Which Dunderhead King Doesn't Know the Playbook?
Sherlock Ziller's office, 11 AM. Ziller stumbles in unshaven, disheveled and smelling of a mix of cinnamon and spoiled baby formula. The sports page of the Sacramento Bee is splayed on his desk. A headline -- "Kings lose focus, fall to Pacers" -- is highlighted with a blue marker.
ZILLER: Blue? Interesting choice, mystery assignment editor.
Ziller begins to read the story, a recap of the Kings' 107-98 loss to Indiana the evening prior. He makes it to the sixth paragraph.
ZILLER (reading aloud): "You don't know the play, you shouldn't be in the game," says Carl Landry. Hmph. Is he implying there is a Kings player who doesn't know the plays?
Ziller reads on. Luther Head is quoted, and Ziller always pays particularly attention Head's quotes. Head is a skilled covert orator.
ZILLER: "Coach can draw up whatever he wants, but it's up to us to go out (and) carry out those assignments. Sometime we're forgetting plays." Hmm ... it seems Luther is also implying a King doesn't know the plays Coach calls out.
Ziller considers this, and moves on.
ZILLER: "It's not like football where you have a huge book of plays," says Samuel Dalembert. Right you are, Sam! "We've got to know our plays, we've got to execute our plays, we have to trust our plays." Then Jason Thompson: "Maybe it's not that they just forget it – maybe they don't want to know it and they just want to do their own thing." Hmm, could it be that a Kings player does not know, executve or trust the team's plays properly? But who? Who could it be?
End scene.
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Does anyone know? Seriously? Because all these accusations without a name ... it's like Eagle, Colorado, man.
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Casspi
He has no idea what’s going on out there
Dah! because evans ignors him, he gets so little of the ball...
As you know, omri is a mobile energetic player. He is not such a talent on offence, but he cuts inside, he moves, he scrambles… Thats Casspi’s game all right.
The fact that ryke, beno and generally EVERYBODY on our team ignore omri on offence and leave him with tough last second jumpers and contested 3’s – thats the problem. No wander he stands there, like an unwanted kid, on the arc – nobody is looking for him when he’s moving!
The last player who knew how to run a team was Rodriguez – and we know how well omri played alonside him.
good points
regarding Casspi’s energy and movement.
He played pretty well within the team concept with the Israeli national team, and knew how to execute plays. This guy has been playing organized basketball since he was a kid. Euro’s know their playbook. So I cannot believe that Beno or Casspi are the main culprits.
I hope this isn’t covert fingerpointing at Tyreke, but I wouldn’t be surprised.
Dunking Dutchman
no fingerpointing, just frustration
Omri is not a 3-point set shooter, It is not efficient for us, he is a nimble forward who can also shoot… he has made a lot of offencive effort on his first year,covered some distance running – and got absolutly no good passes.
All I’m saying is that it is up to Reke to integrate the israeli, as well as others, into the game – a thing he is currently horrible at.
I would disagree somewhat
Omri is a great 3-point set shooter. He has an extremely quick release and shoots really well. Enough to be a significant threat.
As to Tyreke, he had a lot of assists in the first half last night. I think the issue is that the other team adjusts during the second half and clamps down defensively. Leaving him with no option because the offense breaksdown completely.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
The obvious option
Leaving him with no option because the offense breaksdown completely.
Pass the fucking ball!
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Yeah pass the all those players standing still with defenders right in front of them...
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Maybe if you pass it
They’ll actually start to move.
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I just see it way to often
The play breaks down and everybody is standing around not moving. They are well defended with the other teams guys right in front of them.
I also disagree that Tyreke is a ball hog. Which you seem to imply. He had, what was it, something like 8 assists in the first half of the last game?
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
That doesn't mean he doesn't hog the ball
Unless Tyreke is the initiator of the offense, when he gets the ball in the half court we can be assured that hes going to hold the ball for about 5 seconds waiting for something to happen that never does. I’m also confident that more often then not hes going to go 1 on 1 and try to get to the rim and if he is blocked then he will kick it out to someone that is open. It might get him assists, but its not fostering good offense if that is how you contribute at that end of the floor 90% of the time.
I don’t know whos fault that is, but thats one of my big critiques of Evans game.
If you look closely you can see the playsets
PW runs that sort of play pretty often. It is a 1-4 flat sideways and he runs it for Cousins as well. I know his goal is to keep the paint from being packed, but the other teams still cheat off the players who are not good outside shooters and pack the paint anyway. So it really doesn’t work.
Most of what you are seeing is the plays called by the coach…
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I understand and see that
so the counter is dribble handoffs or the posts setting screens which I don’t see at all. I understand why people would, but I don’t blame the coach for players not knowing how to play if the defense takes something away. Thats young players that don’t understand defense or offense really well.
I think this goes back to the post, players forgetting plays also means that they might not really understand what they are doing in the first place. I think Beno, Landry and actually Dally understand how to play well enough to make a good basketball play when something breaks down, but the rest of the team is a little behind in that regard.
Rec'd for noting the difference between veterans and young players.
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I don't believe having poor outside shooters is the cause of teams packing the lane
at least not all the time. We’re not always seeing 5 opponents in the paint. Yes, there might be 1 additional defender, but that’s because we are easy to defend with good rotations.
When you have 2 offensive players standing around, you can defend them both with one player even if the spacing is right. It doen’t take a great defender to keep himself between the ball and 2 opponents when your on the weakside of the court. That allows one defender who can cheat and help defend the paint.
So, even if all the weakside offensive players are good shooters, a team who’s players know there rotations can still cheat off their man. Now, if our players weren’t stationary and were cutting and trying to get open, it would be impossible for 1 player to defend them.
That’s why we need more player movement, on the weakside of the court. And, when they do get open, that will open up the offense to more ball movement.
There really isn’t a great benefit to swinging the ball from one side of the court to the other if the guy receiving the ball isn’t open for a shot or at least in better position to make the entry pass to get an easy shot.
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schematicly:
1. Secondery players move and cut
2. Reke should use it and initiate team playes
3. but he doesn’t… maybe Pw told him to play this way…?
4. secondery players stop moving – cause it prooves useless
5. Reke has even less options on offense, and offense failes.
6. Everybody blames the secondery players for not moving… and thats just tunnel vision, cause it is a symptom – while the problem is in playmaking qualities.
Casspi missed his shots last night but he looked very good moving the ball in the offense.
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casspi can't shoot
That is way they ignore him.he makes one out of 10.point being geoff petrie better trade some of these goofs and get some shooters!!
by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Dec 2, 2010 8:07 AM PST up reply actions
Can we trade you for rush Limbaugh….At least he has a possibility of being right every once in a while
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Are you for real? You do understand that this post completely discredits you and that you come across as idiotic, right?
Casspi is shooting 42%, not 10%. He is shooting 38% from the 3 pt. line, but I guess you would rather not consider facts and make up your own.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Apparently cowboyron is almost as good at math as he is at spelling.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 2, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Hay...
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Dunderhead?
I think his last name is Mifflin.
I'm feeling like I want to rage...right now.
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by kangsfan on Dec 1, 2010 11:24 AM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm...
Jason Thompson: “Maybe it’s not that they just forget it – maybe they don’t want to know it and they just want to do their own thing.”
Tyreke?
thats what i thought
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by Eddie Gonzalez on Dec 1, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
I feel like each quote from above is aimed at different players
But yeah, that one, specifically, seems to be Tyreke.
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I agree with 300.
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Wow, really?
Maye he’s feeling the burden of being the Kings’ savior and he’s trying to do too much, trying to replicate his success from last year.
There can only be one Noce!
This is a part of it I think Noce.
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That's great. This kind of quote would make Tyreke hate JT as in STFU.
JT just called your best player a ball hog.
"Go ahead. Make my day."
I don't think its DMC
at least not last night. DMC had several plays seemingly drawn up for him. I don’t think he was at fault at all for the offense tonight, as we were running a lot smoother with him in the game (everything fell apart again after he had to leave with his 5th foul)
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you'd think it was either a guy who was part of the 3Q collapse or who derailed the 4Q comeback
Granger?
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Reke/DMC/Beno?/Donte..
Hopefully the rest of the team will comment so we’ll narrow it down more.
I’d put money on a Big (since every other big mentioned something, not D-Jack) or possibly a PG
I don't think Jackson plays enough to cause this much of a stir for not knowing the plays
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 2, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
The beauty is that it could be a number of guys
And that’s the magic – we have a bunch of guys that look like they don’t know the plays.
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by section214 on Dec 1, 2010 11:42 AM PST reply actions 7 recs
So we’re all like he say she say but there ain’t no factual in the matter. Let me state rather matter-of-factual: nobody is doing what it is, so for everybody to say it’s somebody means nobody is anybody. What it is I’m saying is that whoever was there when they were supposed to be there isn’t there anymore, and while the perimeter doesn’t necessarily mean you are on the outside looking in, we call them outside shooters anyway. So, like, if people are where they’re supposed to be at, then nobody’s going to be where they ain’t at. But if you in the game and you on the court, then you are where you at. You can’t not be where you are, so the game is the game. If he ain’t there, you gotta be there.
So like, we got a bunch of guys and they’re all like “He ain’t there where he’s supposed to be” when we’re they’re supposed to be is based on where he is. Basketball is a team game, if one person doesn’t know the offense, the whole team doesn’t know the offense. So if that person is there when they’re not supposed to be there, and if everyone else on the team is where they’re supposed to be, then how come they’re not pointing to the person that’s there and saying “Why the hell are you there?” If you’re a team and communicating, and ONE person doesn’t know the offense, then all the other 4 players are going to look at that person like: “YOU! NOT THERE! OVER THERE! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!?!” And if they don’t do that, then there are only two options as to why they’re not cussing the person that isn’t running the offense properly. Option A is what happened to the Lakers when Phil Jackson came back, which is that no one knew what anything was so weren’t able to call anyone else out. Option B is what happens when Kobe stops following the offense and does his thing, which is that everybody does the offense except for Kobe but don’t say anything to him about it because Kobe is Kobe.
But you know, for everyone to say the offense is the offense but the player isn’t in the offense has to mean that a player is either defining the offense or forgetting the offense, but ain’t no way ONE player doesn’t know the offense and is playing in ignorance. Nah. Naaaaaaaaaaah.
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by iashwash on Dec 1, 2010 11:42 AM PST reply actions 9 recs
I’m trying to decide if this is best read in the voice of A.I. or perhaps Tracy Morgan. Maybe Charlie Murphy? haha, that was good tho
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by joeytothelimit on Dec 1, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty sure its best read as the Doctor from Back to the Future.
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I read it as Shaggy from Scooby Doo
Zoinks, yo.
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by Exhibit G on Dec 1, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome G.
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“Nah. Naaaaaaaaaaah.”
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Westphal maybe?
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by otis29 on Dec 1, 2010 11:49 AM PST reply actions 12 recs
yep
out loud
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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
Didn’t Udoka say the playbook is to just stand around? I haven’t noticed anybody forgetting to do that.
by wabut on Dec 1, 2010 11:53 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
We run plays?
I could have sworn we used the Mike Brown playbook of “Give the ball to the best player and have him drive the lane. If he doesn’t get fouled/a shot have him make a terrifying mid-air pass to either DMC or whomever’s beyond the arc” .
Dip til I rip
by Muff209 on Dec 1, 2010 12:15 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
We run plays?
I could have sworn we used the Mike Brown playbook of “Give the ball to the best player and have him drive the lane. If he doesn’t get fouled/a shot have him make a terrifying mid-air pass to either DMC or whomever’s beyond the arc” .
Dip til I rip
by Muff209 on Dec 1, 2010 12:16 PM PST via mobile reply actions
god damn mobile browser
Dip til I rip
by Muff209 on Dec 1, 2010 12:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It's all your iPhone's fault!
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Wait……..
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by ElRonToro on Dec 1, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
No, but there's "ho" in phone.
Actually, there are several in mine.
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by PhutureKings on Dec 2, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Off topic (again!)
Kriedler just mentioned in a Bee chat that Houston has inquired about getting Landry back.
Speculations?
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I assume the Kings have green lighted that
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I wouldn't be surprised if they haven't
Due to the Juice Man’s involvement.
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Old news really
how about that Kevin Martin guy?
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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
(somebody had to do it)
King obvious.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
We need a consistent outside shooter...
…that also plays well of Tyreke and with the other players too. That didn’t happen with Kevin Martin.
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Perhaps. Although....
…the sample size was bigger than the sample size that is currently inducing the current freak out.
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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Martin A+ shooter and the right size
If he could play D or handle he would be perfect…but alas
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
martin
we should have kept him. I still resent management for the trade. Looking at Evan’s shooting woes, i think it was a bad trade. Besides, we did not even shop him for top value. ….we should/could have got more than just Landry…..hell, Morey fleeced NY.
Trade is not officially over util we see
what we do with the cap space
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
We got Landry
and $34 million that we didn’t to pay Martin. But it looks like that $34 million is going to keep the Maloofs overall enterprises afloat and won’t be used to improve the Kings.
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So you're saying that you believe
that the Kings will not utilize that cap space over the next three years?
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You're very observant
Also I guess you could say the deal is now Martin for Landry, Luther Head, Pooh Jeter and a shitload of money.
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No - I was just curious as to your take
The Kings will save $7.6 million this year if they don’t make a move, as that is the difference between Landry and Martin’s salaries. Martin will make $11.5 million next year, and 12.4 million the year after that. So my question was, do you think that the Kings will sit on that money through the expiration of Martin’s contract and pocket the net $31.5 million in savings, or will they spend it at some point.
And the guys like Head and Jeter don’t really factor into it. I think that what we’re talking about is whether or not the Kings reinvest in a highly paid player (by NBA standards), wouldn’t you agree?
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The Maloofs have said very openly
and MULTIPLE times that, yes, they are sitting on the money right now. Unless something perfectly obvious comes around that is the best situation for them to spend, then they are going to wait until the new CBA. They said once that new CBA is in effect they are going to go out and SPEND to make the team better, but if they become impatient and spend now, they would just be setting the rebuild back 3-5 years, and I agree with the decision.
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 2, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with that as well
I was just trying to gain an understanding as to what NEK’s take was.
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I know
I was more responding to the thread more than you specifically. I feel arguing about the money right now is a moot point and a wast of types on the keyboard
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 2, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
"It's a moo point...
it’s like a cow’s opinion. It just doesn’t matter. It’s moo."
Now in Sactown
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 2, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I care about what the cows have to say
I want to know why they are so damn happy
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 2, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes
To use your words, which I assume you understand, I “believe that the Kings will not utilize that cap space over the next three years” beyond the nickle and dime deals to fill the roster that I alluded to.
I think the talk about the CBA is pretty much a smokescreen. They really don’t have the wherewithal to make this a competitive franchise, and the empty seats this year with the product they are currently putting on the floor won’t help in that regard.
Unfortunately, we may need a clean sweep to become a relevant franchise again: new owners, a new GM and a new coach. Hopefully that doesn’t include a new city as well.
"Not new here and there is a core that believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones. ... Go against the grain and have an opinion different than the rest of the good ole boy club and they come out swinging trying to dismantle you and your opinions… and not in a mature debate fashion either, like elementary school."
Is this something that you see is possible or even probably
or is it to spur debate and discussion on the board?
The latter.
Its NEK’s M.O.
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Yes. But there is also a point where you weren't.
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by Bluejohn on Dec 1, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It's Tyreke
It’s the damn elephant in the room
elephants never forget
why wouldn’t they know the plays?
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by ElRonToro on Dec 1, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
The word forget
implies having known the play in the first place.
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I think its the plan B that people are forgeting
Obviously plan A is not well executed either. If the original play breaks down—which it usually does for every NBA team—the counter must be executed quickly. We always come out and have to reset because the counter is poorly concieved, executed, etc.
Thus, it looks like Reke is hogging the ball when people aren’t in position after the first option breaks down. Compare the movement between successful plays and bad ones and you can tell.
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
by sac_faithful on Dec 1, 2010 12:23 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Sebastian would be able to give you nice pretty pictures and break it down but him I am not
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
by sac_faithful on Dec 1, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
He just holds onto it too long after that happens.
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This is probably it
I have noticed that when the set play, I have a bit of a list I am compiling, breaks down they often end up standing there not knowing what to do and taking a bad shot.
This is a particular problem in the 3rd quarter. The other team adjusts to their playsets from the first half and the plan A ends up not working during the 3rd quarter. Then they forget plan B… Makes perfect sense.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
yes. the last two games illustrate this perfectly
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
PW has explicitly stated this as a problem the team has
… and I agree with others that it’s probably Tyreke who isn’t quite sure what to do when plan A breaks down. It probably happens with DMC too but the players are cutting him some slack since he’s a rookie.
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It's obviously Antoine Wright
Dude doesn’t even show up to the games anymore.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 12:24 PM PST reply actions 17 recs
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Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
by sac_faithful on Dec 1, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
I predict this will go green quickly.
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Good deal.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Moses Malone
someone once asked Moses what the play was and he response was “I take it to the hoe.” I think Evans runs this play most of the time.
by noreboundsnorings on Dec 1, 2010 1:03 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Moses was okay.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Was he a farmer or a pimp?
I take it to the hoe
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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Moses was country...
…so he was probably both.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
DMC
i actually liked the offense going through DMC. He looked pretty good. Feed the big guy down low…..Evans has no shot at this point in his career. And teams are loading up on him in the paint.
Cuz may be the feller
His frustration is evident.
Also may be the man himself, Tyreke. That would explain the magnitude of this mess.
Cousins
I liked the fact that he finally starter to take those short jumpers if they give them to him. He’s got to do that both to keep them honest and because he can make those shots. It also avoids a lot of charges. Win-win-win.
"Not new here and there is a core that believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones. ... Go against the grain and have an opinion different than the rest of the good ole boy club and they come out swinging trying to dismantle you and your opinions… and not in a mature debate fashion either, like elementary school."
Until he gets comfortable
and only shoots jumpers, then becomes cocky and starts shooting threes.
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 2, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
if there was any confusion.
I liked moses too. It was his way of saying “hole”. Seems the “l” got left out.
by noreboundsnorings on Dec 1, 2010 1:54 PM PST reply actions
Come on Ziller
We know you’re talking about the entire Kings team.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants
Flip reverse it
Which Kings DO know the plays?
I apologise for the inaccurate use of the plural.
by Rickyflip on Dec 1, 2010 2:29 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Lots of funny stuff here
I’ve been cracking up over all the theories. On a serious note, if I had only read the newspaper, I would assume they were, or at least might be, talking about Tyreke. But the thing is, Tyreke was the first one to bring this up. After the Bulls game, he said he was calling plays and guys didn’t know where to go on them. That’s what brought up the PW question last night that I assume led to today’s Bee article.
So if we rule out JT, Sammy, Head, Landry, and Beno, then focus on the fact that several of them keep referring to youth, and knowing that Stretch is in Reno and hasn’t even been playing for the Kings, that only rely leaves: Cuz, Greene, Casspi, and Jeter as possibilities.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
Ya but the offense has these same problems when those guys are on the bench too
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
A line up of
Reke, head, sammy, cisco, and Landry should execute relatively well then. I wonder how the advanced stats look on this subject.
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
Yeah. I thought the same thing.
The interesting thing though is that the starting line up actually includes four of the five guys who complained: ’Reke, Head, JT, and Sammy.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
Leaving Donte
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Sammy was criticized in Philly
for not studying offense enough, f that means anything.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
Sammy has never been accused of being cerebral. Just saying.....
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yeah
I wouldn’t want him running my offense by any stretch. But all the comments seem to be focused on young guys.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
Sammy
Only played in the first half. Which is when the offense worked..
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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 1, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
This is true too.
Well, the offense worked when DMC & Beno were scoring.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure there's a corellation with Sammy there
The Bulls and Pacers ratcheted up their defensive pressure in the second half and that’s when the Kings’ offense started breaking down. The Kings have trouble executing when their offense gets disrupted earlier in the shot clock.
"Live Long and Prosper." - Spock
But what if
he is calling the plays that he thinks are correct, but are actually wrong. So when the rest of the team is running the correct play, he is getting upset standing at the 3 point line wondering why the team doesn’t know the play, then just drives to the hoop.
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 2, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
Slamson
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2010 3:05 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
My favorite suggestion yet.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I always knew that lion was a slacker
Do you have any idea how many DNPCDs he’s gotten this year?
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
He did start that one game when PW was looking for a different starting small forward
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
He can hit the long ball - I've seen him do it!
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
I hear he's unstoppable during flea and tick season
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
by otis29 on Dec 1, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
One thing you can say about him
He’s an absolute beast.
Never forget, I'm an idiot.
by Exhibit G on Dec 1, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Only during mating season
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
by otis29 on Dec 1, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
He must be in mating season 24/7
And he seems to have a particular hankering for referees…
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
You ain't lion, mane.
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by PhutureKings on Dec 2, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But he's a locker room cancer.
Or is that a Leo?
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
But he Bites too often on every fake
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
And he's always prowling the perimeter
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Take it to the hole big feline!
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 1, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Recs for all.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
He's soffffffffft
A real pussy.
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by section214 on Dec 1, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
He's good at chasing down balls
but he gets bored quickly
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
He rules the Bobcats
but is afraid of the Thunder
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
... and takes pride in his work
although the does on the side line are very tempting.
"Live Long and Prosper." - Spock
Balls out
Is how Slamson plays
Gentlemen... BEHOLD!!!
by Wrath of Kyle on Dec 1, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Reke Cousins banners taken down at Arco
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
TRADE
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Who's banners are we getting?
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
The Wiggles?
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
ElRon
Are you serious or just saying? If they took them down that seems like kinda a big deal from a marketing angle….
I was uncool before it was cool
Grant elaborated
Says it was a planned take down, because they can’t withstand the weather. Case of Bad Timing? The huge banner is also off whatever building that was…
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
CalSTRS
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
Foretelling?
All these years you and I’ve spent together,
all this, we just couldn’t stand the weather
Stevie Ray Vaughan, 1984
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Nope.
I mean, they were taken down, but according to Grant, who talked with the marketing people, [I listened to his show for ten minutes at 4 just to hear this] they were just taken down because they wouldn’t have been able to handle winter weather, and they weren’t intended to stay up all season anyway because it was mainly a preseason campaign tool. He said the ’Reke banner was already showing serious wear and tear [literally, it was tearing] and so they just took them down.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
It was scheduled all along
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
yup
I seem to recall in one of the threads back in September talkin about how Calpers was allowing them to use the building for free for a certain period of time, ending either the end of November or beginning of December
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
I believe the schedule was to keep them up in September and October
and then alternate between taking the banner ups and pulling them down at various points during November.
but, don’t quote me
by betweentheeyes on Dec 1, 2010 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
How about replacing it with a banner of
Westie, Coachie and Petrie taking a Viagra?
“Here we rise.”
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Or a chick with a stethoscope placed on a dude's crotch.
“Hear me rise.”
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
or we can go the other way
and if they continue to suck just have the same picture except it says “Eat. Pray. Love.”
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
So, ultimately? Coaching fail?
PW can or can’t teach these players his playsets? Isn’t that the job of the coach. If he can’t is that on the players or the coach? Probably some of both, but seems like a coach should be able to teach plays.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Coach can teach all he wants
But its on the players to learn. Think about a teacher in school with kids. Not everyone learns at the same rate.
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Yeah, but that is why they have special ed
You assign extra staff to those students to make sure they don’t fail. If somebody doesn’t get it and fails it is still the fault of the educational system. Same thing applies here IMO.
Now don’t get me wrong. I am not saying we have special ed players. Just that it is incumbent upon the coaching staff to teach and get the team to run the plays. If a players needs special help getting it then, IMO, it is still up to the coaching staff to make sure they get it.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Mustang
To compare the NBA to the public education system is like comparing apples to meat.
These players are like the GATE students. They have excelled at every level of play up to this point. They didn’t need to have someone hold there hands in college to learn the system. It shouldn’t be required when they take it as a professional career choice.
Bad analogy IMO.
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I agree, but disagree
These players are the best of the best and have never known failure, but thats also a burden when they get to this level. Up until the start of their pro careers every player on this roster could take the ball to the hoop whenever they wanted too, theres no need to cut or screen because they were so much more physically gifted then everyone it didn’t need to be done. Now we have a team full of you players who don’t really understand team basketball. Its not just us, a ton of teams go through the same struggles with young players. The Clippers are actually a pretty awful offensive team most nights they don’t play us, and I think its because they are too young to understand moving without the ball.
The players aren’t very basketball smart in my opinion. They have a great skill set and are gifted physically, but most of them really don’t know how to move without the ball. Thats what I see anyway.
I'm no genius and I always knew how to move without the ball
Really, is there any player who doesn’t? It’s not rocket science.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
I agree with jstn here.
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Just curious
when Michael Vick admitted that when he was at Atlanta the coaches would send him game tape to watch at home but he just threw it in the back seat of his car and let the film pile up, would you say it is his fault?
(of course with the Cousins quote about DVDs one can say my comment here might in fact bring out a problem in the coaching staff)
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
LOL Wally.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Most staffs have a coach that is assigned to a particular player
usually a young one. It just takes time for young guys to learn how to play, we are getting there slowly but surely.
Another thing that isn’t mentioned is the amount of practice time these guys get once the season starts. One 2 hour practice every 4 days isn’t going to make our players a lot better, just keep them sharp (or in our case try to get beyond dull). We will see the team perform better as the season goes on methinks, but the big leaps take place during the summer.
I think it is probably hard to teach new plays given the schedule, so many games.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I don't think I can even imagine the weird day to day NBA player schedule during the season
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
Uh
Ziller stumbles in unshaven, disheveled and smelling of a mix of cinnamon and spoiled baby formula.
Maybe you should stop putting cinnamon in your baby’s formula? Or is that some crazy new holiday drink that I haven’t heard of yet?
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
It's elementary...
Carl, JT, Luther, Dally…Sherlock quotes every starter from the last few games,
except…
"I don’t know. We were down, and it looked like I was supposed to make a play every time. So I just tried my best to help the team get open and try and find an open shot."
—his quote after the Bulls game
I think Tyreke fit in better
when he was a rookie trying to fit in during a 14-15 start last season. Then came the 1-4 flat and the 20-5-5, and it’s been all downhill since then.
I hearken back to a game I attended at Arco last November against the Rockets, early in the season, when he played under control, ran the offense, fed the ball in the post to JT and made timely drives to the hole without forcing things. I want that player back.
"Not new here and there is a core that believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones. ... Go against the grain and have an opinion different than the rest of the good ole boy club and they come out swinging trying to dismantle you and your opinions… and not in a mature debate fashion either, like elementary school."
Except
that Evans really played his best all around ball after the all star break, against stiffer competition than what he faced during that 14-15 run, especially his assists and assist/turnover ratio. I understand that the team did not fare as well, though that was against immensly stronger competition than what they faced while going 14-15.
I would be happier with post-all star break Tyreke than pre-all star break Tyreke. That said, I would take either over what we have witnessed recently.
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I don't agree
His numbers got all pumped up, but that doesn’t make him a better player or a better fit for the team. And now that the league has that all figured out, the pumped numbers are also gone.
"Not new here and there is a core that believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones. ... Go against the grain and have an opinion different than the rest of the good ole boy club and they come out swinging trying to dismantle you and your opinions… and not in a mature debate fashion either, like elementary school."
You're entitled to your opinion
I think that Evans was a more complete player in February/March than he was in November/December, and the numbers (which you covet when they help an argument go your way) support that.
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Numbers are only worthwhile when they support your argument.
Otherwise, when numbers don’t support your argument, are irritating coincidences.
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by pookeyguru on Dec 2, 2010 8:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Which numbers?
You may be right in one way, because since they gave him the keys to the franchise, it allowed him to stretch offensively and as a scorer. But it also seems to have given him a sense of entitlement that he doesn’t need to fit into a team concept, and occasionally doesn’t have to play D.
His defense is not better than it was early last season, that’s for sure. He got a lot of compliments on that from Westphal at the time, but not so much anymore.
"Not new here and there is a core that believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones. ... Go against the grain and have an opinion different than the rest of the good ole boy club and they come out swinging trying to dismantle you and your opinions… and not in a mature debate fashion either, like elementary school."
We are comparing last November/December to last February/March
If we are comparing last year to this year, there is no doubt that Evans was playing at a higher level last year. That was not the conversation that you and I were having here.
Nor was the conversation about why Evans was or was not better in the 2nd half last season – just whether he was bettter or not better. Whether it was entitlement or the race to 20-5-5 or an extra helping of Wheaties is really not germane to this conversation. Simply, he was a better player in February/March than he was in November/December, especially in the areas of assists, assist/turnover ratio, and rebounding.
Spin it all you want (because I know the win-loss argument is coming from you next, and why that was all Evans’ fault), but the simple fact of the matter is that Tyreke Evans played his best professional ball after the all star break last year.
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I'll consolidate his arguments
Tyreke Evans is a bum and Mario Elie is the next Phil Jackson. Repeat ad nauseum.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
If I'm already nauseus
can I stop?
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
by ElRonToro on Dec 2, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah but Otis
doesn’t the unknown always have the upside?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 2, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't really respond to a non-answer
Simply, he was a better player in February/March than he was in November/December, especially in the areas of assists, assist/turnover ratio, and rebounding.
I’m assuming his usage rate and shot attempts went up at the same time, and perhaps his minutes on the court also went up. More opportunities mean more stats. We know the team got worse, and we know the schedule was tougher.
So I just disagree with your statement that “the simple fact of the matter is that Tyreke Evans played his best professional ball after the all star break last year.” I think he can be a more effective player and the Kings a more effective team if he does less (more effectively) on offense and gives us a better defensive effort, similar to the defensive effort he was giving prior to the All-Star break last season.
I also really don’t want to read any more of his “I think I have to be the saviour” crap, either, as rationale for why he can’t run the team or the plays.
"Not new here and there is a core that believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones. ... Go against the grain and have an opinion different than the rest of the good ole boy club and they come out swinging trying to dismantle you and your opinions… and not in a mature debate fashion either, like elementary school."
I also really don’t want to read any more of his "I think I have to be the saviour" crap, either, as rationale for why he can’t run the team or the plays.
If I were you I’d stop reading.
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If I were you, I'd stop posting
comments with little substance. Bring something new to the table, or keep your fingers in your pockets.
"Not new here and there is a core that believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones. ... Go against the grain and have an opinion different than the rest of the good ole boy club and they come out swinging trying to dismantle you and your opinions… and not in a mature debate fashion either, like elementary school."
Almost time for a new username NEK
You’ve just about burned out another one.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Way to be an echo
"Not new here and there is a core that believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones. ... Go against the grain and have an opinion different than the rest of the good ole boy club and they come out swinging trying to dismantle you and your opinions… and not in a mature debate fashion either, like elementary school."
Just prognosticating, big fella
You should just stay with this one though – you’ll get sniffed out pretty quick.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
This name is fine
but if I was called “otis29,” I’d be embarassed and change it. Particularly if I made the comments associated with that name.
"Not new here and there is a core that believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones. ... Go against the grain and have an opinion different than the rest of the good ole boy club and they come out swinging trying to dismantle you and your opinions… and not in a mature debate fashion either, like elementary school."
I also really don’t want to read any more of his "I think I have to be the saviour" crap, either, as rationale for why he can’t run the team or the plays.
Once again, not really germane to the conversation that we were having, but if it helps you spin away from your original and erroneous statement, more power to you.
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Erroneous in your opinion
Which is what we are doing here, swapping opinions.
"Not new here and there is a core that believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones. ... Go against the grain and have an opinion different than the rest of the good ole boy club and they come out swinging trying to dismantle you and your opinions… and not in a mature debate fashion either, like elementary school."
I’m assuming …
Call me crazy but can’t we just look it up? I can’t go to most websites right with the per 36 numbers but you can take a calculator to most the stats and TS% is easy enough to calculate.
I also really don’t want to read any more of his "I think I have to be the saviour" crap, either, as rationale for why he can’t run the team or the plays.
Where on Earth did anyone in this thread say that? Heck, the only time I ever read anyone talk about that they aren’t even offering it as an excuse, it’s actually a criticism on what he does when the team is down a lot. It’s actually a criticism of why the offense gets even more stagnate.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
I was talking about Tyreke, not the posters here.
"Not new here and there is a core that believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones. ... Go against the grain and have an opinion different than the rest of the good ole boy club and they come out swinging trying to dismantle you and your opinions… and not in a mature debate fashion either, like elementary school."
Well
Jason Thompson: “Maybe it’s not that they just forget it – maybe they don’t want to know it and they just want to do their own thing.”
To me, this just reeks of ’Reke.
I have to admit, Im a little worried that this team is going to self destruct on a level we have never witnessed here in Sac-town.
I was uncool before it was cool
Luther definitely made it sound like the locker room isn't doing so hot.
I hope they can get back to the lovable fun to watch Kings of last year who had fun and really seemed to enjoy playing together. It seems like there may be one or two dudes in there that have gotten too big for their britches.
Reke NaPG, people have been wrong about that from day one
if he was he might think about working the roll with DMC a la Nash/Stoudamire … and getting a consistent midrage jumper, not that fallaway crap.
Reke’s rookie year set a bad precedent. He does think he’s supposed to do something to score on every play. Id be willing to wager if he went out, we’d still lose, but the games would be closer and more fun to watch because people might think they were going to catch a pass.
Hopefully, this is just a slump and he can adjust to new D and will start to choose wiser shots and get others involved. But there has to be a consistent outside shooter added. Seems like he doesn’t trust his teammates and they don’t trust him. If that’s your franchise equation, then the boobirds will be out nightly.
My vote is for
NaPG. He just never seems to pass. And of all the people who have been quoted, luther, landry, jt, dally, beno and dmc’s frustration levels and who was on the floor during the issues in question I say it was tyreke with the ball in the 3rd, a la clue. Plus he is the only one westie wouldn’t dare take out even with such a failure.
by Craunic on Dec 1, 2010 7:12 PM PST via mobile reply actions
He's not a great passer
But he’s had 9 assists each of the last two games. So you can’t say he “just never seems to pass”.
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Especially when you consider
the multitude of missed threes that this team has thrown up when he does kick out.
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The way Tyreke is missing shots is more bothersome than the lack of "passing" IMO>
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Agreed
And I am more concerned with his turnovers than his assist numbers as well.
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It's not the amount of TO's either. That happens with guys who have the ball as much as Tyreke.
It’s the way he’s turning over the ball that’s the problem.
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Then again it needs to be stated: No other player on the Kings even comes close to drawing this kind of attention.
That’s why so many people are high on Reke.
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Also agreed but this is to be expected
When you re-tool a skill performance of that skill often drops as your old body mechanics get thrown in the garbage and you work on replacing them with a new, better set of body mechanics. It’s going to take a while for those new body mechanics to become engrained enough to become reliable in game situations.
His shooting will be better but it’s definitely a work in progress.
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I agree with this hozr...
…but I was more referencing that he’s missing shots he can definitely make (like layups) or shots in the lane that he is flat out missing right now. He’s missing shots he should make regardless of mechanics.
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Yeah, there's that too
In that case, it looks to me like it’s a combination of defenses being more prepared for his drive and him trying to force it more than last year. His layups look more out of control than last year and he’s committing more offensive charges too which supports that notion.
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I think that
Everyone is to blame to a certain extent, maybe some more than others. Fingerpointing is not the answer here. At some point the ball stops moving and so do the players, so there can’t be plays if no one is moving to get them done. Tyreke sometimes gets out of control going 1-on-5, Beno has become stagnant moving the ball, Casspi and Donte move without the ball sometimes but watch on later possessions, all of the bigs go to the low post but run to the high post when they don’t get the ball, Head dribbles too much and doesn’t know what to with the ball sometimes, DMC tries to do too much and turns the ball over and is out of position sometimes. Even PW might be to blame for not riding his players a little more about running the plays, maybe he’s not calling the right plays in the right situations, or maybe the players just don’t agree with what he is calling. The blame can’t go to one player; this ones on the team.
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I'm not convinced at all that these guys were talking about NaPG.
Why? Couple of things.
1) Reke had a successful rookie season. During that season, he had to learn the playbook, right? And execute it well enough to go 20-5-5? Im going to go out on a limb here and assume that they are using the same playbook as last year (who the hell throws out a playbook after 1 year?). Since a majority of the comments pointed to a person unfamiliar with the plays, it can’t be Reke because Reke basically knows all the plays from last year. All he needs to learn are the new wrinkles to the old plays.
2) If they were referring to Reke, who already proved last year that he knew the plays and who would have to run those same plays in practice this year plus the new wrinkles, wouldn’t they all be saying what JT was saying? That so-and-so was ignoring the plays rather than so-and-so doesn’t know them? Shouldn’t their comments be something like “No one calls plays anymore”, “Why do we practice plays yet never do them in a game?” or even “I don’t know why people don’t just execute the play.”
So what actually worries me is JT’s comment. That one kinda points at Reke,
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by NoceOne on Dec 1, 2010 8:46 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
This is a good point.
Last year one of the big point about Tyreke (and Curry for that matter), was that they had disproportionate “Basketball I.Q.s” for their relative experience.
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by tomroadrunner on Dec 2, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
My late take
While I do believe that there may be a problem with some players not knowing the plays, I also think this may be more smoke than fire. I think frustration is talking here and some finger pointing is in order.
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by Poison Monkey on Dec 1, 2010 9:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
That almost made a modicum of sense.
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by Poison Monkey on Dec 3, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
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I think Landry, Head, Dally, and JT are actually talking about each other
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I think they're all talking about Sam and he's just delusional.
There is no way the coaches are calling that many “feed Sammy in the post and let him throw up a wild shot” plays.
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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 2, 2010 5:35 AM PST up reply actions
Only One King doesnt know plays?
Right now, I’ll take that :p
by Slikk_J on Dec 2, 2010 4:31 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
It is my fault...
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by want2win on Dec 2, 2010 6:01 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Reke
In my opinion is the biggest reason we are losing. He is not a true point gaurd and never was. Yes he had a outright insane rookie season he has not improved. He hasnt played to expectations and it seems like he has been giving up on plays. His shot is still complete crap amd yes he does hog the ball. He can be a good 2 gaurd but he needs desprit work on that ugly shot of his.
I see more potential out of DMC than our ROTY last year. Demarcus just needs to grow up and realize he is in the pros now… Once he figures out his little issues the kings will be a better team.
Last point: JT needs to play more he has been playing very well lately from what i seen. He has way more potential then laundry
by silverguy on Dec 2, 2010 12:33 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Yessssssss I'm not the only one to call him Laundry!
Sorry Pimp, Your points are valid, but I had to pick that out!
With Reke
Yeah you can see he hasn’t really improved statistically, But other teams have worked him out, and hes trying to figure it out. Once he does this, then that’s when I believe you will see the stats improve.
He seems to be working a bit harder on defense too (Still long way to go, but if it’s getting better I’m happy)
His jumper….well I’m praying to God, Allah & Buddha that he develops one, but realistically, I don’t think you can turn a big weakness into a strength over one pre-season. Unfortunately practice makes perfect :p
Why are these guys chewing out their teammates to the press?
That, to me, is the biggest problem. If you have a problem with a member of the roster, you keep it between you and him (or, maybe, you and the coach). Public back-stabbing of this sort is just silly, unprofessional, and even more detrimental to team unity.
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Keep in mind, words matter
Only Landry uses a pronoun that represents a single person. But, he could be referring to multiple “you’s.” Dalembert and Head use words like “us” and “we” which could indicate more than one King not knowing the plays. It also indicates an amount of professionalism due to being vets to use words referring to the group as a whole. JT says “they” because, let’s face it, he’s not the one forgetting plays. JT doesn’t have the ability not to work his ass off in anything and everything basketball related.
The reality is, it’s pretty easy to figure out. Only three guys have a usage percentage about 20%: Reke, DMC, Landry. I’m singling out these guys because they get enough minutes and enough usage that if they’re forgetting plays its really going to hurt the team.
Landry’s older, he’s a vet. He also works his ass off and is known to be fairly mature. If he were forgetting plays, he’d probably be the first to admit it. I’m going to have to rule him out.
That leaves Reke and Cousins, both of whom are probably the guilty parties. And I think this will continue to be an issue for them. They’re both young and both being presented as saviors of our franchise. Tyreke carried the entire burden of that last year. On top of that, I don’t think he was held accountable enough when he made mistakes. That’s not a good message to send. Tyreke hasn’t been handled as well as he should have, which is ridiculous. He doesn’t strike me as the Lebron-esque egomaniac that needs to be pampered. I’m also willing to buy the fact that his foot is bothering him more than is let on. Plantar fascitis is a nagging injury that will probably bother him all year.
Boogie, on the other hand, is a double edged sword. We love his brashness and his swagger. He’s young and dumb too. Combine all those qualities and you get a guy who thinks he’s better than he really is. Eventually, he’ll learn some humility (we hope). When (if?) that happens, he’ll probably be the best big man in the league for several years. Until then, there’s going to be growing pains which will include going off the playbook and trying to make things happen that aren’t there (i.e. trying a spin move and driving the lane like he’s a guard)
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by vfettke on Dec 3, 2010 12:54 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
That leaves Reke and Cousins, both of whom are probably the guilty parties. And I think this will continue to be an issue for them. They’re both young and both being presented as saviors of our franchise. Tyreke carried the entire burden of that last year. On top of that, I don’t think he was held accountable enough when he made mistakes. That’s not a good message to send. Tyreke hasn’t been handled as well as he should have, which is ridiculous.
This has been said in different ways in different threads, and there is a fine line between treating a potential superstar like he’s already there. In the case of Tyreke, I think a lot of savvy folks here acknowledge that he could have been handled better, that at times he needs to be reined in just a bit, both for his good and that of the team.
Some will take that that to the extreme with “What, you want to bench him?” and “He’s all we got” pablum. That’s too bad.
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I agree with your comment
(gasp!)
But your sig line is an in-your-face swipe at people you are pretending to want a rational conversation with. Somewhat “elementary school” yourself.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 3, 2010 7:39 AM PST up reply actions
Or, to paraphrase -
“Not new here and there is New Era Kings believes he has the only opinion that matters, and he feels that his opinions are the only correct ones. … Go against him and have an opinion different than him and he comes out swinging trying to dismantle you and your opinions… and not in a mature debate fashion either, like elementary school.”
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by section214 on Dec 3, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Give him a break
He found a friend, now he’s riding him like Secretariat.
Some will take that that to the extreme with "What, you want to bench him?"
NEK, you flat out stated that the Kings were a better team without Evans not too long ago. Now you’ve toned it down to pretend your being falsely attacked.
Standard…operating….procedure.
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As usual, you're wrong
NEK, you flat out stated that the Kings were a better team without Evans not too long ago.
I said they often were a better team and to ride those streaks when he’s not in the game and the team is playing well.
But you are a moron, flat out.
"Not new here and there is a core that believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones. ... Go against the grain and have an opinion different than the rest of the good ole boy club and they come out swinging trying to dismantle you and your opinions… and not in a mature debate fashion either, like elementary school."
I gave up hope of reading rational conversations here long ago
with the “core” the poster I quoted alluded to. But there are plenty of intelligent fans beyond that group.
"Not new here and there is a core that believes they have the only opinion that matters, and they feel that their opinions are the only correct ones. ... Go against the grain and have an opinion different than the rest of the good ole boy club and they come out swinging trying to dismantle you and your opinions… and not in a mature debate fashion either, like elementary school."
Tyreke hasn’t been handled as well as he should have, which is ridiculous.
Not just ridiculous but absolutely baffling.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
It really is
because from what I’ve gathered about the guy, and Team Tyreke, is that he’d have no problem with criticism. He’s not the type to rebel against it or get angry about it.
"What the fuck did I do?" - McNulty
Well I can very well see criticism pissing Tyreke off and I can also see his head getting a little too big (particularly the heads of the people around him)
At the same time though, although maybe young and maybe not realizing the big picture but I have a very very hard time seeing him disrespect people who have shown they are in his corner and want to help him out.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 3, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
er
when I say criticism pissing him off I actually meant media criticism
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 3, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions

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