Post-Game Thread: Kings at Thunder
by Aykis16 on Dec 17, 2010 7:33 PM PST
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I'm ok with this loss
DeMarcus showed off a lot of his potential tonight, Tyreke had another solid first half, but a bad 2nd half again. He still puts up 20-5-5 up with ease even when he’s not playing well it seems.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 17, 2010 7:35 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe 'Reke should be on a treadmill throughout the entire halftime break to keep from stiffening up.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 17, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
Amazing the discrepency
for anyone not sure if he should sit more. His first v second halves is proof. Ugh.
yep
“I’m ok with this loss” this is the kings motto. we’ve all gottne used to losing and now the goal is for the team to “look good” while losing. nobody cares or thinks the kings can win an nba game. doesnt look good.
by manassamauler on Dec 18, 2010 8:06 AM PST up reply actions
The 3 spot didn't produce much
but Durant had only an OK game for him. 24 points, only 7 made shots (shot 15) but most points at the FT line. Collison hurt us more I thought
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
I think you're right about Collison
"You can have the knowledge that a tomato is a fruit, but it takes wisdom not to put it in a fruit salad." Jerry Reynolds
A few years back, I worked at Vlade's nightclub in Old Sac
One night, the Sonics played the Warriors in Oakland, Mateen Cleaves was on the Sonics at the time, and for whatever reason he brought several of the Sonics players and some of the Warriors players to Vlade’s place that night after the game. During the game, Jason Richardson (on the Warriors at the time) obliterated Nick Collison with a dunk all over his face. It was probably the top sports highlight of the night and they kept showing it over and over and over again on ESPN every few minutes or so, and I was standing right next to J-Rich while we all watched the highlight replay throughout the night, while Collison sat at the bar a few feet away, drinking and trying not to watch it himself. It was really weird. I always think of that night whenever I see Nick Collison, and I smile.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 17, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Ha, probably was, thanks.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 17, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps time to update the 'ol Fail Meter?
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 17, 2010 7:39 PM PST reply actions
Ha
Nice.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 17, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
I missed the enitre second half, which seems like I should probably be okay with that.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 17, 2010 7:39 PM PST reply actions
Straight off the bat Cousins stroked an open jumper.
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Clearly he's reading the StR game thread during the half, as he should be.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 17, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
Looking at the box score, it was kind of a strange game.
We didn’t really seem to get dominated in any one particular aspect of the game, just fairly solidly beat at everything. I guess they’re just a better team.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 17, 2010 7:40 PM PST reply actions
That's what I thought happen
Pretty much we got beaten by the better team. If we wanted the W, we needed to play a perfect game and it didn’t happen. Much better all around game though in terms of playing all 4th quarters
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
If Portland had selected Durant instead of Oden
would OKC be what it is today?
Sometimes, you just need a boatload of luck. And that’s what we need in getting that one guy who’ll make this team better.
This.
You can't see the jersey...
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 17, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 16 recs
Ok
1 – You are exactly the type of jerk who makes America weak. You sir are a monster and a cancer and should be ashamed of yourself. I’m not even sure how you look t yourself in the mirror every morning.
2 – I rec’d this immediately and could not stop laughing. I just pray there is no such ting as karma. Great work.
It's so tempting to dive head first into the draft prospects right now, to have something to be really excited about
but I just can’t do it without instantly regretting it. Like cartoon porn.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 17, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
regardless of whether they selected Oden instead of Durant
I do like how they have run their franchise. Well, except for the whole “screwing over an idea city” part.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 18, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
DMC had a good game tonight.
looking forward to more solid double doubles like that, 19 and 16 plus 3 dimes a block and a steal. He almost got his shooting percentage up to 50 tonight.
Hey, we didn’t have any quarters where we only scored in the teens tonight… baby steps… or something.
If I remember correctly, all of Cuz's assists were in the first half, and I think most of his TOs were in the second half.
So if he’d have kept his ballhandling/playmaking going the whole game, he would’ve really had a special line tonight.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 17, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
Fatigue definitely played a factor
especially with his fouls. 5 fouls in the 2nd half.
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Yep
Previous two games where he played 30+ minutes were against New York and Dallas, both double-doubles too.
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Nah
He seems to be playing more in control, overall, with each passing game. He’s still making a lot of mistakes, but probably less than you would normally expect from a rookie his age with his high of a usage.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 17, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
I think he's improved noticeably
Still not where he wants or has to be, but very good for a rookie
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Unfortunately the points and rebounds are somewhat offset by the TOs and fouls
I would agree his progress is good for a rookie. Conditioning is an issue that can be fixed.
No I think what kman meant to say was that Cousins makes more mistakes as the game wears on
And Cousins piles on minutes. Its just fatigue.
Maybe. Or maybe he just loses his composure a little bit when things tighten up and the end of the game is coming on.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 17, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
as i said in the game thread though...
he needs to get slapped upside his head for not getting the ball to one of his guards on that break where he fouled out.
Saw that charge coming as soon as he crossed halfcourt with the ball.
Did the same last game
Almost turned it over. I think he did it earlier in the game also
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
On the subject of DeMarcus...
Everyone see Sam Amick’s article today?
DeMarcus Cousins’ Reputation Precedes Him, Deceives you. A day in the holiday season life
Loved it.
I fanshot(ed) it earlier
Can’t say enough of how good of a read it is
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Had it open in a different tab, didn't take a look yet.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 17, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
It is a very good read.
I don’t see how any Kings fan could not be thrilled to have Boogie on our team.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 17, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
Once he grows up a bit
He’s the kind of guy you want having your back and going to battle with. He needs to mature a little first, just like any other 21 year old.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Honestly though, it's kind of amazing that this game wasn't more of a blowout, considering how many of our guys had really bad games.
Cuz, ’Reke, Beno, and sort of JT all did enough to keep things reasonable.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 17, 2010 7:43 PM PST reply actions
Did they just shoot the three bad
Or did we defend the three well?
The dead zone
We just can’t seem to play an entire game without slipping in to this zone for periods of time. And by dead zone I mean stretches where we just play dumb/poor basketball, usually by turnovers and poor shot selection. It’s really maddening because we can play good ball outside the zone. sigh
Atta boys: DMC, Beno, 1st half Tyreke
I know a lot of people don't want to hear this
but isn’t the “dead zone” you speak of almost inevitable with a team this young and with so little experience together?
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 17, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Agree
If we didn’t make dumb, young mistakes then we would win more games, so our record would be better. There’s no such thing as playing well every game and still being ‘bad.’ It doesn’t make sense
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Good for him
It’s nice to see him finally do something positive this season. 33% field goal percentage (3-12 tonight), one of the lowest PER’s in the league. Seems like a nice guy – maybe this will finally be the start of something nice for him.
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Well then...
He would have fit right in with this bunch
Demarcus had a nice game I thought
I thought we actually made a great effort to play well, but the silly turnovers and lack of production offensively from our 3 and 4 position hurt us bad I thought.
Really didn’t get beat by their 3 best players though, theIr secondary guys did out perfrom our bench guys.
by jstnblke41 on Dec 17, 2010 9:12 PM PST via mobile reply actions
So is it time to fire Westphal yet?
/ sarcazm
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by allbenji's on Dec 17, 2010 10:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
On Geico commercials it is.
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I understand that DMC had a nice game
but why is Dalembert playing so few minutes? I know his offense is a problem, but with the right set of players around him, shouldn’t he be out there a bit more?
Dunking Dutchman
DMC is the King's center of the future
and at this point in the season they are out of the playoff picture. So it makes sense to get DMC as much burn time as possible.
I understand that
but even so, if DMC played 33, shouldn’t Dalembert at least get the other 15, instead of 4 minutes?
Besides, we could use a veteran presence, certainly one that can help quarterback our defense in second halves were we barely can get points on the scoreboard.
And if Dalembert isn’t part of this team’s future, isn’t it better to showcase him a bit and trade him, instead of leaving him on the pine and making him not much more than an expensive sparring partner in practice?
Dunking Dutchman
I would agree
And our offense is stagnant enough without him. He probably would have played more if OK had a true big man, but that wasnt the case.
by MichaelMack on Dec 18, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Fronting The Post
Is it just me or do teams consistently front our post players? Where is the counter to that? I counted 3-4 possessions in a row in the OKC game where that happened and the Kings had to back up and take an outside shot.
What most teams do
is move the ball from side entry to the top of the key and lop it over the top. Watch next time and you will see. Thats the classic and best counter to a defender fronting the post, because it creates a better passing angle relative to the defender. For it to work the high post player has to make a good lob pass, and the low post player has to hold his position long enough. Our guys don’t do that so well. Cuz and Tyreke should be able to make it work eventually though with a third player involved.
Agreed 100%
If you think back to the “heyday” teams, they could all handle the ball. They were all capable of catching and passing. Our current squad has some issues in this department., as few of the players are adept at catching and distributing the ball in the same motion. Maybe it’s a confidence thing, a familiarity thing, a play set thing, or a combination of those things and more. But the good teams do it, and we don’t.
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I'm with you
I was so accustomed to seeing someone front, the wing move the ball to the top of the key for a quick dump over the top/into the lane for a layup or flush. It’s really frustrating to see the team stymied by the tactic time and time again. Same goes for when teams go zone against us. Confusion and/or indecision seems to prevail.
Question: is it coaching, inexperienced players, general unfamiliarity with one another or (likely) a combination of all three that is leading to this?
True,
In the New Orleans game the KIngs used some back picks on DeMarcus’s defender then had DMC rotate to the opposite side of the lane to receive the entry pass. It was a move that I hadn’t seen before, and looks promising.
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I am so tired of the KHTK peeps saying this is a young team and it's not PW's fault.
This team is 1 year older than the team we had last year and last years team was better. Yes, we added 1 rookie (DMC), but we also added a veteran (Sammy). This years team has obviously regressed. How is that not the fault of the coach? The fact of the matter is that PW has failed this team by his inability to decide on a starting rotation, his substitution patterns, and utter failure to get this team to play any sort or organized offense. Seriously, this team plays the same type of offense one would see in a pick-up game on the playground. Bad jump shot after bad jump shot.
Here's something to think about
A player’s prime year is usually around 27. The Kings have 1 guy at 20 years old (Cousins), 2 at 21 (Evans/Whiteside), 2 at 22 (Greene/Casspi), and one at 24 (JT). The other main rotation pieces are Beno (28), Carl (27), Cisco (29), Sammy (29). Pooh is a 27 year old rookie. So yes. They’re young. Even younger than last year’s team when you factor in that we lost Nocioni, Udoka, Martin, May, and Kenny Thomas.
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Yeah, but Kenny was like 210 in dog years, so that was really messing up our average last season.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 19, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
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