Post-Game Thread: Kings at Hornets
by Aykis16 on Dec 15, 2010 7:36 PM PST
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Jermaine Taylor is the worst thing to ever happen to this team.
Nay, to the universe.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 15, 2010 7:39 PM PST reply actions
The sooner he gets in and takes Heads minutes, the better.
by VenomySnicket on Dec 15, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
The momentum carried through halftime for the first time in weeks, and as soon as Head came in the game, it was lost.
About midway through the 3rd.
by VenomySnicket on Dec 15, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
Head didn't come in mid 3rd.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
He was in right as the game slowed up. I thought it was around 5 minutes left in the 3rd.
by VenomySnicket on Dec 15, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
No no.
It was in the 4th qtr. He came in for Pooh. I disagreed with that then and I disagree with it now.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Head played in the 1st, 2nd & 4th
He came in for Beno in the 1st we were up by 6 and we were up by 6 when he left.
In the 2nd he came in for Jeter and we were up by 8 and when he left we were up by 12.
In the 3rd he didn’t play, but he started the 4th and we were up 8. He missed both his FGA’s and when he left at the 8 minute mark for Casspi we were up by 4. So, I have him with a +/- of 0, but the box score has him at +1. Certainly, his stat line looks poor but that doesn’t show his defensive contributions.
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Good loss for the video room I think
I can live with this one.
Sure, while I was watching I wanted to gouge my eyes out at some of the stupid crap happening on the floor but this one is a video room select game.
DMC can learn a lot just from watching footage of this one.
I'm gonna start drinking Bacardi 151 shots immediately.
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
Time to get faded...
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
I had hopes that I wasn't going to have to drink tonight, so I held out
until the Kings made me all Eeyore like.
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
It's remarkable
How the Kings blew their 23 point lead. The execution down the stretch was beyond awful. CP3 breaks the Kings down for a wide open layup and the Kings just keep fouling stupidly especially Jason Thompson, luckily West missed both.
Children, before you go to sleep check under your bed for the BOOGIE MAN!!
I say at the end of each loss for the next 4 games
we kill the King’s worst player…that will get rid of some of the crap and provide a lot of motivation for those still alive.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
by ElRonToro on Dec 15, 2010 7:41 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Off with (his) head
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
That would be a perfect motivation tool.
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
I thought this was going to be a blowout win for the Hornets
The Kings big lead at the half was shocking, but it seems like they regressed to the mean and ended up in a with quality loss.
What does anyone expect with a bunch of young guys who in games past have shown no real semblance of an offense for a full 48 minutes?
The FairWeather Channel - Sports Comics and Bandwagon Forecast
To show a semblance of a veteran savvy offense immediately.
You asked. Don’t be pissed off because that’s the answer. LOL
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
i say we do the Dan Gilbert thing
and write an open letter to the Kings saying they need to play the WHOLE forty-fucking-eight minutes.
gaaahhhhhhwwwddd
Look, I know all this losing is frustrating for everybody, but isn't the team we're trying to model ourselves after the Oklahoma City Thunder?
Anyone remember the 2008-2009 Thunder? You know the ones that had Kevin Durant and Jeff Green in their second years with this rookie named Russel Westbrook? The same one that started the season 3-29 and had all the analysts debating whether they were going to be the worst team ever? Those kids turned out ok. Give us some time, we’ll figure things out.
by glazier_25 on Dec 15, 2010 7:43 PM PST reply actions 10 recs
You know what.
You helped me feel much better. Great dang point.
Scot Pollard for President
by ThePrince on Dec 15, 2010 7:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Thank You Glazier.
I’m glad someone else said it.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Here's the difference...
Who are you comparing on the Kings to Kevin Durant?
by M. Thai on Dec 15, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Brittney Griner?
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
It's not about what team
we are trying to “model”. It’s about improving from last season. For me the frustration isn’t with the losing. It’s with how we are losing and the lack of progress or any semblance of structure. We don’t know who is gonna start. We don’t know who is the 6th man. We don’t know who’s gonna be in there in crunch time. What is the plan? What is the philosophy?? Answer me Geoff!!!!!!
Look up some of those Thunder losses.
Most of them were blowouts, and the key reasons for losing: Lack of cohesion and an apparent lack of effort. Sound familiar?
And a lack of cohesion and apparent lack of system.
A big part of the Thunders issue’s under Carleismo was that Durant was playing out of position. Brooks probably did more X&O’s and stuff like that, but he was destined to lose games that season because his guys were so far behind the curve.
Under Brooks progress Westbrook really started to blossom.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think Carleismo was fired because of Durant and the lack of progress players were showing.
But Brooks lost a lot of games that season too. The Thunder were something like 1-18 when Carleismo was fired. After a 20-62 season. It was time Carleismo had to go. There were a lot of things that didn’t make sense in that way.
With PW? It’s not the same issue IMO.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I can't see why people are complaining
This was a competitive loss that got away because of youth. Its a good learning experience.
Can’t even fault the coaching in this one, beyond the stupidity of playing Head over Cisco.
cant believe they didnt play cisco
i mean seroiusly, head?
the dude who pump fakes when theres no one around.
Fair points
But losing a 23 point lead over the span of one and a half quarters was pretty bad.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 15, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Believe I know
Its just the price you pay for youth. Take solace in the fact that next year we will be winning games like this with a more experienced DMC and Tyreke.
I just hope I never see Omri throw up a layup that goes straight up again....
….OR see DMC travel THREE times in the 4th qtr alone. It was how it ended with the Kings looking like High School kids against a probably low seed playoff team in the West. That was frustrating.
But, the flip side to this is that young teams go through this. I think a veteran is needed to shake things up. Sacrifice some of the youth.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
i agree with you on that last line. who would you let go?
by Gold Miner 916 on Dec 15, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
Donte JT Omri Carl Landry Sammy Dalembert or anybody that isn't Tyreke or DMC.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I started watching the game with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter...
And all I saw was the team losing a 5 point lead and doing some sad stuff, like letting an opposing guard get two offensive rebounds, Kings players standing around as Chirs Paul drives uncontested, Demarcus and Tyreke getting stuffed at the rim, Tyreke having a wide open three but holding the ball till the defender was in his face before shooting, and watching Demarcus try to dribble drive from the perimeter.
Seeing that that’s all I got to see of the game, I may have prematurely gotten riled up, but damn, that’s a pretty bad way to end the game
One day (hopefully soon) these guys will learn it takes 48 minutes to get win
Frustrating night so I’ll stay out of the way. Hope they keep growing because that team in the good moments is the good future
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
by edm7 on Dec 15, 2010 7:45 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I just posted this in the game thread, turns out everyone left lol
The Kings have showed great stuff, but nowhere near consistently. The first half today was better than any ball I remember being played last season- what we got then was endearingly poor play from a squad with no expectations. What we’ve had so far this season is occasional great play that distressingly highlights the awful, which unfortunately is far more common. To say that they’ve "only gotten worse by leaps and bounds" isn’t accurate, it’s that the glimpses of their capability make the unacceptable stuff even more so.
It's a learning process.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Who is a perfect product at 20-24 years old?
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I agree with you. I was adding my .02$.
Sorry that wasn’t clear.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Because Jermaine "The Messiah" Taylor isn't available yet.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 15, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
Jermessiah?
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
Nice
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 16, 2010 6:09 AM PST up reply actions
Well for one.
good for you for not watching the game. i wish i did the same.
Funny, I'm not that upset about the loss
Moreso, I feel bad for the guys on the team – can’t be much fun in that locker room right now.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Did you watch the game?
I have a feeling people who didn’t watch the game will feel a lot less crappy about the loss
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I watched all of the bad stuff.
I don’t feel bad at all. At some point something is going to change with these guys. I’m interested to see when it is.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You missed out on the good stuff then
That to me is the most frustrating part, seeing this team play amazing, and then playing terribly the rest of the game.
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It is frustrating I don't doubt.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
But I knew the team was also up 23 when I started watching.
I’ve seen the team play well and lose before. Again, I’m interested to see how this team responds.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
you doubted me when I said it
but then I’m not a regular… I keed!
I know who you is.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I watch almost all of it
I actually missed most of the good parts. But you know me, I don’t really count when it comes to this
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
by edm7 on Dec 15, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd Eddie.
I definitely shrug at the losses and hope the wins promise something greater. I don’t want it driving me crazy. I’m a fan; not the head coach or a player.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Listened to the first half on the radio
Watched most of the second half. Thing is, I like the personalities on the roster, so I feel bad that they have to go through this.
Or hell, maybe I’m just numb at this point.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
What good is Irving
if we’ll just end up signing a horrible jobless vet to take his minutes?
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Dec 15, 2010 7:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You are frustrated yes?
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
LOL
True, but I think Westphal has proven that the one thing he values more than horrible vets is prized rookies.
LOL
Yep.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Saw the game, just saw youth get out executed
Nothing really new here, the NBA is a veteran’s league, and we’re fielding a team of 22/23 year olds.
Think about this. Our lineup at the end of the game:
Beno (28)
Tyreke (21)
Casspi (22)
JT (23)
Cousins (20)
Thats a lineup I could see us fielding in the playoffs in three years.
Replace Beno with Kyrie Irving
"I’d insult you, but the sad truth is that you wouldn’t understand and if I tried to explain it to you, your brain might implode from information overload."
As a Casspi fan,
I thought he sucked tonight.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
Nice perspective
I made this point in another thread. The one thing you can’t complaint about concerning PW is that he’s not playing the young guys especially in crunch time. Just like he did in the final play of the Mav’s game, when he ran the play using DeMarcus and Tyreke.
Their inexperience might be hurting us now, by all the PT their getting is going to play dividends later.
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I really feel bad for Cuz.
He’s like a teenager having his first few experiences bedding a lady. He means well and he’s doing what he thinks he’s supposed to be doing, but he’s kind of just making a mess of things.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 15, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
and if it doesn't work
he blames the lady
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
89 86 Suns over the Wolves.
in the 3rd qtr.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Wes Johnson has 10 pts and 3 assists.
Kevin Love has 8 FT’s (plus 10 boards but that’s not unusual).
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm out.
I can’t think about this team right now. See you guys tomorrow.
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Call of Duty?
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 15, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
Neither for me, unfortunately
Just thought maybe that would be Aykis’ diversion of choice. It certainly would be mine if I had the means.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 15, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
Aww man
well to make you feel better im letting my frustrations out on a bunch of Pokemons lol
Suprisingly, that does not make me feel even the littlest bit better.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 15, 2010 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe that should be a new StR practice, though.
After a tough loss, we quickly move by the dozens over to blast the shit out of each other in Call of Duty.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 15, 2010 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
Can I take a walk instead?
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Not until the postgame thread dies down
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 15, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Too late.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Take it easy.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Ginobli with a buzzer beater
to beat the bucks
Sometimes i think to myself, "why do i root for this team?" then i read the comments about the team by the "fans" and i realize, i root for the team because i add some intelligence to the fan base.
And he didn't even celebrate
I want that feeling LOL
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
The Celtics celebrated
Thats just the Spurs mentality
i could understand if TIm Duncan had hit the GW
never seen the guy be excited about anything
Sometimes i think to myself, "why do i root for this team?" then i read the comments about the team by the "fans" and i realize, i root for the team because i add some intelligence to the fan base.
That 3 against the Suns a couple years back
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
The happiest I've ever seen the dude
even when winning championships. The one time he tried something he didn’t think would make and it made. Instant elation.
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The crappy thing is that it seems like something that is a pretty deeply set habit for him right now.
He’s probably been making these same moves his whole career and it never got called in HS or college. I’m not optimistic that he can fix it very easily, but hopefully I’m wrong. I do think that Cuz is a much more cerebral player than he currently gets credit for, so maybe he’ll be able to figure it out sooner rather than later.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 15, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
I love that Cuz is cerebral.
It’s one of the things that makes me like him. Because much of his game I’m not nearly as fond of. But because he has that mind, I believe he can truly get better. He’s worth the effort to help and improve as a player. Once he does, the Kings will be monsters.
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That's what really got me on his side
DMC ain’t no fool. That’s what’s so exciting about him. He’s got the body to dominate. He’s got the skills. I believe he’s got the mind to develop into a complete player. Time will prove me right or wrong, but I’m pretty damn juiced to have him on my team.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 15, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
He's quite the quality consolation prize.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think he'll get over it pretty quickly.
He’s a kid that takes losses personally, and after being a big part of our loss with one of those travels, I think tonight will be a sort of wake-up call for him. It will be a few games, maybe even the next half of the season, but he’ll put a stop to it.
Cousins is a fast learner
He’ll get it right. His defense is coming along, he’s in foul trouble much less often than the early year, and he’s starting to be more patient in the post.
We’re going to have to live with brain fart games for now.
Cuz's defense has me encouraged he can be a quality defender in this league.
Particularly the way he played Blake Griffin in the non-blowout loss to the Clippers.
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Now that I don't agree with quite as much.
I think his defensive ceiling is a big man version of Derek Fisher. Still good and can take a charge at a big moment, but he’ll never be that great. And even Fisher is a bit of a stretch, as I think Fisher is a pretty good defensive player. It will be a few years if/when Cousins gets to that level.
You're basing this off his rookie year?
I think a good model for Cousins defensively is Andrew Bogut. Where was Bogut defensively in his rookie year?
Bogut has more hops than Cousins for sure
But there is more to defense than just jumping around and blocking shots. Bogut is a smart as hell defender who uses his length and quick feet to bother anyone in the lane. He takes a lot of charges too.
If Cousins really tries he can be that kind of defender I think.
If Cuz has Bogut's defensive ability...
…and Gasol’s offensive ability…..all I’m gonna say is WOW!
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Perhaps
He is another Chris Kaman, talented scorer, decent rebounder and shot blocker
by MichaelMack on Dec 16, 2010 9:57 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'd take that.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I totally agree that he's a fast learner
I just think it will be a really challenging thing to learn, regardless (or unlearn, really).
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 15, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
I'd feel better if he were getting the ball in the blocks instead of at the wing.
Maybe he would be getting those traveling calls if he didn’t have to drive 18 ft to the basket.
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un-be-FUCKING-lee-ba-ble
to lose that game!!!! 34 points in the second half!!! 14 points in the 4th quarter!!!!
PW had look of defeat in his eyes with 9 minutes left in the game. This guy is not a winner. He has the look of a defeated man with no answers and no passion. He’s like an crippled thoroughbred who needs to be taken out to pasture and shot.
The Hornets were ripe to be run off the floor in the 3rd quarter but Donte Greene and Jason Thompson were the X-Mas spirit of giving, so played like two sorry ass D-Leaguers and let the Hornets waltz back into the game. I thought Landry, who I would have started 3rd quarter, and Omri belonged on the court much sooner but by the time they entered the momentum was all NOH.
And I want to know how incompetent and inept our coaching staff can be not to make a mix tape of DeMarcus Cousins infinite traveling violations, and say “Look buddy, my man, two steps before the ball its the floor is not allowed!!!”
There’s no excuse to lose this game. I think we should make Bobby Jackson new interim head coach. Or even Jerry Reynolds! With new lead assistant Coach Carrill. Fire PW, Ellie, Esien and Truck Robinson. 4 pink slips for the holidays.
This season is a fucking joke and its time for heads need to roll.
I predict JT puts up 7 and 5 this year - Aug '10. (Current: 6.0 Pts 5 Rebs)
by bench_blob on Dec 15, 2010 7:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Let's start with just one Head rolling
then we’ll figure out our next move
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
reply fail to B_B
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Have a good night kiddies.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Pookey keepping the sanity
That’s when you know we’re crazy
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by edm7 on Dec 15, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Funny how some in here will be elated after a 5 game winning streak..
…and wondering when the Kings will win titles. It’s amazing how many fans always expect more. If the Kings ever win titles, there will be some who simply expect the Kings to win a title every year.
That’s how fans always are.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It's also amazing how there are some Kings fans who actually look back on the Webber days as a disappointment because heaven forbid we didn't win a championship
I’ve run into that a few times and have been so perplexed by it.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 16, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
Kings fans have generally perplexed me.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It reminds me of what happened with Braves fans after they went on that insane winning streak in the 90s.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 16, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Some similarities to that.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
at the same time though a mix of obsessed East Coast crazy sports guy is thrown in there too.
You know, the guy who demands winning every year and freaks out over everything
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 16, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah there is some of this as well.
Although I don’t think it’s all the East Coast mentality. It’s most fans outside of LA that are like that.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Hell even LA is like that.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
See ya pookey
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
I never ever thought I'd say this but.......
I HATE HEAD!
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Dec 15, 2010 8:02 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I didn't like him even when everyone else was loving him
I just didn’t see what people liked
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 15, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
His three game defensive stretch.
There was a three game stretch where his defense looked absolutely phenomenal. Typically we’d all have just suggested that the opposite player was having an off night, but it happened in three games in a row and that, I think, threw everyone for a loop.
It’s hard to admit it, but I’ll admit that Head had me going there with that fluke defensive prowess.
Anyone else feel like if Evans wont allow himself to sit
only let him play in the first half? He plays great (sometimes) in the first half, then just stands around and has no ambition in the second. If he doesn’t care about winning then why is he insisting on staying in the game? HEAL YOURSELF!
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 15, 2010 8:07 PM PST reply actions
We kinda have a luther head bandwagon going on
whenever he does good, we praise him
whenever he plays bad, words cant explain our anger
lmao kinda funny
Has he ever really played well though?
Enough to deserve praise?
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Dec 15, 2010 8:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No
but it was given to him anyways
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 15, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
It got to a point
Where we’re just a little more happy about Pooh, than getting Head on a nightly basis.
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by Hit4TheCycle on Dec 15, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
+ -
I think the kings are -500 when I watch. So my Hollinger PER must be -2.9.
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by want2win on Dec 15, 2010 8:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions
+ -
I think the kings are -500 when I watch. So my Hollinger PER must be -2.9.
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by want2win on Dec 15, 2010 8:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Momentum Shift
I let out an “ahh shit!!” in front of my 3 year old the moment PW caved in and adjusted the lineup in reaction to NO’s 3 guard set. He replaced Greene with Head I knew it was all down hill from there. Greene had just committed an offensive foul trying to post up a smaller guard, which I don’t have a problem with. Why not got back to that advantage and make it work. I am sick of PW’s knee jerk reactions to other lineups when our own has its advantages. I would have liked to see Greene vs Thornton matchup a little more….both defensively and offensively. I’m not a big fan of Greene but look at his +-. Just stick with a lineup PW. Shifting to that 3 guard lineup with Tyreke, Beno and Head was a major mistake in my opinion. Scotch on the rocks please….
It wasn't just shifting the lineup
But he left Head in for an unbearably long time.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Give me one game this season
Just one where Westphal wasn’t outcoached. He gets outcoached on a nightly basis.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Dec 15, 2010 9:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
To be fair, things went pear-shaped way before Head came in.
Luther was all kinds of fail while he was in, to my eyes, but I don’t think it’s fair to point to that one moment and say that’s when PW lost the game for us. “2nd Half ’Reke” and DeMarcus “Two-step Boogie” Cousins probably had more to do with the loss than anyone else. But I still love those guys.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 16, 2010 6:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah but that doesn't fit the preconceived narrative
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 16, 2010 8:08 AM PST up reply actions
You mean Tyreke & DeMarcus didn't play up to their talent level?
Shocking. Fire Paul Westphal.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
DMCs turnovers cost us the chance to come back
But you can’t blame him for the collapse. He actually played a pretty decent game. I don’t think the Head substitution was the turning point either, I think the real problem is inexperience. The Kings lack poise, and they didn’t have the killer mentality to just go out there and finish the opponent off. They let up, and let the Hornets zone defense completely stop the ball movement. When Grant said toward the end of the 3rd “if the Kings can end the quarter up double-digits I think they’ll have weathered the storm” I was thinking “NO NO NO! Goddamn I hope the team doesn’t think that!”
I’ll say it again: Chris Paul made as many free throws as our whole team attempted (and we only hit 57%.) That is a huge problem.
kings look good
WHEN they lose to the hornets, every other team beats the kings by 25.
greene should not start at SF
casspi is the best shooter we have and at least has some heart. cousins and casspi aren’t used to losing yet. the other guys are.
So...
Its good to be used to losing?
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 15, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
hmmm
PW should start the whole bench for the next game. so the starters can see firsthand how bad it looks to viewers to see the kings get smashed every night.
Do you even know which players are bench players?
Westphal has started practically every player on the team.
Didn't the starters play really well last night for most of the game?
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 16, 2010 6:17 AM PST up reply actions
We held onto our lead until 3/4 of the way through the 3rd this time.
Just think: at this rate, we’ll be able to win a game on 48 minutes of solid play by Christmas. Woo!!
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
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by PurpleLoco on Dec 15, 2010 8:28 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Are you an eternal optimist Loco?
Or just hopeful?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Eternal optimist.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
win again this year?
i dont know, maybe not until late january.
Having been a Kings fan for 20+ years
I am having a hard time recalling a worse collapse than I witnessed tonight. Now I know how Bulls fans must have felt last year. The thought of having to put up with much more of this makes me gag.
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here we go
rest evans until he heals, start poohphooh PG, green SG,casspi, WHITESIDE (call him up for D league) and cousins, just let them all go wild, when evans comes back maybe we’ll win 1 or 2 more games this year. i want to see what whiteside can do. PLAY HIM. why not, give him 35+ minutes. no reason not too.
I agree, Whiteside should at least play
He’s averaging 11.7 blocks per 48 minutes (leads D-League by large margin). On Saturday, he played 28 minutes and had EIGHT blocks & was +21 when he was on the floor. The team was -25 when he was on the bench.
Problem is it takes him 4 games to get 48 minutes
because of fouls. I can’t wait for Whiteside to be ready for the NBA, but thats not now. I think JT is doing a pretty good job starting. It sure will be nice when we have 6’11 DMC and 7’ Whiteside in there though.
good
its good to be used to losing if you’re a kings fan. if i played and my team lost like that i wouldn’t talk to or shake ANYBODys hand. forget that, the ones that walk over and congragulate the other team for the beatdown are saying thank you for whipping my ass.
Psst...
…use the reply button. ;)
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There is a REPLY button.
You should hit reply to reply to a post instead of posting a new post. It helps keep the discussions in line.
cool
like seeing casspi and beno arguing, and cousins getting pissed. shows who gives a shit.
The sadness, it fills me
That was a tough one. Goin to drink some hot tea, read, and chill out by the Christmas tree. Hope the next one wll be better. Go Kings!
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
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dont worry at least the kings are better than the clippers ahahahaha…. oh wait. nevermind
by manassamauler on Dec 15, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
The clippers have Blake Griffin
and some fairly solid vets. They are better than us now no question
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 16, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
When you play not to lose
It’s really hard to win in this league.
"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."
Understood the second part, but the first part isn't making sense to me.
Maybe it’s the headache, but could you rephrase that please?
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
When you have a team down
You have to keep the foot on the accelerator. Play to win with confidence. Don’t play to protect a lead. Play to extend the lead. Play the same way in the second half that you play in the first half – balls out.
"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."
by NewEraKings on Dec 15, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't agree with you on some things (lot of things actually)
But I definitely agree with this. This has been a trademark of the Kings since Westphal has taken over too: Trying too hard to protect a lead once they have it. I remember last year especially the game against Utah (1st after Kevin’s injury) that we won, we got a huge lead, then basically tried to dribble out the 24 second clock for rest of game and Utah almost came back because of it.
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Then by the time we try to go back to it
We’ve lost all momentum.
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I think Westphal tries to have it both ways
Because the team always plays against the clock instead of the opponent at the end of a close game, and we usually get crappy shots because of it. Then, after the game, he bemoans the fact that we didn’t play down the stretch like we did in building the lead.
"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."
I've calmed down a bit three hours after the fact
Still pissed.
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Ah. Thanks, and I agree.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
I agree that this team takes it's foot off the accelerator.
I’m not sure whether that has anything to do with PW.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am not a coach basher, But honestly I dont think I’ve ever seen a coach put in and pull out players like westphal. Cisco shot the ball better than most last night and couldn’t get on the floor tonight. The players can’t enjoy playing for a coach like that, thees no way. You can score 15 points one night then get 4 straight dnp’s while you sit there and watch the worst player in the league Luther head play in the 4th. Can you honestly tell me Luther head is better than Marcus Landry NO FUCKING WAY. I dont get it.
I thought Head used to make baskets a few yrs ago with Houston
he is the worst guard with the Kings I have seen get playing time in a long while
I was a Westphal fan when he was hired - but not so much anymore.
When Westy was hired, I thought, “A calm, cool, collected and experienced coach for the young crew he had to mold into a team.” Now, when I see Westy 1 1/4 seasons later, I have to blame him for some of our loses. He does overreact, but that’s cause his players aren’t reliable. The players can’t get into a groove cause Westy is too quick to change the rotation. And the cycle never ends. I understand Cuz’s traveling problem, but I think he can be taught to not travel. I think JT has gotten better at not fouling out, but he could get better. Pooh is a great spark and needs to play more, but Reke and Beno do work well together.
So what’s the thread running through all of this? Coaching. Westphal is not a great coach. He’s ok, but that’s not good enough. Westphal has settled down with the varying rotations, but he does sub in players who do not fit the situation, i.e., Luther F-ING Head instead of Garcia??? Leaving Pooh in when he was getting owned by Paul is wrong. That’s where Garcia could have helped (hopefully). Not putting Pooh in earlier in Quarters and resting Reke is wrong. Pooh kicks the pace in the ass and causes all kinds of trouble for other teams. He’s a mismatch in the opposite way Reke is – He’s small and fast, (and experienced if playing overseas counts), whereas Reke is a linebacker in a NBA uniform.
So why keep Westy? Because he can grow with the team. Because the rookies will get better and make his job easier. Because he is philosophical enough to not let the loses mean too much for a team with an average age of 21.
So, we keep Westy, we teach Cuz to not travel, we put Pooh in more and Casspi with him cause he likes to run, and we all take a breath and realize it’s going to be an ugly year BECAUSE THE TEAM HAS TALENT, BUT DOESN’T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT!! If they were all talentless, we could just live with the loses.
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by Record_on_SUV on Dec 15, 2010 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly my thoughts
Where would we be with Kurt Rambis or any of the other people we were interested in before hiring Westphal? A whole lot worse off I think. I hate to beat a dead horse, but every time I see the Maloofs on TV it makes we want to kick them in the crotch for forcing Adelman out.
The main thing I hate about PW is his infatuation with players who really shouldn’t be playing as much as they have been (read: Luther Head) Can anyone explain Cisco’s DNP-CD last night? Head had no points 1 board and 1 assist in 9 minutes. and Cisco didn’t play at all. wtf?
Only way the DNP can really be explained
is PW gave Beno and Tyreke a ton of minutes and essentially only had 20 minutes left for the other three guards. Head and Garcia both played alright against the Rockets and there really were only 20 minutes available between Head, Garcia, and Pooh so it seems he went with Head thinking it was a better match up I suppose (Maybe I am biased but it seems like Garcia gets killed at the SF position so I can understand avoiding playing him there). Personally I would have preferred to keep Pooh in or do something else but what do I know.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 16, 2010 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think a case can be made for Head over Garcia
I don’t care if Garcia played 48 minutes the night before, if you’re only going to play one of them and only for 9 minutes, put Cisco in.
uh Garcia got torched by Budinger the night before?
Darn it, playing devil’s advocate with Luther Head is frickin hard!
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 16, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Breaking news
Kings just signed Mikki Moore and Mateen Cleaves, They are both starting against OKC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ease up on the hyperbole
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 15, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
just because it warrants mentioning once doesn't mean it doesn't warrant mentioning again
although if it is really funny I’d rec it.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 15, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
You always reply fail.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 16, 2010 6:22 AM PST up reply actions
:(
I watch the first half while getting ready for work, Kings up going to the half time, time to go to work, I’m all happy and excited and can’t wait to get home and see just how much the Kings won by….
Get out of work, get on STR and loudly just say “OMFG”
Thus is the life of a Kings fan.
I need a drink.
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Leela -" Man, I'm sore all over. I feel like I just went ten rounds with mighty Thor"
Fry - "I feel like I was mauled by Jesus. "
Homer - " When I held that gun in my hand, I felt a surge of power…like God must feel when he’s holding a gun."
Tobias - "Where the f*** are my hard-boiled eggs?!?"
Are you Kidding me?
As i was leaving for work the kings were up 23 just to find out later they LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who the hell is Jermaine Taylor??? I’m really staring to question if this organization commitment to winning or just being a sparring partner te every #$!#% NBA team even the bad ones.
It's actually been indisputably proven that trading for Jermaine Taylor shows that this organization has no commitment to winning.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 16, 2010 6:25 AM PST up reply actions
Interesting ... so how does Jermaine Taylor fit into this?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 16, 2010 8:07 AM PST up reply actions
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