tyreke in the backcourt
Though we would need Tyreke to take over the playmaking even more (which I think he’s been getting better at).
The point about Gay is more about needing someone that can create his own shot off the dribble. The Grizz just give the ball to Gay and he creates for himself. Yes, he may dribble a bit too much but, at least yesterday, the jumpshots end up going trough the hop. Yes, Tyreke can get to the basket at will, but no one on our team can create their own shot from the perimeter.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Look what you said
this
he creates for himself. Yes, he may dribble a bit too much but, at least yesterday, the jumpshots end up going trough the hop.
Now I know you were talking about Mayo, but doesn’t that discribe Tyreke’s game yesterday too. As far as Tyreke getting better at playmaking, I’ve said already that yesterday was the best I’ve ever seen him at getting the ball to the bigs down low for easy baskets. So, improvement will happen. But, as long as our SG & SF are not offensive threats, teams will switch their best defender onto Tyreke, and we lose our only real advantage in playing him at the PG. Because defensively, he can’t stay in front of quicker PG’s and he isn’t able to chase them off the ball when they’re running him off screens.
With a Conley type PG, the other teams might still play their best defender on Tyreke but at least defensively he’ll be able to stay in front of his man. And, it might allow him to conserve some energy to use on the offensive end. And, with a little better offense at the SF spot, we might even punish some teams that decide to cover Tyreke with their SF.
So, from a offensive & defensive standpoint, I think we’re better off playing Evans at the SG unless we have a SG that can defend the quicker PG’s. That’s also assuming that we have a better playmaking PG then Beno. Right now, we dont have either of those, so we need to continue to do what we’re doing.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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by HighTops on Nov 7, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Mo Williams would be nice
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Nov 7, 2010 2:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No thanks
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 7, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
Why not?
His offensive game is similar to Beno’s only better & he is a far better defender.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Nov 8, 2010 12:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I mean CP3 isn't coming here
This is the type of mid-tier veteran we might actually have a shot at aquiring.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Nov 8, 2010 12:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You're last sentence speaks volumes to how I felt leaving the game last night
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
Or, moreso, the last two sentences
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
I know a lot of people probably feel the same way
but just to clarify, I’m was not dissapointed so much with how the team played or just the fact that we lost. Hopefully this makes sense but I was dissapointed more because we couldn’t win this type of game yet. It had more to do with how excited I’ve been and how I thought we were ready to take one more step in the right direction. It doesn’t mean we won’t move up in the next couple days (or weeks, or months), but it also means that we’re not there yet.
I maybe got a little bit ahead of myself. In no way I’m dissapointed with the direction of the team; it was just one game that I hope we would’ve gotten and I thought we were going to.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
No that makes sense
I thought this game was ours for the taking, but it just didn’t happen. I think that’s what bummed me out, but I’m ready to move on to the next game.
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
Gay/Z-Bo?
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
by JediLeroy on Nov 7, 2010 4:14 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I'm glad PW is coaching and not STR
because I get the impression that line-ups would change like crazy, and likeable players would get more minutes than they deserve.
Wasn’t it yesterday that we were freaking out that PW wouldn’t stick to a consistent lineup and consistent roles, and now we’re freaking out that he won’t extend his rotation to an eleventh player (Donte) and won’t play JT more at the 4?
Donte isn’t as athletic as everyone thinks, and while he may be longer than Casspi, it is sometimes better to play your best players, get them experience, be consistent with your lineups, give them a chance to gel, and not tinker every time a matchup may be less than ideal.
Is PW really committing malpractice by giving Casspi and Landry more than a week to prove their worth as starters on this team?
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
I really enjoy Donte
But in my opinion, he is a less capable player than Sammy, Landry, Cousins, JT, Casspi, and Garcia. There are only so many minutes to go around, so if he is the one left on the bench, so be it.
Actually, I've read most of the posts supporting Donte, and I don't remember any wanting to extend the rotation to the 11th player
Some don’t believe he’s the 11th player, and most don’t even suggest the he should be moved into the 9 man rotation. What they do suggest is, that if you pull your starter (Omri) 3 minutes into the quarter and replace him with a Center/PF and neither isn’t capable of doing the job, then you are simply being stubborn by not giving your 11th player a chance at it.
The 11th man is a professional athelete isn’t he? As one of only 450 people in the entire planet to be employed as a basketball player in the NBA, is he not capable of even attempting to try? Why do we bother to even have 12 active players if they are incapable of playing even 3 mins. And, especially one that played 22 mpg for you the prior year.
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