Crowned Hoops: JT Keeps Moving Forward
Having his minutes cut in half and playing small forward isn't JT's ideal situation, but he's keeping a positive outlook.
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So JT is going to shoot the 3...
I could get behind JT at the 3 if he could actually hit the three because he could shoot over other SFs. But he can’t.
And JT is not Beasely. If PW wanted him to be they could have had him, he was available for virtually nothing.
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
...If your definition of nothing is
$6.3 million in salary this year, a pair of 2nd round draft picks and cash.
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I wish that nothing equaled my nothing....
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
everyone in the nba has a contract, and his is expiring
two 2nd rounders for beasely is a steal. Even if you think he is crazy there still isn’t his talent level in the 2nd round.
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
I sure don't see how Beasley is worth $4.5 million more than Thompson,
much less the draft picks and the cash. I guess these decisions are a lot easier when it’s not your money.
You’re certainly your opinion about Beasley. For me, to spend that kind of money, give up draft picks, and take on a potential head case for a team that’s not going to make the playoffs anyway…well, you and David Kahn may be right, but I’m sure not seeing it.
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Its a difference between the 3 and 4
JT and Beasely are about the same at the 4; JT rebounds better, Beasely scores. At the 3 its a different story. The article brought up the comparison. I think its a stupid comparison that’s why I said as much. Its apples and oranges.
Kahn has made the Wolves as bad as they are. But if your team is as terrible as Minny 2nd round talent isn’t going to turn your franchise around. You take a chance on the head case because talent is talent, and young talent can mature.
And I am respectfully stating the salary difference in 2011: $4,962,240 compared to $2,178,000 is a difference of
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
wife messing with the math.....$2784240
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
Yeah - my bad
I was looking at next year’s salaries. That said, you’re still paying Beasley $6.2 million more than JT over the next two years. No thanks.
I think this is simply a matter of you thinking a lot more of Beasley’s game, head and heart than I do.
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I don't see where I compared JT to Beasley.
The next player Thompson will have to defend will be a familiar face to him. Fellow 2008 NBA Draft classmate Michael Beasley, who played power forward for two seasons with the Miami Heat, entered his third season with the Minnesota Timberwolves and is finding some success as a small forward.
All I said was that JT guarded Beasley as a PF the past 2 seasons and that Beasley made the switch to SF this season. Since JT will play at SF as well they will guard each other the next game.
No comparison of skill or anything. Just said they’re playing against each other.
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I infered the comparison based on the composition of the material
Literarily it is implied that such a match up, due to past competition, is a fair barometer of his performance in a new position on the court. Thus, if Beasely can do it, JT should be able to as well or else admit his inferiority.
But, it is my fault for critically reading a sports article (not being flippant here, or cutting) that is merely trying to state the obvious.
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
I can't get over how hung up people in here are about position.
“Oh noes! JT can’t hit the three HE’S PLAYING OUT OF POSITIONANDPAULWESTPHALISANIDIOT!!!!!!!!!!”
You’re right, JT can’t shoot the three ball. I imagine if you asked most casual fans, they probably think your point guard ought to be able to shoot threes, too. And they’re right, because the rookie of the year last year in the NBA plays point guard and couldn’t hit the three.
So, super-awesome logic, super-fan.
It’s as though you simply cannot see how having Dalembert, Cousins and JT in at once creates a titanic mismatch for a defense. Good luck getting rebounds. Yes, I admit that JT can’t shoot threes, but if Beno and Evans or Garcia are playing guard, does that make you feel any better, or must you have at least three guys on the court at all times who can go long? Man, that Spencer Hawes was pretty good from three, we ought to get him back.
Stop thinking about position. Start thinking about players and mismatches. Stop being analog in a digital world.
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by andy sims on Nov 8, 2010 8:24 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
My comment was based on him saying he was going to shoot the 3 if open
He can play SF all he wants. Just don’t shoot the deep ball.
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
Somewhat harsh, andy
our two best SF’s also lead the team in 3pt shooting. So, it doesn’t take a genius to determine that 3pt shooting in an important part of playing the 3 on this team. Three pt shooting from the SF is critical to spreading the floor. Especially since the ROY, plays major minutes and is still trying to find a consistent shot on the long ball.
Having three 3pt shooters on the floor, isn’t absolutely necessary, but it’s still nice. Having 2 is necessary, and having 1 is fatal. So, if JT can’t hit the 3 at a high percentage, then either we have to have one of our bigs morph into Spencer, or we’re limited to who we can have in the backcourt.
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A couple of things I failed to mention
1) I don’t think JT should start at SF.
2) I don’t think he should be seeing anything more than spot minutes at SF.
3) If having JT as SF creates a mismatch, roll with it.
4) I know Donte Greene is a more natural 3. But he seems to be the invisible man at midnight these days. I don’t think JT is a better SF than Greene, but I love how completely dominant the Kings can be in stretches with JT in at the same time as Dalembert & Cousins.
5) If JT is playing the 4 with Cousins at center and Casspi, and Dalembert and Landry sub in for Sam and Omri, is JT still playing the 4, or is Landry? And is that something else that makes people’s heads explode?
I guess I just don’t really care what you call a guy, I didn’t care if some sports writers don’t think Evans is a point guard. In the strict old school sense, he isn’t. So what? Sometimes, he’s the guy pulling the trigger the offense, other times he’s the bullet at the basket. Hell, I’m the guy that wants to see Beno and Head/Jeter in the back court, and Evans playing the 3 with some combination of Dalembert/Cousins/Landry/JT down low.
I just don’t care for labels, they limit thinking, options, and possibilities. I don’t really believe JT is going to start launching 3s, I don’t think Westphal wants him to, and I just don’t see why this matters, assuming the lineup produces in that configuration. If it doesn’t, move on, it’s just basketball.
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Well, I guess we could call JT PF2.
I don’t think it’s so far fetched to call a guy who replaces a SF, and is assigned to guard a SF, a SF. But if you don’t like labels, I guess we’re going to have a very hard time communication on this blog.
Center is a label, but I guess we could say “the big guy, who stands around the basket”. The PF will be tuff, but I guess we could go with " the other big guy, who shoots more away from the basket". The SF is really tuff because they can be 6-6 to 6-11 and 200-260 lbs, so I can’t use body discription. How about “Guy who stands in corner and receives kick out pass from Tyreke”.
Boy this is getting tuffer. Is Tyreke still NaPG when he’s on the court with Beno and Head? Labels don’t limit thinking, options and possiblities. Labels are nomenclature that help us communicate and keep us on the same page. People who can’t see beyond the label, limit possibilites.
You can call JT a duck, if it makes you feel better, but no one is going to understand. If JT subs for a player who was guarding the SF, and no one else is assigned to defend that person, then to me JT is playing SF. And, according to our coach the job of the SF is to be a shutdown defender and hit open shots. OH MY GOD, did Westphal just put a limitation on the SF label?
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JT is a duck
Nope – that didn’t make me feel any better.
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Since you brought up the center position, Brad Miller and Vlade Divac aren't big banging rebounders, I guess they aren't centers.
And they pass well. Clearly, no matter what they achieve while on the court, they are hideously oversized point guards who can’t dribble.
Shaq is the best center of the past 20 years, and neither Miller or Divac is Shaquille O’Neal. I hope they don’t read this and find out they’ve been living a lie.
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by andy sims on Nov 9, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It looks like your the one that's putting limitations on a name.
I’ve never said that the SF position has to have any particular qualities or that JT couldn’t play SF. All I’ve said is that if you sub for a SF, and I assume we all consider Omri a SF, and no one switches to defend the other teams SF. Then for clarity and communication purposes we can call JT a SF at that time.
Now, as to the requirements of the SF, you’ll have to turn to PW for those. He’s the one that set the requirements of the position, “Shutdown defender and hit open shots”. And, since Westphal felt it was necessary to go to a Zone to play JT along with Dalembert & Landry in the frontcourt, I assume even he doesn’t feel that JT meets the requirements.
Now, I’m not against Westphal experimenting, I’ve gotten use to it by now. What I am against is his changing his mind more often than he changed his lineups and rotations last season. We played man all thru training camp and preseason, and he’s willing to forgo all that practice, just to not play Donte. And, when we do acquire a SF to his liking, do we have to start all over and train the team to start playing man again? And, how much is that going to delay our development?
What’s going to happen when he decides that Omri isn’t the answer. After all he’s had a quick hook on Omri the last few games. At some time, is he going to have to work with the guys he has and teach them to play together and help each other out.
Everyone assumed that all the player movement last season was due to injuries. But, I’m beginning to believe that he’s just looking for quick fixes and isn’t patient enough to let he’s young players find their way. From my standpoint, this has never been about JT, Donte or whatever you want to call them when they are on the court. This has always been about Westphal, and that he’s having the same success working with our young players as he did when he was at Pepperdine.
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It's not so much thinking about the positions IMO
As it is having this pre-determined idea of what skills are necessary at those positions. “JT can’t shoot threes, so he can’t play the small forward position” is stone-age thinking.
And the JT experiment at the three may well be a failure. But I’m ok with it, because I see PW’s rationale. In my opinion, I’d respect PW a lot less if he didn’t try something he thought might work because it didn’t adhere to what everyone sees as the traditional role of a small forward in the NBA.
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by otis29 on Nov 9, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We need a "super-rec" button for this kind of thing
Well said, Andy…
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Well done Sims. Per usual.
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