Landry: Our biggest trade asset since Artest
by TheJust on Dec 18, 2010 4:30 PM PST
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PrintI'm not confident about much when it comes to predicting player movement, but I feel strongly that Landry will be moved by the deadline. I also feel like he's the strongest trade asset we've had since Artest who brought us a couple nice pieces. I'll explain why after the jump, but the main purpose of this post is to see what readers of stronger mind than I believe is a realistic trade.
Let me briefly argue my position regarding Landry attracting teams making a playoff or championship push who need a little more offense, and why the Kings are surely to take advantage.
Contenders want him because:
• He's a proven potent offensive asset
• He's willing to accept any role
• He has an impeccable clubhouse reputation
• His salary is a steal (and the expiring part isn't a deterrent if the need is immediate.)
Kings want to move him because:
• High trade value
• Risk of losing him for nothing (Either by his choice or by the Kings deciding not to compete with other teams' potentially grandiose offers.)
So if you're still on board with me at this point, who do you think are realistic trade partners and what might we get? I'm not very good at this stuff and am genuinely interested in other folk's thoughts. I see a few championship contenders who could benefit hugely from a major bench scorer at PF (and for whom his rebounding and defensive weaknesses wouldn't be too debilitating) like Dallas, Orlando, or San Antonio. There are also a few teams pushing to reach the playoffs like Houston, but I'm not sure they'd give up as much to take a short term lease.
Have at it. I love Landry, but am excited about what moving him could bring the team.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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If Carl is really this good
Why don’t we just keep him…
On a roster full of square pegs
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Its no that cut and dry
Shadowchicken. Smills is on point, with our low post scorers i dont see the absolute need to. I like his game but at the same time if this nets us a decent PG like say Jameer Nelson, im allllll for it.
Im fuckin ready for some FOOTBALL!!!
I think that he has limited appeal
It can only be a team that is looking at him as a short term rental, an off the bench boost. I can only come up with three remotely possible options:
To Atlanta for Jeff Teague and either Josh Powell or Jason Collins. Atlanta only makes this deal if they feel that it can be a real difference maker this year.
To San Antonio for a 1st round pick. Remember, this will likely be a late, late 1st round pick.
To Houston for Jared Jeffries, cash and a future lottery protected 1st round pick. This deal gets Houston out of luxury tax land, and brings the prodigal son back home.
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Houston is the biggest possibility for Landry I think
They are not going to want to be in the tax this year. Landry for Jeffries takes them out of the tax I think.
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Plus, Morey is in Petrie's "Fav Five", so he doesn't use his minutes when they're working out trades.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 19, 2010 7:02 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Makes sense to me
I get the impression Carl may go there as a FA after the season, so they probably wouldn’t be motivated to give too much up.
I’m still thinking he’s a little more valuable than you’re giving him credit for, but maybe I’m being optimistic. I think that contenders are looking at the benches of Boston and LA and soon will be desperately seeking premiere bench scorers to keep up. He had a good shot at the 6th man award last year in Houston, so it seems he could really help put someone over the hump.
rec'd, +1, FTW, This.
A couple of additional thoughts upon review -
You would probably have to include next year’s 2nd round pick for Atlanta to even consider the deal, and San Antonio would have to determine that Landry > McDyess, since he would have to come back in trade.
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Well, I think that the field is very limited
I don’t think that anyone beyond the top 4-5 teams in each conference would view Landry as a big enough difference maker to make the deal. For example, Indy could use him, but it’s not going to help them enough to vault them into championship contention, so why make the deal for a rental player?
So, take a look at the top teams in the East. Boston already has Glen Davis, Miami does not have the trade pieces, Chicago has Boozer, so Landry’s minutes would be limited, Orlando has Bass/Hedo/Ryan Anderson, but Atlanta could use him.
In the West, the Lakers don’t have the trade pieces, Dallas is set, OKC has enough that they wouldn’t give up anything for Landry, Utah doesn’t have the trade pieces, and San Antonio only has a need if it determines that Landry > McDyess.
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No
But I will drink in the irony of you questioning someone else’s sobriety. What is your point?
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by section214 on Dec 18, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe he's playing a game where he can only ask questions?
What do you think?
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 19, 2010 7:07 AM PST up reply actions
Would you rather have silence, or a bad "yo momma" joke?
Because I have a feeling that’s what you would get if you asked for a comeback.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
I think NY would have a place for him
Don’t know though if they would be willing to give up assets with a Carmelo trade still looming
"You need to get real!"
I'd pursue Courtney Lee
For Landry. Throw Jefferies in for sure. But at least get Lee out of it if you can’t nab Brooks.
That third one would be a mindboggling trade
Just what we need: another crappy player.
"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."
Jeffries is expiring
You would be making that deal solely for the pick. I’m not sure how that boggled your mind – it’s pretty straight forward, really – In essence, it’s Landry for a protected 1st round pick.
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So you're thinking
Possibly a low lottery pick or pick in the teens at the very least?
"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."
I'd settle for that
Even the San Antonio deal – McDyess is really nothing for us, and the way San Antonio is playing, their pick could be at the end of the 1st round. And with the way we are playing, our 2nd round pick will come very soon after that. Maybe those picks could come in handy if/when we jump on some other team’s salary problems on the other side of the new CBA. Who knows? Not me, that’s for sure.
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I'd still like to see them
use Landry as he’s been used in the past as a low-pot beast. Those don;t grow on trees.
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by NewEraKings on Dec 19, 2010 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
I'd also like to see him grab a defensive rebound more often than Pooh Jeter
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by Aykis16 on Dec 21, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I'd like Teague, even if it cost a 2nd rounder
Now, at this point, you’ve effectively dealt Kevin Martin for Jeff Teague, so as a franchise you better have something tasty planned for all of that cap space, or the fanbase is going to revolt.
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Or Jeff Teague better end up being pretty darn good.
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I don't see Atlanta trading Jeff Teague
if they didn’t trade him for JT. Plus they aren’t going to want to pay Landry either. They already have Joe Johnson’s huge contract plus contracts to Josh Smith and Al Horford. Then theres also Mike Bibby’s 5 million and they have to worry about resigning Jamal Crawford.
Teague was supposed to be Bibby’s replacement anyways.
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It has nothing to do with paying Landry
It is purely a function of whether or not they think that he could be a difference maker this year. For this year, Landry > JT. I do agree that this deal would be a stretch on Atlanta’s part.
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I don't think Landry has played well enough to warrant Atlanta trading away Teague for him
"You need to get real!"
To be clear,
I don’t think that Atlanta makes that deal. That said, I don’t think that his play this year enters into it – I think that teams know who Carl Landry is and would likely write off his play to the fact that he is playing on a lousy team.
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Yeah, i think his impending unrestricted free agency is the biggest factor
There are a number of teams out there (Indy, NJ) who might be interested in bolstering their PF position but have no interest in giving up anything at this point because they could just sign him next year. The key, then, is finding a team that needs a Landry to take the next step in/into the playoffs, that would also want to keep him long term.
PHX was one team I had thought of, but then they just bolstered their front line with Gortat. Still, maybe could use a proper PF, and apparently they’re still shopping Childress…
Agree that Phoenix is a team that Landry would fit with
I think Nash would be able to get him the ball in scoring positions a little better than we have. I’m just not sure they would give up more than a pick for him, or that what they would be willing to give up is what we want. In any case, I’d rather have picks than more crappy players.
"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."
For Jeff Teague and $34 million
"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."
Well,
more like $26 million after you factor in Landry and Teague’s salaries (extending Teague notwithstanding), but point made.
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By himself I don't think Landry brings back much by himself because he's worth more than his relatively low salary
I think that Section has done a good job of looking at the top of the conferences and I don’t disagree with him. Most of the trades that happen in any given year aren’t predicted by the users of the internets. TheJust’s supposition is that Landry would be attractive to teams looking for one more piece to improve their team’s ability for the playoffs. Akis’s point about Landry returning to Huston is supported by a lot of rumors and I have little doubt that the Huston fans would love to have him back.
If I was going to look at teams that might might trade for Carl Landry (which I’m not) I would start looking at teams that are a) in the rebuilding process b) was expected to contend for the playoffs this season but are off to a slow start c) saddled with an expensive contract of a good player that is robbing the team of the financial flexibility needed to complete assembling their team of the future d) a team looking to make a salary dump by the trade deadline prior to the end of the season in order to prepare themselves for the new CBA.
I wouldn’t look for a trade that is one of equal value with Carl’s contract. My trade would look more like this: Carl Landry + (Kings player) + (Kings player) = larger vet contract or larger vet contract and pieces. The problem of including the end of the bench players is that their contracts aren’t very large. Possibly a team might be persuaded to take on Cisco with Carl and Pooh as sweeteners. Who those teams might be? I have no idea.
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by Bluejohn on Dec 18, 2010 10:42 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd
I disagree that a rebuilding team goes for him because he will be wanting a bigger paycheck. I was thinking that a team that is going to make the playoffs, but that doesn’t have the depth at PF to really compete would be the most interested.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
This makes me sad
His value has gone waaay down since this summer. Even some OKC fans seemed to think Landry for Jeff Green would have been acceptable. Now, we’re stuck with late 1st and Jared Jeffries? Unacceptable, but sadly there’s nothing we can do.
I agree this is extremely sad
We basicly gave away our former franchise player in the prime of his career for absolutely nothing. I don’t give a funk what the reasons were for trading Martin. You don’t just give away 20+ point scorers. If we get nothing of value out of this trade in the end Petrie should be fired. AND I HAVE NEVER EVER BEEN IN THE “FIRE PETRIE” GROUP. I’ve defended him on numerous occasions but there would be no excuse.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Dec 19, 2010 10:19 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Are you saying you've just killed a new horse?
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 19, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
The main 2 reasons for trading Martin were imo
1. Make the Kings Tyreke’s team. This was by far the most important reason to trade Martin for me and I think last year it worked out great and allowed Tyreke the freedom to be the man. Not quite as great so far this year, but I’m willing to write that off for now..
2. Cap space/higher draft picks. Having Martin on the team, we are paying a player in his prime who will no longer be in his prime when the rest of our young team enters theirs. Granted, we need to use that cap space (hopefully on a younger player) to make this worth it.
Distant 3. Carl Landry… hopefully to push JT (which I believe he has…JT has been playing really well recently) and also to make some noise in what was (when the trade was made) a very weak frontcourt.
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Forgot to mention
with #2, obviously Martin is going to help become more mediocre than bad (although certainly he isn’t pushing us into championship contention), so really he is hurting the long term goals of this franchise by not letting us be bad enough to get the draft picks we need.
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Orlando?
Section addressed Orlando earlier, but after their recent moves it sounds like Otis Smith really wants to shore up their front line. I think it’s because they don’t want Hedo playing the 4. (For what it’s worth, I think that’s a good call.) It seems like Landry would be a great fit for them because Howard defends the paint so well on his own and on offense, Landry has the flexibility to play inside or outside to stay out of Howard’s way and stretch the defense. He gives a very different look than Bass which always makes for good rotational options.
Of course, the question becomes “What could the Kings get out of it?” People here have praised Redick before and the Magic are said to be shopping him. He’s got a $19M/3yr contract though so not exactly a bargain (front loaded of 7M I believe, so it helps if it’s a later date.) His stats are awfully similar to Cisco, but remembering what I’ve seen in the past he seems more effective. Just a product of better support maybe?
Nelson is constantly mentioned as being on the block, but I don’t know what other options the Magic would have that is significantly better even with a 3rd team involved. I think he could be a good fit in Sac, especially since he expires after next season, but I don’t see it happening.
Maybe we get a “salary dump?” Francisco is really the only one we all look at as any kind of albatross (thanks to WaBeno’s emergence) but it’s really not that bad. Still, if he’s swapped with the slightly higher paid but 4-years younger Redick, maybe it would freshen things up. Thoughts?
rec'd, +1, FTW, This.
landry and a second round pick to boston
for
Luke Harongody and Nate Robinson
by blowin'boogers on Dec 20, 2010 12:34 AM PST reply actions
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